Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Thanks

Phil


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TheChief wrote:

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model. This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk. Does anyone
have experience of using this type of thing?
My previous car came with the compressor+gunk, the former was handy to
have, but it wasn't even worth considering using the latter the time I
needed a proper spare, had to be recovered off the motorway, and made
sure the next car at least had a space-saver, will never have gunk again.

On 30/12/17 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Thanks

Phil

I'd but a spare wheel. There are companies which supply 'space saver'
ones if you don't have space for a 'proper' one.

We've bought several, well a 'proper' one several years back and a
couple of space savers more recently. We used the proper one, once.
Touch wood, as they say, not yet needed the other two.

The idea of being stuck with a type the 'gunk' can't fix or writing off
a tyre because I've used 'gunk' and the tyre place doesn't like it just
doesn't appeal. Plus one of the cars is used in Europe- we tow it one a
trailer behind a motorhome. The idea of being stuck in France/Germany
etc with a duff tyre doesn't appeal.

I've looked at some 'plug' things but I not convinced they are legal or
safe. I know they were around in the earlier days of tubeless tyres but
understood they were banned. I now see they are sold on Ebay and there
are various details on YouTube. I'm not convinced.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:10:08 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:

snip

The idea of being stuck with a type the 'gunk' can't fix or writing off
a tyre because I've used 'gunk' and the tyre place doesn't like it just
doesn't appeal.

snip

But as with all these things, not all 'gunks' are created equal Brian.
;-(

For example, I gave half a container of Punctureseal to a mate to
retrospectively fix a puncture in one of his motorcycle tyres (which
it did) and so the felt he should replace it but without realising it,
got the wrong (similar sounding / looking) thing. I just assumed it
was a re-vamp of the same product and after a while, used it to help
our daughters BF out (and retrospectively) on the rear tyre of his
motorcyle. Long / short, after applying way over the right quantity of
said sealant to the tyre over a few goes, it didn't reliably fix it.
;-(

I have use Punctureseal retrospectively on 5 vehicles now and it has
resolved the puncture in all cases for the full life of the tyre.

So, unlike you, I personally wouldn't feel safe going out *without*
having this particular 'gunk' in my vehicles and the Meriva is still
running fine after treating one tyre (retrospectively) for a puncture
some time back now (I did the other tyres while I was at it). ;-)

Oh, and no tyre place has ever batted an eye when they have removed a
treated tyre and seen the 'gunk'. A possible reason being I wasn't
taking it there to fix a puncture (I've not had one so far with a
treated tyre touch wood) and if I had been for some reason, the
stuff just washes out with a hose on in the sink. shrug

So, I'm not talking about all 'gunks' here, I'm specifically and only
talking about Punctureseal. At a lower level I have also used the
product called 'Slime' on cycle tyres and that also seems to work ok
and I'm sure others will be able to bring their positive experiences
with other products.

Cheers, T i m

http://www.punctureseal.com/motorhomes.html

Well not exactly good names for products though, are they? Is this some kind
of reverse snobbery on the tyre front?
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 15:10:08 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:

snip

The idea of being stuck with a type the 'gunk' can't fix or writing off
a tyre because I've used 'gunk' and the tyre place doesn't like it just
doesn't appeal.

snip

But as with all these things, not all 'gunks' are created equal Brian.
;-(

For example, I gave half a container of Punctureseal to a mate to
retrospectively fix a puncture in one of his motorcycle tyres (which
it did) and so the felt he should replace it but without realising it,
got the wrong (similar sounding / looking) thing. I just assumed it
was a re-vamp of the same product and after a while, used it to help
our daughters BF out (and retrospectively) on the rear tyre of his
motorcyle. Long / short, after applying way over the right quantity of
said sealant to the tyre over a few goes, it didn't reliably fix it.
;-(

I have use Punctureseal retrospectively on 5 vehicles now and it has
resolved the puncture in all cases for the full life of the tyre.

So, unlike you, I personally wouldn't feel safe going out *without*
having this particular 'gunk' in my vehicles and the Meriva is still
running fine after treating one tyre (retrospectively) for a puncture
some time back now (I did the other tyres while I was at it). ;-)

Oh, and no tyre place has ever batted an eye when they have removed a
treated tyre and seen the 'gunk'. A possible reason being I wasn't
taking it there to fix a puncture (I've not had one so far with a
treated tyre touch wood) and if I had been for some reason, the
stuff just washes out with a hose on in the sink. shrug

So, I'm not talking about all 'gunks' here, I'm specifically and only
talking about Punctureseal. At a lower level I have also used the
product called 'Slime' on cycle tyres and that also seems to work ok
and I'm sure others will be able to bring their positive experiences
with other products.

Cheers, T i m

http://www.punctureseal.com/motorhomes.html

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:21:22 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well not exactly good names for products though, are they?

Are you talking about Gunge and Slime Brian? If so I think 'Gunge' is
just a generic term people tend to use for such things and 'Slime' is
a fairly accurate description for what it is, it may also be
considered 'hip' in the cycling world?

Is this some kind
of reverse snobbery on the tyre front?

I don't think so, I just think it's one of those things. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:47:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I would say 'badly' and for good reason (you wouldn't want to travel
*any* distance on a damaged tyre).

That said, I saw someone stab a fairly large pocket knife blade into a
motorcycle tyre (at a motorcycle show / demonstration g) and whilst
I'm pretty sure it wasn't part of the demo, the sealant held air
pressure ok (Punctureseal) but that wasn't one of the 'get you home'
foams, this was something you pre-treat the tyres with.

http://www.punctureseal.com/car.html

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Partly for the reason you state above ... and simply because none of
us want to get caught out with a small puncture that slowly turns in a
deflated tyre and a blowout (especially on our trailers etc) or being
on a busy road at night and in the rain (punctures rarely happen at
any other times), all our vehicles are treated with Punctureseal.

Whilst we have never had a puncture (that we know of g) since
running with Punctureseal, I have used it retrospectively (not really
how it was designed to work) at least 5 times now and with 100%
success (2 x motorbike and 3 x car).

If the concept is good enough for Continental tyres ...

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/...main/contiseal


Please don't confuse Punctureseal with any other products (even with a
similar name) and especially the latex foams that are supposed to get
you home (that may or may not work, I've never used them personally).

Oh, and because Punctureseal is water soluble (when not cured etc) it
*can* be easily washed out of a tyre (I've done so on one that had
been filled for 7 years), not that you should ever need to. I've also
transferred some over between tyres, again, not 'recommended' as such
but not against it's practical use either.

The stuff isn't 'cheap' as such (~£7/ tyre I think we calculated last
time), but the insurance often isn't, but it's the peace of mind you
might enjoy, especially for those less equipped / able to change a
wheel safely and un-assisted (and of course the price goes down if you
buy larger quantities). I bet few would question even 50 quid / car /
set of tyres if it even stopped you having to change one spare wheel
or get one puncture repaired, especially when it could be dangerous to
do so (motorway / dual carriageway etc), or simply inconvinient.

There isn't really anything that would (should) protect against a
badly damaged tyre and I think only runflats sound be expected to even
get close (and then should be replaced in any case and can still get
punctures of course).

Cheers, T i m

p.s. No connection, just very happy and long term user. YMMV. ;-)

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:47:04 UTC, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

It won't fix any kind of gash, even a small one.
Only does nail holes etc.
Works good on nail holes.

The good news is, after you've used it, they won't repair the puncture, you have to buy a new tyre.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 08:43:33 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

snip

It won't fix any kind of gash, even a small one.
Only does nail holes etc.
Works good on nail holes.

(Punctureseal) Works very well on nail holes, even if they are fairly
big ones (up to 6mm diameter I believe).

The good news is, after you've used it, they won't repair the puncture, you have to buy a new tyre.

And the advantage of stuff like Punctureseal, they *will* repair the
tyre (if you felt the need). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 08:43:33 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:47:04 UTC, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

It won't fix any kind of gash, even a small one.
Only does nail holes etc.
Works good on nail holes.

The good news is, after you've used it, they won't repair the puncture, you have to buy a new tyre.

Depending on what 'it' is maybe?

https://www.holtsauto.com/holts/products/tyreweld/

“Unlike some of our competitors, Holts Tyreweld does not damage your
tyres. After using Tyreweld, the puncture can be repaired according to
the British standard BS AU159:f.”

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
TheChief wrote:
We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed home.

Other thing I've been told is that if you use that gunk, a simple puncture
can't be properly repaired. But dunno for sure.

I've got the same problem here. But my car has little room for a spare, so
perhaps more justified.

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:21:11 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
TheChief wrote:
We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed home.

Towed ... on a dolly I assume? ;-)

Other thing I've been told is that if you use that gunk, a simple puncture
can't be properly repaired. But dunno for sure.

I'm not sure about 'that gunk' either, and why I wouldn't bother with
it.

I've got the same problem here.

With tyres that price even an extra tenner per corner (assuming they
are biggish) for protection against the most basic of puncture might
be worth the peace of mind (let alone the cost of damaging a tyre
because you ran it soft)?

But my car has little room for a spare, so
perhaps more justified.

I guess it's one of those things you / some need to experience before
they 'get it'. I have used it (Punctureseal) enough to know how / that
does work and only when it should.

e.g. Daughter clipped a sharp sticking-out paving stone whilst
avoiding someone who should have given way and it bit a 5p sized hole
out of the sidewall of her nearly new van tyre (isn't it always the
way). ;-(

The Punctureseal didn't try to fix that because none of it was inside
the sidewall. However, we were able to recover the Punctureseal from
the nearly new tyre and put it in the spare (and washed the remains
out of the damaged tyre to show that we could). ;-)

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m

On 30/12/2017 17:49, T i m wrote:

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m



How often do you check the tyres to see if the punctureseal has sealed a
hole?
Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long.

I feel that doing a visual inspection of all of each tyre daily is a bit
of a problem especially when dirt might hide the gunk.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:34:28 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 30/12/2017 17:49, T i m wrote:

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m



How often do you check the tyres to see if the punctureseal has sealed a
hole?

Only if I have the wheel off for some other reason?

Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long.

Can you cite any proof of that assertion?

Are you suggesting that Continental tyres with the ContiSeal
technology are illegal for use in this country?

I feel that doing a visual inspection of all of each tyre daily is a bit
of a problem especially when dirt might hide the gunk.

Quite.

OOI, do you do a daily inspection of your tyres to see if they have
picked up something that might cause a puncture, or have already
punctured your tyres?

Or, assuming you don't have tyre pressure sensors, could you drive
some distance at some speed with a slowly deflating tyre and hope that
you 'notice' the tyre is soft before it explodes?

When you get a puncture repaired traditionally (plug / mushroom), how
much of the fabric (plys etc) of the tyre is inspected (within the
hole) to ensure no damage has been done?

Cheers, T i m

On 31/12/2017 00:06, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:34:28 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 30/12/2017 17:49, T i m wrote:

Apart from protecting from punctures by instantly fixing the leak it's
also supposed to reduce the risk of damage by allowing the object to
be ejected sooner (or at all) because of the sealant going out past
the object, lubricating it and allowing it to be thrown out due to
centripetal force.

Cheers, T i m



How often do you check the tyres to see if the punctureseal has sealed a
hole?

Only if I have the wheel off for some other reason?

Its not an approved method of repair AFAIK so it makes it illegal to
drive on the tyre or at least not for long.

Can you cite any proof of that assertion?

Are you suggesting that Continental tyres with the ContiSeal
technology are illegal for use in this country?

I feel that doing a visual inspection of all of each tyre daily is a bit
of a problem especially when dirt might hide the gunk.

Quite.

OOI, do you do a daily inspection of your tyres to see if they have
picked up something that might cause a puncture, or have already
punctured your tyres?

Or, assuming you don't have tyre pressure sensors, could you drive
some distance at some speed with a slowly deflating tyre and hope that
you 'notice' the tyre is soft before it explodes?

I have sensors.
they are now compulsory on new cars, the EU saw to that.
Another reason to stay/comply with the regs.


When you get a puncture repaired traditionally (plug / mushroom), how
much of the fabric (plys etc) of the tyre is inspected (within the
hole) to ensure no damage has been done?

Modern tyres don't need much inspection, long gone are the days where
any damage to the cords required a new tyre.
(And to the days of tyre repair operators prodding at the hole with a
screwdriver until they broke the cords and you needed a new tyre.)

Damage to the side wall is non repairable as is anything close to the
edge of the tread as they flex too much and there is no reliable repair
not even punctureseal.


This link gives an idea of what can be repaired..

https://www.blackcircles.com/general/repair

As you can see any repair outside the area is not legal so if you get a
puncture outside the area that puncturseal "fixes" you still can't drive
on it without it failing a roadside or MOT check.
So you need to check frequently to know you aren't breaking the law as
you have no other way of knowing if it doesn't leak.

Jethro_uk wrote:

Dave Plowman wrote:

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed
home.

Do they charge, if the car didn't have a spare ?

Last time I saw the T&Cs they were very clear that the customer had to
pay for any towing caused by (a) failure to carry a serviceable spare
wheel; or (b) running out of fuel.

When my tyre shredded itself on the M1, Honda arranged the recovery Foc
(included in their warranty, provided you had it serviced at main dealer
IIRC)

I probably had the choice of being recovered back to home, but chose to
have it taken to the nearest tyre merchant that had a replacement in stock.

On 02/01/18 13:21, Jethro_uk wrote:
When I worked in the motor trade, I was amazed at the number of customers
who managed to get their car recovered back to their house rather than
straight to us.

Bless!

That way they are not at your mercy on costs.

This was long after the AA started relay, where they'd
get you to your destination, and your car to the garage of your choice.

Yebbut you need to decide which is the garage of choice before you get
the car there.

--
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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest


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On 02/01/2018 15:30, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:00:44 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/01/18 14:48, Jethro_uk wrote:
The bottom line is, generally, customers are none too bright.

And garages are none too honest

*Shrug*

30 years in business with a total advertising budget of £0. Total word of
mouth.

I've *fixed* dishonest mistakes ... like the cylinder head gasket put on
upside down which blocked the oil channel and wore the cam carrier to
paper.


There are good garages around, I've found a couple- which I use for jobs
I no longer want to/feel able to tackle.

I'm wary of main dealers- I prefer to use a small garage. The two
garages I prefer to use I've got the know the people over the years- one
was a neighbour. I've never had a bad experience or heard of anyone
having one at either place.

In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
When I worked in the motor trade, I was amazed at the number of customers
who managed to get their car recovered back to their house rather than
straight to us. This was long after the AA started relay, where they'd
get you to your destination, and your car to the garage of your choice.

Last time I used them, they insisted on taking the car to a local garage.
Water pump had disintegrated, and the chances of that garage having one in
stock remote. And of course they didn't. So had to wait for a second
recovery vehicle to take us and car home. Because of this delay, to late
to get the car to my local garage of choice.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:09:39 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Last time I used them, they insisted on taking the car to a local
garage. Water pump had disintegrated, and the chances of that garage
having one in stock remote. And of course they didn't.

Who carries stock these days ?

A main dealer with a spares department?


Almost all non-consumables seem to need
ordering. Sometimes within the day (even 20 years ago, in London there
were auto factors that could deliver an order before midday in the PM).

The enormous price savings from a few hours delay make JIT a modern
miracle. We'll miss it when it's gone.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:21:11 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Yes. Even if you can't change a wheel yourself, the AA etc can. If the
tyre can't be fixed by that kit. Otherwise means having the car towed
home.

Do they charge, if the car didn't have a spare ?

Last time I saw the T&Cs they were very clear that the
customer had to pay for any towing caused by (a) failure
to carry a serviceable spare wheel; or (b) running out of fuel.

Why would it need to be towed if it ran out of fuel ?

On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

--
F

On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
* interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
* rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
* jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
* issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move too.

--
F

F news@nowhere Wrote in message:
On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move too.

--
F


Yes we both have breakdown assistance via insurance.

Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.
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On 30/12/2017 18:49, TheChief wrote:
F news@nowhere Wrote in message:
On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move too.

--
F


Yes we both have breakdown assistance via insurance.

Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.


It probably hasn't made any difference as most people can't change their
wheels anyway.

On 31/12/2017 11:56, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/12/2017 18:49, TheChief wrote:


Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.


It probably hasn't made any difference as most people can't change their
wheels anyway.


Is it a generational thing? At 75, I can still swap all 4 wheels on a
Volvo V70 with my winter set in under an hour.
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On 30/12/2017 18:49, TheChief wrote:
F news@nowhere Wrote in message:
On 30/12/2017 18:32, F wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Should have added that a subscription to AutoAid would be a good move
too.

--
F


Yes we both have breakdown assistance via insurance.

Can't help thinking that the number of call outs for their
services will have increased with the introduction of these cost
saving devices.


It probably hasn't made any difference as most people can't change their
wheels anyway.

Cite.

In article ,
F news@nowhere writes:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Does the car have anywhere safe to store it, i.e. somewhere where
it's fixed, so it doesn't become a missile to kill you in a crash?

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Undoing the bolts may or not be a problem - but you can always stand on
the brace if not strong enough. But getting a wheel off the centre can be
a right pain. As can fitting the spare. For someone not used to doing
this. And larger vehicles can have very heavy wheels.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
F news@nowhere wrote:
On 30/12/2017 14:47, TheChief wrote:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Pick up a spare and a jack from the scrap yard, along with an extension
tube for the wheel brace. At least she'll have a chance of getting home
(with help if needed) with that compared with a shredded sidewall and a
bottle of useless sealant.

Undoing the bolts may or not be a problem - but you can always stand on
the brace if not strong enough.
Position the brace carefully and lift up the end with the jack thus
using the vehicle weight to turn the nut.
But getting a wheel off the centre can be
a right pain. As can fitting the spare. For someone not used to doing
this. And larger vehicles can have very heavy wheels.


--
bert

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Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 14:27:31 +0000, bert wrote:

Undoing the bolts may or not be a problem - but you can always stand on
the brace if not strong enough.
Position the brace carefully and lift up the end with the jack thus
using the vehicle weight to turn the nut.

When jacks were the old long "L" type, they had a hole in one end to slip
over the wheelbrace. (For some reason no one knew this)

Then scissor jacks came in. I have no idea how you were supposed to
loosen wheel nuts then.

I once managed to loosen the wheel nuts on a stranded Renault by placing
the brace against the kerb and getting the driver to move the car along
and use its weight.

Lidl once in a while do a telescopic wheel brace. Collapsed, about the
same length as a normal one so may well fit the tool kit. And about twice
the leverage when fully extended. Very well made, too. Comes with the
standard 1/2" drive and with a reversible socket with the two common
sizes. Or can use your own socket.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:04:12 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

snip

Lidl once in a while do a telescopic wheel brace. Collapsed, about the
same length as a normal one so may well fit the tool kit. And about twice
the leverage when fully extended. Very well made, too. Comes with the
standard 1/2" drive and with a reversible socket with the two common
sizes. Or can use your own socket.

All of our vehicles have either one or those or a (folding) spider.

A lady neighbour asked me for help removing a wheel bolt from her car
and whist I knew her to be no shrinking violet, I wasn't how strong
she was so first just tried with the std brace that she had been using
(even with the supplied extension / handle). I couldn't budge it so
got my spider on it and again, nothing. Then I put a length of steel
tube on it (old motorcycle fork tube) and only as it was just about to
bend the spider did it come undone. Had it not let go at that point I
would have got her to 'shock' the nut / spider as I was putting the
torque on it.

The extending wheel brace 'might' have done it (without jumping or
driving on it etc).

Cheers, T i m

TheChief Wrote in message:
Hi all

We recently changed my Mrs Fiesta for a 2014 model.
This comes with a tyre inflator and some green gunk.

Does anyone have experience of using this type of thing? I'd be
interested to know how they perform with a seriously gashed tyre,
rather than a nail hole.

I was considering going down to the scrap yard to try to get the
jack, wheel etc., But erindoors can't manage those due to back
issues.

Is my lack of confidence in the new alternative justified?

Thanks

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Many thanks for all the useful comment guys.

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:37:29 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Except, you don't *have* to be stuck with it, there are modern
alternatives.

When we are motorcycle touring we can't easily carry spare tyres and
so we protect ourselves about the only way we feel appropriate by
making the tyres puncture proof, at least against the everyday
punctures.

The second line being AA Relay and / or the hope of getting a
replacement tyre for a supplier, wherever we happen to be.

It seems foolhardy to me to risk damaging a tyre or getting a blowout
because you inadvertently drive any distance, especially at speed
before realising you picked up a slow puncture a good few miles back.

Now, if you have tyre pressure monitors / warnings then at least you
should be protected from some of that but you still have to deal with
the puncture ... that you may well have never suffered from in the
first place with a little bit of preventative preparation.

'Of course', nothing is ever 100% but if it was only 50% that could
worth paying a few quid for?

Who goes on holiday without travel insurance or drives without some
sort of breakdown / recovery service ... or a credit card and a cell
phone at least?

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Cheers, T i m

T i m Wrote in message:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 18:37:29 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Except, you don't *have* to be stuck with it, there are modern
alternatives.

When we are motorcycle touring we can't easily carry spare tyres and
so we protect ourselves about the only way we feel appropriate by
making the tyres puncture proof, at least against the everyday
punctures.

The second line being AA Relay and / or the hope of getting a
replacement tyre for a supplier, wherever we happen to be.

It seems foolhardy to me to risk damaging a tyre or getting a blowout
because you inadvertently drive any distance, especially at speed
before realising you picked up a slow puncture a good few miles back.

Now, if you have tyre pressure monitors / warnings then at least you
should be protected from some of that but you still have to deal with
the puncture ... that you may well have never suffered from in the
first place with a little bit of preventative preparation.

'Of course', nothing is ever 100% but if it was only 50% that could
worth paying a few quid for?

Who goes on holiday without travel insurance or drives without some
sort of breakdown / recovery service ... or a credit card and a cell
phone at least?

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Cheers, T i m


Thanks Tim

I didn't miss your post on PunctureSeal, but still feel more
comfortable with the old fashioned spare option.

Phil
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:13:41 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Thanks Tim

You are welcome. ;-)

I didn't miss your post on PunctureSeal, but still feel more
comfortable with the old fashioned spare option.

Fair enough, however, IMHO it's not a one or the other solution. ;-(

Someone, when talking about GPS's said he'd just paid a large sum for
a new motorbike and couldn't afford to spend any more on a GPS 'for
it'.

My point was that 'the motorbike' wouldn't GAF about a GPS, the GPS
was *for him*. ;-)

When the LT lead broke off the capacitor on my moped, I used a
screwdriver though the hole in the flywheel to scratch a slot in the
solder and then the screwdriver and a brick to peen the solder back
over the wire and rode home.

When the Morris Minor van lost the top trunion joint whilst going
round a corner on a busy high street, I used my towrope to form a
Spanish Windlass and bind it back together and drove home.

When the clutch cable snapped on my Sierra whilst out with the family
one day, I got the spare out from the boot and with my Leatherman
pocket tool, replaced it at the side of the road and continued with my
day.

When the Bedford CF campervan got a piece of swarf in the carb float
jet, again I used the Leatherman to strip the top off the carb and fix
the problem.

My point is whilst I and many here can and have done those sorts of
things by the roadside and under less than ideal conditions, many
can't and when they can't they can really be in trouble, even if it's
simply parked up on the hard shoulder of a motorway or down some dark
country lane with something as simple as a puncture (assuming it
wasn't driven on for miles at speed and then became a blowout etc).
;-( [1]

So, all of our cars and vans have a spare wheel but because not
everyone who drives them would be able to change a wheel safely, at
night, in the dark and in the rain, I think it's a 'good idea',
especially if you amortized the cost over the number of miles a set of
tyres typically last, that they might just be saved from such a risk
in the first place by the addition of a few quids worth of sealant. In
fact, I can't see why everyone in such circumstances or even if they
aren't, doesn't do it?

Now, one reason might be because not everone knows about such stuff
.... or they confuse the negative thoughts surrounding the 'get you
home' cans (like 'they don't work' or 'you can't repair a tyre
afterwards') with the lack of those negatives with the likes of
Punctureseal.

It's not a 'should I carry a torch', it's a 'should I put my safety
belt on or not' choice (IMHO anyway). ;-)

As I said, all our cars and vans have spare tyres (and I try to ensure
they also carry a foot pump and telescopic wheel brace and torch etc)
I am more comforted to know that 'my girls' may never have need to use
them, just for the quick and simple application of a bit of sealant
(daughter did her Corsa and Van herself in the road (in the warm, dry
and daylight g) in about 20 mins each).

Just to be clear here, I've never suggested that Punctureseal (as
that's the only one I have long term experience of) can (should) or
will work in every instance, just that I've not had a puncture (that I
know of and with fingers crossed etc) in any tyre I've treated with it
and not lost any air in any of the 5 or so punctures I've used it to
repair retrospectively.

'Of course' many tyre places aren't going to offer you such ...
because they want to sell you tyres and charge for puncture repairs
but I understand there are many organisations who install it as std,
simply because the want to protect their own interests etc.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf

T i m wrote:

When the LT lead broke off the capacitor on my moped, I used a
screwdriver though the hole in the flywheel to scratch a slot in the
solder and then the screwdriver and a brick to peen the solder back
over the wire and rode home.

There was an occasion, whilst plodding along the East Lancs Road
on my Honda 50, when the slightly oscillating engine sound that I
now know to be the sign of a worn/ stretched chain was followed
by the noise of the chain wrapping itself around the sprocket.

I hitched into Warrington, bought a new chain and chain wheel (no
sprocket in stock), removed flash from the sprocket using the
kerbstone, and continued on my journey.

When the clutch cable snapped on my Sierra whilst out with the family
one day, I got the spare out from the boot and with my Leatherman
pocket tool, replaced it at the side of the road and continued with my
day.

When my Volvo 240 suddenly failed to close the throttle when I
lifted off, I spotted the failed carburetor spring, improvised
with a bit of elastic, which was fine for the rest of the trip.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

T i m Wrote in message:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:13:41 +0000 (GMT+00:00), TheChief
wrote:

snip

All our cars, motorbikes, cycles and trailers are treated with
Punctureseal because a puncture in any of them at any time would
probably spoil our day. It would definitely spoil the Wife's day
because even though she built the kitcar with me, her various health
and mobility issues (even the arthritis in her hands / fingers) would
mean even changing a wheel a pretty difficult / dangerous experience
(even if she was able to find the telescopic brace and get the jack
out and in the right place).

Personally, I rather she didn't have to try ...

Thanks Tim

You are welcome. ;-)

I didn't miss your post on PunctureSeal, but still feel more
comfortable with the old fashioned spare option.

Fair enough, however, IMHO it's not a one or the other solution. ;-(

Someone, when talking about GPS's said he'd just paid a large sum for
a new motorbike and couldn't afford to spend any more on a GPS 'for
it'.

My point was that 'the motorbike' wouldn't GAF about a GPS, the GPS
was *for him*. ;-)

When the LT lead broke off the capacitor on my moped, I used a
screwdriver though the hole in the flywheel to scratch a slot in the
solder and then the screwdriver and a brick to peen the solder back
over the wire and rode home.

When the Morris Minor van lost the top trunion joint whilst going
round a corner on a busy high street, I used my towrope to form a
Spanish Windlass and bind it back together and drove home.

When the clutch cable snapped on my Sierra whilst out with the family
one day, I got the spare out from the boot and with my Leatherman
pocket tool, replaced it at the side of the road and continued with my
day.

When the Bedford CF campervan got a piece of swarf in the carb float
jet, again I used the Leatherman to strip the top off the carb and fix
the problem.

My point is whilst I and many here can and have done those sorts of
things by the roadside and under less than ideal conditions, many
can't and when they can't they can really be in trouble, even if it's
simply parked up on the hard shoulder of a motorway or down some dark
country lane with something as simple as a puncture (assuming it
wasn't driven on for miles at speed and then became a blowout etc).
;-( [1]

So, all of our cars and vans have a spare wheel but because not
everyone who drives them would be able to change a wheel safely, at
night, in the dark and in the rain, I think it's a 'good idea',
especially if you amortized the cost over the number of miles a set of
tyres typically last, that they might just be saved from such a risk
in the first place by the addition of a few quids worth of sealant. In
fact, I can't see why everyone in such circumstances or even if they
aren't, doesn't do it?

Now, one reason might be because not everone knows about such stuff
... or they confuse the negative thoughts surrounding the 'get you
home' cans (like 'they don't work' or 'you can't repair a tyre
afterwards') with the lack of those negatives with the likes of
Punctureseal.

It's not a 'should I carry a torch', it's a 'should I put my safety
belt on or not' choice (IMHO anyway). ;-)

As I said, all our cars and vans have spare tyres (and I try to ensure
they also carry a foot pump and telescopic wheel brace and torch etc)
I am more comforted to know that 'my girls' may never have need to use
them, just for the quick and simple application of a bit of sealant
(daughter did her Corsa and Van herself in the road (in the warm, dry
and daylight g) in about 20 mins each).

Just to be clear here, I've never suggested that Punctureseal (as
that's the only one I have long term experience of) can (should) or
will work in every instance, just that I've not had a puncture (that I
know of and with fingers crossed etc) in any tyre I've treated with it
and not lost any air in any of the 5 or so punctures I've used it to
repair retrospectively.

'Of course' many tyre places aren't going to offer you such ...
because they want to sell you tyres and charge for puncture repairs
but I understand there are many organisations who install it as std,
simply because the want to protect their own interests etc.

Cheers, T i m

[1] Years ago the Mrs picked me up from the station and as soon as we
pulled away I heard the anti-static strap rubbing on the ground and
that told me something wasn't right. I got her to stop and a quick
look round the car revealed a partially deflated rear tyre. I believe
if I was driving the vehicle I would have felt it. ;-( So I pumped it
up, we got home and I applied Punctureseal outside the house (still
wearing my suite g). The tyre was still on the car when I finally
broke it many years later. ;-)

http://www.punctureseal.com/document...est-Report.pdf


Feck you nearly got to the end without mentioning spunkyseal again...
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On 30/12/2017 18:37, TheChief wrote:


Many thanks for all the useful comment guys.

One annoyance with all this is that the car has what looks like a
full depth spare wheel well.

So to save a few quid and perhaps some weight, the driver gets
stuck with a far interior solution to an age old
problem.

Phil


Just about every car new i have looked at in the last three months has
the option of a spare. Vauxhall charge £95, ford £105, IIRC.
Most drivers don't opt for one as they don't know how to change the
wheel in the first place.

They just call the AA/RAC/GF and let them sort it.