"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 11/08/13 11:34, Nightjar wrote:
On 11/08/2013 07:20, harryagain wrote:


Thorium is an alpha emitter. You could wrap it in thick plastic for safe
disposal.

Is that so?

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 11/08/13 11:34, Nightjar wrote:
On 11/08/2013 07:20, harryagain wrote:


Thorium is an alpha emitter. You could wrap it in thick plastic for safe
disposal.

Is that
so?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium...product_wastes

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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harryagain wrote:

Quality of life is going to fall,
That's what the environmentalists crave, because they are against
prosperity and progress. And capitalism of course. Years ago we had
various ****-for-brains groups including the CND lot, the Socialist
Workers Party, the hippies, the veggies, etc et bloody cetra. Now they've
found a common umbrella movement, environmentalism. Shooting would be too
good for 'em in my opinion.

too many people about and the era of cheap fossil fuel is almost over..
Only because of greeny pressure. There's 200 years' worth of coal here in
Yorkshire.


It's what's going to happen.
Too many people on this planet.
We war, pestilence orfamine.

In article ,
polygonum wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

A very simplistic PoV.

When I last could not get to work, I did what I could from home. That
probably achieved between half and three-quarters of my usual work. Had
I spent hours getting to work - and allowed similar for the return
journey - I might not have managed anything!

The vast majority can't work from home, I'd say. School kids the same.

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On 12/08/2013 17:28, harryagain wrote:
"Nightjar" wrote in message
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....
I was never happy with fewer than two engines. I also don't know of any
gliding clubs that fly from airports, rather than airfields, which would
make international travel a bit problematic.

Colin Bignell

Nothing wrong with airfields....

There is if you want to travel abroad. They don't have Customs or
passport facilities. Mind you, at one French airport I have booked in
with passport control on my way out, as I had arrived during their lunch
break.

Colin Bignell

Steve Firth wrote:

Why are you always saying other people are stupid?

Why are people so stupid?
If you're going through life thinking that 'people' are stupid you could
have a little psychological quirk. Or maybe just a lot to learn, I dunno.

As one of my kids once said to her twin, "I might be stupid but I'm not
so stupid that I don't know I'm stupid, so I don't need you to tell me."

Ah, it's genetic is it?

Ohh you are rude! You fair take my breath away! Anyway, how do you know
I'm genetically related to my children? There's many a rum carry-on
round here. My friend Cecil has three children, one black, one white,
and one khaki. He isn't genetically related to any of them, but they all
call him daddy and they all call me Uncle Billy Boy.

Bill

On 12/08/2013 17:49, harryagain wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 11/08/13 11:34, Nightjar wrote:
On 11/08/2013 07:20, harryagain wrote:


Thorium is an alpha emitter. You could wrap it in thick plastic for safe
disposal.

Is that
so?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium...product_wastes


Do you ever read any of the links you find, or understand them if you
do? You have provided a link to the results of using thorium in a
nuclear reactor. What is under discussion is using a few grammes of
thorium in a laser.

Colin Bignell

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Seems to me some on here can't see beyond the end of their probably
extensive driveway
An extensive driveway suggests wealth, which suggests success. I know
your politics are the politics of envy. It all fits together doesn't it?

Bill

Steve Firth wrote:

Oh no, if my car breaks down I hire another car. Anything else would be a
severe PITA. The local bus service doesn't get into the city until 0930 for
example.

PT is ****e.

Yes, the trouble is, you risk sitting near to a nutter. I heard a bloke
complaining about it to the driver the other day. Odd thing is he'd been
sitting just across from me and I hadn't noticed anything.

Bill

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


The vast majority can't work from home, I'd say. School kids the same.


They do in Australia.

Bill

On 12/08/2013 16:20, whisky-dave wrote:
....
I know of a couple that drive to cornwall and share the journey.
They just stop, sometimes have a break and swap over.
They can't be the only ones to have thought of this method to dribve long distances.

Thinking about it is not the same as it being a practical possibility.
My partner has always viewed my vehicles as being impossibly large to
drive and I have to include in my insurance chauffeur recovery of my car
from anywhere in Europe, should I ever become unable to drive it home.

Colin Bignell

Bill Wright wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:

Why are you always saying other people are stupid?
Why are people so stupid?
If you're going through life thinking that 'people' are stupid you could
have a little psychological quirk.

Well I don't think animals are stupid. Maybe you should learn something
about stupidity?

http://www.cantrip.org/stupidity.html


Or maybe just a lot to learn, I dunno.
As one of my kids once said to her twin, "I might be stupid but I'm not
so stupid that I don't know I'm stupid, so I don't need you to tell me."
Ah, it's genetic is it?
Ohh you are rude! You fair take my breath away! Anyway, how do you know
I'm genetically related to my children? There's many a rum carry-on
round here. My friend Cecil has three children, one black, one white,
and one khaki. He isn't genetically related to any of them, but they all
call him daddy and they all call me Uncle Billy Boy.

Fascinating.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
It's quite extraordinary how narrow some people's views are. That if
their car breaks down they have no option but to stay at home and keep
the kids away from school.


Oh no, if my car breaks down I hire another car. Anything else would be
a severe PITA. The local bus service doesn't get into the city until
0930 for example.

The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a little
late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

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On 12/08/2013 11:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/08/13 19:40, harryagain wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
That could cause chaos if there were a major overnight power cut
in an
area with high electric car usage. Lots of people failing to get to
work, school, etc.
Says a lot of modern society if they'd fail to get to work or school
because their car won't go.

But that's how things are nowadays.
Not having a car (for whatever reason) never stopped me getting to
work.

But you didn't live in a rural area with poor/no public transport and
the
nearest work 20 miles away.

Bill
Country houses would revert to peasants and townies would live in towns.
I blame stamp duty.


No, townies would DIE in towns.




What do you suppose would keep the townies in towns?
The townies would die in the countryside along with the country folk.

On 12/08/13 21:50, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/08/2013 11:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/08/13 19:40, harryagain wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
That could cause chaos if there were a major overnight power cut
in an
area with high electric car usage. Lots of people failing to
get to
work, school, etc.
Says a lot of modern society if they'd fail to get to work or
school
because their car won't go.

But that's how things are nowadays.
Not having a car (for whatever reason) never stopped me getting to
work.

But you didn't live in a rural area with poor/no public transport and
the
nearest work 20 miles away.

Bill
Country houses would revert to peasants and townies would live in
towns.
I blame stamp duty.


No, townies would DIE in towns.




What do you suppose would keep the townies in towns?
Their inability to walk more than 200 yards
Their faith that some socialist government will 'see them right'


The townies would die in the countryside along with the country folk.
No, they would die facing the country folk, who have far higher per
capita ownership of shotguns.

And know a bunch of total wasters when they see them.



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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Seems to me some on here can't see beyond the end of their probably
extensive driveway
An extensive driveway suggests wealth, which suggests success.

It probably does to you. No 10 Downing Street, after all, has a very long
driveway.

But to others, it might suggest the property is situated where land is
cheap...

I know
your politics are the politics of envy. It all fits together doesn't it?

You seem very good at making up simple explanations for many things.
Probably from a simple mind?

--
*Vegetarians taste great*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the population
is the norm?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 11/08/2013 22:01, S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/11/2013 4:39 PM, tony sayer wrote:
In article , SteveW steve@walker-

Indeed. I suffer from urticaria

Bugger that!. I get that sometimes and when it starts its away in just a
few minutes and the itching!! thats like nothing on earth, usually a
half a packet of Piriton nowadays is needed to stop it!.

Sure hate to be stuck in traffic without a pack of them onboard!...


I've found that a diphenhydramine gel or spray, can help make it more
bearable.

Fexofenadine Hydrochloride (Telfast 180mg) in the morning and Cetirizine
in the evening for me. Plus a cream that I've forgotten the name of at
the moment, when required.

SteveW

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

But to others, it might suggest the property is situated where land is
cheap...
No such thing as cheap land that has planning perm in the UK, thanks to
the immigrants.


I know
your politics are the politics of envy. It all fits together doesn't it?

You seem very good at making up simple explanations for many things.
Probably from a simple mind?

Another ad hominem attack. Try to wean yourself off this. When you're
stuck for something to say just say nothing. Don't just fire off
personal abuse that is irrelevant to the point at issue.

No, I don't make up simple explanations. I explain things accurately but
in a simple way.

Bill

"Nightjar" wrote in message
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On 12/08/2013 17:49, harryagain wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 11/08/13 11:34, Nightjar wrote:
On 11/08/2013 07:20, harryagain wrote:


Thorium is an alpha emitter. You could wrap it in thick plastic for
safe
disposal.

Is that
so?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium...product_wastes


Do you ever read any of the links you find, or understand them if you do?
You have provided a link to the results of using thorium in a nuclear
reactor. What is under discussion is using a few grammes of thorium in a
laser.

Colin Bignell
So are you saying there are no nuclear waste products?

"The Other Mike" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:55:10 +0100, "harryagain"

wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
Incidentally what is the purpose behind buying a car and renting a
battery? Does that mean you can actually rent several batteries and
leave
one at home while driving on the other one?
Or do they expect them to pack up so early they need to keep renewing
them, a bit like 1970s Colour TVs?


It's so the up front cost of the car is reduced.
An inducement to buy.

They are massively expensive and universally have **** poor performance.

I cansee you have never driven one.
So talking out of your arse.
Everybody who has ridden in mine wants one.
You realise what ****e the ICE is.


They could waterboard me and I wouldn't have one.


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 12/08/13 21:50, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/08/2013 11:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/08/13 19:40, harryagain wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
That could cause chaos if there were a major overnight power cut
in an
area with high electric car usage. Lots of people failing to get
to
work, school, etc.
Says a lot of modern society if they'd fail to get to work or
school
because their car won't go.

But that's how things are nowadays.
Not having a car (for whatever reason) never stopped me getting to
work.

But you didn't live in a rural area with poor/no public transport and
the
nearest work 20 miles away.

Bill
Country houses would revert to peasants and townies would live in
towns.
I blame stamp duty.


No, townies would DIE in towns.




What do you suppose would keep the townies in towns?
Their inability to walk more than 200 yards
Their faith that some socialist government will 'see them right'


The townies would die in the countryside along with the country folk.
No, they would die facing the country folk, who have far higher per capita
ownership of shotguns.

And know a bunch of total wasters when they see them.


Club for you to join here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_...nity_Institute
Or maybe this would be better for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivalism

harryagain wrote:

So are you saying there are no nuclear waste products?

If the laser generates heat by alpha and beta decay, presumably it acts
as an accelerated version of Thorium's natural (1.4 billion year half
life) decay and you end up with Lead (probably via 7 years worth of
Radium and Radiothorium).

http://powerelectronics.com/news/tho...tion-generator

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 04:20:29 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

But to others, it might suggest the property is situated where land is
cheap...

No such thing as cheap land that has planning perm in the UK, thanks to
the immigrants.

You really are a bit of a short-sighted idiot, aren't you?

On 12/08/2013 23:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the population
is the norm?


Its the people they mix (or not) with.

In article , SteveW steve@walker-
family.me.uk scribeth thus
On 11/08/2013 22:01, S Viemeister wrote:
On 8/11/2013 4:39 PM, tony sayer wrote:
In article , SteveW steve@walker-

Indeed. I suffer from urticaria

Bugger that!. I get that sometimes and when it starts its away in just a
few minutes and the itching!! thats like nothing on earth, usually a
half a packet of Piriton nowadays is needed to stop it!.

Sure hate to be stuck in traffic without a pack of them onboard!...


I've found that a diphenhydramine gel or spray, can help make it more
bearable.

Fexofenadine Hydrochloride (Telfast 180mg) in the morning and Cetirizine
in the evening for me.

I wonder if we are having quite the same thing?. The way your referring
this is it seems a daily problem, is that the case?. Mine is only now
and again and rather unpredictable 'tho there are some triggers like
heat and dry white wine and eggs have been implicated;!...

Or a combination of them ...

Plus a cream that I've forgotten the name of at
the moment, when required.

SteveW


--
Tony Sayer

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the population
is the norm?

Why do Londoners falsely imagine that the majority give a dump in a bucket
about them?

--
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_/ _/

On 13/08/13 06:47, harryagain wrote:
So are you saying there are no nuclear waste products?

I certainly can if you want

There are no nuclear waste products. There does that make you happy?
Nuclear waste is after all a term invented by CND and greenpeace, and
simply applied to anything that looks at them funny.


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On 13/08/13 07:52, Andy Burns wrote:
harryagain wrote:

So are you saying there are no nuclear waste products?

If the laser generates heat by alpha and beta decay, presumably it
acts as an accelerated version of Thorium's natural (1.4 billion year
half life) decay and you end up with Lead (probably via 7 years worth
of Radium and Radiothorium).

http://powerelectronics.com/news/tho...tion-generator

...and a lot of high energy neutrons IIRC that can transmute anything
they hit.

But essentially the mass of waste - esp high level waste so called - is
vastly reduced.

that's the principle behind most of the proposed waste burners.


--
Ineptocracy

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I'd just like to make the point that any electric car that does not have an alternative means of propulsion once the battery is flat, is particularly stupid and so were the designers. Unless of course it has a range of many hundreds of miles.

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
You seem very good at making up simple explanations for many things.
Probably from a simple mind?

Another ad hominem attack. Try to wean yourself off this. When you're
stuck for something to say just say nothing. Don't just fire off
personal abuse that is irrelevant to the point at issue.

Pot, kettle. HTH.

--
*People want trepanners like they want a hole in the head*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the
population is the norm?

Why do Londoners falsely imagine that the majority give a dump in a
bucket about them?

You really think your particular lifestyle is a reasonable mirror of the
majority of UK residents? Or even a sizable proportion?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Matty F wrote:
I'd just like to make the point that any electric car that does not have
an alternative means of propulsion once the battery is flat, is
particularly stupid and so were the designers. Unless of course it has a
range of many hundreds of miles.

That's a bit extreme. A conventional car can run out of fuel too. And has
no alternative means of propulsion. Other than pushing it.
The actual range makes no difference to this either - for some a *genuine*
range of 50 miles might be plenty - others might need a great deal more.

To expand, a small electric car might only be suitable for city use - so
doesn't need a vast range. If it were meant to be a general pupose
family car, a different matter.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the
population is the norm?

Why do Londoners falsely imagine that the majority give a dump in a
bucket about them?

You really think your particular lifestyle is a reasonable mirror of the
majority of UK residents? Or even a sizable proportion?

Live outside London, drive to work.


Yes I think that describes a majority of the population.

--
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_/ _/

On 13/08/2013 11:27, Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the
population is the norm?

Why do Londoners falsely imagine that the majority give a dump in a
bucket about them?

You really think your particular lifestyle is a reasonable mirror of the
majority of UK residents? Or even a sizable proportion?

Live outside London, drive to work.


Yes I think that describes a majority of the population.

No it isn't. Most of the UK doesn't commute into London.

Fredxx wrote:
On 13/08/2013 11:27, Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home. But
sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the
population is the norm?

Why do Londoners falsely imagine that the majority give a dump in a
bucket about them?

You really think your particular lifestyle is a reasonable mirror of the
majority of UK residents? Or even a sizable proportion?

Live outside London, drive to work.


Yes I think that describes a majority of the population.

No it isn't. Most of the UK doesn't commute into London.

Where did I say that the drive to work is a drive into London?

--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

In article , Fredxx wrote:
On 13/08/2013 11:27, Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
The point I was trying to drag from some would be that arriving a
little late is better than simply not trying?

Complete waste of time given that with VPN I can work from home.
But sometimes one must meet face to face.

Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the
population is the norm?

Why do Londoners falsely imagine that the majority give a dump in a
bucket about them?

You really think your particular lifestyle is a reasonable mirror of
the majority of UK residents? Or even a sizable proportion?

Live outside London, drive to work.


Yes I think that describes a majority of the population.

No it isn't. Most of the UK doesn't commute into London.

and the majority of into-London commuters use the train, anyway.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/08/13 07:52, Andy Burns wrote:

If the laser generates heat by alpha and beta decay

..and a lot of high energy neutrons IIRC that can transmute anything
they hit.

article says no neutron decay.

But essentially the mass of waste - esp high level waste so called - is
vastly reduced.

especially as each car only starts with 8g of Thorium, amazing to get a
200,000 mile 'life' out of it

On Monday, 12 August 2013 23:44:39 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:





Why is it so many here seem to think a tiny percentage of the population
is the norm?

Because when they look at themselves they think they are normal and everyone else is abnormal.

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Live outside London, drive to work.


Yes I think that describes a majority of the population.

Why don't you add male to hedge your bets?

--
*Do paediatricians play miniature golf on Wednesdays?

Dave Plowman London SW
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