Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it
under-rated for that job?

--
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In article ,
Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it under-rated for that job?

The room thermostat will be mandling mains voltage. You need proper T + E.

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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:20:18 AM UTC+1, Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it

under-rated for that job?

It can handle the current ok, and the voltage, but the insulation is inadequate to comply with current law.


NT

wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:20:18 AM UTC+1, Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it

under-rated for that job?

It can handle the current ok, and the voltage, but the insulation is
inadequate to comply with current law.


Wot he said.

You need the appropriate insulation *and* sheathing.

--
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Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

In article ,
Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it under-rated for that job?

Only if the thermostat is low voltage, which very few are. The insulation
on bell wire is only suitable for low voltage.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it under-rated for that job?



Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts"
which is stated on many thermostats.

On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:

Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it
under-rated for that job?

In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however
it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.

The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls.


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"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.222...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it under-rated for that job?



Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts"
which is stated on many thermostats.

I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant!

OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish
I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire.

Thanks for all the comments.

--
Mark BR

Mark BR wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.222...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it under-rated for that job?
Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts"
which is stated on many thermostats.

I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant!

OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish
I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire.

You could strangle harry with it.

Thanks for all the comments.

--
Mark BR




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On 05/10/2012 09:28, Mark BR wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.222...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it under-rated for that job?



Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts"
which is stated on many thermostats.

I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant!

OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish
I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire.

Thanks for all the comments.

--
Mark BR


'Volt free' = the thermostat contacts are provided 'dry' - that is an
isolated pair of switched poles.
The boiler end would have to apply some voltage in order to work out if
they are open or closed. Could be as little as 3.3 or 5v, or 240 VAC

在 2012年10月4日星期四UTC+8下�4时20分18秒 ，Mark BR写�：
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under-rated for that job?



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在 2012年10月4日星期四UTC+8下�4时20分18秒 ，Mark BR写�：
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it

under-rated for that job?



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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:



Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it

under-rated for that job?



In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however

it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.



The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls.

Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation


NT

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:24:49 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:20:18 AM UTC+1, Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it

under-rated for that job?

It can handle the current ok, and the voltage, but the insulation is
inadequate to comply with current law.


Wot he said.

You need the appropriate insulation *and* sheathing.

Only to comply with the law, otherwise it's fine.

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:28:41 +0100, Mark BR wrote:


"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.222...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is
it under-rated for that job?



Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts"
which is stated on many thermostats.

I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant!

OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish
I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire.

Wire speakers up all over the house.

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:



Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it

under-rated for that job?



In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however

it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.



The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls.

Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation

Plaster conducts does it?

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Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:



Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or
is it

under-rated for that job?



In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however

it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.



The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls.

Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be
counted as a 2nd layer of insulation

Plaster conducts does it?


More than you know - especially if slightly damp!
--
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"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:



Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or
is it

under-rated for that job?



In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however

it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.



The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls.

Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be
counted as a 2nd layer of insulation

Plaster conducts does it?


More than you know - especially if slightly damp!

I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle.

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http://petersphotos.com

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She said, "Please go away," but he pretended not to hear.
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:



Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi
boiler, or is it

under-rated for that job?



In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably
adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains
voltage.



The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option
for controls.

Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in
plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation

Plaster conducts does it?


More than you know - especially if slightly damp!

I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't
even tingle.


How was the ECT?

--
Adam

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:



Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or
is it

under-rated for that job?



In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate,
however

it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.



The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for
controls.

Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't
be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation

Plaster conducts does it?


More than you know - especially if slightly damp!

I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even
tingle.


That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the
insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the
core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that
takes the stress.

Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single
insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered
insufficiently safe so it is not used.

Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*.

--
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"It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies."

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:12:58 +0100, ARW wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:



Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi
boiler, or is it

under-rated for that job?



In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably
adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains
voltage.



The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option
for controls.

Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in
plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation

Plaster conducts does it?


More than you know - especially if slightly damp!

I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't
even tingle.


How was the ECT?

TENS is more fun.

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http://petersphotos.com

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Mike smiled and simply replied, "Jessica Simpson's boobs."

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:47:09 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:

On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:


Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't
be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation

Plaster conducts does it?


More than you know - especially if slightly damp!

I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even
tingle.


That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the
insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the
core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that
takes the stress.

Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single
insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered
insufficiently safe so it is not used.

Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*.

The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones).

All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then.

--
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http://petersphotos.com

A man's home is his castle, in a manor of speaking.

Lieutenant Scott wrote:


The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones).

I suggest you look a little closer.

I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class II, not
Class O.




All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then.


Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements?

--
Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies."

On Friday, October 26, 2012 10:47:12 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:

Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or
is it
under-rated for that job?

In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate,
however
it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.
The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for
controls.
Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't
be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation
Plaster conducts does it?

More than you know - especially if slightly damp!

I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even
tingle.

That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the
insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the
core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that
takes the stress.
Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single
insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered
insufficiently safe so it is not used.
Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*.

True, but that argument appears to suggest it would be safe to use buried in plaster, but its still not allowed.


NT

wrote:


True, but that argument appears to suggest it would be safe to use buried
in plaster, but its still not allowed.

Not really - the risk of damaging the single layer of insulation burying in
a masonry structure is too high (nicks from tools, rough brikwork etc) and
plaster is surprisingly conductive (you know, but someone else appears not
to think so).

I knoe it's all troll food in this case, but I'm happy to debate anything

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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:49:54 +0100, wrote:

On Friday, October 26, 2012 10:47:12 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:

Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or
is it
under-rated for that job?

In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate,
however
it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage.
The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for
controls.
Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't
be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation
Plaster conducts does it?

More than you know - especially if slightly damp!

I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even
tingle.

That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the
insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the
core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that
takes the stress.
Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single
insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered
insufficiently safe so it is not used.
Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*.

True, but that argument appears to suggest it would be safe to use buried in plaster, but its still not allowed.

Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up.

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I received a "thank-you" note several days later; it said, "Thanks for
the flowers, they were delicious!"

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:54:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:


The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones).

I suggest you look a little closer.

I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class II, not
Class O.

I guess I haven't got that new fairy lights then. The wire is stranded copper with one sheath of plastic. Two such wires glued together.

No point in making the wire safer, the danger would be from the flimsy little bulbs which would make up to 240 volts available to your fingers (or mouth in the case of a baby eating one).

All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then.

Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements?

I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

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http://petersphotos.com

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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:54:28 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:


The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED
ones).

I suggest you look a little closer.

I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class
II, not Class O.

I guess I haven't got that new fairy lights then. The wire is
stranded copper with one sheath of plastic. Two such wires glued
together.
No point in making the wire safer, the danger would be from the
flimsy little bulbs which would make up to 240 volts available to
your fingers (or mouth in the case of a baby eating one).
All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and
then.

Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements?

I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

And it caused no brain damage at all.

--
Adam

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:16:59 +0100, ARW wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:54:28 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:


The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED
ones).

I suggest you look a little closer.

I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class
II, not Class O.

I guess I haven't got that new fairy lights then. The wire is
stranded copper with one sheath of plastic. Two such wires glued
together.
No point in making the wire safer, the danger would be from the
flimsy little bulbs which would make up to 240 volts available to
your fingers (or mouth in the case of a baby eating one).
All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and
then.

Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements?

I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

And it caused no brain damage at all.

I don't tend to insert the wires into my ears.

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Lieutenant Scott wrote:


Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers
making **** up.


I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers"
--
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"It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies."

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:


Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers
making **** up.


I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers"

There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind.

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Her mother replied, "No, you can't play with the boys, they're too rough."
The little girl thought about it for a few moments and asked, "If I can find a smooth one, can I play with him?"

"ARW" wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
[snip]

I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

And it caused no brain damage at all.

One cannot damage that which does not exist.

Which appears to be your point.

--
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_/ _/

In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940,
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain.

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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:43:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940,
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain.

I didn't insert the wires into my ears.

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http://petersphotos.com

He was so unlucky . . .
Last week, his inflatable doll ran off with his airbag.

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:43:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940,
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain.

I didn't insert the wires into my ears.

You are still a thick daft ****.

--
Adam

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:11:45 +0100, ARW wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:43:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940,
Lieutenant Scott wrote:
I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous.

Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain.

I didn't insert the wires into my ears.

You are still a thick daft ****.

Show your working.

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http://petersphotos.com

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Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:


Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers
making **** up.


I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers"

There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and
those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind.


You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might
also have other actual jobs too?
--
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"She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon."

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:28:46 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:


Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers
making **** up.


I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers"

There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and
those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind.


You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might
also have other actual jobs too?

That's just greed.

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http://petersphotos.com

A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel.
The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337. A man would not be able to identify more than 20 of these items.

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:28:46 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:


Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers
making **** up.


I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers"

There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and
those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind.


You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might
also have other actual jobs too?

You only get let into such committees if you're a health and safety conscious ****t.

--
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http://petersphotos.com

A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel.
The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337. A man would not be able to identify more than 20 of these items.

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:28:46 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:


Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers
making **** up.


I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper
pushers"

There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and
those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind.


You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might
also have other actual jobs too?

That's just greed.


Oh do stop being a ****.


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