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Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it
under-rated for that job? -- Mark BR |
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Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? The room thermostat will be mandling mains voltage. You need proper T + E. -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 |
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:20:18 AM UTC+1, Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? It can handle the current ok, and the voltage, but the insulation is inadequate to comply with current law. NT |
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:20:18 AM UTC+1, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? It can handle the current ok, and the voltage, but the insulation is inadequate to comply with current law. Wot he said. You need the appropriate insulation *and* sheathing. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." |
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Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? Only if the thermostat is low voltage, which very few are. The insulation on bell wire is only suitable for low voltage. -- *Don't squat with your spurs on * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
: In article , Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts" which is stated on many thermostats. |
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On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote:
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.222... "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in : In article , Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts" which is stated on many thermostats. I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant! OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire. Thanks for all the comments. -- Mark BR |
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Mark BR wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.222... "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in : In article , Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts" which is stated on many thermostats. I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant! OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire. You could strangle harry with it. Thanks for all the comments. -- Mark BR -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 05/10/2012 09:28, Mark BR wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.222... "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in : In article , Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts" which is stated on many thermostats. I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant! OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire. Thanks for all the comments. -- Mark BR 'Volt free' = the thermostat contacts are provided 'dry' - that is an isolated pair of switched poles. The boiler end would have to apply some voltage in order to work out if they are open or closed. Could be as little as 3.3 or 5v, or 240 VAC |
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在 2012年10月4日星期四UTC+8下午4时20分18秒 ，Mark BR写道：
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? -- Mark BR http://www.cheapuggbootsonline2012.co.uk/ |
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在 2012年10月4日星期四UTC+8下午4时20分18秒 ，Mark BR写道：
Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? -- Mark BR http://www.cheapuggbootsonline2012.co.uk/ |
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) NT |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 10:24:49 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:20:18 AM UTC+1, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? It can handle the current ok, and the voltage, but the insulation is inadequate to comply with current law. Wot he said. You need the appropriate insulation *and* sheathing. Only to comply with the law, otherwise it's fine. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com If people from Poland are called Poles, why aren't people from Holland called Holes? |
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:28:41 +0100, Mark BR wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.222... "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in : In article , Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? Perhaps someone is reading the wrong message from "Volts Free Contacts" which is stated on many thermostats. I did spend some time wondering what 'volts free' actually meant! OK I've got some 'proper' 240volt twin flex to wire up the thermostat. Wish I could find a use for half a roll of bell wire. Wire speakers up all over the house. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com 101 Dalmatians and Peter Pan are the only two Disney animated features in which both the parents are present and don't die throughout the movie. |
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com "Sir, your daughter says she loves me, she can't live without me, and wants to marry me." "And you're asking my permission to marry her?" "No, I'm asking you to make her leave me the hell alone!!" |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com He saw her in her birthday suit swimming by the pier She said, "Please go away," but he pretended not to hear. "If you don't go I'll stay in here 'til it's dark." 'That's OK by me," he said, "I only came to feed the shark." -- Benny Hill |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle. How was the ECT? -- Adam |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle. That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that takes the stress. Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered insufficiently safe so it is not used. Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:12:58 +0100, ARW wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle. How was the ECT? TENS is more fun. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com When Mike got arrested, the police told him, "Anything you say will be held against you." Mike smiled and simply replied, "Jessica Simpson's boobs." |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:47:09 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle. That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that takes the stress. Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered insufficiently safe so it is not used. Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*. The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones). All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com A man's home is his castle, in a manor of speaking. |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones). I suggest you look a little closer. I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class II, not Class O. All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then. Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements? -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." |
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On Friday, October 26, 2012 10:47:12 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle. That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that takes the stress. Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered insufficiently safe so it is not used. Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*. True, but that argument appears to suggest it would be safe to use buried in plaster, but its still not allowed. NT |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:49:54 +0100, wrote:
On Friday, October 26, 2012 10:47:12 PM UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:49:52 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:57:39 +0100, wrote: On Thursday, October 4, 2012 5:09:52 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 04/10/2012 09:16, Mark BR wrote: Can I use 'bell wire' for a room thermostat for the combi boiler, or is it under-rated for that job? In terms of current carrying capacity, it is probably adequate, however it is not well enough insulated to carry mains voltage. The exception to this may be if the combi has a 24V option for controls. Bell wire is capable, just not lawful. And burying it in plaster can't be counted as a 2nd layer of insulation :) Plaster conducts does it? More than you know - especially if slightly damp! I've run 240 volts through bellwire, and touched the plastic. Didn't even tingle. That's not quite the point. It's about mechanical protection. If the insulation gets nicked or stressed the failure is likely to propogate to the core so now your insulation is compromised. With a secondary sheath, that takes the stress. Yes I know in the old days we had lamp flex or fairy lights with single insulation - it would be rated as "Class O" - but it was considered insufficiently safe so it is not used. Just because you *can* use bell wire, does not mean you *should*. True, but that argument appears to suggest it would be safe to use buried in plaster, but its still not allowed. Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com A female friend of mine was admitted to a private hospital to try to lose weight. Naturally I sent her flowers. I received a "thank-you" note several days later; it said, "Thanks for the flowers, they were delicious!" |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:54:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones). I suggest you look a little closer. I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class II, not Class O. I guess I haven't got that new fairy lights then. The wire is stranded copper with one sheath of plastic. Two such wires glued together. No point in making the wire safer, the danger would be from the flimsy little bulbs which would make up to 240 volts available to your fingers (or mouth in the case of a baby eating one). All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then. Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements? I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com Peter is listening to "Eagles - Hotel California" |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:54:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones). I suggest you look a little closer. I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class II, not Class O. I guess I haven't got that new fairy lights then. The wire is stranded copper with one sheath of plastic. Two such wires glued together. No point in making the wire safer, the danger would be from the flimsy little bulbs which would make up to 240 volts available to your fingers (or mouth in the case of a baby eating one). All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then. Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements? I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. And it caused no brain damage at all. -- Adam |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:16:59 +0100, ARW wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:54:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: The old days? Fairy lights still are like that (except the LED ones). I suggest you look a little closer. I think you will find they are double insulated and marked Class II, not Class O. I guess I haven't got that new fairy lights then. The wire is stranded copper with one sheath of plastic. Two such wires glued together. No point in making the wire safer, the danger would be from the flimsy little bulbs which would make up to 240 volts available to your fingers (or mouth in the case of a baby eating one). All I'm concerned with is fire, nevermind a little shock now and then. Do you remove items from your toaster with metal implements? I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. And it caused no brain damage at all. I don't tend to insert the wires into my ears. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up. I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers" -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up. I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers" There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com A little girl asked her mother, "Can I go outside and play with the boys?" Her mother replied, "No, you can't play with the boys, they're too rough." The little girl thought about it for a few moments and asked, "If I can find a smooth one, can I play with him?" |
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"ARW" wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: [snip] I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. And it caused no brain damage at all. One cannot damage that which does not exist. Which appears to be your point. -- DarWin| _/ _/ |
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In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940,
Lieutenant Scott wrote: I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain. -- *Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:43:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940, Lieutenant Scott wrote: I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain. I didn't insert the wires into my ears. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com He was so unlucky . . . Last week, his inflatable doll ran off with his airbag. |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:43:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940, Lieutenant Scott wrote: I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain. I didn't insert the wires into my ears. You are still a thick daft ****. -- Adam |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:11:45 +0100, ARW wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:43:24 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article op.wmt9kfn7ytk5n5@i7-940, Lieutenant Scott wrote: I've had several shocks from the mains, it's not dangerous. Really? I'd say it accounts for your fried brain. I didn't insert the wires into my ears. You are still a thick daft ****. Show your working. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com The only differences between lawyers and prostitutes are that prostitutes are generally better looking and more honest about how they make a living. |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up. I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers" There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind. You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might also have other actual jobs too? -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon." |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:28:46 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up. I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers" There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind. You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might also have other actual jobs too? That's just greed. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel. The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337. A man would not be able to identify more than 20 of these items. |
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:28:46 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up. I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers" There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind. You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might also have other actual jobs too? You only get let into such committees if you're a health and safety conscious ****t. -- http://petersparrots.com http://petersphotos.com A man has six items in his bathroom: toothbrush and toothpaste, shaving cream, razor, a bar of soap, and a towel. The average number of items in the typical woman's bathroom is 337. A man would not be able to identify more than 20 of these items. |
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:28:46 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:40:28 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: Lieutenant Scott wrote: Not allowed isn't always anything to do with safe. It's paperpushers making **** up. I would hardly describe a bunch of chartered engineers as "paper pushers" There are two sets of people in this world. Those that do things, and those that tell others they're doing it wrong. I prefer the first kind. You don't suppose that the engineers who sit on the regs committee might also have other actual jobs too? That's just greed. Oh do stop being a ****. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/ "It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." |
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