AlanD wrote:

I disagree with the comments above about having to constantly pay apple.
There are very few apps I've paid for, most are free, with the occesional £2 and under one.

Agreed. There have been only 2 or 3 Apps that I have needed and required
payment and those that did were trivial cost. I read usenet on my iPad with
NewsTap, and it's free.
--
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Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.

So "print" "OK" is not easy in your book? How do you cope with zips and
buttons?

--
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_/ _/

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

Fairly obviously you need a wifi connected printer. Without that you're not
going to get far. You can use just about any old printer connected to a
Linux box but the setup may be a bit tedious for some. Other than that a
printer attached to a Mac attached to a network attached to WiFi.

In Safari you then select "print" which is on the same menu as "mail" and
"tweet". when you select print you get a dialogue that lets you select
which printer and the number of copies.

It's all considerably easier if you have an AirPrint capable printer which
iirc is most of the consumer models. It's well summarised he

http://www.macworld.com/article/1166...irpri nt.html

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_/ _/

Dave Liquorice wrote:

FSVO "printing", from what I have heard you are restricted to a small
range of printers that Apple deem acceptable.

No.

As to 3g or not 3g. Part of the question is "do you want GPS". If you do
then you need to have 3g because the GPS chip is part of the 3g module
so it's not present in the WiFi only iPads.

In message
, Man
at B&Q writes
On Oct 18, 8:05*am, News wrote:

Thanks for all the comments. *I think Tim has summarised perfectly.
Wifey and son have decided 'we' need a family ipad,

Divorce them now, before it's too late. They will bleed you dry with
tastes like that.

ROFL! Best answer yet :-)
--
Graeme

On 18/10/2012 16:42, Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.


http://netputing.com/handyprint/

"dennis@home" wrote:
On 18/10/2012 13:20, Lee wrote:
On 18/10/2012 10:00, MarkG wrote:

I stand by my statement, that the Nexus7 is the best tablet on the
market today bar none. It's fantastic performance, no lag whatsoever,
has a balanced featureset

Again, depends what you want it for, it's a nice and perfectly
serviceable device. On paper the specs are exactly the same as my
slightly larger screened Asus pad, but to me neither of them feel quite
as smooth or refined as The Competition for the tasks I want them to do.



I have a win 7 touch screen laptop with finger and pen input and it walks
over android and ipads.
Its only problem is battery life, but I have three batteries if I need them.

The new win8rt surfaces will be interesting.

I want a surface equivalent with an I5 cpu and a dual touch and pen display though.

So it doesn't do multi-touch and it's got crap battery life.

Sounds like it's missing at least two major attributes and probably more.

Tim

In article op.wmc9yltfxafqef@desktop, MarkG wrote:

I stand by my statement, that the Nexus7 is the best tablet on the market
today bar none. It's fantastic performance, no lag whatsoever, has a
balanced featureset which keeps the cost and weight down.

For home use, maybe (although personally I prefer the iPad). Beware for
business use though...

Android to exchange is a whole world of pain, it doesn't support activesync
correctly and is inconsistant between builds.

We are also seeing no end of problems with jelly bean...

Around 60-70% of our mobile users are on iOS devices, around 25Â% on
android.

Our support load is by far the opposite - more like 85-90% android problems
and 10% iOS.

Also beware the life of android (this might be more relevant for phones than
tablets admittedly). There aren't many Android devices that will still be
upgradable to the latest build 18 months into a 24 month contract. Not
always a problem, but annoying.

The biggest issue with any tablet is to buy a decent one, and that generally
means an iPad priced one. The cheaper ones are frustrating. It's just that
Apple don't bother with the cheaper end of the market - all of their
tablets (and I guess, all of their products really) are well into the premium
end. They come with a premium price tag as well! (except maybe the ultrabook
market - hard to find much comparable with a macbook air - we've been trying!)

Darren





Darren


Sure it's got
no 3G (but then that's what mobile tethering and wifi hotspots are for),
and no rear facing camera that makes you look a dickhead when you take
pictures with it. But it's got everything else the iPad has (GPS etc) and
more besides (NFC for example)

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In article ,
fred wrote:
with my Ipad, and have you ever seen anyone using one to take a picture.
Doofus re-defined.

I was amazed watching the olympics just how many people in the crowds
were taking photos with them! I can see the point of a decent camera in
a phone, but a huge tablet??

Darren

In article ,
Paul D Smith wrote:
"News" wrote in message
...

Start saving because in a couple of years time, Apple will have stopped
updating your iPan,

Unlike android phones where they will have been abandoned long before
a 24 month contract is up...

Dunno about tablets, but for phones the iphone is a device with a longer
support life than pretty much all android ones (ignoring unofficial hacks
to update them - that's not home simple use).

I admit to being a "PC/Android not Apple" person
but it's the deliberate obsolescence which annoys me most - perfectly good
hardware unable to do anything because Apple don't support older hardware
for very long.

Again, In my experience Apple are one of the better companies for supporting
older devices, Android being one of the worse platforms for this.

3GS is well over 3 years old - and is still supported with the recently
release iOS6. How many 3 year old android phones have a supported upgrade
path?

Darren - admittedly, a bit of an apple fan, but an owner of a touchpad
running ICS

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:44:56 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.

So "print" "OK" is not easy in your book? How do you cope with zips and
buttons?

Yes, once you've set it up it's easy. Finding a kludge to get round
the Apple way isn't so easy.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:59:13 +0100, RJH wrote:

On 18/10/2012 16:42, Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.


http://netputing.com/handyprint/

You make my point. Instead of being able to print to any networked
printer, you have to have a mac switched on and running an interface
programme.

D.M.Chapman wrote:
In article ,
fred wrote:
with my Ipad, and have you ever seen anyone using one to take a picture.
Doofus re-defined.

I was amazed watching the olympics just how many people in the crowds
were taking photos with them! I can see the point of a decent camera in
a phone, but a huge tablet??

If you're carrying it anyway....

It makes me think of the days when photographers used to carry
half-plate cameras and boxes of plates to events.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 18/10/2012 21:26, Tim+ wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote:
On 18/10/2012 13:20, Lee wrote:
On 18/10/2012 10:00, MarkG wrote:

I stand by my statement, that the Nexus7 is the best tablet on the
market today bar none. It's fantastic performance, no lag whatsoever,
has a balanced featureset

Again, depends what you want it for, it's a nice and perfectly
serviceable device. On paper the specs are exactly the same as my
slightly larger screened Asus pad, but to me neither of them feel quite
as smooth or refined as The Competition for the tasks I want them to do.



I have a win 7 touch screen laptop with finger and pen input and it walks
over android and ipads.
Its only problem is battery life, but I have three batteries if I need them.

The new win8rt surfaces will be interesting.

I want a surface equivalent with an I5 cpu and a dual touch and pen display though.

So it doesn't do multi-touch and it's got crap battery life.

Sounds like it's missing at least two major attributes and probably more.

It does four point touch, despite what apple say multitouch has been
around for a while.

Where is the pressure sensitive pen input on the iPad and/or android tabs?

I have enough batteries to last about 10 hours. 8-)


As for missing bits..

external monitor
750G disk
3 usb ports
expresscard slot
ethernet
dvd writer
keyboard

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:06:47 +0100, Lee wrote:

On 18/10/2012 13:50, MarkG wrote:

Androids are not created equal, and you pays
your money and takes your choice.
The great thing in, the CHOICE (something Apple owners don't have)


Fragmentation is a problem for mobile gaming though, if you want
something better than Angry Birds or Cut the rope
Apps are frequently written to the lowest common denominator - and why
wouldn't you - to maximise appeal/sales.

Really, that's utter bull**** (again started by Jobs). Android is no
more fragmented than iOS. Infact in many ways, Android is better,
Google go to great lengths to ensure backwards compatibility libraries to
enable older OS versions to use the latest Android SDK features.

Sure there are different hardware specs to deal with, but that's simple
enough to deal with, and the market filtering options is superb.

--
Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was
fairly certain.

Fairly obviously you need a wifi connected printer.

He has that.

Without that you're
not going to get far. You can use just about any old printer connected
to a Linux box but the setup may be a bit tedious for some.

Linux only?

Other than
that a printer attached to a Mac attached to a network attached to WiFi.

Probably explains it - he uses a PC for normal stuff.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 18/10/2012 22:28, Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:59:13 +0100, RJH wrote:

On 18/10/2012 16:42, Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.


http://netputing.com/handyprint/

You make my point. Instead of being able to print to any networked
printer, you have to have a mac switched on and running an interface
programme.


Fits my definition of 'easy' :-)

Bill Taylor wrote:
[snip]

You make my point. Instead of being able to print to any networked
printer, you have to have a mac switched on and running an interface
programme.

No you don't.


--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:44:56 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.

So "print" "OK" is not easy in your book? How do you cope with zips and
buttons?

Yes, once you've set it up it's easy. Finding a kludge to get round
the Apple way isn't so easy.

Given that just about every main brand consumer printer supports AurPrint
why would you need to "kludge" anything? You sound like one of those people
who tries to find fault because it's Apple.

Go on, explain how easy it is to set up printing for Android.

--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was
fairly certain.

Fairly obviously you need a wifi connected printer.

He has that.

Without that you're
not going to get far. You can use just about any old printer connected
to a Linux box but the setup may be a bit tedious for some.

Linux only?

Other than
that a printer attached to a Mac attached to a network attached to WiFi.

Probably explains it - he uses a PC for normal stuff.

If he's lucky and has an AirPrint printer (bought in the last two years
from HP, Epson or Canon then no computer necessary. Linux not required
either but there are some simple hacks for Linux to make Linux advertise a
non-existent AirPrint printer that echoes output to whatever printer us
attached to the Linux box.

The Macworld article gives a good summary. Lots of options ranging from no
setup required at all to "bit of a hack but supports almost any printer". I
think some NAS boxes come preconfigured to support AirPrint.

--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

MaRKg123 wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:06:47 +0100, Lee wrote:



Really, that's utter bull**** (again started by Jobs). Android is no
more fragmented than iOS. Infact in many ways, Android is better,
Google go to great lengths to ensure backwards compatibility libraries to
enable older OS versions to use the latest Android SDK features.

Sure there are different hardware specs to deal with, but that's simple
enough to deal with, and the market filtering options is superb.

The store is full of complaints about compatibility, are all the
complainers wrong ? Make the system too open and people install things that
break other apps- not much you can do about that.
Which particular hardware do you code for? Don't say all of them because
you know people are simply not going to do that, they are going to code for
either the most popular devices or the one they personally have.
So some apps either don't work or are not optimised for particular devices.

When I upgraded my original Galaxy to an S3 I naively expected all my
previous apps to work of course not all of them did. Normal expectation is
that apps written for low end devices would always work with higher end
devices, but this doesn't seem to work in the Android ecosystem. Plus the
"phone" apps that won't work properly on a tablet.
I assume this situation will get better with time, like it did with the
varying PC hardware, but to say it isn't fragmented at the moment is
ignoring the evidence.

dennis@home wrote:

Where is the pressure sensitive pen input on the iPad and/or android tabs?

http://developer.samsung.com/s-pen-sdk

I have enough batteries to last about 10 hours. 8-)

And what's the effective size and weight of this wonder laptop with all
of them?

Steve Firth wrote:

just about every main brand consumer printer supports AurPrint

Only for fairly new models, given that Apple 'own' CUPS, why bother to
re-invent the wheel, why not just use CUPS + IPP?

You sound like one of those people
who tries to find fault because it's Apple.

And you sound like on of those who defend *whatever* they do.

Go on, explain how easy it is to set up printing for Android.

Agreed it not straightforward either, especially if you don't like the
idea of your print job taking a round trip through the cloud.

On 18/10/2012 23:41, Steve Firth wrote:
Bill Taylor wrote:
[snip]

You make my point. Instead of being able to print to any networked
printer, you have to have a mac switched on and running an interface
programme.

No you don't.



There are some printers that are supposed to work with iPads.
My 5890CN is one of them.
However the last person that wanted to print from it couldn't get their
WiFi to connect to my old AP so I have no idea if an iPad can actually
print to the 5890CN.

My Android phone works fine to both the WiFi and to the printer BTW.
It can even scan stuff but I don't really have a use for that as a quick
camera snap is usually good enough.

Andy Burns wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:

just about every main brand consumer printer supports AurPrint

Only for fairly new models, given that Apple 'own' CUPS, why bother to
re-invent the wheel, why not just use CUPS + IPP?

If that's what someone wants it is possible as long as one owns a computer
on a WiFi network that uses CUPS. if the computer is a Mac it's click and
drag easy. If the computer is a PC running Linux it is as easy as
installing a printer ever is in Linux. If it is a PC running Windows it's
the usual broken mess.

Apple cooperated with printer makers to give a consumer friendly version as
well. ie buy a cheap printer and it just works. Did you perhaps whine and
moan because your digital camera will only print direct to particular
consumer printers and not at all to networked devices unless they have WiFi
and PictBridge?

You sound like one of those people
who tries to find fault because it's Apple.

And you sound like on of those who defend *whatever* they do.

No Apple get many things wrong but in respect of printing from mobile
devices they were ahead of the curve. I object to people distorting the
truth and find it particularly laughable when Android fanbhois go on and on
about iOS printing (usually spouting complete ******** about it) when
Android printing is such a lash up.

Go on, explain how easy it is to set up printing for Android.

Agreed it not straightforward either, especially if you don't like the
idea of your print job taking a round trip through the cloud.

Quite. So why all the animosity about iOS? TBH most of the objectors would
be more honest if they admitted that their objections are "sour grapes" in
the original sense. The Apple is out of their (financial) reach so they
rubbish it despite having never used one or even bothering to find out if
what they say is true.

I also suspect many of them don't own an Android device either - just
armchair "experts".

--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:43:04 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:
Go on, explain how easy it is to set up printing for Android.

It's exactly the same setting Airprint for Apple and Google Print for
Android, it's basically the same thing...

--
Posted from my Nexus 7

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:44:56 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

Bill Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:17:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article
,
Steve Firth wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We
found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.

No that's ******** Dave. Printing is supported in all iOS devices. Even
my phone does it.

Could you give details? As I said it wasn't mine - but my pal was fairly
certain.

You were right. There is no easy way to print from an ipad. You either
need one of a very small number of airprint (TM) enabled printers or a
computer of some sort with an interface programme to print to the PCs
printer. Even then it seems that the control over printer output is
very limited. Neither of which fit my definition of easy.

So "print" "OK" is not easy in your book? How do you cope with zips and
buttons?

Yes, once you've set it up it's easy. Finding a kludge to get round
the Apple way isn't so easy.

Given that just about every main brand consumer printer supports AurPrint
why would you need to "kludge" anything? You sound like one of those people
who tries to find fault because it's Apple.

When I tried to set up printing on Lynnes ipad, there were about 30 or
so new models available that supported it. None of our 3 network
connected printers did. I fail to see why people should be expected to
throw away perfectly good equipment and buy new just to fit with
Apples new fad.

Actually I think I'm quite neutral about Apple. We own a few
devices;overall I like the ipad, it seems to be pretty usable and it's
quite well made. I like the iMac as well, but that doesn't mean that
I'm blind to their faults.

Go on, explain how easy it is to set up printing for Android.

No idea, never tried. It's probably as bad as the ipad, but Apple make
such a big thing of how easy it is to use their products that coming
across this problem exposes how much of an untruth that is - unless
you spend more money to do it the Apple way.

On Oct 19, 7:43*am, Andy Burns wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:
just about every main brand consumer printer supports AurPrint

Soon changed to "If he's lucky ... from HP, Epson or Canon"

Only for fairly new models, given that Apple 'own' CUPS, why bother to
re-invent the wheel, why not just use CUPS + IPP?

So they can make another sale.

MBQ

"MaRKg123" wrote in message
newsp.wmd93bbag5cpb5@vaio-laptop...
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:06:47 +0100, Lee wrote:

On 18/10/2012 13:50, MarkG wrote:

Androids are not created equal, and you pays
your money and takes your choice.
The great thing in, the CHOICE (something Apple owners don't have)


Fragmentation is a problem for mobile gaming though, if you want
something better than Angry Birds or Cut the rope
Apps are frequently written to the lowest common denominator - and why
wouldn't you - to maximise appeal/sales.

Really, that's utter bull**** (again started by Jobs). Android is no
more fragmented than iOS. Infact in many ways, Android is better,
Google go to great lengths to ensure backwards compatibility libraries to
enable older OS versions to use the latest Android SDK features.

Android is based on the UNIX operating system. One of the finest and most
stable OS's ever made.

On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:11:36 AM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

News wrote:

We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given

the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,

but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to

modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The

size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing

this on has 228GB.



Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy

way of printing from it.

Strange that my 84 year old dad managed it.


Apart from emailing to a proper computer. We

found this out when wanting to print off a boarding pass.



--

*Even a blind pig stumbles across an acorn now and again *



Dave Plowman London SW

To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Friday, October 19, 2012 1:18:06 PM UTC+1, Doctor Drivel wrote:
"MaRKg123" wrote in message

newsp.wmd93bbag5cpb5@vaio-laptop...

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:06:47 +0100, Lee wrote:



On 18/10/2012 13:50, MarkG wrote:



Androids are not created equal, and you pays

your money and takes your choice.

The great thing in, the CHOICE (something Apple owners don't have)





Fragmentation is a problem for mobile gaming though, if you want

something better than Angry Birds or Cut the rope

Apps are frequently written to the lowest common denominator - and why

wouldn't you - to maximise appeal/sales.



Really, that's utter bull**** (again started by Jobs). Android is no

more fragmented than iOS. Infact in many ways, Android is better,

Google go to great lengths to ensure backwards compatibility libraries to

enable older OS versions to use the latest Android SDK features.



Android is based on the UNIX operating system. One of the finest and most

stable OS's ever made.

So is Mac OS X and iOS both bof which have been around longer than andriod.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

The Apple is out of their (financial) reach so they
rubbish

The Galaxy S2 & 3s are superior to the i-phone and far, far cheaper. Why
would anyone with brains buy and overpriced product?

On 19/10/2012 08:50, Steve Firth wrote:


Quite. So why all the animosity about iOS? TBH most of the objectors would
be more honest if they admitted that their objections are "sour grapes" in
the original sense. The Apple is out of their (financial) reach so they
rubbish it despite having never used one or even bothering to find out if
what they say is true.

Its towards the users that come on here and lie about stuff and how
Apple should rule the world, not iOS.


I also suspect many of them don't own an Android device either - just
armchair "experts".


I get the impression that your knowledge of Android and windows is based
on what you choose to read and not on reality.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:34:20 PM UTC+1, News wrote:
We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given

the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,

but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to

modern PC sizes.

Not really comparable with a PC HD.

Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD?

As with computers it despends on what you do.

My heavest space using aps are Garageband around 1 GB , a euprope off-line map again a GB and a zombie game at 500MB or so there are many apps and games which take a lot of space do you need them I've no idea.

I would aviod the andriod series of tablets unless you try before buy friends have had them and are eagaly waiting for the next ipad rumoured to be a mini as they want something that isn;t just specs on paper but actually works, they have also commeneted on the vast number of andriods apps that don;t work crash or just poor quaility.





The

size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing

this on has 228GB.

And how much of that are you using and for what .....


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Graeme

On 19/10/2012 10:11, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Oct 19, 7:43 am, Andy Burns wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:
just about every main brand consumer printer supports AurPrint

Soon changed to "If he's lucky ... from HP, Epson or Canon"

Only for fairly new models, given that Apple 'own' CUPS, why bother to
re-invent the wheel, why not just use CUPS + IPP?

So they can make another sale.

ITYM so they can get another lock in, not just another sale.

At least Apple is getting a pasting ATM for it frivolous claims that it
owns the design to everything.
With a bit of luck they will be fined and/or banned from doing so.
Its only to delay the competition.

On Friday, October 19, 2012 1:31:24 PM UTC+1, Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message

...



The Apple is out of their (financial) reach so they

rubbish



The Galaxy S2 & 3s are superior to the i-phone and far, far cheaper.

but the OP isn;t asking what phone to buy and for some the galaxery aren;t better because of the funbctionality and the quallity of the apps.


Why

would anyone with brains buy and overpriced product?

And stupid peole buy rolls royaces porches cadalacs and all sorts of expensive crap and I wopuild buy an amarni suit either.
Then again I won;t buy ASDA home products as I find them tateless and I'm willing to pay extra for quality but not everyone is.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:43:26 PM UTC+1, polygonum wrote:
On 17/10/2012 21:34, News wrote:



We, apparently, need an ipad. Not sure why, but I'm told we do. Given

the threads discussed here in the past, I can see what they're good for,

but what size HD? The basic model is 16GB which is tiny compared to

modern PC sizes. Having said that, does an ipad need a large HD? The

size options seem to be 16, 32 and 64GB. The antique desktop I'm typing

this on has 228GB.



What do you want to use it for?



16 GB is plenty for my use. But might be very much less than you need.

Always remember the cloud - whether that is iCloud, Dropbox, or whatever

else.



You do know they are launching new 7-inch models on 23rd October?

Possibly to be available from November 2nd.



And there are some very nice other tablets these days. Partner is rather

taken by the Samsung Note 10.1 with its very clever stylus.



And the other big question - 3G or not 3G!

iPads can do 4G .

Worth getting the 3G/4G version as then you can use mapping features and turn by turn. But if it's just for home use then probbaly not worth the extra.





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Rod

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:10:21 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy
way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer.

Buy one of those cheap inkjet all-in-one printers which also doubles as a
scanner and photocopier. Stick the ipad on the scanner bed and press
'copy'... simples

On Friday, October 19, 2012 2:46:55 PM UTC+1, Jules Richardson wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:10:21 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Don't have one but was amazed to find with a pal's one there is no easy

way of printing from it. Apart from emailing to a proper computer.



Buy one of those cheap inkjet all-in-one printers which also doubles as a

scanner and photocopier. Stick the ipad on the scanner bed and press

'copy'... simples

Why do you need to put on on the scanner my dad sat in another room then went into the next room to collect the prints, it's called airprint.

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/hom...ories/printers

On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 05:42:41 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave wrote:

And the other big question - 3G or not 3G!

iPads can do 4G .

In this country? And I don't mean because 4G isn't quite available yet. I
was under the impression that the 4G standard that iPads have is the US
4G standard not the European (or rest of the world) 4G standard. Didn't
they have to pull their advertising and get their wrists slapped about
this recently?

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Cheers
Dave.