Huge wrote:
On 2013-01-13, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
A.Lee wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a one
day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up to £7.30
iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.
You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much longer.
Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.


Unfortunately, it is. It's the same price between any pair of Zone 1 or
2 stations. If you're going both ways or taking a bus during the day as
well, then you need a one day travelcard for £8.80 with no restrictions
or £7.30 off peak only. Or go by bus for £2.40 per trip. (Prices off TfL
website.)

TfL *really* don't want you to pay cash.

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John Williamson wrote:

Huge wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Unfortunately, it is.

I remember our family's first week on holiday in London (actually we
stayed in near Epping Forest and tubed it in most days)

The ticket machines of the day were like these

http://www.flickr.com/photos/98587546@N00/5528127125/

except I remember them as 10p and 20p.

Oh and the *blisters* from winding all those handles in the Science
Museum ...

D.M.Chapman dmc@puffin. wrote:

Bloody vending machine gave me one with Will and Kate on - some poxy royal
wedding branded one. SWMBO thinks this amusing, and won't give mine back
now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDM7VU8S3cM

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:18 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
A.Lee wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a
one day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up to
£7.30 iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

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On Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:48:01 UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 13/01/2013 16:03, Ian Jackson wrote:


At the local village station, they only seem to sell an 'all-zone'
Travelcard (zones 1 to 6 - but maybe excluding Heathrow?). £23 covers
the return fare to the London terminus station, and unlimited travel on
the underground and London buses. Off-peak (leave here after 09:30, but
return at any time) is cheaper.

Excludes some of the extreme stations in the Chilterns - e.g. Amersham.
Maybe inter alia.

Well, Amersham is about as extreme as you can get...
Having made the journey there from central London I'd certainly recommend NOT using the Metropolitan line if you can use the train to/from Marylebone

On 14/01/2013 00:25, wrote:
On Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:48:01 UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 13/01/2013 16:03, Ian Jackson wrote:


At the local village station, they only seem to sell an 'all-zone'
Travelcard (zones 1 to 6 - but maybe excluding Heathrow?). £23 covers
the return fare to the London terminus station, and unlimited travel on
the underground and London buses. Off-peak (leave here after 09:30, but
return at any time) is cheaper.

Excludes some of the extreme stations in the Chilterns - e.g. Amersham.
Maybe inter alia.

Well, Amersham is about as extreme as you can get...
Having made the journey there from central London I'd certainly recommend NOT using the Metropolitan line if you can use the train to/from Marylebone

Same fare arrangements whether you travel "overground" or "underground"!

And Chalfont and Latimer is pretty darned extreme!

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Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:18 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In ,
wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a
one day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up to
£7.30 iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?
In Aus NSW pensioners can travel on boats trains and buses all say in
the city for a one off ticket of a few dollars.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:45:17 +1100, F Murtz wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:18 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In ,
wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a
one day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up
to £7.30 iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much
longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?
In Aus NSW pensioners can travel on boats trains and buses all say in
the city for a one off ticket of a few dollars.

Of course. But not everyone is a pensioner!

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:25:38 -0800, docholliday93 wrote:

On Sunday, 13 January 2013 17:48:01 UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 13/01/2013 16:03, Ian Jackson wrote:


At the local village station, they only seem to sell an 'all-zone'
Travelcard (zones 1 to 6 - but maybe excluding Heathrow?). £23 covers
the return fare to the London terminus station, and unlimited travel
on the underground and London buses. Off-peak (leave here after
09:30, but return at any time) is cheaper.

Excludes some of the extreme stations in the Chilterns - e.g. Amersham.
Maybe inter alia.

Well, Amersham is about as extreme as you can get...
Having made the journey there from central London I'd certainly
recommend NOT using the Metropolitan line if you can use the train
to/from Marylebone

Some tickets have exclusions in the other direction...Grays, Chafford
Hundred, etc.


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In message om, at
11:45:17 on Mon, 14 Jan 2013, F Murtz remarked:

Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?

If you live in London, pensioners[1] get a 100% discount on the tube.

[1] Actually you don't have to be retired, just old (or disabled)
enough. It used to be 60yrs+ but they are currently in a period of
tapering that up to 66yrs+. I'd have to wait until I'm 63.5yrs old for
example.
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In message , at 07:53:44 on Mon, 14
Jan 2013, Huge remarked:
Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

Yes, I know. It was a jocular reference to the fact that CG and LS are the
closest stations on the Tube.

You have to be a bit careful because that's the shortest distance by
rail between the *platforms* (300m).

On the surface, Embankment to Charing Cross is noticeably shorter at
around 260m, than Covent Garden to Leicester Square which is 360m.
--
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In article om,
F Murtz wrote:
Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:18 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In ,
wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a
one day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up to
£7.30 iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much
longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?
In Aus NSW pensioners can travel on boats trains and buses all say in
the city for a one off ticket of a few dollars.

London residents get a 100% discount, visitors get nothing.

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Roland Perry wrote
F Murtz wrote

Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?

If you live in London, pensioners[1] get a 100% discount on the tube.

Ours don't get a 100% discount in Sydney, but do qualify
for dirt cheap fares, $2.50 for the entire day and you can
go anywhere you like in the day for that using a variety
of means of travel, everything from buses to trains to ferrys.

[1] Actually you don't have to be retired, just old (or disabled)
enough. It used to be 60yrs+ but they are currently in a period of
tapering that up to 66yrs+. I'd have to wait until I'm 63.5yrs old for
example.

With Sydney, you qualify at 55 and that age isnt being changed.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:45:17 +1100, F Murtz wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:18 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In ,
wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a
one day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up
to £7.30 iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much
longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?
In Aus NSW pensioners can travel on boats trains and buses all say in
the city for a one off ticket of a few dollars.

Of course. But not everyone is a pensioner!

You don't have to be a pensioner to get that, just over 55.

On 14/01/2013 08:46, charles wrote:
In article om,
F Murtz wrote:
Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:18 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In ,
wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a
one day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up to
£7.30 iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much
longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?
In Aus NSW pensioners can travel on boats trains and buses all say in
the city for a one off ticket of a few dollars.

London residents get a 100% discount, visitors get nothing.


They (me !) get 100% on local buses pretty much anywhere. I went from
York to Whitby, which took 2.5 hours, but the the rail ticket to Kings
Cross was IIRC £4, and then free again back to Kent. Crazy system.

It's the cheapest vote winner ever because, when it comes to it, most
pensioners can't be bothered to go anywhere much.

On Jan 13, 12:10*pm, "tim....." wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message

18.142...









Roger Mills wrote in
:

On 13/01/2013 10:06, DerbyBorn wrote:
Going on a visit to London with Grandson and want to buy a TravelCard
for the Tube. I can easily do this on line but it will add on £2:50
in postage costs.

Does anyone know if I can buy one at the first Tube Station I go to
(Could be Green Park)?

How are you getting to London? If going by train, you can buy a tube
pass with your rail ticket at the station you're starting from. [You
*may* even be able to buy one from your local railway station even if
you're not going by train - not sure about that one.]

Bus - arriving at Park Lane.
I kept getting directed to sites that wanted to send me tickets (Visitor
Shop) - but I found on the TfL site that the tickets should be available
at all Ticket Offices and many machines.
Fingers crossed!

You need to make sure that you buy the right one for the zones that you will
be using.

And of course you can buy them when you get there. *How do you think the
people that live there get them?

tim

They use Oyster cards

Jonathan

In article om,
F Murtz wrote:
Do you lot have discounts for pensioners?
In Aus NSW pensioners can travel on boats trains and buses all say in
the city for a one off ticket of a few dollars.

Free in London. Freedom pass. Originally issued at age 60 but is slowly
creeping up to 65.

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In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
They (me !) get 100% on local buses pretty much anywhere. I went from
York to Whitby, which took 2.5 hours, but the the rail ticket to Kings
Cross was IIRC £4, and then free again back to Kent. Crazy system.

It's the cheapest vote winner ever because, when it comes to it, most
pensioners can't be bothered to go anywhere much.

The idea of the Freedom pass is free local travel. And in London it is
much used by many pensioners.

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On Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:46:41 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

Tim Lamb wrote:

I see elsewhere it is a prepayment card which seems simple enough. There

remains the mystery of how it might know where you are going when you

swipe it. Possibly fares are fixed? Perhaps you tell the driver who sets

the payment...



You swipe at the beginning and end of the journey. No different from

showing your ticket at either end.

There's one important differnce in that if you swipe in and forget to swipe out
(in some stations thats quite possible[1]) then you may be charged more as you have an uncomplteted journey so a sort of maxium fare is applied.

[1] A few stations (usually overgroud, may not have an oyster reader)






Dave Plowman London SW

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:06:59 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

Going on a visit to London with Grandson and want to buy a TravelCard
for the Tube. I can easily do this on line but it will add on £2:50 in
postage costs.

Does anyone know if I can buy one at the first Tube Station I go to
(Could be Green Park)?

When I've travelled into London, you can book from my local Rail station
direct to an Underground station - I collect the tickets from the
station, and it prints the appropriate travelcard ...

On Monday, January 14, 2013 12:27:55 AM UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 14/01/2013 00:25, wrote:
snip

Well, Amersham is about as extreme as you can get...
Having made the journey there from central London I'd certainly recommend NOT using the Metropolitan line if you can use the train to/from Marylebone

Same fare arrangements whether you travel "overground" or "underground"!

I was thinking more of comfort and speed - Metropolitan line from Baker street seemed to take ages in a not very comfortable carriage, while Chiltern back to Marylebone was comfortable and seemed much quicker.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:53:44 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:01:18 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2013-01-13, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:44:03 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
A.Lee wrote:
Going to London myself only once or twice a year, I generally buy a
one day travel card, £6ish the last few times, now it has gone up
to £7.30 iirc.
Last time I went, I only used one bus, and walked everywhere else,
making the £6ish ticket rather expensive.

You can still pay for each journey in cash. Dunno for how much
longer.

Yes, but at £4.50 a throw.

Hopefully not between Covent Garden and Leicester Square.

Afraid so! Minimum fare I understand.

Yes, I know. It was a jocular reference to the fact that CG and LS are
the closest stations on the Tube.

Yup, 300 metres. Travelled between them and onwards last week!

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On 14/01/2013 11:39, wrote:
On Monday, January 14, 2013 12:27:55 AM UTC, polygonum wrote:
On 14/01/2013 00:25, wrote:
snip

Well, Amersham is about as extreme as you can get... Having made
the journey there from central London I'd certainly recommend
NOT using the Metropolitan line if you can use the train to/from
Marylebone

Same fare arrangements whether you travel "overground" or
"underground"!

I was thinking more of comfort and speed - Metropolitan line from
Baker street seemed to take ages in a not very comfortable carriage,
while Chiltern back to Marylebone was comfortable and seemed much
quicker.

Have not travelled on the line since Met rolling stock has been
replaced. Prior I would get out feeling I had been on fast spin cycle.
The older aluminium ones used to bounce around terribly.

Chiltern trains, however, are very often full to the gunwales. And they
are quicker - usually fewer stops.

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:07:33 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not at all. The London Transport system is a mystery to me with zones,
cards, shellfish, congestion charges, pollution control areas etc etc.

Zones are roughly concentric areas from the centre of London. If you're
a tourist and sticking to the centre, you'd not need a card that allows
you to go anywhere.

Not anywhere but I don't know the zone boundaries at all. Would a card
for the single central zone cover all the tourist sites?

The Oyster card is merely a pre-payment debit card which is 'swiped'
when used. It gives a considerable discount over paying cash.

You needn't concern yourself with the CC and pollution control areas if
using PT

How close can I drive to London before either becomes an possible
problem? IIRC the pollution zone is more or less anywhere inside the M25,
some vehicles don't pay to enter that others do. Do you get enough
warning about an impending charge to be able to avoid it. TBH if I was
driving in central london and came a cross a congestion charge point I'd
want to stop and turn round, is that possible? It's OK for the "locals"
to know the rules and think them obvious but for many a trafic jam is 4
cars in a queue for 2mins, all parking is free and all roads are free.

--
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Dave.

On 14/01/2013 10:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
They (me !) get 100% on local buses pretty much anywhere. I went from
York to Whitby, which took 2.5 hours, but the the rail ticket to Kings
Cross was IIRC £4, and then free again back to Kent. Crazy system.

It's the cheapest vote winner ever because, when it comes to it, most
pensioners can't be bothered to go anywhere much.

The idea of the Freedom pass is free local travel. And in London it is
much used by many pensioners.


Yes but there's a gulf between what's allowed and what people actually
use it for. They like to think they'll be swanning around London,
visiting art galleries and stuff, but the novelty soon wears off. I
don't even use it for the bus most of the time as I need the exercise

On 14/01/2013 13:16, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:07:33 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not at all. The London Transport system is a mystery to me with zones,
cards, shellfish, congestion charges, pollution control areas etc etc.

Zones are roughly concentric areas from the centre of London. If you're
a tourist and sticking to the centre, you'd not need a card that allows
you to go anywhere.

Not anywhere but I don't know the zone boundaries at all. Would a card
for the single central zone cover all the tourist sites?

The Oyster card is merely a pre-payment debit card which is 'swiped'
when used. It gives a considerable discount over paying cash.

You needn't concern yourself with the CC and pollution control areas if
using PT

How close can I drive to London before either becomes an possible
problem? IIRC the pollution zone is more or less anywhere inside the M25,
some vehicles don't pay to enter that others do. Do you get enough
warning about an impending charge to be able to avoid it. TBH if I was
driving in central london and came a cross a congestion charge point I'd
want to stop and turn round, is that possible? It's OK for the "locals"
to know the rules and think them obvious but for many a trafic jam is 4
cars in a queue for 2mins, all parking is free and all roads are free.

If you approach London from the M40 direction, there are big signs about
restricted commercial vehicles in plenty of time to choose to turn
around at next junction. And down the A40 you get lots of of CC warning
signs - saying how far away it is. Certainly at that point you can
easily ensure you miss the CC zone by turning round or going to one side
or t'other of it. If anything, the signs are too early, and too
worry-inducing.

--
Rod

In message , polygonum
writes
On 14/01/2013 13:16, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:07:33 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not at all. The London Transport system is a mystery to me with zones,
cards, shellfish, congestion charges, pollution control areas etc etc.

Zones are roughly concentric areas from the centre of London. If you're
a tourist and sticking to the centre, you'd not need a card that allows
you to go anywhere.

Not anywhere but I don't know the zone boundaries at all. Would a card
for the single central zone cover all the tourist sites?

The Oyster card is merely a pre-payment debit card which is 'swiped'
when used. It gives a considerable discount over paying cash.

You needn't concern yourself with the CC and pollution control areas if
using PT

How close can I drive to London before either becomes an possible
problem? IIRC the pollution zone is more or less anywhere inside the M25,
some vehicles don't pay to enter that others do. Do you get enough
warning about an impending charge to be able to avoid it. TBH if I was
driving in central london and came a cross a congestion charge point I'd
want to stop and turn round, is that possible? It's OK for the "locals"
to know the rules and think them obvious but for many a trafic jam is 4
cars in a queue for 2mins, all parking is free and all roads are free.

If you approach London from the M40 direction, there are big signs
about restricted commercial vehicles in plenty of time to choose to
turn around at next junction. And down the A40 you get lots of of CC
warning signs - saying how far away it is. Certainly at that point you
can easily ensure you miss the CC zone by turning round or going to one
side or t'other of it. If anything, the signs are too early, and too
worry-inducing.

A Google for 'congestion charge map' tells you exactly where it is
(certainly a lot less than anywhere inside the M25). On the other hand,
'london pollution zone map' shows that the zone hits the inside of M25
ring quite a lot (or is very close to it), and to the east of London, a
bit of the M25 actually seems to pass through it.
--
Ian

In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Zones are roughly concentric areas from the centre of London. If
you're a tourist and sticking to the centre, you'd not need a card
that allows you to go anywhere.

Not anywhere but I don't know the zone boundaries at all. Would a card
for the single central zone cover all the tourist sites?

Most of the more common ones - you can download a map showing the zones
from TfL.

The Oyster card is merely a pre-payment debit card which is 'swiped'
when used. It gives a considerable discount over paying cash.

You needn't concern yourself with the CC and pollution control areas if
using PT

How close can I drive to London before either becomes an possible
problem? IIRC the pollution zone is more or less anywhere inside the
M25, some vehicles don't pay to enter that others do. Do you get enough
warning about an impending charge to be able to avoid it. TBH if I was
driving in central london and came a cross a congestion charge point I'd
want to stop and turn round, is that possible? It's OK for the "locals"
to know the rules and think them obvious but for many a trafic jam is 4
cars in a queue for 2mins, all parking is free and all roads are free.

The pollution thing only really applies to trucks - or possibly some older
diesel camper vans. The CC area is all too easy to enter without realising
it - there are no barriers. So again best to plan your route. Again, you
can download a map showing it.

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In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
The idea of the Freedom pass is free local travel. And in London it is
much used by many pensioners.


Yes but there's a gulf between what's allowed and what people actually
use it for. They like to think they'll be swanning around London,
visiting art galleries and stuff, but the novelty soon wears off. I
don't even use it for the bus most of the time as I need the exercise

I'd rather do my walking somewhere pleasant like a park or common. And use
the bus to get to the high street.

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In message , at 14:20:56 on Mon, 14
Jan 2013, Huge remarked:

Yup, 300 metres. Travelled between them and onwards last week!

How long is a Tube train? Has the front entered LS before the back has
left CG?

6 x 18m = 108m, so not even close.
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
The pollution thing only really applies to trucks - or possibly some older
diesel camper vans. The CC area is all too easy to enter without realising
it - there are no barriers. So again best to plan your route. Again, you
can download a map showing it.

My 2.4l Diesel Hilux got a personal letter from the Mayor inviting me to
stay away or risk a £100 fine! Most ordinary cars should be fine.

I think there is a list on the DVLA site.


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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:07:33 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not at all. The London Transport system is a mystery to me with zones,
cards, shellfish, congestion charges, pollution control areas etc etc.
Zones are roughly concentric areas from the centre of London. If you're
a tourist and sticking to the centre, you'd not need a card that allows
you to go anywhere.

Not anywhere but I don't know the zone boundaries at all. Would a card
for the single central zone cover all the tourist sites?

Zones 1 & 2 cover all the main central tourist stuff. Effectively, they
cover inside and including the Circle line on the tube map.

If you want to go to places like the Docklands and Greenwich to the
east, or Kew Gardens to the West, you need extra zones.

The low emission zone doesn't affect you unless you are driving anything
with a diesel engine over 7 seats, and the congestion charge doesn't
apply to vehicles with more than 8 seats, taxis (London Hackney carriage
licences only.), or private hire vehicles registered with TfL. I could,
for instance, put a large petrol engine in the coach and forget about
the low emission zone. I'd just need a mortgage for the fuel bills...

Maps of the zones are available, and if you don't know London, you need
to preplan your journey anyway, as unless your map reader is up to
Olympic Gold medal standard, you won't have time to read a map or, quite
likely, do more than glance at your GPS screen.

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John.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
The idea of the Freedom pass is free local travel. And in London it is
much used by many pensioners.


Yes but there's a gulf between what's allowed and what people actually
use it for. They like to think they'll be swanning around London,
visiting art galleries and stuff, but the novelty soon wears off. I
don't even use it for the bus most of the time as I need the exercise

I'd rather do my walking somewhere pleasant like a park or common. And use
the bus to get to the high street.

In London, it's often quicker to walk to your local high street than use
the bus. Even out in the wilds of Hounslow and Richmond, I never had to
walk for more than ten minutes to get to the local shops. Buses and
trains were for visiting the main shops in the West End.

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Tciao for Now!

John.

Steve Firth wrote:
D.M.Chapman dmc@puffin. wrote:

Bloody vending machine gave me one with Will and Kate on - some poxy royal
wedding branded one. SWMBO thinks this amusing, and won't give mine back
now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDM7VU8S3cM

Nice. Chuckles

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Tciao for Now!

John.

In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
In London, it's often quicker to walk to your local high street than use
the bus. Even out in the wilds of Hounslow and Richmond, I never had to
walk for more than ten minutes to get to the local shops. Buses and
trains were for visiting the main shops in the West End.

A bus from Richmond to the West End? You must have plenty of spare time.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Nick Odell wrote:
I use these buses quite a lot and IME while, yes, the last part of the
journey is often a crawl, this is factored into the timetables and the
bus should arrive within reasonable limits of the timetabled time.
Last time I arrived twenty minutes early; before that, on time.
Occasionally it all goes pear-shaped, but not often.

Does the bus stop anywhere before Park Lane? For example, the Cambridge
buses take about a hour to get to Stratford, and then another hour to get
from Stratford to Victoria. You can get off at Stratford and take the tube
which saves about half an hour - especially if you're using a Travelcard and
wanted to go somewhere other than Victoria in the first place.

Theo

On 14/01/13 14:36, Tim Lamb wrote:

My 2.4l Diesel Hilux got a personal letter from the Mayor inviting me to
stay away or risk a £100 fine! Most ordinary cars should be fine.

They were pretty over-zealous with the latest round of vehicles included
in the LEZ.

My 2.4l VW Caravelle was included, but after quite a bit of wrangling
with both TfL and DVLA they did eventually manage to count to 7 (seats),
and accept that my vehicle was exempt.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Williamson wrote:
In London, it's often quicker to walk to your local high street than use
the bus. Even out in the wilds of Hounslow and Richmond, I never had to
walk for more than ten minutes to get to the local shops. Buses and
trains were for visiting the main shops in the West End.

A bus from Richmond to the West End? You must have plenty of spare time.

No, I used the tube. Then walked from the nearest station to the shops I
wanted. If feeling lazy, I might have caught the bus to the station, but
that hardly ever happened.

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John.

On 14/01/2013 14:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
The idea of the Freedom pass is free local travel. And in London it is
much used by many pensioners.


Yes but there's a gulf between what's allowed and what people actually
use it for. They like to think they'll be swanning around London,
visiting art galleries and stuff, but the novelty soon wears off. I
don't even use it for the bus most of the time as I need the exercise

I'd rather do my walking somewhere pleasant like a park or common. And use
the bus to get to the high street.

Building exercise into necessary journeys saves a lot of time - though
though this may not be a problem for a pensioner :-)

In message , at 14:46:19 on Mon, 14
Jan 2013, John Williamson remarked:

The low emission zone doesn't affect you unless you are driving
anything with a diesel engine over 7 seats

Does the average HGV have over 7 seats?
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Roland Perry