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I've just renewed my BT Line Rental Saver contract for the line in my
holiday flat (including free evening and weekend calls) and BT now seem to be imposing monthly - rather than quarterly - billing for customers using this deal. I'm pretty sure that, in order to continue to qualify for free Caller Display, etc., I still need to make a specified number of potentially chargeable calls each billing period. That wasn't a problem with quarterly billing because I was always at the flat often enough to make enough calls each quarter - most of which would be free evening calls to my answering machine at my main home! However, there may be some times when I don't visit the flat for more than a month - so, with monthly billing, I may sometimes be unable to make the requisite number of calls. So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? There isn't a computer there when I'm not there - otherwise, if I left one running, I could probably set up a scheduled task to use a modem to dial out at regular intervals. However, there *is* a permanent internet connection, with a router which I can access remotely to check that the connection's still up. Could I attach anything to that which would do the dialling and which could be controlled remotely? Or, is there a stand-alone bit of kit with a built-in timer which could do it? TIA. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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Roger Mills wrote:
can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? A VoIP adapter (e.g SPA3102) with an ethernet connection to the ADSL router, and PSTN connection to the phone line, you could then make a VoIP call "in" to the ATA which it is configured to dial "out" via the PSTN I use 0330 1234 151 (BT residential faults service) for my mandatory two calls, the email from BT to say the bill is ready is the reminder to make the calls, regardless of whether I can remember making other calls that month or not. |
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I have a feeling these have to be answered calls as well so one cannot just
dial any old number. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Roger Mills" wrote in message ... I've just renewed my BT Line Rental Saver contract for the line in my holiday flat (including free evening and weekend calls) and BT now seem to be imposing monthly - rather than quarterly - billing for customers using this deal. I'm pretty sure that, in order to continue to qualify for free Caller Display, etc., I still need to make a specified number of potentially chargeable calls each billing period. That wasn't a problem with quarterly billing because I was always at the flat often enough to make enough calls each quarter - most of which would be free evening calls to my answering machine at my main home! However, there may be some times when I don't visit the flat for more than a month - so, with monthly billing, I may sometimes be unable to make the requisite number of calls. So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? There isn't a computer there when I'm not there - otherwise, if I left one running, I could probably set up a scheduled task to use a modem to dial out at regular intervals. However, there *is* a permanent internet connection, with a router which I can access remotely to check that the connection's still up. Could I attach anything to that which would do the dialling and which could be controlled remotely? Or, is there a stand-alone bit of kit with a built-in timer which could do it? TIA. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 04/12/2012 23:00, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just renewed my BT Line Rental Saver contract for the line in my holiday flat (including free evening and weekend calls) and BT now seem to be imposing monthly - rather than quarterly - billing for customers using this deal. I'm pretty sure that, in order to continue to qualify for free Caller Display, etc., I still need to make a specified number of potentially chargeable calls each billing period. That wasn't a problem with quarterly billing because I was always at the flat often enough to make enough calls each quarter - most of which would be free evening calls to my answering machine at my main home! However, there may be some times when I don't visit the flat for more than a month - so, with monthly billing, I may sometimes be unable to make the requisite number of calls. So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? There isn't a computer there when I'm not there - otherwise, if I left one running, I could probably set up a scheduled task to use a modem to dial out at regular intervals. However, there *is* a permanent internet connection, with a router which I can access remotely to check that the connection's still up. Could I attach anything to that which would do the dialling and which could be controlled remotely? Or, is there a stand-alone bit of kit with a built-in timer which could do it? Old voice capable modem, and a cheap low power computer like a Pi? -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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In uk.telecom John Rumm wrote:
Old voice capable modem, and a cheap low power computer like a Pi? Doesn't even need to do voice, a bog standard modem should do. Dial the speaking clock (020 70431320 is a geographic version from a uk.telecom regular) or whatever, the modem negotiation will try and fail, hang up after 30 seconds regardless, job done. As long as the other end answers you've made a 'chargeable call' even if there's no content. Depending on your router, it might have an internal serial port you can use to do talk to the modem if you can run a basic script on it (eg if it runs Linux and you can get a shell somehow). Or put OpenWRT on a spare router to do the same thing. Might need some voltage shifters for the serial port (eg a mobile phone data cable). Theo |
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On 04/12/2012 23:00, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just renewed my BT Line Rental Saver contract for the line in my holiday flat (including free evening and weekend calls) and BT now seem to be imposing monthly - rather than quarterly - billing for customers using this deal. I'm pretty sure that, in order to continue to qualify for free Caller Display, etc., I still need to make a specified number of potentially chargeable calls each billing period. That wasn't a problem with quarterly billing because I was always at the flat often enough to make enough calls each quarter - most of which would be free evening calls to my answering machine at my main home! However, there may be some times when I don't visit the flat for more than a month - so, with monthly billing, I may sometimes be unable to make the requisite number of calls. So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? There isn't a computer there when I'm not there - otherwise, if I left one running, I could probably set up a scheduled task to use a modem to dial out at regular intervals. However, there *is* a permanent internet connection, with a router which I can access remotely to check that the connection's still up. Could I attach anything to that which would do the dialling and which could be controlled remotely? Or, is there a stand-alone bit of kit with a built-in timer which could do it? TIA. Can someone explain to me why BT think it necessary to impose such silly requirements? Especially if they can be fulfilled by all sorts of workarounds. Don't we usually expect to pay more if we use something more - rather than (as it appears) pay more if we don't use enough of it? -- Rod |
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In uk.d-i-y polygonum wrote:
Can someone explain to me why BT think it necessary to impose such silly requirements? Especially if they can be fulfilled by all sorts of workarounds. Don't we usually expect to pay more if we use something more - rather than (as it appears) pay more if we don't use enough of it? Because BT make most of their profit on calls, therefore they want you to make some. They want to discourage you from having a line you only use to receive calls, or just for ADSL, and so if you don't use the line you pay more to make up for what revenue they didn't get from call charges. This is why telcos love talking about how many pennies you save on line rental (eg Virgin's 'free' phone line) but fail to mention how expensive their calls are... (32p/min to Three mobiles on Virgin). Theo |
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polygonum wrote:
Can someone explain to me why BT think it necessary to impose such silly requirements? Especially if they can be fulfilled by all sorts of workarounds. Don't we usually expect to pay more if we use something more - rather than (as it appears) pay more if we don't use enough of it? As well as eliminating incoming only lines, it ensures that the average user (who won't automate the process) knows how to make outgoing calls, via BT, on the line. |
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On 05/12/2012 13:10, Theo Markettos wrote:
In uk.d-i-y polygonum wrote: Can someone explain to me why BT think it necessary to impose such silly requirements? Especially if they can be fulfilled by all sorts of workarounds. Don't we usually expect to pay more if we use something more - rather than (as it appears) pay more if we don't use enough of it? Because BT make most of their profit on calls, therefore they want you to make some. They want to discourage you from having a line you only use to receive calls, or just for ADSL, and so if you don't use the line you pay more to make up for what revenue they didn't get from call charges. This is why telcos love talking about how many pennies you save on line rental (eg Virgin's 'free' phone line) but fail to mention how expensive their calls are... (32p/min to Three mobiles on Virgin). Theo Can see what you mean if it is a vanilla line. But if the tariff is one where the calls are not charged... ? -- Rod |
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On 05/12/2012 12:41, Theo Markettos wrote:
In uk.telecom John Rumm wrote: Old voice capable modem, and a cheap low power computer like a Pi? Doesn't even need to do voice, a bog standard modem should do. Dial the Yup true.... speaking clock (020 70431320 is a geographic version from a uk.telecom regular) or whatever, the modem negotiation will try and fail, hang up after 30 seconds regardless, job done. As long as the other end answers you've made a 'chargeable call' even if there's no content. Depending on your router, it might have an internal serial port you can use to do talk to the modem if you can run a basic script on it (eg if it runs Linux and you can get a shell somehow). Or put OpenWRT on a spare router to do the same thing. Might need some voltage shifters for the serial port (eg a mobile phone data cable). Or, possibly see if one could found an old dial in router that had secure phone back capability - used to be popular in corporate circles - you would phone it, it would then phone back on a preprogrammed number. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:37:04 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
I have a feeling these have to be answered calls as well so one cannot just dial any old number. Before I moved away from BT Retail, I used to call my doctor's surgery once every Sunday morning in order to make the required number of calls to keep Caller ID free. Weekend calls to 01/02/03 numbers were free, and the surgery (being closed) answered the call with a recorded message. |
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"polygonum" wrote in message ... On 05/12/2012 13:10, Theo Markettos wrote: In uk.d-i-y polygonum wrote: Can someone explain to me why BT think it necessary to impose such silly requirements? Especially if they can be fulfilled by all sorts of workarounds. Don't we usually expect to pay more if we use something more - rather than (as it appears) pay more if we don't use enough of it? Because BT make most of their profit on calls, therefore they want you to make some. They want to discourage you from having a line you only use to receive calls, or just for ADSL, and so if you don't use the line you pay more to make up for what revenue they didn't get from call charges. This is why telcos love talking about how many pennies you save on line rental (eg Virgin's 'free' phone line) but fail to mention how expensive their calls are... (32p/min to Three mobiles on Virgin). Theo Can see what you mean if it is a vanilla line. But if the tariff is one where the calls are not charged... ? -- Rod IIRC, Rod, BT were challenged over their original scheme - where the calls must be chargeable, as in you actually render some money to BT. Their fudge was to hold onto the word chargeable but accept that if the call was within the bundle definition of an exempted call then whilst it would be free to you it would be classified as chargeable. I guess that it is similar to HMRC having two classes of VAT - one called VAT-exempt and the other called zero-rated ;-}} I'm on the basic, weekend bundle and just pay the Annual Line Saver rental. Like the OP, I've noted the change to monthly and just have to remember to make a connecting call to an 0845 Bank or a Building Society twice a month rather than six times a quarter - on Saturday or Sunday. Pathetic - init! PA |
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On 05/12/2012 18:46, Peter Able wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message ... On 05/12/2012 13:10, Theo Markettos wrote: In uk.d-i-y polygonum wrote: Can someone explain to me why BT think it necessary to impose such silly requirements? Especially if they can be fulfilled by all sorts of workarounds. Don't we usually expect to pay more if we use something more - rather than (as it appears) pay more if we don't use enough of it? Because BT make most of their profit on calls, therefore they want you to make some. They want to discourage you from having a line you only use to receive calls, or just for ADSL, and so if you don't use the line you pay more to make up for what revenue they didn't get from call charges. This is why telcos love talking about how many pennies you save on line rental (eg Virgin's 'free' phone line) but fail to mention how expensive their calls are... (32p/min to Three mobiles on Virgin). Theo Can see what you mean if it is a vanilla line. But if the tariff is one where the calls are not charged... ? -- Rod IIRC, Rod, BT were challenged over their original scheme - where the calls must be chargeable, as in you actually render some money to BT. Their fudge was to hold onto the word chargeable but accept that if the call was within the bundle definition of an exempted call then whilst it would be free to you it would be classified as chargeable. I guess that it is similar to HMRC having two classes of VAT - one called VAT-exempt and the other called zero-rated ;-}} I'm on the basic, weekend bundle and just pay the Annual Line Saver rental. Like the OP, I've noted the change to monthly and just have to remember to make a connecting call to an 0845 Bank or a Building Society twice a month rather than six times a quarter - on Saturday or Sunday. Pathetic - init! PA I can see what you mean about how they got there - but still it's madness! -- Rod |
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On 05/12/2012 08:37, Brian Gaff wrote:
I have a feeling these have to be answered calls as well so one cannot just dial any old number. Brian That's not a problem. If it calls my main home, either I will answer it, or the answering machine will! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:37:04 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: I have a feeling these have to be answered calls as well so one cannot just dial any old number. Brian This is true, That's why you would use a number that is answered automatically by an auto-attendant such as the example Andy gave -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 05/12/2012 16:23, John Rumm wrote:
Or, possibly see if one could find an old dial in router that had secure phone back capability - used to be popular in corporate circles - you would phone it, it would then phone back on a preprogrammed number. The only problem with that is that it would respond to *all* incoming calls and potentially make outgoing calls at times when they are chargeable. Also, it would have to answer before the answering machine cut in, so no-one would be able to leave a message. Ideally, I would like something which I could initiate by talking to the router over the internet. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 04/12/2012 23:09, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Mills wrote: can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? A VoIP adapter (e.g SPA3102) with an ethernet connection to the ADSL router, and PSTN connection to the phone line, you could then make a VoIP call "in" to the ATA which it is configured to dial "out" via the PSTN Sounds interesting, but I don't quite understand. Is there any chance that you could spell it out in a bit more detail? -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 04/12/12 23:00, Roger Mills wrote:
So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? What you want to do really needs some sort of computer system. The cheapest way of doing it would be to use a Raspberry Pi costing around £30 but you can get an awful lot of phone calls for £30. Will it save you that much? -- Bernard Peek |
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Bernard Peek wrote:
What you want to do really needs some sort of computer system. The VoIP adapter I suggested has all the intelligence required. The cheapest way of doing it would be to use a Raspberry Pi costing around £30 but you can get an awful lot of phone calls for £30. Will it save you that much? If you happen not to make the required two chargeable calls per month, they charge you £1.50/month for not making the calls and £2.70/month for the otherwise-free caller-id. |
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On 05/12/2012 21:48, Roger Mills wrote:
On 05/12/2012 16:23, John Rumm wrote: Or, possibly see if one could find an old dial in router that had secure phone back capability - used to be popular in corporate circles - you would phone it, it would then phone back on a preprogrammed number. The only problem with that is that it would respond to *all* incoming calls and potentially make outgoing calls at times when they are chargeable. Also, it would have to answer before the answering machine cut in, so no-one would be able to leave a message. Ideally, I would like something which I could initiate by talking to the router over the internet. Well if you want to get posh, a Draytek Vigor 2830 has triple wan capability, VPN termination and the ability to fall back to POTS modem dialup if required. Also various VoIP capabilities with POTS passthrough. (quite a decent router, and 802.11n wifi box as well) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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polygonum wrote
Because BT make most of their profit on calls, therefore they want you to make some. They want to discourage you from having a line you only use to Can see what you mean if it is a vanilla line. But if the tariff is one where the calls are not charged... ? If no calls are charged, true. But there are still mobile, special 08xx and international calls not included in such add-ons. -- Mike D |
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Roger Mills wrote
However, there may be some times when I don't visit the flat for more than a month - so, with monthly billing, I may sometimes be unable to make the requisite number of calls. Last time this came up somebody suggested use of a BT telephone charge card the charges from which counted as chargable calls. Has this now vanished ? Suppose you have Call Minder with a text message, chargable to your bill, every time a message is left. That should work but Call Minder is charged at £3.15/ month. Some answering machine phones may have an equivalent feature. The poster's insurance company would probably be happier if there was a monthly visitor and they could make the phone calls to confirm their visits. Any other ideas ? -- Mike D |
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On 05/12/2012 21:51, Roger Mills wrote:
On 04/12/2012 23:09, Andy Burns wrote: Roger Mills wrote: can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? A VoIP adapter (e.g SPA3102) with an ethernet connection to the ADSL router, and PSTN connection to the phone line, you could then make a VoIP call "in" to the ATA which it is configured to dial "out" via the PSTN Sounds interesting, but I don't quite understand. Is there any chance that you could spell it out in a bit more detail? If I were doing this with my router (2830 mentioned elsewhere), I would have it register with a SIP account that allocates a real phone number. This will allow one to dial into the router via a PSTN call to the VoIP number. The router could then be configured to relay incoming calls to a POTS number of your choice. So in effect you place a phone call that originates on the PSTN (or mobile networks), gets shifted onto VoIP by the SIP provider of choice, the router then received that "call" and is programmed to relay to another POTS line - routing your call back via the PSTN land line its connected to. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Roger Mills wrote:
On 04/12/2012 23:09, Andy Burns wrote: Roger Mills wrote: can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? A VoIP adapter (e.g SPA3102) with an ethernet connection to the ADSL router, and PSTN connection to the phone line, you could then make a VoIP call "in" to the ATA which it is configured to dial "out" via the PSTN Sounds interesting, but I don't quite understand. Is there any chance that you could spell it out in a bit more detail? The ATA (analogue telephone adapter) connects to 1) your phone line 2) your phone 3) your ethernet e.g. second hand Sipura SPA3000 or Linksys SPA3102 from eBay Normally you would use your phone to make free VoIP calls via the ATA (and a VoIP account e.g. sipgate) over the internet, or cheap VoIP-PSTN calls. But you can also use them in other ways, e.g. make a voip call direct to the IP address** of the ATA, and get it to "bounce" the call out onto your PSTN line e.g you know your 2nd home's router has IP address 12.34.56.78 you wish to use 03301234151 for the monthly calls, UDP port 5060 is the usual SIP port you'd make a VoIP call (e.g. from X-Lite software on your PC, or from an Asterisk server) to :5060" There's a few more ins and outs to consider, it's been a while since I dabbled with my ATA in that way, but here's some more hints http://forum.voxilla.com/threads/how-can-i-call-spa3102-without-using-a-vsp.19304 ** you might need to use dyndns if you don't have a static IP address, and you'd probably need to use port forwarding in the router's firewall, you also want to only allow VoIP traffic from IP addresses you trust, such as your own static IP address at home, or a VoIP provider, and be careful with password protecting the ATA, you don't want random people discovering your ATA and making calls via your line ... there are plenty of rogues out there trying to make their international calls at someone else's expense! |
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John Rumm wrote:
The router could then be configured to relay incoming calls to a POTS number of your choice. So in effect you place a phone call that originates on the PSTN (or mobile networks), gets shifted onto VoIP by the SIP provider of choice, the router then received that "call" and is programmed to relay to another POTS line I like it, so you could make your chargeable calls from home to your 2nd home, which would in turn force the 2nd home to make its chargeable calls to some fixed number, killing two birds with one stone ... |
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Roger Mills wrote:
I'm pretty sure that, in order to continue to qualify for free Caller Display, etc., I still need to make a specified number of potentially chargeable calls each billing period. That wasn't a problem with quarterly billing because I was always at the flat often enough to make enough calls each quarter - most of which would be free evening calls to my answering machine at my main home! What's the cost of not getting free Caller Display etc? What's the cost of visiting the flat? (As someone else hinted) how come the insurer of your flat is happy that it (may be) unlived-in for long periods? However, there may be some times when I don't visit the flat for more than a month - so, with monthly billing, I may sometimes be unable to make the requisite number of calls. I presume you don't have all services turned off in this flat in your absence (because you say there's a permanent internet connection) so how do you check that there's been no floods, power-cuts etc? If you can't visit the place often enough, shouldn't someone-else be doing so... and if they are why can't they ring you? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to replacing "aaa" by "284". |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:58:17 +0000, Bernard Peek wrote:
On 04/12/12 23:00, Roger Mills wrote: So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? What you want to do really needs some sort of computer system. The cheapest way of doing it would be to use a Raspberry Pi costing around £30 but you can get an awful lot of phone calls for £30. Will it save you that much? The cost of Caller Display is what he's trying to save. That's a quarterly charge; it's not about calls. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:48:02 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
John Rumm wrote: The router could then be configured to relay incoming calls to a POTS number of your choice. So in effect you place a phone call that originates on the PSTN (or mobile networks), gets shifted onto VoIP by the SIP provider of choice, the router then received that "call" and is programmed to relay to another POTS line I like it, so you could make your chargeable calls from home to your 2nd home, which would in turn force the 2nd home to make its chargeable calls to some fixed number, killing two birds with one stone ... Better still, from your mobile (using inclusive minutes), bouncing the calls to the landline in the 1st home at a time when they aren't charged. No other fixed number needed then. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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In uk.telecom John Rumm wrote:
Well if you want to get posh, a Draytek Vigor 2830 has triple wan capability, VPN termination and the ability to fall back to POTS modem dialup if required. Also various VoIP capabilities with POTS passthrough. (quite a decent router, and 802.11n wifi box as well) Oooh... I just had an evil idea. Drive a relay from a GPIO pin on your favourite lump of hardware. Use that relay to do loop-disconnect on the phone line. Write some software to generate pulses with appropriate timing. Take the phone off-hook (close the relay), click the relay to pulse dial your way to an appropriate number, wait for a bit, put the phone on-hook again. All you need is a relay and a power transistor to drive it, plus a few resistors and capacitors to imitate a phone. Theo |
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On Tuesday, 4 December 2012 23:00:30 UTC, Roger Mills wrote:
I've just renewed my BT Line Rental Saver contract for the line in my holiday flat (including free evening and weekend calls) and BT now seem to be imposing monthly - rather than quarterly - billing for customers using this deal. I'm pretty sure that, in order to continue to qualify for free Caller Display, etc., I still need to make a specified number of potentially chargeable calls each billing period. That wasn't a problem with quarterly billing because I was always at the flat often enough to make enough calls each quarter - most of which would be free evening calls to my answering machine at my main home! Yes, you do have to make 2 calls a month. I made the mistake of getting caller-ID switched on just before my monthly bill was due. As I didn't know about the change to monthly and hadn't made my 2 calls, they charged me for the whole month, even though I'd never had a chance to use it. In addition to the charge for caller-ID, there's the same 2 calls requirement for 1571 service, and maybe other things, so it adds up. However, there may be some times when I don't visit the flat for more than a month - so, with monthly billing, I may sometimes be unable to make the requisite number of calls. So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? Could you rig something on a timer to press the button on a speed-dial 'phone? If you don't want to get inside it, use a motorised cam or pulsed solenoid as a mechanical finger. More expensive unless you can get one secondhand, there are units for the elderly/infirm which make an emergency call to a carer on the press of a button. Their button is more easily replaced by a pulsed relay, and also they send a recorded message, so you know it's happened. Chris |
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Andrew Benham wrote:
Before I moved away from BT Retail, I used to call my doctor's surgery once every Sunday morning in order to make the required number of calls to keep Caller ID free. Weekend calls to 01/02/03 numbers were free, and the surgery (being closed) answered the call with a recorded message. Not just me then ;-) Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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Theo Markettos wrote:
All you need is a relay and a power transistor to drive it And a fake green triangle sticker? |
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On 06 Dec 2012 01:41:40 +0000 (GMT), Theo Markettos wrote:
Oooh... I just had an evil idea. Drive a relay from a GPIO pin on your favourite lump of hardware. Use that relay to do loop-disconnect on the phone line. snip All you need is a relay and a power transistor to drive it, plus a few resistors and capacitors to imitate a phone. For this just a resistor would do and you don't really need that just shorting the line will work. Of course this doesn't detect dialtone so if the line has gone faulty you won't know unless it's calling you. Basic dialtone detection should be fairly easy, if it doesn't detect it it could email you. Mind you if there isn't any dialtone the ADSL may well have gone kaput as well... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 05/12/2012 21:58, Bernard Peek wrote:
On 04/12/12 23:00, Roger Mills wrote: So - eventually getting to the point after a long preamble - can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? What you want to do really needs some sort of computer system. The cheapest way of doing it would be to use a Raspberry Pi costing around £30 but you can get an awful lot of phone calls for £30. Will it save you that much? It's not phone calls it would be saving, it's charges for services such as caller display - which are only free if you make enough qualifying calls (which, themselves, can be free!) I begrudge paying BT *anything* that I don't have to - even if it costs me a bit more in other ways! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 05/12/2012 22:48, Andy Burns wrote:
John Rumm wrote: The router could then be configured to relay incoming calls to a POTS number of your choice. So in effect you place a phone call that originates on the PSTN (or mobile networks), gets shifted onto VoIP by the SIP provider of choice, the router then received that "call" and is programmed to relay to another POTS line I like it, so you could make your chargeable calls from home to your 2nd home, which would in turn force the 2nd home to make its chargeable calls to some fixed number, killing two birds with one stone ... Thanks, I shall have to study that in a bit more detail. Incidentally, making the requisite number of calls from my main home isn't a problem because all our (free) evening and weekend calls go out via BT - courtesy of the Orchid Dialler. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 06/12/2012 00:39, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
Roger wrote: I'm pretty sure that, in order to continue to qualify for free Caller Display, etc., I still need to make a specified number of potentially chargeable calls each billing period. That wasn't a problem with quarterly billing because I was always at the flat often enough to make enough calls each quarter - most of which would be free evening calls to my answering machine at my main home! What's the cost of not getting free Caller Display etc? A few pounds per month - or I could do without it. What's the cost of visiting the flat? 250 mile round trip. Under normal circumstances, we try to spend about a week at the flat every month - but these visits are not entirely uniformly spaced so, with monthly billing, we may occasionally not visit it during a billing period. (As someone else hinted) how come the insurer of your flat is happy that it (may be) unlived-in for long periods? It's a policy for holiday homes which recognises that it's not lived in permanently. I presume you don't have all services turned off in this flat in your absence (because you say there's a permanent internet connection) so how do you check that there's been no floods, power-cuts etc? The electricity is left on. The water is turned off. The gas has, until recently, been turned off - but the insurer is now requiring a minimun temperature to be maintained during the winter months, so the gas has to be left on for that. The flat is part of a large house which has been converted into flats - some of which *are* lived in permanently - so the neighbours will alert me of any major problems, but don't enter my actual flat routinely. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 05/12/12 22:09, Andy Burns wrote:
Bernard Peek wrote: What you want to do really needs some sort of computer system. The VoIP adapter I suggested has all the intelligence required. The cheapest way of doing it would be to use a Raspberry Pi costing around £30 but you can get an awful lot of phone calls for £30. Will it save you that much? If you happen not to make the required two chargeable calls per month, they charge you £1.50/month for not making the calls and £2.70/month for the otherwise-free caller-id. OK. If OP is going to be there to make the necessary calls every other month then the savings will be about £25 per year. How much effort is that worth? -- Bernard Peek |
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On 06/12/2012 13:13, Bernard Peek wrote:
On 05/12/12 22:09, Andy Burns wrote: Bernard Peek wrote: What you want to do really needs some sort of computer system. The VoIP adapter I suggested has all the intelligence required. The cheapest way of doing it would be to use a Raspberry Pi costing around £30 but you can get an awful lot of phone calls for £30. Will it save you that much? If you happen not to make the required two chargeable calls per month, they charge you £1.50/month for not making the calls and £2.70/month for the otherwise-free caller-id. OK. If OP is going to be there to make the necessary calls every other month then the savings will be about £25 per year. How much effort is that worth? It's difficult to justify more than a few quid on purely financial grounds. I guess I need to assess the value of the satisfaction of depriving BT of a few bob! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 06/12/2012 01:08, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:48:02 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: John Rumm wrote: The router could then be configured to relay incoming calls to a POTS number of your choice. So in effect you place a phone call that originates on the PSTN (or mobile networks), gets shifted onto VoIP by the SIP provider of choice, the router then received that "call" and is programmed to relay to another POTS line I like it, so you could make your chargeable calls from home to your 2nd home, which would in turn force the 2nd home to make its chargeable calls to some fixed number, killing two birds with one stone ... Better still, from your mobile (using inclusive minutes), bouncing the calls to the landline in the 1st home at a time when they aren't charged. No other fixed number needed then. This is all getting a bit complicated! It seems to me that what I want is the sort of thing that old people use for dialling out automatically when they press a panic button. Then, as long as I could pre-define the destination of the call, all I would need would be some way of remotely "pressing the button". Could probably even use a timer to do it (say) at midnight every Saturday night. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 23:09:25 UTC, Andy Burns
wrote: Roger Mills wrote: can anyone suggest the best way of making calls from the flat without actually being there? A VoIP adapter (e.g SPA3102) with an ethernet connection to the ADSL router, and PSTN connection to the phone line, you could then make a VoIP call "in" to the ATA which it is configured to dial "out" via the PSTN Would you care to enlarge on *how* you get it to do that please? And yes Brian, they do need to be answered. -- Regards Dave Saville |
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