Tim Watts wrote:
[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

Others have responded in detail, but I had one in my previous house and
that experience persuaded me to have one here as well. Yes, there are
times when a huge sink would be convenient. But they're easily
outweighed by the numerous occasions on which it's good to have a second
sink, or a smaller sink. BTW I have what I think of as one and a half
sinks, i.e. a decent (not huge) one with a smaller one alongside it, and
I assume that's what you're talking about.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

In message , News
writes

On AGAs.. I will soon be disposing of a 20 year old, virtually unused,
gas fired, Rayburn range cooker:-(

We had a solid fuel range in our last house, and absolutely loved it.
The only thing that stops me installing one here (apart from cost!) is
the thought of dragging fuel in and ashes out as the years pass.

This one is mains gas..

--
Tim Lamb

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , News
writes

On AGAs.. I will soon be disposing of a 20 year old, virtually
unused, gas fired, Rayburn range cooker:-(

We had a solid fuel range in our last house, and absolutely loved it.
The only thing that stops me installing one here (apart from cost!) is
the thought of dragging fuel in and ashes out as the years pass.

This one is mains gas..

Sorry Tim. Yes, I realised yours was gas, and we could get an oil fired
one, but, to me, a range should either be solid fuel or not bother. We
now have a bottled gas and electric pseudo range (Rangemaster) which is
great at what it is and does, but it is not a range.
--
Graeme

In message , Tim Watts
writes

[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

We had twin sinks a couple of houses ago, and liked them. One to soak
stuff whilst another for washing, one to wash, one to rinse etc.
--
Graeme

On 3/16/2016 8:55 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , News
wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

Tell me about it. We have an original Butler sink in what was the
scullery, and Wifey wants it in the kitchen. I have resisted for the
last 14 years, and have no intention of giving up now :-)

This one here wants a double stainless steel sink with a drainer at
each end.

I've never liked built-in drainers, and I particularly dislike double
ones. They waste far too much counter space. I prefer a separate drainer
which can be plopped by the sink when necessary, and stashed under it
when not needed.

On Saturday, 12 March 2016 08:17:27 UTC, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1467888 20160311 134223 whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower
used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can
use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job done
in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just 32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head and
hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath.
I do tend to feel cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more relaxed after a bath tha
n a shower, maybe it's because a shower is meant to be quick, while a bath is a place where you rel
ax, dream and fart ;-)

"Only humans and hippopotami wash in their own dirty water"

That's rubbish. Anyway you could say only humans don't like their own arse in order to wash it.
Birds have dirt baths mostley to do with the insects, only man is homophobic too does that also make us superiour or just the homophobic ones.

On 16/03/2016 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Huge
writes

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic
sinks
(especially underslung & butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)

Detailed evidence please.

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I think they do look pretty. But the one in this house was removed
fairly quickly.

On 16/03/16 11:46, Mike Barnes wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

Others have responded in detail, but I had one in my previous house and
that experience persuaded me to have one here as well. Yes, there are
times when a huge sink would be convenient. But they're easily
outweighed by the numerous occasions on which it's good to have a second
sink, or a smaller sink. BTW I have what I think of as one and a half
sinks, i.e. a decent (not huge) one with a smaller one alongside it, and
I assume that's what you're talking about.


Must be a strongly user specific thing - I've never found a use for the
weeny sink an often curse the lack of space in the main. Mostly, if I am
soaking things, I don't care if I spill more water over them washing my
hands or some food items. If I were soaking ingredients (vegetables
etc), I'd do that in a clean bowl...

On 16/03/16 12:39, News wrote:
In message , Tim Watts
writes

[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

We had twin sinks a couple of houses ago, and liked them. One to soak
stuff whilst another for washing, one to wash, one to rinse etc.

Maybe that's it - have dishwasher, don't hand wash much...

On 16/03/16 15:13, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , S Viemeister
wrote:

On 3/16/2016 8:55 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , News
wrote:

In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

Tell me about it. We have an original Butler sink in what was the
scullery, and Wifey wants it in the kitchen. I have resisted for the
last 14 years, and have no intention of giving up now :-)

This one here wants a double stainless steel sink with a drainer at
each end.

I've never liked built-in drainers, and I particularly dislike double
ones. They waste far too much counter space. I prefer a separate
drainer which can be plopped by the sink when necessary,

So all the water from the items being drained falls on the counter. And
then how do ye get it into the sink?

I would imaging it has a tray with a runoff lip that hangs over the sink.

On 3/16/2016 11:13 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , S Viemeister
wrote:

I've never liked built-in drainers, and I particularly dislike double
ones. They waste far too much counter space. I prefer a separate
drainer which can be plopped by the sink when necessary,

So all the water from the items being drained falls on the counter. And
then how do ye get it into the sink?

The drainer is designed with a raised lip on three sides and a
downward-curving side on the fourth (to place over the edge of the sink)
so water drains to the sink, not onto the counter - it behaves like the
built-in sort.

and stashed under it when not needed.

That's quite rare. And the result is that you use up a big chunk of
valuable cupboard space.

Thin, slid in on its side, takes up very little space.

If I had a big kitchen like my Granny's, with a separate scullery, I'd
have built-in drainers. But I don't, so I stash the drainer when not
needed. The dishwasher takes care of most washing-up.

On 3/16/2016 11:56 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/03/16 15:13, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , S Viemeister
wrote:

I've never liked built-in drainers, and I particularly dislike double
ones. They waste far too much counter space. I prefer a separate
drainer which can be plopped by the sink when necessary,

So all the water from the items being drained falls on the counter. And
then how do ye get it into the sink?

I would imaging it has a tray with a runoff lip that hangs over the sink.

Exactly.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 16/03/16 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Huge
writes

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic
sinks
(especially underslung & butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)

Detailed evidence please.

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I have a large stainless sink[1] which fulfils that purpose with none of
the disadvantages.

[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks

I did initially because I hadn't had a dishwasher previously.
The twin sinks work better for hand dishwashing in the
traditional way with soapy water in one and clean rinse
water in the other.

- when having the same space in one large sink is far more useful?

I do in fact have a much bigger stainless steel sink in the
laundry but don’t actually do much that needs it and
what little there is isnt stuff normally done in the kitchen.

That is with a dishwasher used all the time tho.

I would find a very large thing to soak the very dirty
full sized, 750ml beer bottles in that have been used
for tomato sauce and have not been rinsed out when
the sauce is used that I get from garage/yard sales
but I really need something much bigger than even
the biggest kitchen sink for that stuff. Makes a lot
more sense to use one of those massive great
plastic things that have to be moved with a forklift
and have that in the backyard or shed for those and
you don’t do that that often anyway.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, 12 March 2016 08:17:27 UTC, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1467888 20160311 134223 whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is
about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests
...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower
used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can
use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres.
...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job
done
in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just 32
litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath
are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head
and
hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath.
I do tend to feel cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel
more relaxed after a bath tha
n a shower, maybe it's because a shower is meant to be quick, while a
bath is a place where you rel
ax, dream and fart ;-)

"Only humans and hippopotami wash in their own dirty water"

That's rubbish.

Yes, that one certainly is. Plenty of other animals do too.

Anyway you could say only humans don't like their own arse in order to
wash it.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. Birds don't
either.
Neither do snakes, crocodiles, elephants, cattle, sheep, etc etc etc.

Birds have dirt baths mostley to do with the insects,

Nothing like the baths being discussed.

only man is homophobic too

Another pig ignorant lie.

does that also make us superiour or just the homophobic ones.

On 3/16/2016 1:35 PM, Tim Streater wrote:

So does ours, but not all. And what do you use the counter for when the
drainer's not in use?

I do a _lot_ of baking. And meal prep, of course.

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 16/03/16 12:39, News wrote:

We had twin sinks a couple of houses ago, and liked them. One to soak
stuff whilst another for washing, one to wash, one to rinse etc.

Maybe that's it - have dishwasher, don't hand wash much...

Good point. We didn't have a dishwasher in the house with the twin
sinks.

Mentioning dishwashers, ours (Cheapo Beko Tesco) stopped draining
properly, leaving an inch or so of water in the bottom of the machine.
Removed and cleaned the filters which were not particularly manky, and
that helped, but did not completely clear the problem. Ran the hottest
wash and that seems to have fixed it, the implication being that
something disgusting had slowly built up in the drainage area.

--
Graeme

In message , Clive
George writes
On 16/03/2016 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I think they do look pretty. But the one in this house was removed
fairly quickly.

I'm sitting here smiling to myself. This is very much a male dominated
group, yet we must be modern men. The subject of kitchens or any part
of kitchens seem to attract more views that almost any other :-)
--
Graeme

"News" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 16/03/16 12:39, News wrote:

We had twin sinks a couple of houses ago, and liked them. One to soak
stuff whilst another for washing, one to wash, one to rinse etc.

Maybe that's it - have dishwasher, don't hand wash much...

Good point. We didn't have a dishwasher in the house with the twin sinks.

Mentioning dishwashers, ours (Cheapo Beko Tesco) stopped draining
properly, leaving an inch or so of water in the bottom of the machine.
Removed and cleaned the filters which were not particularly manky, and
that helped, but did not completely clear the problem. Ran the hottest
wash and that seems to have fixed it, the implication being that something
disgusting had slowly built up in the drainage area.

Not actually disgusting at all given the temperature
they work at and how aggressive the detergent is.

In message , News
writes
In message , Clive
George writes
On 16/03/2016 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I think they do look pretty. But the one in this house was removed
fairly quickly.

I'm sitting here smiling to myself. This is very much a male dominated
group, yet we must be modern men. The subject of kitchens or any part
of kitchens seem to attract more views that almost any other :-)

I think you have misinterpreted the direction of interest.

Big sink uses more hot water, wife does not pay the bills.

Sealant issues are a source of criticism directed at the d-i-y dept.

Broken crockery is perhaps a joint concern but the clatter of utensil
against ceramic may cause crossword interruption and domestic
disharmony.

--
Tim Lamb

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:32:05 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

In message , David
writes

Wet rooms are good as long as you recognise that the name tells it all -
the room gets wet. So you need space between the shower and the rest of
the room. You can get very nice free standing glass panels if you are
planning for the fully mobile, but these conflict with wheel chair
access.

OK. Slope the floor:-)

How does showering with a wheelchair work?

Bit in the weekend Telegraph about separating ceramic floor tiles from
underfloor heated screed. (anti-crack matting) Anyone used it?

You transfer either to a plastic chair or (I think) to a water resistant
small wheel chair. Not had to do this yet.

Main thing is to have enough room to get the wheel chair to (but not in)
the shower area.

For those with wet towels and toilet paper the room is probably too small
and/or not well ventilated and heated.

No rust on out towel rail as yet.

Cheers


Dave R


--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

On 17/03/16 07:53, News wrote:
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 16/03/16 12:39, News wrote:

We had twin sinks a couple of houses ago, and liked them. One to soak
stuff whilst another for washing, one to wash, one to rinse etc.

Maybe that's it - have dishwasher, don't hand wash much...

Good point. We didn't have a dishwasher in the house with the twin sinks.

Mentioning dishwashers, ours (Cheapo Beko Tesco) stopped draining
properly, leaving an inch or so of water in the bottom of the machine.
Removed and cleaned the filters which were not particularly manky, and
that helped, but did not completely clear the problem. Ran the hottest
wash and that seems to have fixed it, the implication being that
something disgusting had slowly built up in the drainage area.


You want to run a hot wash once a week and run some dishwasher cleaner
through at least 4 times a year IME - the former will keep the bugs down
and the latter does seem to work rather well. For the latter, I take the
filters out, clean the lumpy bits off and then put them loose in the
machine so they get washed too.

On 17/03/16 08:11, News wrote:
In message , Clive
George writes
On 16/03/2016 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I think they do look pretty. But the one in this house was removed
fairly quickly.

I'm sitting here smiling to myself. This is very much a male dominated
group, yet we must be modern men. The subject of kitchens or any part
of kitchens seem to attract more views that almost any other :-)

I lived alone for some years in my little flat and I can certainly clean
and cook.

Which actually leads me to going rather mental at the kids for leaving
all their crap everywhere.

On 17/03/16 09:31, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , News
writes
In message , Clive
George writes
On 16/03/2016 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I think they do look pretty. But the one in this house was removed
fairly quickly.

I'm sitting here smiling to myself. This is very much a male
dominated group, yet we must be modern men. The subject of kitchens
or any part of kitchens seem to attract more views that almost any
other :-)

I think you have misinterpreted the direction of interest.

Big sink uses more hot water, wife does not pay the bills.

Sealant issues are a source of criticism directed at the d-i-y dept.

With an SS sink with built in drainer, this is a non-issue.

Broken crockery is perhaps a joint concern but the clatter of utensil
against ceramic may cause crossword interruption and domestic disharmony.

Or the breakage caused by clatter of china against ceramic sink, much
less likely with an SS sink and drainer.

The other aspect is this ****ty faux-marble or granite top, where you
can never really tell if it's clean or not, and which is entirely
unforgiving in the clatter situation.

Our replacement kitchen, pencilled in but not yet scheduled, will do
away with all these impracticalities.


I was looking at stone as I hate chipboard tops.

However, we ended up with pitch pine, which is rare (our kitchen maker
imports it by the container load, as the paperwork and shipping is a
hassle, smaller quantities would not be practical).

It's damn good stuff - even when the oil layer wears down, it doesn't
care about water. And reoiling is pretty simple - clean, dry and wipe,
perhaps once a year, maybe twice in the sink area. Easy to clean and
very forgiving to glasses.

On 17/03/2016 08:11, News wrote:
In message , Clive
George writes
On 16/03/2016 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I think they do look pretty. But the one in this house was removed
fairly quickly.

I'm sitting here smiling to myself. This is very much a male dominated
group, yet we must be modern men. The subject of kitchens or any part
of kitchens seem to attract more views that almost any other :-)

How about sharia immigrant kitchens? :-)

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 08:19:15 UTC, News wrote:
In message , Clive
George writes
On 16/03/2016 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I think they do look pretty. But the one in this house was removed
fairly quickly.

I'm sitting here smiling to myself. This is very much a male dominated
group, yet we must be modern men. The subject of kitchens or any part
of kitchens seem to attract more views that almost any other :-)
--
Graeme

Maybe it's because we keep gettign nagged to imporve things or after the DIY tools and garden tools are brought, kitchen tools are the most fun.

On 11/03/2016 16:50, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 11 March 2016 15:29:14 UTC, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower used 62
litres of hot water, and some power showers can use up to 136
litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job
done in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just
32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath
are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head
and hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath. I do tend to feel
cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more relaxed after a
bath than a shower, maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick,
while a bath is a place where you relax, dream and fart ;-)


and you can have a glass of something while you are relaxing.

Hardly worth opening a bottle just for one glass. ;-)

You can buy glasses that hold an entire bottle.

In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 17/03/16 07:53, News wrote:

Mentioning dishwashers, ours (Cheapo Beko Tesco) stopped draining
properly, leaving an inch or so of water in the bottom of the machine.
Removed and cleaned the filters which were not particularly manky, and
that helped, but did not completely clear the problem. Ran the hottest
wash and that seems to have fixed it, the implication being that
something disgusting had slowly built up in the drainage area.

You want to run a hot wash once a week and run some dishwasher cleaner
through at least 4 times a year IME - the former will keep the bugs
down and the latter does seem to work rather well. For the latter, I
take the filters out, clean the lumpy bits off and then put them loose
in the machine so they get washed too.

Interestingly, I wrote the above yesterday morning and, by the time I
used the DW later, an inch of water had built up in the bottom of the
machine again. Last night, I ran the hottest wash and afterwards, no
water in the bottom. By this morning, there is perhaps half an inch of
water in the bottom again. Time for further investigation.

--
Graeme

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , News
writes

I'm sitting here smiling to myself. This is very much a male
dominated group, yet we must be modern men. The subject of kitchens
or any part of kitchens seem to attract more views that almost any
other :-)

I think you have misinterpreted the direction of interest.

My comment was slightly tongue in cheek but, whatever the reason, be it
cost, practicality, aesthetics or something else, it is true that
anything relating to kitchens always seems to attract a lot of interest.

The aesthetics is in the eye of the beholder, cost is not necessarily
relevant as some will always go for the cheapest whereas others will go
for a known 'top name' brand and practicality? My practical is your
impractical. Look at the debates on type of worktop (Formica, slate,
wood etc). sinks (Butler, SS, single, double etc), cookers (range, built
in, single or multiple ovens, fuel type etc). That is before we mention
flooring, lighting, equipment and more.

Not that I'm complaining - I enjoy the debates, and hope to gain the
benefit of the experience of others, however entrenched my own views.
--
Graeme

News wrote:

Interestingly, I wrote the above yesterday morning and, by the time I
used the DW later, an inch of water had built up in the bottom of the
machine again. Last night, I ran the hottest wash and afterwards, no
water in the bottom. By this morning, there is perhaps half an inch of
water in the bottom again. Time for further investigation.

Grit in the inlet valve? Or does it have some form of water
storage system to reduce consumption?

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
News wrote:

Interestingly, I wrote the above yesterday morning and, by the time I
used the DW later, an inch of water had built up in the bottom of the
machine again. Last night, I ran the hottest wash and afterwards, no
water in the bottom. By this morning, there is perhaps half an inch of
water in the bottom again. Time for further investigation.

Grit in the inlet valve? Or does it have some form of water
storage system to reduce consumption?

I don't know. I just wonder whether the outlet is partially blocked by
sludge, and water is getting beyond the pump but not to the drain, then
slowly draining back into the machine overnight.

The water looks clean, and there are no smells. Think I'll try Tim's
idea first. Run the DW on the hottest setting, with the filters in the
machine, but not fitted.

--
Graeme

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 16:51:38 UTC, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/03/2016 16:50, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 11 March 2016 15:29:14 UTC, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower used 62
litres of hot water, and some power showers can use up to 136
litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job
done in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just
32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath
are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head
and hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath. I do tend to feel
cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more relaxed after a
bath than a shower, maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick,
while a bath is a place where you relax, dream and fart ;-)


and you can have a glass of something while you are relaxing.

Hardly worth opening a bottle just for one glass. ;-)

You can buy glasses that hold an entire bottle.

I know a friend has some really massive wine galasses will hold much more than a bottle, but they are used for musical things she uses a chello bow on the rims to create ambient music.

http://sophiecoopermusic.com/tag/the...p-carousel-840

"News" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 17/03/16 07:53, News wrote:

Mentioning dishwashers, ours (Cheapo Beko Tesco) stopped draining
properly, leaving an inch or so of water in the bottom of the machine.
Removed and cleaned the filters which were not particularly manky, and
that helped, but did not completely clear the problem. Ran the hottest
wash and that seems to have fixed it, the implication being that
something disgusting had slowly built up in the drainage area.

You want to run a hot wash once a week and run some dishwasher cleaner
through at least 4 times a year IME - the former will keep the bugs down
and the latter does seem to work rather well. For the latter, I take the
filters out, clean the lumpy bits off and then put them loose in the
machine so they get washed too.

Interestingly, I wrote the above yesterday morning and, by the time I used
the DW later, an inch of water had built up in the bottom of the machine
again. Last night, I ran the hottest wash and afterwards, no water in the
bottom. By this morning, there is perhaps half an inch of water in the
bottom again. Time for further investigation.

Most likely the inlet solenoid has scale etc letting it leak a little when
off.

"News" wrote in message
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In message , Chris J Dixon
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News wrote:

Interestingly, I wrote the above yesterday morning and, by the time I
used the DW later, an inch of water had built up in the bottom of the
machine again. Last night, I ran the hottest wash and afterwards, no
water in the bottom. By this morning, there is perhaps half an inch of
water in the bottom again. Time for further investigation.

Grit in the inlet valve? Or does it have some form of water
storage system to reduce consumption?

I don't know. I just wonder whether the outlet is partially blocked by
sludge, and water is getting beyond the pump but not to the drain, then
slowly draining back into the machine overnight.

Much more likely to be grit in the input solenoid.

Stuff draining back wouldn't normally take any time to happen,
it should drain back pretty quickly after the machine stops.

The water looks clean, and there are no smells.

That doesn't mean much given that it would have finished with a rinse.

Think I'll try Tim's idea first. Run the DW on the hottest setting, with
the filters in the machine, but not fitted.

Can't see why that would effect draining back.

One quick test would be to turn off the inlet water
tap outside the dishwasher and see if you still end
up with water in the dishwasher overnight. Or
disconnect the inlet hose if there is no tap there.

In message , Rod Speed
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"News" wrote in message
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Interestingly, I wrote the above yesterday morning and, by the time I
used the DW later, an inch of water had built up in the bottom of the
machine again. Last night, I ran the hottest wash and afterwards, no
water in the bottom. By this morning, there is perhaps half an inch
of water in the bottom again. Time for further investigation.

Most likely the inlet solenoid has scale etc letting it leak a little
when off.

Ran the usual programme again last night, then turned the water off.
Sure enough, no water in the machine this morning. I have just turned
the water back on, so shall expect an inch of water in the machine by
tonight.

Unlikely to be scale, but perhaps grit, or something. We are in a very
soft water area and have not needed to descale kettles or irons since
moving here 14 years ago.
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Graeme

Graeme wrote
Rod Speed wrote
News wrote

Interestingly, I wrote the above yesterday morning and, by the time I
used the DW later, an inch of water had built up in the bottom of the
machine again. Last night, I ran the hottest wash and afterwards, no
water in the bottom. By this morning, there is perhaps half an inch of
water in the bottom again. Time for further investigation.

Most likely the inlet solenoid has scale etc letting it leak a little
when off.

Ran the usual programme again last night, then turned the water off. Sure
enough, no water in the machine this morning. I have just turned the
water back on, so shall expect an inch of water in the machine by tonight.

Unlikely to be scale, but perhaps grit, or something.

Yeah, that's why I said etc.

We are in a very soft water area and have not needed to descale kettles or
irons since moving here 14 years ago.

Then likely grit.

In message , Rod Speed
writes
Graeme wrote

We are in a very soft water area and have not needed to descale
kettles or irons since moving here 14 years ago.

Then likely grit.

Thanks Rod. I turned the water on two hours ago, and there is already a
small pool of water in the bottom of the dishwasher.

--
Graeme