On 31/12/2017 14:22, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:40:13 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 31/12/2017 12:24, T i m wrote:

I repeat, can you please cite me the regulations that condemn the use
of such a sealant in the UK?

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/b...ct-2-contiseal

Cheers, T i m


Quote

Not designed to be driven when flat,

No!?!

under inflated

No!?!

or as a permanent
puncture repair.

"The Continental Premium Contact 2 ContiSeal is a run flat tyre,
designed for fitment on luxury and mid sized vehicles.@

Go figure ...

And as you say, how do you determine that (that you have had a
puncture ... and it's just them protecting their backs IMHO).

Or maybe whatever Continental use isn't as good as Punctureseal?

But let's see what they say:

https://blobs.continental-tires.com/...oad-1-data.pdf

"Upon discovering a puncture, a tyre specialist must promptly check
the tyre."

You can see it now ... you walk into any tyre fitters and say "Could
you check and see if any of my tyres have punctures please?" If they
actually walk out and maybe feel round your tyres, and find nothing
... what next, take them all off and put them in their water tank?

Do you do the same the next day?

It is your responsibility (as the driver) to ensure all your road
wheels and tyres are roadworthy at all times, including presumably,
any damage done to any tyre, irrespective if it has a puncture or not?

It is my suggestion that 'prevention is better than cure' and a tyre
with a slow puncture is potentially more dangerous than one with a
more obvious one (inside of a blowout etc).

Still waiting for the law on the subject, confirming your assertion
that the use of a sealant was / could be 'illegal'?

"Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long."

Maybe you (like many others) confabulate a 'Get you home' solution
with a pre-emptive / permanent one?

Cheers, T i m


You still need frequent inspections as you have no other mechanism to
check and to quote from the manufacturer..

"Punctureseal s warranty is for the tread area of the tyre only. The
tread area has sufficient rubber and plys for adequate flexing and
recovery. Sidewall construction is extremely thin, especially in radial
tyres. Punctureseal is capable of providing minor repairs to the
sidewall/crown areas. But due to vast variance in tyre manufacturing and
subsequent wounds that may severely damage the tyres structural
integrity, Punctureseal does not consider sidewall/crown repairs as
positive repairs."

So the manufacturer only thinks its OK for about 75% of the tread width.
I expect its also illegal on any car with TPM as it is likely to stop it
working as it seals the valve cores. I don't see any reference to TPMs
in the guide.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:25:41 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

snip

You still need frequent inspections as you have no other mechanism to
check

Yes, like I said, it's the drivers responsibility ...

and to quote from the manufacturer..

"Punctureseal s warranty is for the tread area of the tyre only.

Of course?

The
tread area has sufficient rubber and ply’s for adequate flexing and
recovery.

Yup.

Sidewall construction is extremely thin, especially in radial
tyres. Punctureseal is capable of providing minor repairs to the
sidewall/crown areas. But due to vast variance in tyre manufacturing and
subsequent wounds that may severely damage the tyres structural
integrity, Punctureseal does not consider sidewall/crown repairs as
positive repairs."

And hence why it doesn't generally work with such punctures? I can't
'fix' the tyre, it can only stop it leaking air whilst preventing
contamination of the inside of the hole, like most other repair
solutions?

So the manufacturer only thinks its OK for about 75% of the tread width.

That's right?

I expect its also illegal on any car with TPM as it is likely to stop it
working as it seals the valve cores.

Does it now? Where does it say it 'seals the valve cores' and why
would it? If you understood where the TPM's were located and how they
worked you would see that was highly unlikely.

.... or are you just looking for another strawman? ;-)

I don't see any reference to TPMs
in the guide.

Howabout in here, a test conducted at the Millbrook Testing Ground
using "Stack TPMS Sensors" ... ?

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf

I've also asked them by email previously (for someone else) and they
say they have had no issues using Punctureseal with TPMs.

Cheers, T i m

On 31/12/2017 16:42, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:25:41 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

snip

You still need frequent inspections as you have no other mechanism to
check

Yes, like I said, it's the drivers responsibility ...

and to quote from the manufacturer..

"Punctureseal s warranty is for the tread area of the tyre only.

Of course?

The
tread area has sufficient rubber and plys for adequate flexing and
recovery.

Yup.

Sidewall construction is extremely thin, especially in radial
tyres. Punctureseal is capable of providing minor repairs to the
sidewall/crown areas. But due to vast variance in tyre manufacturing and
subsequent wounds that may severely damage the tyres structural
integrity, Punctureseal does not consider sidewall/crown repairs as
positive repairs."

And hence why it doesn't generally work with such punctures? I can't
'fix' the tyre, it can only stop it leaking air whilst preventing
contamination of the inside of the hole, like most other repair
solutions?

So the manufacturer only thinks its OK for about 75% of the tread width.

That's right?

I expect its also illegal on any car with TPM as it is likely to stop it
working as it seals the valve cores.

Does it now? Where does it say it 'seals the valve cores' and why
would it? If you understood where the TPM's were located and how they
worked you would see that was highly unlikely.


From the manufacturer..
"Once a tyre has been treated with Punctureseal, frequent air pressure
checks will not be necessary, although visual tyre inspections are still
very important. Air pressure checks can be accomplished during the
routine vehicle Preventative Maintenance (PM) schedules. In order to
check air pressure, remember that Punctureseal is standing on guard to
prevent air loss. If you check air pressure without first blowing a
slight amount of air into the valve, Punctureseal will most likely seal
off the valve core. It is important to clear the valve core and stem of
any Punctureseal prior to checking air pressure. This is accomplished
by simply blowing a small amount of air through the valve and into the
tyre, this will clear the passage and allow for proper air pressure
reading. Puctureseal will not ruin the valve core. If the core gets
clogged, remove and rinse with water and reinstall (see installation tips)."


... or are you just looking for another strawman? ;-)

I just read the technical guide and it doesn't look very good IMO.
(Unless you are driving a military vehicle and you want to plug bullet
holes for a few hours.)



I don't see any reference to TPMs
in the guide.

Howabout in here, a test conducted at the Millbrook Testing Ground
using "Stack TPMS Sensors" ... ?

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf

And where did they actually check the TPMs was actually working?
They just used it instead of putting a stick guage on the valve AFAICS.


I've also asked them by email previously (for someone else) and they
say they have had no issues using Punctureseal with TPMs.


Well them not having a problem with TPMs isn't the same as TPMs having a
problem with punctureseal.

Now if you have any TPMs manufacturer saying that its not going to be a
problem that would be different.

Cheers, T i m

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 30/12/2017 18:37, TheChief wrote:


Many thanks for all the useful comment guys.

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Phil


Just about every car new i have looked at in the last three months has the
option of a spare. Vauxhall charge £95, ford £105, IIRC.

Most drivers don't opt for one as they don't know how to change the wheel
in the first place.

I dont believe that. Most dont stop
and think how much better a spare is.

They just call the AA/RAC/GF and let them sort it.

I bet that thats a lie on the most.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 31/12/2017 00:06, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:34:28 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 30/12/2017 17:49, T i m wrote:

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m



How often do you check the tyres to see if the punctureseal has sealed a
hole?

Only if I have the wheel off for some other reason?

Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long.

Can you cite any proof of that assertion?

Are you suggesting that Continental tyres with the ContiSeal
technology are illegal for use in this country?

I feel that doing a visual inspection of all of each tyre daily is a bit
of a problem especially when dirt might hide the gunk.

Quite.

OOI, do you do a daily inspection of your tyres to see if they have
picked up something that might cause a puncture, or have already
punctured your tyres?

Or, assuming you don't have tyre pressure sensors, could you drive
some distance at some speed with a slowly deflating tyre and hope that
you 'notice' the tyre is soft before it explodes?

I have sensors.
they are now compulsory on new cars, the EU saw to that.
Another reason to stay/comply with the regs.


When you get a puncture repaired traditionally (plug / mushroom), how
much of the fabric (plys etc) of the tyre is inspected (within the
hole) to ensure no damage has been done?

Modern tyres don't need much inspection, long gone are the days where any
damage to the cords required a new tyre.
(And to the days of tyre repair operators prodding at the hole with a
screwdriver until they broke the cords and you needed a new tyre.)

Damage to the side wall is non repairable as is anything close to the edge
of the tread as they flex too much and there is no reliable repair not
even punctureseal.


This link gives an idea of what can be repaired..

https://www.blackcircles.com/general/repair

As you can see any repair outside the area is not legal so if you get a
puncture outside the area that puncturseal "fixes" you still can't drive
on it without it failing a roadside or MOT check.

So you need to check frequently to know you aren't breaking the law

Nope, because that type of damage is so uncommon now.

as you have no other way of knowing if it doesn't leak.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 30/12/2017 18:49, TheChief wrote:
F news@nowhere Wrote in message:
On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move
too.

--
F


Yes we both have breakdown assistance via insurance.

Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.


It probably hasn't made any difference as most people can't change their
wheels anyway.

Cite.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 17:58:10 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

snip
I expect its also illegal on any car with TPM as it is likely to stop it
working as it seals the valve cores.

Does it now? Where does it say it 'seals the valve cores' and why
would it? If you understood where the TPM's were located and how they
worked you would see that was highly unlikely.


From the manufacturer..
"Once a tyre has been treated with Punctureseal, frequent air pressure
checks will not be necessary, although visual tyre inspections are still
very important. Air pressure checks can be accomplished during the
routine vehicle Preventative Maintenance (PM) schedules. In order to
check air pressure, remember that Punctureseal is standing on guard to
prevent air loss. If you check air pressure without first blowing a
slight amount of air into the valve, Punctureseal will most likely seal
off the valve core.

Hmm. 1) I can't see how it would, given there would not be any
anywhere near the back of the valve, given that it has all been thrown
to the outside of the tyre and 2) it has never been an issue for me in
all the years I've been using it.

I wonder if that warning only relates to a fresh installation or where
the installer has do so using their pressure insertion tool (where the
Punctureseal is installed with the tyre at full pressure)?

any Punctureseal prior to checking air pressure. This is accomplished
by simply blowing a small amount of air through the valve and into the
tyre, this will clear the passage and allow for proper air pressure
reading.

Never to go near the back of the valve (in the rim, not the tyre)
again?

Puctureseal will not ruin the valve core. If the core gets
clogged, remove and rinse with water and reinstall (see installation tips)."

Bizarre. I'll have to drop them a line.


... or are you just looking for another strawman? ;-)

I just read the technical guide and it doesn't look very good IMO.

Because?

(Unless you are driving a military vehicle and you want to plug bullet
holes for a few hours.)

;-)



I don't see any reference to TPMs
in the guide.

Howabout in here, a test conducted at the Millbrook Testing Ground
using "Stack TPMS Sensors" ... ?

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf

And where did they actually check the TPMs was actually working?

All the time presumably?

They just used it instead of putting a stick guage on the valve AFAICS.

shrug


I've also asked them by email previously (for someone else) and they
say they have had no issues using Punctureseal with TPMs.


Well them not having a problem with TPMs isn't the same as TPMs having a
problem with punctureseal.

Only by your bizarre interpretation.

Now if you have any TPMs manufacturer saying that its not going to be a
problem that would be different.

See, if you understood how the sealant worked you might then
understand how it's unlikely to be an issue with such things.

How I install it.

Jack up a wheel, remove the valve core and position the valve near the
bottom. Inject the right quantity of sealant that flows out of the
back of the valve and straight into the tyre. I run some kitchen towel
though the valve stem to remove any sealant, re fit the valve core and
re inflate. At this point the sealant is only in a pool in the tyre
and at the bottom. I repeat with the other 3 wheels.

Once complete I drive away and nearly instantly the sealant is
dispersed around the inside of the tyre. You are supposed to give it a
run of about 20 mins so we would normally do such just before going
somewhere at least 20 mins away.

The sealant then stays just inside the tyre, never going anywhere near
the valve or rim. I have taken several treated tyres off the rims once
they were worn out and there was no trace of sealant anywhere else
other than inside the main tread area of the tyre. shrug

Look at the picture of the ConiSeal tyre, how could that get anywhere
near the valve or TPMS?

You are still looking for strawmen, I'm telling you how it works ITRW.

But hey, you are welcome not to use it ... I'll wave as I drive past
(maybe I won't if you are upside down with a windscreen wiper going
through your head). ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:47:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I have no experience and have had no punctures in 9 years such that I
couldn't get to a tyre repair shop.

At work we had several a year and they nearly always wrote the tyre
off.

I got a steel wheel and tyre as a spare and keep it and the gunk plus
inflator, on the grounds if the gunk doesn't work the breakdown
service will have a jack and wheel nut socket as there is no way my
wife or daughters would attempt to change a wheel. If I am nearby I
can take a jack to them.

AJH

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Undoing the bolts may or not be a problem - but you can always stand on
the brace if not strong enough.
Position the brace carefully and lift up the end with the jack thus
using the vehicle weight to turn the nut.
But getting a wheel off the centre can be
a right pain. As can fitting the spare. For someone not used to doing
this. And larger vehicles can have very heavy wheels.


--
bert

Jethro_uk wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed
home.

Do they charge, if the car didn't have a spare ?

Last time I saw the T&Cs they were very clear that the customer had to
pay for any towing caused by (a) failure to carry a serviceable spare
wheel; or (b) running out of fuel.

When my tyre shredded itself on the M1, Honda arranged the recovery Foc
(included in their warranty, provided you had it serviced at main dealer
IIRC)

I probably had the choice of being recovered back to home, but chose to
have it taken to the nearest tyre merchant that had a replacement in stock.

On 02/01/18 13:21, Jethro_uk wrote:
When I worked in the motor trade, I was amazed at the number of customers
who managed to get their car recovered back to their house rather than
straight to us.

Bless!

That way they are not at your mercy on costs.

This was long after the AA started relay, where they'd
get you to your destination, and your car to the garage of your choice.

Yebbut you need to decide which is the garage of choice before you get
the car there.

--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest


--
No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.

On 02/01/2018 15:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:00:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest

*Shrug*

30 years in business with a total advertising budget of £0. Total word of
mouth.

I've *fixed* dishonest mistakes ... like the cylinder head gasket put on
upside down which blocked the oil channel and wore the cam carrier to
paper.


There are good garages around, I've found a couple- which I use for jobs
I no longer want to/feel able to tackle.

I'm wary of main dealers- I prefer to use a small garage. The two
garages I prefer to use I've got the know the people over the years- one
was a neighbour. I've never had a bad experience or heard of anyone
having one at either place.

In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
On 02/01/2018 15:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:00:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest

*Shrug*

30 years in business with a total advertising budget of £0. Total word of
mouth.

I've *fixed* dishonest mistakes ... like the cylinder head gasket put on
upside down which blocked the oil channel and wore the cam carrier to
paper.


There are good garages around, I've found a couple- which I use for jobs
I no longer want to/feel able to tackle.

I'm wary of main dealers- I prefer to use a small garage. The two
garages I prefer to use I've got the know the people over the years- one
was a neighbour. I've never had a bad experience or heard of anyone
having one at either place.

In the 60s. I did my own maaintenance, but I chickened out of the universal
joints on the prop shaft. I asked at one local garage and was told - "we
can't do that we don't have the right tools." Other might have just bodged
it.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 02/01/18 16:22, charles wrote:
In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
On 02/01/2018 15:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:00:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest

*Shrug*

30 years in business with a total advertising budget of £0. Total word of
mouth.

I've *fixed* dishonest mistakes ... like the cylinder head gasket put on
upside down which blocked the oil channel and wore the cam carrier to
paper.


There are good garages around, I've found a couple- which I use for jobs
I no longer want to/feel able to tackle.

I'm wary of main dealers- I prefer to use a small garage. The two
garages I prefer to use I've got the know the people over the years- one
was a neighbour. I've never had a bad experience or heard of anyone
having one at either place.

In the 60s. I did my own maaintenance, but I chickened out of the universal
joints on the prop shaft. I asked at one local garage and was told - "we
can't do that we don't have the right tools." Other might have just bodged
it.

extraoprdinary. we used to do those with a pair of sockets and a bench vice


--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:21:11 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed
home.

Do they charge, if the car didn't have a spare ?

Last time I saw the T&Cs they were very clear that the
customer had to pay for any towing caused by (a) failure
to carry a serviceable spare wheel; or (b) running out of fuel.

Why would it need to be towed if it ran out of fuel ?

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
On 02/01/2018 15:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:00:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest

*Shrug*

30 years in business with a total advertising budget of £0. Total word
of
mouth.

I've *fixed* dishonest mistakes ... like the cylinder head gasket put
on
upside down which blocked the oil channel and wore the cam carrier to
paper.


There are good garages around, I've found a couple- which I use for jobs
I no longer want to/feel able to tackle.

I'm wary of main dealers- I prefer to use a small garage. The two
garages I prefer to use I've got the know the people over the years- one
was a neighbour. I've never had a bad experience or heard of anyone
having one at either place.

In the 60s. I did my own maaintenance, but I chickened out of the
universal
joints on the prop shaft. I asked at one local garage and was told - "we
can't do that we don't have the right tools." Other might have just bodged
it.

Yeah, when I had to replace a front wheel bearing in a VW beetle,
the book said to use a special tool. So I asked the local VW dealer
for a lend of one after I got the replacement bearing from them.
He told me they just bash it off. Worked quite adequately.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 02/01/18 16:22, charles wrote:
In article , Brian Reay wrote:
On 02/01/2018 15:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:00:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest

*Shrug*

30 years in business with a total advertising budget of £0. Total
word of mouth.

I've *fixed* dishonest mistakes ... like the cylinder head gasket put
on upside down which blocked the oil channel and wore the cam carrier
to paper.


There are good garages around, I've found a couple- which I use for
jobs I no longer want to/feel able to tackle.

I'm wary of main dealers- I prefer to use a small garage. The two
garages I prefer to use I've got the know the people over the years-
one was a neighbour. I've never had a bad experience or heard of
anyone having one at either place.

In the 60s. I did my own maaintenance, but I chickened out of the
universal joints on the prop shaft. I asked at one local garage and was
told - "we can't do that we don't have the right tools." Other might
have just bodged it.

extraoprdinary. we used to do those with a pair of sockets and a bench
vice

You're right - it wasn't the UJs, I did do those myslef., It was something
more complex to do with the diff. Perhaps replacing the halfshaft oil seals
It certainly needed specialised tools.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 20:43:28 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

snip

You're right - it wasn't the UJs, I did do those myslef.

So did I, when I shortened the prop shaft 10" when we built the
kitcar. I only did it by hand the best I could and really only to get
it though the first MOT but it ended up staying on there around 5000
miles. ;-)

It was something
more complex to do with the diff.

Shimming?

Perhaps replacing the halfshaft oil seals
It certainly needed specialised tools.

I'm not sure if the halfshaft seals would need a particularly
specialised tool (mine didn't) but when I changed the input flange I
had to (as supposed to) use a 'crushable spacer' that you tighten the
flange nut down onto to give the right backlash (or some other
clearance).

My mate has run his own garage for 35 years or more and as others have
mentioned, he too has built up a good collection of Frankenstein tools
to deal with special occasions (before / if they weren't available
commercially).

He often quizzes me as to what I think they are for and I sometimes
get it right. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
T i m wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 20:43:28 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

snip

You're right - it wasn't the UJs, I did do those myslef.

So did I, when I shortened the prop shaft 10" when we built the
kitcar. I only did it by hand the best I could and really only to get
it though the first MOT but it ended up staying on there around 5000
miles. ;-)

It was something
more complex to do with the diff.

Shimming?

Perhaps replacing the halfshaft oil seals
It certainly needed specialised tools.

I'm not sure if the halfshaft seals would need a particularly
specialised tool (mine didn't) but when I changed the input flange I
had to (as supposed to) use a 'crushable spacer' that you tighten the
flange nut down onto to give the right backlash (or some other
clearance).

My mate has run his own garage for 35 years or more and as others have
mentioned, he too has built up a good collection of Frankenstein tools
to deal with special occasions (before / if they weren't available
commercially).

I sold the aforementioned car in 1984 - That's about the time your mate
started his business. Perhapsm he bought mine to experiment on ;-)

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In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 14:27:31 +0000, bert wrote:

Undoing the bolts may or not be a problem - but you can always stand on
the brace if not strong enough.
Position the brace carefully and lift up the end with the jack thus
using the vehicle weight to turn the nut.

When jacks were the old long "L" type, they had a hole in one end to slip
over the wheelbrace. (For some reason no one knew this)

Then scissor jacks came in. I have no idea how you were supposed to
loosen wheel nuts then.

I once managed to loosen the wheel nuts on a stranded Renault by placing
the brace against the kerb and getting the driver to move the car along
and use its weight.

Lidl once in a while do a telescopic wheel brace. Collapsed, about the
same length as a normal one so may well fit the tool kit. And about twice
the leverage when fully extended. Very well made, too. Comes with the
standard 1/2" drive and with a reversible socket with the two common
sizes. Or can use your own socket.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
When I worked in the motor trade, I was amazed at the number of customers
who managed to get their car recovered back to their house rather than
straight to us. This was long after the AA started relay, where they'd
get you to your destination, and your car to the garage of your choice.

Last time I used them, they insisted on taking the car to a local garage.
Water pump had disintegrated, and the chances of that garage having one in
stock remote. And of course they didn't. So had to wait for a second
recovery vehicle to take us and car home. Because of this delay, to late
to get the car to my local garage of choice.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:09:39 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Last time I used them, they insisted on taking the car to a local
garage. Water pump had disintegrated, and the chances of that garage
having one in stock remote. And of course they didn't.

Who carries stock these days ?

A main dealer with a spares department?


Almost all non-consumables seem to need
ordering. Sometimes within the day (even 20 years ago, in London there
were auto factors that could deliver an order before midday in the PM).

The enormous price savings from a few hours delay make JIT a modern
miracle. We'll miss it when it's gone.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Even if she can't, as long as she could get a passerby to help, she
wouldn't be stranded.

Last April my wife, myself and our eldest son attended a family funeral
on the West Coast of Ireland. We flew to Belfast and hired a car. It
turned out that it was brand new and didn't have a spare.

Following the after-funeral meal, we decided to nip back to the cemetary
for a quick visit, but when having to swerve to avoid an oncoming car
that had overcorrected after giving a learner extra space, we suffered a
gashed tyre on the rough edge of the road.

We never got to the cemetary, spent two hours waiting for a recovery
truck, were taken back to the house we were staying in, but were
stranded there with no transport until the car was returned to us at
11:30 the following morning - just in time to set off back to the airport.

We lost the visit to the cemetary, the rest of the evening, all of the
following morning, £45 recovery fee and £180 for the tyre (that I could
have got at a local garage for half the price, if I had the mobility) -
and all for the sake of not having a spare that I could have changed in
less than 10 minutes.

SteveW

T i m Wrote in message:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:59:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

snip

[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf


Feck you nearly got to the end without mentioning spunkyseal again...


Erm, did you note the topic of this thread:

"Comments on Spare Wheel Alternatives".

I really can't think of a better place to discuss tyre sealants that
that!

And also I'd imagine you (with yer short attention span and yer
Twitter lifestyle) might need a specific product recommendation
signposted a few times to help you understand they aren't all created
equal?

We have already had the 'You can't clean the sealants out of the tyres
so they can't then be repaired professionally' when (at least one that
I have looked at so far) main makers states that's not true.

So, to stop these urban myths getting incorrectly repeated, we have to
make sure even the slowest person 'get's it'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m


As overly verbose & vengeful as usual Timothy ;-)

Is there a "Tim-unfriendly" character limit on ****ter posts then?
Icgaf ;-)

You forgot to plug (geddit?) spunkyseal again! Doh! :-)

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On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:41:41 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

T i m Wrote in message:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:59:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

snip

[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf


Feck you nearly got to the end without mentioning spunkyseal again...


Erm, did you note the topic of this thread:

"Comments on Spare Wheel Alternatives".

I really can't think of a better place to discuss tyre sealants that
that!

And also I'd imagine you (with yer short attention span and yer
Twitter lifestyle) might need a specific product recommendation
signposted a few times to help you understand they aren't all created
equal?

We have already had the 'You can't clean the sealants out of the tyres
so they can't then be repaired professionally' when (at least one that
I have looked at so far) main makers states that's not true.

So, to stop these urban myths getting incorrectly repeated, we have to
make sure even the slowest person 'get's it'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m


As overly verbose

Like I said, this isn't ****ter but a discussion group Jimmy.

& vengeful as usual Timothy ;-)

Glad I didn't disappoint. ;-)

Is there a "Tim-unfriendly" character limit on ****ter posts then?

Pass, never ever used it but I understand it's recently become a bit
more 'discussion friendly'.

Icgaf ;-)

Me neither.

You forgot to plug (geddit?)

Oh how we laughed, I thought I would never start.

spunkyseal again! Doh! :-)

It's good stuff. There are only a few things that would go straight
out and buy if I ever lost / used them up. One would be my Leatherman
PST II multitool, another would be my Garmin GPS(s) (even with my
phone GPSs) and the last would be that particular tyre sealant I like.
The bottom line on that is a (for me even) a puncture can range from a
mild inconvenience (you (I) notice it when you go to your car at home
and when you aren't in a rush to really ruining your day (slow
puncture becoming a blowout on a busy motorway, in the rain, at night,
especially for my wife or daughter), and if I can reduce the instance
of any, then I will. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:04:12 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

snip

Lidl once in a while do a telescopic wheel brace. Collapsed, about the
same length as a normal one so may well fit the tool kit. And about twice
the leverage when fully extended. Very well made, too. Comes with the
standard 1/2" drive and with a reversible socket with the two common
sizes. Or can use your own socket.

All of our vehicles have either one or those or a (folding) spider.

A lady neighbour asked me for help removing a wheel bolt from her car
and whist I knew her to be no shrinking violet, I wasn't how strong
she was so first just tried with the std brace that she had been using
(even with the supplied extension / handle). I couldn't budge it so
got my spider on it and again, nothing. Then I put a length of steel
tube on it (old motorcycle fork tube) and only as it was just about to
bend the spider did it come undone. Had it not let go at that point I
would have got her to 'shock' the nut / spider as I was putting the
torque on it.

The extending wheel brace 'might' have done it (without jumping or
driving on it etc).

Cheers, T i m

T i m Wrote in message:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:41:41 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

T i m Wrote in message:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 12:59:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00), jim k wrote:

snip

[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf


Feck you nearly got to the end without mentioning spunkyseal again...


Erm, did you note the topic of this thread:

"Comments on Spare Wheel Alternatives".

I really can't think of a better place to discuss tyre sealants that
that!

And also I'd imagine you (with yer short attention span and yer
Twitter lifestyle) might need a specific product recommendation
signposted a few times to help you understand they aren't all created
equal?

We have already had the 'You can't clean the sealants out of the tyres
so they can't then be repaired professionally' when (at least one that
I have looked at so far) main makers states that's not true.

So, to stop these urban myths getting incorrectly repeated, we have to
make sure even the slowest person 'get's it'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m


As overly verbose

Like I said, this isn't ****ter but a discussion group Jimmy.

& vengeful as usual Timothy ;-)

Glad I didn't disappoint. ;-)

Is there a "Tim-unfriendly" character limit on ****ter posts then?

Pass, never ever used it but I understand it's recently become a bit
more 'discussion friendly'.

Icgaf ;-)

Me neither.

You forgot to plug (geddit?)

Oh how we laughed, I thought I would never start.

spunkyseal again! Doh! :-)

It's good stuff. There are only a few things that would go straight
out and buy if I ever lost / used them up. One would be my Leatherman
PST II multitool, another would be my Garmin GPS(s) (even with my
phone GPSs) and the last would be that particular tyre sealant I like.
The bottom line on that is a (for me even) a puncture can range from a
mild inconvenience (you (I) notice it when you go to your car at home
and when you aren't in a rush to really ruining your day (slow
puncture becoming a blowout on a busy motorway, in the rain, at night,
especially for my wife or daughter), and if I can reduce the instance
of any, then I will. ;-)

Cheers, T i m




Good man keep it up....
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