In article ,
hugh ] wrote:
Hmm. I saw a Rangie hit from the rear on a motorway at speed by an
ordinary car. Not going very much faster either. It flipped over. And
over. And over. The car stopped safely.

Don't confuse Range Rovers with proper Land Rovers

Really? Land Rover adopted Rangie suspension. Not before time, either.

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On Oct 16, 1:19*pm, hugh ] wrote:

Don't confuse Range Rovers with proper Land Rovers

Similarly don't confuse Range Rovers with proper (classic) Range
Rovers

On 16/10/2011 00:24, geoff wrote:
In message om,
"dennis@home" writes

I expect one more than you as I actually use my mirrors.

Everyone does, that's what they're there for

That's not my experience. Nor that of at least one person up-thread.

On 13/10/2011 22:43, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

I rear-ended a c**t who'd just pulled in front of me and then had to
slam on his brakes because of a ripple. Entirely his fault.

(my asterisks)

Andy

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Andy Dingley writes
On Oct 16, 1:19*pm, hugh ] wrote:

Don't confuse Range Rovers with proper Land Rovers

Similarly don't confuse Range Rovers with proper (classic) Range
Rovers
Right on :-)
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Mike writes
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:26:44 +0100, "Roberts" wrote:

With Tailgating always let the person overtake you especially in Hampshire
where the police tailgate people to make them speed up so that they can be
nicked. If you do not speed they will give your vehicle a close inspection
when they stop you.

So turning on the pump that fires a light misting of used brake fluid
and engine oil from the nozzle under my rear bumper ensuring a
covering all over the windscreen of any tailgater isn't the correct
response then?

Just get yourself a Defender with towball set to optimum BMW
radiator height.

My Hilux one works.

Unfortunately this particular BMW was black, driving on sidelights
and not visible in my mirrors. So I reversed into him! Visible damage
was only the number plate but who knows what the insurers made of it.

regards

The whiplash claim?

Nothing said.

I think they had simply got too close because I was footling about
having missed the *entry* to a shed car park. Further back, I would
have seen them and they could have thought of sounding the horn.

There is an apocryphal tale of somebody ridiculing the suggestion that
car bumpers should all be the same height on the basis that you
couldn't compare a mini and a rolls. Apparently, at that time, they
were the same!

regards

Yes, I believe there is a standard international bumper height set by
those well known experts in design safety- the Americans - in the late
50s. It is just below knee height thus ensuring that when a pedestrian
is hit they are flung up in the air to ensure maximum damage on the way
down.
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In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
There is an apocryphal tale of somebody ridiculing the suggestion that
car bumpers should all be the same height on the basis that you couldn't
compare a mini and a rolls. Apparently, at that time, they were the
same!

Some versions of the Mini had different height bumpers back and front.

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On 16/10/2011 23:05, hugh wrote:
SNIP
Yes, I believe there is a standard international bumper height set by
those well known experts in design safety- the Americans - in the late
50s. It is just below knee height thus ensuring that when a pedestrian
is hit they are flung up in the air to ensure maximum damage on the way
down.

I thought that below knee height was supposed to be good - throwing you
onto the bonnet/windscreen rather than dragging you under the car.

SteveW

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:05:41 +0100, hugh ] wrote:


Yes, I believe there is a standard international bumper height set by
those well known experts in design safety


You may remember that bumpers (the old chrome-plated ones) had
overriders at either side to cater for differences in actual height
between conflicting vehicles' bumpers...

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:05:41 +0100, hugh wrote:

Yes, I believe there is a standard international bumper height set by
those well known experts in design safety- the Americans - in the late
50s. It is just below knee height thus ensuring that when a pedestrian
is hit they are flung up in the air to ensure maximum damage on the way
down.

Being flung into the air is preferable to being pushed and trapped
underneath or being run over by the wheels... I think there is less
chance of suffering a bad knee injury with the impact below rather
than above as well.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:05:41 +0100, hugh wrote:

Yes, I believe there is a standard international bumper height set by
those well known experts in design safety- the Americans - in the late
50s. It is just below knee height thus ensuring that when a pedestrian
is hit they are flung up in the air to ensure maximum damage on the way
down.

Being flung into the air is preferable to being pushed and trapped
underneath or being run over by the wheels... I think there is less
chance of suffering a bad knee injury with the impact below rather
than above as well.

depends whether you land on your head and break your neck..my first
witnessed RTA age 12.

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
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On 16/10/2011 23:05, hugh wrote:
SNIP
Yes, I believe there is a standard international bumper height set by
those well known experts in design safety- the Americans - in the late
50s. It is just below knee height thus ensuring that when a pedestrian
is hit they are flung up in the air to ensure maximum damage on the way
down.

I thought that below knee height was supposed to be good - throwing you
onto the bonnet/windscreen rather than dragging you under the car.

Below the knee is the best you can do.
Then you need energy absorption to stop you (the pedestrian) being thrown up
too high.
Then you need driver training to ensure he doesn't just pile on the brakes
and throw you off causing you even more damage when you hit the ground. This
will probably happen due to instinct anyway.

The OH's car has soft bumpers and a collapsible bonnet to help pedestrians
survive a hit.

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On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 23:05:41 +0100, hugh ] wrote:


Yes, I believe there is a standard international bumper height set by
those well known experts in design safety


You may remember that bumpers (the old chrome-plated ones) had
overriders at either side to cater for differences in actual height
between conflicting vehicles' bumpers...

My first real car had rear overriders mounted on flat spring steel
bolted to the chassis. Chassis! There a word you don't often hear:-)

regards


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My first real car had rear overriders mounted on flat spring steel bolted
to the chassis. Chassis! There a word you don't often hear:-)

Yep, most cars got rid of that junk years ago.

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:58:39 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
Then you need driver training to ensure he doesn't just pile on the
brakes and throw you off causing you even more damage when you hit the
ground. This will probably happen due to instinct anyway.

This is why every vehicle needs a Spirit of Ecstasy-style ornament on the
bonnet; it acts as an effective hook so they don't slide off again.

On 17/10/2011 12:37, Jules Richardson wrote:
This is why every vehicle needs a Spirit of Ecstasy-style ornament on the
bonnet; it acts as an effective hook so they don't slide off again.

Finally it makes sense to me why they are spring loaded; they pop down
as the pedestrian goes on, then pop up so they don't fall off again...

Andy