Try with Word or Excel for the same effect then. Come on, slowcoach.
You asked for an example and I gave you one. Don't try to weasel out of
it now.

I still don't see the problem, it just tells you to close the document
and rename it.

Thass right, I have to close the doc, rename it, and then open it
again. What kind of ****ty UI is that, when I could just rename it and
the app knows that this has happened, and carries right on.


Umm .. unless I've got this arse about face somewhere lets assume you
have a Word doc open under say Office or Openoffice or similar.

If I want to save that and any particular format it gives me the option
to just "save" it as it is, inc any alterations I've done since I opened
it, under the same name or location, or "save as" which means a
different format different name and location if I so want?.

What's wrong with that unless we're on about something else thats either
beyond me or I've missed out on?

Obviously Windows is not written for *users*, if this is the kind of
convoluted workaround that's considered normal by you and others of
your ilk.


--
Tony Sayer

In article , Tim Streater
scribeth thus
In article . com,
"Dennis@home" wrote:

On 26/01/2015 23:16, Tim Streater wrote:

I'm sure they have, they've just never noticed it because of what
they're used to. For them it's just "how computers work". It doesn't
occur to them that there's no need for it, so they don't see a problem.


It isn't a problem, they just save as and delete the old one.
Its not a problem for 99.99999% of people only linux users and only
0.0001% of them.

I'm not a linux user.

Just how often do you want to rename a file you are working on and not
save the old one anyway?

There isn't an "old one", there's just the file. It may be an
attachment that, after I've edited it a bit, I realise I need to move
from the Attachments folder to a better location. This used to happen
to me approximately daily, when I was running Eudora on an XP lappy.


Well can't you back click on it and copy and paste it elsewhere or just
drag it from one place to another if those folders are open?..

--
Tony Sayer

In article , Tim Streater
scribeth thus
In article , tony sayer
wrote:


Try with Word or Excel for the same effect then. Come on, slowcoach.
You asked for an example and I gave you one. Don't try to weasel out of
it now.

I still don't see the problem, it just tells you to close the document
and rename it.

Thass right, I have to close the doc, rename it, and then open it
again. What kind of ****ty UI is that, when I could just rename it and
the app knows that this has happened, and carries right on.


Umm .. unless I've got this arse about face somewhere lets assume you
have a Word doc open under say Office or Openoffice or similar.

If I want to save that and any particular format it gives me the option
to just "save" it as it is, inc any alterations I've done since I opened
it, under the same name or location, or "save as" which means a
different format different name and location if I so want?.

Then I've got two files, rather than having Word continue editing the
one file under its new name.


Well is that a serious problem Tim?. You can use the "chooser" to rename
the doc without even opening it but really I've never found that to be a
problem at all!.

I sometimes re save the file if I'm making small changes to it a sort of
mark 1 and 2, 3 etc but if you do make a spare unwanted file just delete
it..
--
Tony Sayer

On 28/01/2015 00:32, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Tim Streater
scribeth thus
In article , tony sayer
wrote:


Try with Word or Excel for the same effect then. Come on, slowcoach.
You asked for an example and I gave you one. Don't try to weasel out of
it now.

I still don't see the problem, it just tells you to close the document
and rename it.

Thass right, I have to close the doc, rename it, and then open it
again. What kind of ****ty UI is that, when I could just rename it and
the app knows that this has happened, and carries right on.

Umm .. unless I've got this arse about face somewhere lets assume you
have a Word doc open under say Office or Openoffice or similar.

If I want to save that and any particular format it gives me the option
to just "save" it as it is, inc any alterations I've done since I opened
it, under the same name or location, or "save as" which means a
different format different name and location if I so want?.

Then I've got two files, rather than having Word continue editing the
one file under its new name.

That is usually a good way to protect users from themselves. At least
then they don't end up with one file called "letter.doc" that contains
only their most recently sent correspondence.

People can do really dumb things with computers.

Well is that a serious problem Tim?. You can use the "chooser" to rename
the doc without even opening it but really I've never found that to be a
problem at all!.

I sometimes re save the file if I'm making small changes to it a sort of
mark 1 and 2, 3 etc but if you do make a spare unwanted file just delete
it..

Save As - Keeping previous revisions of documents is good practice.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown wrote:
Save As - Keeping previous revisions of documents is good practice.

Yes it's good practice but unfortunately when you come down to it Save
As doesn't suit that purpose very well. For most of us I guess what we
really need is something that will make a copy of the original file as
it was before we started editing it, and allow us to continue editing
it. I could do that with a Word document for instance, as long as I
hadn't saved any changes, using Windows Explorer. But not AFAICS from
within Word itself.

However any manual revision control is rubbish when you're used to an
automatic system that can take you back to any recent version whether
you thought to save it or not. Coupled with a proper backup system for
older versions, of course.

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Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England