In article , Roberts
wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in
Hampshire where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that
they can be nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a
close inspection when they stop you.

The correct response, assuming your brake lights really are working, is to
do an emergency stop. Claim a dog ran across the road and you didn't want
to hit it.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16

In article , Roberts
scribeth thus

"hugh" ] wrote in message
news
In message , John Williamson
writes
hugh wrote:
And driving too closely in front of the vehicle behind you.

? Without a tow rope?

Or are you saying that a driver doing the speed he or she feels safe doing
on that particular bit of road should speed up to lose the tailgating twit
who's trying to push them along? Or just stop to encourage them to pass,
so hitting the innocent third driver who's just come riund the blind bend?

Tailgating is *always* the fault of the driver in the rear. As is a shunt
caused by it. Where I work, if you shunt into another vehicle from its
rear, it's an automatic disciplinary hearing, and, very likely, the sack,
or at the very least, a session with a very annoyed driving intructor.

Two totally different situations.

You are driving along keeping a safe distance from the vehicle in front.
Some **** pulls into the space in front of you, typically on a motorway.
He is then driving too close in front of you. You have to take avoidance
action, i.e. back off to restore the space in front of you. before long
the process will inevitably be repeated
--
hugh
With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in Hampshire
where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that they can be
nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a close inspection
when they stop you.

Robbie




You have Police there?. Who or what are they;?...
--
Tony Sayer

hugh wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
hugh wrote:
In message , Roger Chapman
writes
On 12/10/2011 14:38, hugh wrote:

Funny no-one ever complains about HGVs. Have you ever known one
of those pull into a layby to let the tail pass?

I have a vague memory of it once happening but probably the driver
just wanted a rest. ;-)

I am not sure many of my complaints ever make it onto usenet but
there are a number of common habits that I frequently complain
about. The three that come quickly to mind are extreme tailgating,
travelling in convoy on single carriage roads with insufficient
space to allow overtaking one at a time and overtaking manoeuvres
on dual carriageways that go on for miles and miles and sometimes
at least still end in failure.

And driving too closely in front of the vehicle behind you.

Explain how that is different from 'extreme tailgating' hugh?
It's the fault of the driver in front, whereas tailgating is the fault
of the driver behind.

It happens. I had someone on a motorway change from L1 to L2 without
looking. When he did look in the RVM he thought I was tailgating and slammed
the brakes on to teach me a lesson for tailgating!

The stupid **** missed me by two inches and never indicated when changing
lanes.

--
Adam

In message , charles
writes
In article , Roberts
wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in
Hampshire where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that
they can be nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a
close inspection when they stop you.

The correct response, assuming your brake lights really are working, is to
do an emergency stop. Claim a dog ran across the road and you didn't want
to hit it.

Touch your brakes whilst simultaneously putting your right foot down.
Repeat.
--
hugh

In message , John Williamson
writes
hugh wrote:
In message , John Williamson
writes
hugh wrote:
And driving too closely in front of the vehicle behind you.

? Without a tow rope?

Or are you saying that a driver doing the speed he or she feels safe
doing on that particular bit of road should speed up to lose the
tailgating twit who's trying to push them along? Or just stop to
encourage them to pass, so hitting the innocent third driver who's
just come riund the blind bend?

Tailgating is *always* the fault of the driver in the rear. As is a
shunt caused by it. Where I work, if you shunt into another vehicle
from its rear, it's an automatic disciplinary hearing, and, very
likely, the sack, or at the very least, a session with a very annoyed
driving intructor.

Two totally different situations.
You are driving along keeping a safe distance from the vehicle in
front. Some **** pulls into the space in front of you, typically on a
motorway.
He is then driving too close in front of you. You have to take
avoidance action, i.e. back off to restore the space in front of you.
before long the process will inevitably be repeated

And? No problem, you lose 2 seconds. It's still your fault if you shunt
him up the backside.
Yes, I DO know that. My whole point was a bit tongue in cheek. They do
say humour is totally wasted on newsgroup. There's always someone who
fails to get ti..
If, OTOH, he pulls in front of you, then brakes sharply, then you *may*
have a defence. Although a common reason for doing that is an insurance
scam, and the brake lights will have been disconnected.


--
hugh

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:57:56 +0100, John Williamson
wrote:

Tailgating is *always* the fault of the driver in the rear. As is a
shunt caused by it.

********.
I rear-ended a **** who'd just pulled in front of me and then had to
slam on his brakes because of a ripple. Entirely his fault.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:26:44 +0100, "Roberts" wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in Hampshire
where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that they can be
nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a close inspection
when they stop you.

So turning on the pump that fires a light misting of used brake fluid
and engine oil from the nozzle under my rear bumper ensuring a
covering all over the windscreen of any tailgater isn't the correct
response then?

--

On Oct 13, 12:57*am, John Williamson
wrote:

Tailgating is *always* the fault of the driver in the rear. As is a
shunt caused by it. Where I work, if you shunt into another vehicle from
its rear, it's an automatic disciplinary hearing, and, very likely, the
sack, or at the very least, a session with a very annoyed driving intructor.

I'd agree with tailgating (as a continuous verb), however there are
plenty of ways to get caught from the front on a motorway with heavy
traffic. If another driver cuts in ahead, you're in a position where
you are now "tailgating" unwittingly. The action to take next is
generally agreed to be to slow down and allow the appropriate gap to
re-open. However that itself takes time. You can't do this by heavy
braking, because the likelihood is that there's another idiot right
behind and tailgating you. It's considered as impolite to slam into
their front bumper as it is to go into the rear of the one ahead. If
(as is not entirely unlikely) this takes place in several lanes of
heavy traffic, all far too close together, then a shunt ahead can take
all four of you in one go, even after one driver in the middle driving
pretty much blamelessly.

In message
, Andy
Dingley writes
On Oct 13, 12:57*am, John Williamson
wrote:

Tailgating is *always* the fault of the driver in the rear. As is a
shunt caused by it. Where I work, if you shunt into another vehicle from
its rear, it's an automatic disciplinary hearing, and, very likely, the
sack, or at the very least, a session with a very annoyed driving intructor.

I'd agree with tailgating (as a continuous verb), however there are
plenty of ways to get caught from the front on a motorway with heavy
traffic. If another driver cuts in ahead, you're in a position where
you are now "tailgating" unwittingly. The action to take next is
generally agreed to be to slow down and allow the appropriate gap to
re-open. However that itself takes time. You can't do this by heavy
braking, because the likelihood is that there's another idiot right
behind and tailgating you. It's considered as impolite to slam into
their front bumper as it is to go into the rear of the one ahead. If
(as is not entirely unlikely) this takes place in several lanes of
heavy traffic, all far too close together, then a shunt ahead can take
all four of you in one go, even after one driver in the middle driving
pretty much blamelessly.

Hear, hear!

This sort of activity commonly happens near junctions when, before the
turn off, drivers realise they are in the wrong lane. Conversely,
drivers joining and immediately trying to push across to the outside
lane.

Signage in the approach to junctions appears adequate so, apart from
shooting the offenders, I have no solution. There is however, a way of
regulating the *joiners*: a solid white line on the inside lane
preventing lane changing for some distance. This already exists in
Portugal and Formula 1.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

"geoff" wrote in message
news
In message om,
"dennis@home" writes


"Nightjar" wrote in message
om...

I have read that rigid tow bars are, however, a requirement when towing
on a motorway, but have not found the relevant legislation.

There is a minimum speed limit on motorways..

Well - having been shown to be wrong by several people are you going to
admit that you are wrong on this point?

Where am i wrong?
You try driving at 30 mph and see how long it is before they stop you.
There is a minimum speed on a motorway even if you only get done for driving
without due consideration.


there is a maximum of 4.5 m of rope allowed..
you can't reach the minimum speed limit without being done for dangerous
driving with only 4.5 m of spacing.

You're not driving (the engine is not running), you are being towed

Try that with the police when they pull you over for dangerous driving.

Stay off the roads dennis - you're not safe

Just how many accidents have you had geof?

dennis@home wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message
news
In message om,
"dennis@home" writes


"Nightjar" wrote in message
...

I have read that rigid tow bars are, however, a requirement when
towing on a motorway, but have not found the relevant legislation.

There is a minimum speed limit on motorways..

Well - having been shown to be wrong by several people are you going
to admit that you are wrong on this point?

Where am i wrong?
You try driving at 30 mph and see how long it is before they stop you.
There is a minimum speed on a motorway even if you only get done for
driving without due consideration.


there is a maximum of 4.5 m of rope allowed..
you can't reach the minimum speed limit without being done for
dangerous driving with only 4.5 m of spacing.

You're not driving (the engine is not running), you are being towed

Try that with the police when they pull you over for dangerous
driving.
Stay off the roads dennis - you're not safe

Just how many accidents have you had geof?

I wonder how many accidents you have caused and not seen in your rear view
mirror.

--
Adam

"Alan Braggins" wrote in message
...
In article , Jethro wrote:

If it were a hydraulic failure, the idea is one will work if the other
fails. Of course if one has already failed...

Unless the wheel cylinder leaked and ****ed brake fluid all over the
shoes ....

Been there, done that, had the AA Relay van turn up without having to have
a patrol check it really wasn't a roadside repair first....
(It didn't just leak a bit past the seal - the casting had cracked.)

IIRC the AA won't even try to repair brakes, so if they believe you when you
report the problem they don't bother with a patrol.

In message , The Other Mike
writes
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:26:44 +0100, "Roberts" wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in Hampshire
where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that they can be
nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a close inspection
when they stop you.

So turning on the pump that fires a light misting of used brake fluid
and engine oil from the nozzle under my rear bumper ensuring a
covering all over the windscreen of any tailgater isn't the correct
response then?

Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.
--
hugh

"hugh" ] wrote in message
news
Funny no-one ever complains about HGVs. Have you ever known one of those
pull into a layby to let the tail pass?

Yes.

In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Hear, hear!
Or even here here.
--
hugh

"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis has gone ver' ver' quiet all of a sudden

Some of us have gone on holiday and can't be bothered to get the computer
out.

hugh wrote:
In message , Tim Lamb
writes

Hear, hear!
Or even here here.
no.
hear hear as in 'hear him, hear him'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear

In message m,
"dennis@home" writes


"geoff" wrote in message
news
In message om,
"dennis@home" writes


"Nightjar" wrote in message
news:JtKdnXhzzPVmfRPTnZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@giganews. com...

I have read that rigid tow bars are, however, a requirement when
towing on a motorway, but have not found the relevant legislation.

There is a minimum speed limit on motorways..

Well - having been shown to be wrong by several people are you going
to admit that you are wrong on this point?

Where am i wrong?
You try driving at 30 mph and see how long it is before they stop you.
There is a minimum speed on a motorway

You say - There is a minimum speed limit on motorways
offence would be "driving below the speed limit"

even if you only get done for driving without due consideration.


So the ACTUAL offence would be "driving without due consideration"
(whatever), not "driving below the speed limit"

Stupid boy



there is a maximum of 4.5 m of rope allowed..
you can't reach the minimum speed limit without being done for
dangerous driving with only 4.5 m of spacing.

You're not driving (the engine is not running), you are being towed

Try that with the police when they pull you over for dangerous driving.

They never have done


Stay off the roads dennis - you're not safe

Just how many accidents have you had geof?



Two - both caused by someone else

How many have you seen in your rear view mirror?


--
geoff

In message m,
"dennis@home" writes


"hugh" ] wrote in message
news
Funny no-one ever complains about HGVs. Have you ever known one of
those pull into a layby to let the tail pass?

Yes.

I presume that was the only way he could overtake you


--
geoff

In message m,
"dennis@home" writes


"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis has gone ver' ver' quiet all of a sudden

Some of us have gone on holiday and can't be bothered to get the
computer out.

How is Rhyl this time of year?

--
geoff

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:52:42 +0100, hugh wrote:
Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

:-) I knew someone who had a trailer hitch on their vehicle for that sole
possibility (well, not BMW-specific, just the offchance that someone
would slam into them) - they never had any intention of actually using it
for the intended purpose.

The ones I hate are those who pull out of a side-road right in front of
you (we get a lot of 30mph side-roads onto 55mph main roads where I am),
even when you have a completely clear road behind you, and if they'd only
waited a second or two... it's like they haven't even scanned the road at
all and have just thought "uh oh, car coming, better go now".

cheers

Jules

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:01:37 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis has gone ver' ver' quiet all of a sudden

Some of us have gone on holiday and can't be bothered to get the
computer out.

get the computer out of where?

Jules Richardson wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:01:37 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis has gone ver' ver' quiet all of a sudden
Some of us have gone on holiday and can't be bothered to get the
computer out.

get the computer out of where?
He keeps a laptop in the freezer, to prolong battery life.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:29:38 +0100, geoff wrote:

You say - There is a minimum speed limit on motorways
offence would be "driving below the speed limit"

even if you only get done for driving without due consideration.


So the ACTUAL offence would be "driving without due consideration"
(whatever), not "driving below the speed limit"

Stupid boy

Aww, it's taken him days to come up with that wriggle.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:49:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Jules Richardson wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:01:37 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis has gone ver' ver' quiet all of a sudden
Some of us have gone on holiday and can't be bothered to get the
computer out.

get the computer out of where?
He keeps a laptop in the freezer, to prolong battery life.

OK, that was almost infinitely less disturbing that whatever I was
thinking.

In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:29:38 +0100, geoff wrote:

You say - There is a minimum speed limit on motorways
offence would be "driving below the speed limit"

even if you only get done for driving without due consideration.


So the ACTUAL offence would be "driving without due consideration"
(whatever), not "driving below the speed limit"

Stupid boy

Aww, it's taken him days to come up with that wriggle.

Lowlife with no moral fibre or backbone that he is

Dennis the Invertebrate

--
geoff

In article ,
hugh ] wrote:
Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

Hmm. I saw a Rangie hit from the rear on a motorway at speed by an
ordinary car. Not going very much faster either. It flipped over. And
over. And over. The car stopped safely.

--
*What boots up must come down *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Jules Richardson wrote:
The ones I hate are those who pull out of a side-road right in front of
you (we get a lot of 30mph side-roads onto 55mph main roads where I am),
even when you have a completely clear road behind you, and if they'd
only waited a second or two... it's like they haven't even scanned the
road at all and have just thought "uh oh, car coming, better go now".

And, of course, never accelerate quickly up to the speed limit. In such a
hurry they have to pull out and force you to slow - but then dawdle.

--
*Of course I'm against sin; I'm against anything that I'm too old to enjoy.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:13:02 +0100, Jules Richardson
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:52:42 +0100, hugh wrote:
Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

:-) I knew someone who had a trailer hitch on their vehicle for that sole
possibility (well, not BMW-specific, just the offchance that someone
would slam into them) - they never had any intention of actually using it
for the intended purpose.

The ones I hate are those who pull out of a side-road right in front of
you (we get a lot of 30mph side-roads onto 55mph main roads where I am),
even when you have a completely clear road behind you, and if they'd only
waited a second or two... it's like they haven't even scanned the road at
all and have just thought "uh oh, car coming, better go now".

cheers

Jules


I'd happily put wager on everyone who does that, suggesting that they will
turn off again in a short distance. The more pushy they are, the shorter
the distance before turning off. Might lose the odd one, but not many IME.

--
Rod

In message , hugh
] writes
In message , The Other Mike
writes
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:26:44 +0100, "Roberts" wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in Hampshire
where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that they can be
nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a close inspection
when they stop you.

So turning on the pump that fires a light misting of used brake fluid
and engine oil from the nozzle under my rear bumper ensuring a
covering all over the windscreen of any tailgater isn't the correct
response then?

Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

My Hilux one works.

Unfortunately this particular BMW was black, driving on sidelights and
not visible in my mirrors. So I reversed into him! Visible damage was
only the number plate but who knows what the insurers made of it.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

geoff wrote:
In message , Grimly
Curmudgeon writes
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:29:38 +0100, geoff wrote:

You say - There is a minimum speed limit on motorways
offence would be "driving below the speed limit"

even if you only get done for driving without due consideration.


So the ACTUAL offence would be "driving without due consideration"
(whatever), not "driving below the speed limit"

Stupid boy

Aww, it's taken him days to come up with that wriggle.

Lowlife with no moral fibre or backbone that he is

Dennis the Invertebrate

dennis and speed limits do not mix. The special needs jellyfish seems to
want to drive at exactly the maximum speed limit regardless of the road
conditions.

--
Adam

Huge wrote:
On 2011-10-14, Jules Richardson wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:52:42 +0100, hugh wrote:
Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

:-) I knew someone who had a trailer hitch on their vehicle for that sole
possibility (well, not BMW-specific, just the offchance that someone
would slam into them) - they never had any intention of actually using it
for the intended purpose.

It doesn't work. We've run Land Rovers of one kind or another for 20 years
now, and they all have 1/2 ton of rusty scrap iron with a ball hitch on
it hanging off the back. We still get tailgated.

At least a Landie makes a mess of the tailgater if the inevitable happens.
About eight years ago someone in a Rover 800 tailgated my SIII most of the
way down a country lane towards where I was working at the time. As we got
close to the gate the car in front stopped and the Rover driver ran into
the back of the Landie. The bang took out his radiator and both
headlights/wings and chipped some paint off the rear crossmember of the
Landie.

"Jules Richardson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:01:37 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis has gone ver' ver' quiet all of a sudden

Some of us have gone on holiday and can't be bothered to get the
computer out.

get the computer out of where?

Its a laptop.

"geoff" wrote in message
...


Two - both caused by someone else

So you claim.


How many have you seen in your rear view mirror?

I expect one more than you as I actually use my mirrors.

It was quite scary for a moment, having stopped in a queue on the M6 and
seeing a jack knifed tanker sliding along a hundred yards behind.

In message om,
"dennis@home" writes


"geoff" wrote in message
...


Two - both caused by someone else

So you claim.


How many have you seen in your rear view mirror?

I expect one more than you as I actually use my mirrors.

Everyone does, that's what they're there for

stupid boy


It was quite scary for a moment, having stopped in a queue on the M6
and seeing a jack knifed tanker sliding along a hundred yards behind.


The one that had swerved to avoid you seconds earlier ?

--
geoff

dennis@home wrote:


"Jules Richardson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:01:37 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message
...


Dennis has gone ver' ver' quiet all of a sudden

Some of us have gone on holiday and can't be bothered to get the
computer out.

get the computer out of where?

Its a laptop.


Ask the doctor to increase your dose, dennis: its obvious you are still
completely irrational.

In message , Jules Richardson
writes
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:52:42 +0100, hugh wrote:
Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

:-) I knew someone who had a trailer hitch on their vehicle for that sole
possibility (well, not BMW-specific, just the offchance that someone
would slam into them) - they never had any intention of actually using it
for the intended purpose.

The ones I hate are those who pull out of a side-road right in front of
you (we get a lot of 30mph side-roads onto 55mph main roads where I am),
even when you have a completely clear road behind you, and if they'd only
waited a second or two... it's like they haven't even scanned the road at
all and have just thought "uh oh, car coming, better go now".

cheers

Jules


And then turn off again 50 yards up the road
--
hugh

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
hugh ] wrote:
Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

Hmm. I saw a Rangie hit from the rear on a motorway at speed by an
ordinary car. Not going very much faster either. It flipped over. And
over. And over. The car stopped safely.

Don't confuse Range Rovers with proper Land Rovers
--
hugh

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , hugh
] writes
In message , The Other
Mike writes
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:26:44 +0100, "Roberts" wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in Hampshire
where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that they can be
nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a close inspection
when they stop you.

So turning on the pump that fires a light misting of used brake fluid
and engine oil from the nozzle under my rear bumper ensuring a
covering all over the windscreen of any tailgater isn't the correct
response then?

Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

My Hilux one works.

Unfortunately this particular BMW was black, driving on sidelights and
not visible in my mirrors. So I reversed into him! Visible damage was
only the number plate but who knows what the insurers made of it.

regards

The whiplash claim?
--
hugh

In message , hugh
] writes
In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , hugh
] writes
In message , The Other
Mike writes
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:26:44 +0100, "Roberts" wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in Hampshire
where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that they can be
nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a close inspection
when they stop you.

So turning on the pump that fires a light misting of used brake fluid
and engine oil from the nozzle under my rear bumper ensuring a
covering all over the windscreen of any tailgater isn't the correct
response then?

Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW radiator
height.

My Hilux one works.

Unfortunately this particular BMW was black, driving on sidelights and
not visible in my mirrors. So I reversed into him! Visible damage was
only the number plate but who knows what the insurers made of it.

regards

The whiplash claim?

Nothing said.

I think they had simply got too close because I was footling about
having missed the *entry* to a shed car park. Further back, I would have
seen them and they could have thought of sounding the horn.

There is an apocryphal tale of somebody ridiculing the suggestion that
car bumpers should all be the same height on the basis that you couldn't
compare a mini and a rolls. Apparently, at that time, they were the
same!

regards

--
Tim Lamb