We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.
--
Graeme

On 17/10/2012 21:34, News wrote:

We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.

What do you want to use it for?

16 GB is plenty for my use. But might be very much less than you need.
Always remember the cloud - whether that is iCloud, Dropbox, or whatever
else.

You do know they are launching new 7-inch models on 23rd October?
Possibly to be available from November 2nd.

And there are some very nice other tablets these days. Partner is rather
taken by the Samsung Note 10.1 with its very clever stylus.

And the other big question - 3G or not 3G!

--
Rod

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:34:05 +0100, News wrote:


We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.

Save your cash, you don't NEED an iPad, as the purchase price is just the
start. Once the Apple lock-in begins, you will start hemorrhaging money
on content, and the more you buy, the more you are locked in.

If you really NEED a tablet, as far better media consumption device would
be something like this:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/5088917.htm

(although holding out a few days, the 32GB model will be £199, and the
16GB £159.), no lock in, you can put whatever content you wish on there,
without needing to clear it thru Apple first.


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The display on the iPad is its real selling point though, I have the nice
Asus pad and an iPad and the Android one spends most of it's time in the
cupboard because the iPad is just so pleasant to use.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:44:45 +0100, lee wrote:

The display on the iPad is its real selling point though, I have the nice
Asus pad and an iPad and the Android one spends most of it's time in the
cupboard because the iPad is just so pleasant to use.

Whats so special about the display, that it's got some bull**** "Retina"
branding? It's just a IPS panel with a specific pixel density (264
Pixels/Inch to be exact) that many other tablets have already exceeded
(for example the Samsung Galaxy Note II)

The Nexus7 is only a little behind the ipad3 pixel density (at 216 PPI),
and my Xperia S smartphone (342 PPI) far exceeds it and the iPhone5's
(PPI326)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._density#Apple

So take away the bull**** Apple branding and look at the raw pixel
densities, and yes the Apple products are OK, but there are several that
are better, and the Nexus7 costing half the price and being far more
functional is a total steal.


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MaRKg123 wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:44:45 +0100, lee wrote:

The display on the iPad is its real selling point

Whats so special about the display, that it's got some bull**** "Retina"
branding? It's just a IPS panel with a specific pixel density (264
Pixels/Inch to be exact) that many other tablets have already exceeded

HTC have a 5" 1920x1080 display that's 440dpi

http://www.itproportal.com/2012/10/1...creen-display/

I'm not sure why anyone would want an Ipad. no flash so how can it be used
to stream anything?
its also overpriced compared to other models from what I can see.

Brian

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"News" wrote in message
...

We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.
--
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"Brian Gaff" wrote:
I'm not sure why anyone would want an Ipad. no flash so how can it be used
to stream anything?

Really? Mine plays live TV, iPlayer etc. but of course there are some
videos it won't play.

its also overpriced compared to other models from what I can see.

That's probably true but they are nice toys.

Tim

In message
772994263372233758.826651timdownie2003-nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk@reader80.
eternal-september.org, Tim+
writes
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

its also overpriced compared to other models from what I can see.

That's probably true but they are nice toys.

Thanks for all the comments. I think Tim has summarised perfectly.
Wifey and son have decided 'we' need a family ipad, and I seriously
doubt that Samsung or anything else will be an acceptable substitute.

Yes, I agree, it is all about marketing. An Apple ipad is the device to
have, apparently. There comes a point where disagreeing with the family
is beyond me - life is too short.
--
Graeme

News wrote:

it is all about marketing. An Apple ipad is the device to
have, apparently. There comes a point where disagreeing with the family
is beyond me - life is too short.

Make sure the same rule is applied when she wants you to have a Mondeo
but you want an XK ...

"News" wrote in message
...

We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.
--
Graeme

Start saving because in a couple of years time, Apple will have stopped
updating your iPan, family will want "that latest must have app" and your
iPad will need replacing. I admit to being a "PC/Android not Apple" person
but it's the deliberate obsolescence which annoys me most - perfectly good
hardware unable to do anything because Apple don't support older hardware
for very long.

Paul DS.

On 18/10/2012 08:01, News wrote:
In message
772994263372233758.826651timdownie2003-nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk@reader80.
eternal-september.org, Tim+ writes
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

its also overpriced compared to other models from what I can see.

That's probably true but they are nice toys.

Thanks for all the comments. I think Tim has summarised perfectly.
Wifey and son have decided 'we' need a family ipad, and I seriously
doubt that Samsung or anything else will be an acceptable substitute.

Yes, I agree, it is all about marketing. An Apple ipad is the device to
have, apparently. There comes a point where disagreeing with the family
is beyond me - life is too short.

I bought an iPad about 6 months ago for similar reasons. (Family, kids etc!)
I have used android tablets and (on the type I used at least) found them
slow and clunky to use. I assume more recent ones are better in this
respect.

I bought the 32GB 3G ipad as I figured the built-in mobile and GPS
reciever would be useful.

6 months on the kids love it, wife uses it a lot for everything from
Facebook to recipies in the kitchen to watching the F1 in bed!
I use it for quick surfing and email mainly, but I have found it very
useful when out-and-about with a cheap PAYG sim in it, and with
navigation software such as 'NavFree'. It has made my netbook redundant.
I bought a French Orange PAYG sim in the summer for 3 weeks in France,
which came in handy many times.

I disagree with the comments above about having to constantly pay apple.
There are very few apps I've paid for, most are free, with the
occesional £2 and under one.

On 18/10/2012 09:13, AlanD wrote:
On 18/10/2012 08:01, News wrote:
In message
772994263372233758.826651timdownie2003-nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk@reader80.
eternal-september.org, Tim+
writes
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

its also overpriced compared to other models from what I can see.

That's probably true but they are nice toys.

Thanks for all the comments. I think Tim has summarised perfectly.
Wifey and son have decided 'we' need a family ipad, and I seriously
doubt that Samsung or anything else will be an acceptable substitute.

Yes, I agree, it is all about marketing. An Apple ipad is the device to
have, apparently. There comes a point where disagreeing with the family
is beyond me - life is too short.

I bought an iPad about 6 months ago for similar reasons. (Family, kids
etc!)
I have used android tablets and (on the type I used at least) found them
slow and clunky to use. I assume more recent ones are better in this
respect.

I bought the 32GB 3G ipad as I figured the built-in mobile and GPS
reciever would be useful.

6 months on the kids love it, wife uses it a lot for everything from
Facebook to recipies in the kitchen to watching the F1 in bed!
I use it for quick surfing and email mainly, but I have found it very
useful when out-and-about with a cheap PAYG sim in it, and with
navigation software such as 'NavFree'. It has made my netbook redundant.
I bought a French Orange PAYG sim in the summer for 3 weeks in France,
which came in handy many times.

I disagree with the comments above about having to constantly pay apple.
There are very few apps I've paid for, most are free, with the
occesional £2 and under one.

I thought the comment was more directed at "content" - tracks, video,
etc. ? But that does not affect me - I don't pay for any!

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"News" wrote in message
...
In message
772994263372233758.826651timdownie2003-nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk@reader80.
eternal-september.org, Tim+
writes
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

its also overpriced compared to other models from what I can see.

That's probably true but they are nice toys.

Thanks for all the comments. I think Tim has summarised perfectly. Wifey
and son have decided 'we' need a family ipad, and I seriously doubt that
Samsung or anything else will be an acceptable substitute.

Yes, I agree, it is all about marketing. An Apple ipad is the device to
have, apparently. There comes a point where disagreeing with the family
is beyond me - life is too short.
--
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Putting aside comsuner brainwashing, the Samsung is a better product and the
cost/benefit is greater.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:13:21 +0100, AlanD
wrote:


I have used android tablets and (on the type I used at least) found them
slow and clunky to use. I assume more recent ones are better in this
respect.


The problem with Android is that it's not a single product, it's a
ecosystem. You can buy a £59 Android tablet, or a £500 one, and clearly
the quality and performance will be worlds apart. THey will of course
both serve the same basic function, and use the same apps, but thats it.

What Android tablet was slow and clunky exactly, and how much did you
pay? As clearly to make that statement a fair statement, it would have
had to be £399+ (iPad money), as anything else is comparing apples and
oranges.

I stand by my statement, that the Nexus7 is the best tablet on the market
today bar none. It's fantastic performance, no lag whatsoever, has a
balanced featureset which keeps the cost and weight down. Sure it's got
no 3G (but then that's what mobile tethering and wifi hotspots are for),
and no rear facing camera that makes you look a dickhead when you take
pictures with it. But it's got everything else the iPad has (GPS etc) and
more besides (NFC for example)

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In article ,
News wrote:
We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.

Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

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"Paul D Smith" wrote in message
...
"News" wrote in message
...

We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.
--
Graeme

Start saving because in a couple of years time, Apple will have stopped
updating your iPan, family will want "that latest must have app" and your
iPad will need replacing. I admit to being a "PC/Android not Apple"
person but it's the deliberate obsolescence which annoys me most -
perfectly good hardware unable to do anything because Apple don't support
older hardware for very long.

I have Galaxy S2. It was much cheaper and superior to the i-phone - display
and ease of use is better. Android is UNIX based and stable with more apps
available. The Galaxy range is still superior to the i-phone range despite
the new i-phone 5. The Galaxy 4 is coming out in a matter of months and
promises to totally outstrip the i-phone. Samsung are very secretive about
the 4.

It is true about being locked into Apple. They are vertically integrated in
hardware and software. You are their mercy.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:34:20 PM UTC+1, News wrote:
We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given

the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,

but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to

modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The

size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing

this on has 228GB.

--

Graeme

This stirs up the whole religious debate about Apple vs others, but the real question is what you want
to do with it. Personally, I've always thought of the whole concept as an elegant solution looking for a
problem, but would still rather like one (!)
I know quite a few people with iPads (fewer with other variants) and I've never heard any of them
complain about storage limitations. Many of the people I work with use them to take documents to
meetings, create things on the go etc etc, but this doesn't really require much storage.
If you're thinking it would be good to have a full set of music and movies on one, then you'll fill the
space very quickly, but they are really designed to work alongside a host machine where the bulk of
everything is stored.
My gadget-boy son has an iPad and even he has never whinged about storage. He seems to use it
more for web browsing though, with all his music on his iPhone.
As previously mentioned, printing etc from an iPad can be a bit of a faff but then there are many WiFi
printers around now.

In article om, AlanD
writes

I bought an iPad about 6 months ago for similar reasons. (Family, kids etc!)
I have used android tablets and (on the type I used at least) found them
slow and clunky to use. I assume more recent ones are better in this
respect.

I bought the 32GB 3G ipad as I figured the built-in mobile and GPS
reciever would be useful.

6 months on the kids love it, wife uses it a lot for everything from
Facebook to recipies in the kitchen to watching the F1 in bed!
I use it for quick surfing and email mainly, but I have found it very
useful when out-and-about with a cheap PAYG sim in it, and with
navigation software such as 'NavFree'. It has made my netbook redundant.
I bought a French Orange PAYG sim in the summer for 3 weeks in France,
which came in handy many times.

V useful info, thanks (currently in similar posn). Who do you use for
the UK PAYG data and how much do you find you use?
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On Oct 18, 8:05*am, News wrote:
In message
772994263372233758.826651timdownie2003-nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk@reader80.
eternal-september.org, Tim+
writes

"Brian Gaff" wrote:
*its also overpriced compared to other models from what I can see.

That's probably true but they are nice toys.

Thanks for all the comments. *I think Tim has summarised perfectly.
Wifey and son have decided 'we' need a family ipad,

Divorce them now, before it's too late. They will bleed you dry with
tastes like that.

MBQ

On Oct 18, 10:03*am, MarkG wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:13:21 +0100, AlanD
wrote:

I have used android tablets and (on the type I used at least) found them
slow and clunky to use. I assume more recent ones are better in this
respect.

The problem with Android is that it's not a single product, it's a
ecosystem. * You can buy a £59 Android tablet, or a £500 one, and clearly
the quality and performance will be worlds apart.

That's a clear benefit, not a problem.

MBQ

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
News wrote:
We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.

Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.


I haven't tried it since I don't have an iPad, but what about a wireless
(WiFi) printer?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
News wrote:
We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given
the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,
but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to
modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The
size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing
this on has 228GB.

Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even my
phone does it.


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On 17/10/2012 23:47, MaRKg123 wrote:

Whats so special about the display, that it's got some bull**** "Retina"
branding? It's just a IPS panel with a specific pixel density (264
Pixels/Inch to be exact) that many other tablets have already exceeded
(for example the Samsung Galaxy Note II)
And does it have a resolution of 2048x1536? Ppi is only one factor, the
more important factor to me is the actual resolution which in the case
of the iPad allows for better font smoothing and a better web experience
with a bit less scrolling.
A big part of my usage of the iPad is web browsing and the display of
web pages is just so much better that any of the Android tablets I've tried.
I'm not even going to get into the debate about how poor the Android
browser is (though Chrome is a little better) or even worse Firefox
mobile - even on my quad-core Galaxy S3 the browser is so slow it's
painful compared to Safari on the iPad on the same wifi connection.

On paper most of the specs of my Android pad are better than the ipad,
faster CPU, faster GPU and more memory, it's the OS that's letting it
down and that doesn't look to be improving that much either - I have
"Jelly Bean" on my pad and it doesn't improve the things I want it to
improve.
Yes there are major advantages in Android over Ios/Apple, but it depends
what you want to do with your device and and the moment the those
advantages are being outweighed by the Apple device simply doing what I
need it to do, better.

Lee

On 18/10/2012 10:00, MarkG wrote:

I stand by my statement, that the Nexus7 is the best tablet on the
market today bar none. It's fantastic performance, no lag whatsoever,
has a balanced featureset

Again, depends what you want it for, it's a nice and perfectly
serviceable device. On paper the specs are exactly the same as my
slightly larger screened Asus pad, but to me neither of them feel quite
as smooth or refined as The Competition for the tasks I want them to do.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:19:04 +0100, Man at B&Q
wrote:

On Oct 18, 10:03 am, MarkG wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:13:21 +0100, AlanD

wrote:

I have used android tablets and (on the type I used at least) found
them
slow and clunky to use. I assume more recent ones are better in this
respect.

The problem with Android is that it's not a single product, it's a
ecosystem. You can buy a £59 Android tablet, or a £500 one, and
clearly
the quality and performance will be worlds apart.

That's a clear benefit, not a problem.

MBQ


It's a benefit to those smart enough to understand it, but a problem for
the idiots that don't. Androids are not created equal, and you pays your
money and takes your choice. You want a keyboard, there is an Android got
you, you want one that's waterproof and drop-proof, there's one for you,
you want to pay £70, there's one for you. You want to pay £450, there's
one for you too..

The great thing in, the CHOICE (something Apple owners don't have), and
even better, is that your £70 purchase of a ZTE BLade (or whatever), means
when when your requirements change, your next phone just works, sign in,
all your contacts, calendar and apps come with you.

It's laughable how misguided Apple fanboys are, the only things they know
about Android are what Steve Jobs told them.

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On 18/10/2012 13:02, Lee wrote:
with a bit less scrolling.

Better qualify that before someone jumps on it, iPad reports browsing
resolution at 768*1024 which is scaled up to fit the display allowing
for various trickery to make the image look smooth. I find I almost
never have to zoom the display to read anything. Unless it's stupidly
tiny text.
My Phone reports 720*1280 when browsing, but at that resolution you
can't clearly see small text on the screen without zooming, unless your
eyes are much better than mine which results in more scrolling.
Similar on the Android pad, although it's a bigger screen the text isn't
as clear as the iPad and I find I need to zoom some pages, though
obviously not as much as the phone.

Again this is about me, although I don't need reading glasses others may
have better vision and may find the other devices more readable than me
without needing to zoom as much.

On 18/10/2012 13:50, MarkG wrote:

Androids are not created equal, and you pays
your money and takes your choice.
The great thing in, the CHOICE (something Apple owners don't have)


Fragmentation is a problem for mobile gaming though, if you want
something better than Angry Birds or Cut the rope
Apps are frequently written to the lowest common denominator - and why
wouldn't you - to maximise appeal/sales.

It's laughable how misguided Apple fanboys are, the only things they
know about Android are what Steve Jobs told them.


What about us that own both ios and Android devices and can think for
ourselves, are we still fanbois for preferring a device that can do
*some* things better?

Lee

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:20:22 PM UTC+1, Lee wrote:
On 18/10/2012 10:00, MarkG wrote:



I stand by my statement, that the Nexus7 is the best tablet on the

market today bar none. It's fantastic performance, no lag whatsoever,

has a balanced featureset



Again, depends what you want it for, it's a nice and perfectly

serviceable device. On paper the specs are exactly the same as my

slightly larger screened Asus pad, but to me neither of them feel quite

as smooth or refined as The Competition for the tasks I want them to do.

I bought SWMBO an Ipad last year as I was fed up watching her trying to 'surf' on an Itouch.

She loves it

I can't stand it. Hairdresser's toy.

I now have a Nexus 7. Much better size. Much more convenient to use and carry Perfectly suited to email and web browsing. I can link it via bluetooth to my phone if I need to go on line whilst out and about. Response to touch screen inputs is equal to the Ipad. It shares a usb type charger lead with one of my phones, with the Kindle, and many other items. Nothing proprietory here. Bloody Ipad wont charge with an Iphone charger I have. I can connect a card reader to it if I need it.

I mean who needs to carry something the size of a dinner plate around with them. Passenger beside me on a recent flight was using one to listen to music. ****. Totally un-suitable IMHO, it looked ridiculous propped up on his table but perhaps thats what it was about. Look at me with my Ipad, and have you ever seen anyone using one to take a picture. Doofus re-defined.

Anyway with the demise of St Steve Apple have now seen the light and are bringing out a sensibly sized tablet.

MarkG wrote:
Abdroid v Apple

The great thing in, the CHOICE (something Apple owners don't have), and
even better, is that your £70 purchase of a ZTE BLade (or whatever),
means when when your requirements change, your next phone just works,
sign in, all your contacts, calendar and apps come with you.

I have what is described by the makers as an Android Home Tablet. It's
made by Archos, and I can't buy or download apps from the normal Android
app store, I'm locked in to Archos's own store. About all it's useful
for is a spot of surfing, but it won't play Flash (Not supported, even
via a couple of transcoding sites I've found), so any BBC programmes and
a ot of newspaper websites are out of bounds...

It won't play .mpeg or .vob movie files, only XVid and DVix. It can be
used to play Angry Bids (just about), but the screen display is the
wrong size. Too big for the phone version, too small for the tablet
version, so you're shooting blind. All the music players available for
it (Even Winamp) refuse to sort mp3 tracks by filename, but insist on
sorting by the Metadata tags, which is a real PITA when all the other
music players I use sort by filename. And so on.

I mention this so that people are aware that not all Android devices
"Just work" and may not be compatible with other Android devices or
common standards.

The iPad Retina display is the 2048 x 1536 definition quoted by Apple,
but downscaled in the OS by quite a large factor, using smoothing to
make it look better while retaining the invisibility of the individual
pixels. For some reason, they don't make a fuss about this.
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John.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:01:23 +0100, News wrote:
Yes, I agree, it is all about marketing.

No, it's about getting a job done according to various metrics such as
cost, performance, longevity etc. and if it doesn't do what you need or
something else does it better then don't buy it.

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:47:22 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth wrote:

Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no
easy way of printing from it.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

FSVO "printing", from what I have heard you are restricted to a small
range of printers that Apple deem acceptable.

Also iPads are 10" devices, which is quite big to comfortably hold in one
hand. I've a Samsung Tab II 7.0, just the right size for the hand, will
fit into a large pocket. Only 4G of available storeage but that is more
than ample for my needs of email/web browsing and equipment manuals.

3G or not 3G? That is a question. But as some one else said that is why
you have mobile tethering and WiFi hotspots. If you have a 3G tablet and
3G phone that's two lots of dosh to the mobile operators. GPRS is slow
but OK for email (with a proper client, not web mail...).

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 18/10/2012 14:06, fred wrote:



I mean who needs to carry something the size of a dinner plate around with them. Passenger beside me on a recent flight was using one to listen to music. ****. Totally un-suitable IMHO, it looked ridiculous propped up on his table but perhaps thats what it was about. Look at me with my Ipad, and have you ever seen anyone using one to take a picture. Doofus re-defined.

I have a nice phone with a nearly 5" screen, a 7" tablet doesn't give me
any real benefit which is why I have a bigger tablet to complement it,
where it's appropriate. The point is well made.

Anyway with the demise of St Steve Apple have now seen the light and are bringing out a sensibly sized tablet.


Be interesting to see how well it sells against the phone and the touch
though, apart from the usual suspects who will buy it regardless.

On 18/10/2012 14:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:47:22 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth wrote:

Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no
easy way of printing from it.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

FSVO "printing", from what I have heard you are restricted to a small
range of printers that Apple deem acceptable.

Also iPads are 10" devices, which is quite big to comfortably hold in one
hand. I've a Samsung Tab II 7.0, just the right size for the hand, will
fit into a large pocket. Only 4G of available storeage but that is more
than ample for my needs of email/web browsing and equipment manuals.

3G or not 3G? That is a question. But as some one else said that is why
you have mobile tethering and WiFi hotspots. If you have a 3G tablet and
3G phone that's two lots of dosh to the mobile operators. GPRS is slow
but OK for email (with a proper client, not web mail...).

But the issue is often that contracts (or PAYG) do not allow tethering.
Those that do tend to be the expensive packages - O2 allow but their
cost per MB is high.

--
Rod

Lee wrote:
On 18/10/2012 13:50, MarkG wrote:

Androids are not created equal, and you pays
your money and takes your choice.
The great thing in, the CHOICE (something Apple owners don't have)


Fragmentation is a problem for mobile gaming though, if you want
something better than Angry Birds or Cut the rope
Apps are frequently written to the lowest common denominator - and why
wouldn't you - to maximise appeal/sales.

Everyone says lowest common denominator when they actually mean highest
common factor,.

Which if you take all the ranges of taste and intelligence and express
them as a range from 0 to 100, will get no higher than one, ever.



It's laughable how misguided Apple fanboys are, the only things they
know about Android are what Steve Jobs told them.


What about us that own both ios and Android devices and can think for
ourselves, are we still fanbois for preferring a device that can do
*some* things better?

Lee


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Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 18/10/2012 14:46, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Everyone says lowest common denominator when they actually mean highest
common factor,.


ISWYM.
Though in the case of certain mobile games I think I'll stick with "lcd"
as it's quite apt

Lee

On Oct 18, 2:06*pm, fred wrote:
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:20:22 PM UTC+1, Lee wrote:
On 18/10/2012 10:00, MarkG wrote:

I stand by my statement, that the Nexus7 is the best tablet on the

market today bar none. * It's fantastic performance, no lag whatsoever,

has a balanced featureset

Again, depends what you want it for, it's a nice and perfectly

serviceable device. On paper the specs are exactly the same as my

slightly larger screened Asus pad, but to me neither of them feel quite

as smooth or refined as The Competition for the tasks I want them to do..

I bought SWMBO an Ipad last year as I was fed up watching her trying to 'surf' on an Itouch.

She loves it

I can't stand it. Hairdresser's toy.

I now have a Nexus 7. Much better size. Much more convenient to use and carry Perfectly suited to email and web browsing. I can link it via bluetooth to my phone if I need to go on line whilst out and about. Response to touch screen inputs is equal to the Ipad. It shares a usb type charger lead with one of my phones, with the Kindle, and many other items. Nothing proprietory here. Bloody Ipad wont charge with an Iphone charger I have. I can connect a card reader to it if I need it.

And it's all changing again on the next generation. Replace all your
docks/cables. But you bought Apple, you can afford it.

MBQ

"Paul D Smith" wrote:
"News" wrote in message
...

deliberate obsolescence which annoys me most - perfectly good hardware
unable to do anything because Apple don't support older hardware for very
long.

That's a wild exaggeration. I've had the original iPad since it was first
launched and it does everything I want of it.

--
Nige Danton - Replace the obvious with g.m.a.i.l

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.