Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

i know half of the problem, i am medicaly retired (progressive joint
problems, gut problems, anemia etc), dont have kids, dont smoke, dont drink,
dont eat takeaways etc, so all the money i get goes on me, hence i have a
motorhome (self built over 7 years and perfectly fine with the DWP.. they
even said it was a good thing, gives me something to do rather than being a
couch potatoe)
we also have a new car, which my parents bought... they put my brother
through uni on a 5 year course, so spent a quarter of what they spent on him
for a new economical car for me.

Nextdoor have a kid, smoke like chimneys, dunno about drink but i often hear
them moaning about the cost of their fags and it leaving them with hardly
any money to buy food for the kid with!!

bloke got made redundant last year, and seems to have only had temporary
jobs since, and had a long time on JSA,
thats when they turned frosty,

i can see why, they are struggeling to get by, paid over the odd for their
house (bought it for 150k, it's been valued at 115k when they thought about
moving to a cheaper area when he got made redundant, and they've spent about
15k doing the house up... i know this as they talk to their friends in the
driveway, and i can clearly hear them)
And next door to them is someone living in practicaly the same house, but
renting, has money to spend on him self, dosent work and so on (never mind
the fact that i am often stuck in bed or on the toilet for days on end)

someone keeps phoning the benefits anti fraud hotline and telling them every
single thing i ever do, i can be 99% certian it's them doing it, as the list
of things reported.. most can only be seen from their window, and they
report everything, when i check the oil in the motorhome, 'he's leaning over
the bonnet, disab led people shouldent be able to do that' was the one for
that (had a visit from the bebefits compliance officer, he showed me the
list..3 pages worth and he gets more daily, he said he's tried to ignore
them, but had to come out and check... but more to let me know he said)

i park my motorhome paralell with the house front, this means i have to go
over the very front of their drive to get in and out, our drive is L shaped,
the bit that goes along the side of the house to the garage, then an extra
bit infront of the house, theirs is just the side bit (joined to ours down
the middle), and grass infront of the house.. we chose this house as it had
room for my motorhome and car.

i asked them about me having to go over their drive when i brought the van
over, and they said no problems, i only do it 10 times a year if that, but
now it seems they have changed their minds, and have just sunk a 4 foot
scaffold pole with a solar light on the top right at the end of the drive,
meaning my motorhome is now trapped, there's a railing along the front of my
drive (and along the off side of the van), so i'll have to remove that to
get out i guess,

They also keep claiming my dog is ****ting on their front lawn, despite me
making sure she never does, they can never show me the offending turds tho,
even tho i said if they see one, tell me and i'll clean it up.

As my girlfriend has a scooter, i park my car on the join of the drives,
this allows her to get her scoot out of the garage and past my car between
the house wall,
nextdoor have taken to parking their car and his van right on the join of
the drive too, she scraped the length of my car with her mirror the other
day cos of that,
yesterday she was parked with her wheels over our drive (ours is block
paved, with a slightly raised bit where the drives join which clearly marks
out hte boundries, end of the raised bit is where ours ends, the tarmac is
theirs.. it's perfectly in the middle of the boundry line and garages
middles)

i parked my car as i normaly do, meaning if she reversed she'd go into my
car, so my GF got some photo's of the way she parked just incase.

again i asked them about parking like that, i said i'd feel happier doing it
that way, than if i parked against my house wall, then my GF would be
backing her scoot between my and their cars, rather than a wall and my car,

Now when i try to talk to them, they say they are too busy, and walk off, i
honnestly tried to be friendly with them,

So now i'm thinking **** em, i'm not going to drive the van over their
scaffold pole light post even tho i am tempted to, 5 tons of van with a
solid steel bumper insert against a scaffold pole, i know which will win,
and that'd leave the scaffold pole bent over blocking their drive, but
that'd leave me open to criminal dammage charges?? or would i just have to
pay for the scaffold pole??

So what can i do to annoy them, but not go too far that they can do anything
about it,
thought about putting a cctv camera looking down the drive, it'd not be
connected up, but i know people get really arsey about them,

i could get a decibel meter, and play horrible gothy death metal type music
at 1DB under the legal limit,

maybe put a flagpole back out the front (this place had one before we moved
in) they are cristians, i could fly an athiest flag, or a satan worshiper
flag, but i think that might not be allowed, people flying jolly rogers have
been done,
they are not the type to be loyal to the country, so flying a union flag
upside down wont do owt.

i'd put a big sticker in the upstairs window that overlooks their kitchen
(did overlook a bedroom, but he blocked their window up... breeze blocks
behind the window)
i know they pull the kitchen blind when ever they see me up in that room,
hmm, maybe a lifesize print of me staring in their window, then they'd have
to live in darkness all the time,

i would really like to have been friends, but this light post thing has
screwed that up.

You may be entirely genuine, or you may be *solely* responsible for
the entire national debt - regardless of which - you sound like a
reasonable bloke.

So don't stoop to their level.

Your neighbour situation is very, very common - if it's any
consolation.

So are the endless "shop they neignbour" (usually anonymous) letters
to the DSS. The DSS aren't stupid - they know that most such letters
to them are malicious/vindictive rather a genuine concern.

Just don't get drawn into a confrontation - after all that's what
they're looking for - some way to genuinely *justify* their feelings
about you.

In article ,
"gazz" writes:
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

So what can i do to annoy them, but not go too far that they can do anything
about it,

You can annoy them most by pretending you haven't noticed any of the
digs at you, and continuing to treat them as the best of friends,
i.e. that not only have their tactics failed, they've gone completely
unnoticed.

There's a risk that might lead to a ramping up of the tactics, so you
might instead choose to not actually annoy them further.

Understand that their behaviour is probably being brought about by
their own stress at being out of work and skint, but looking for
something to else to blame it on. Don't provide them with a hook to
hang their problems on by winding them up further - you've nothing
to gain and plenty to lose if it gets a whole lot worse.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"gazz" writes:
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

So what can i do to annoy them, but not go too far that they can do
anything
about it,

You can annoy them most by pretending you haven't noticed any of the
digs at you, and continuing to treat them as the best of friends,
i.e. that not only have their tactics failed, they've gone completely
unnoticed.

There's a risk that might lead to a ramping up of the tactics, so you
might instead choose to not actually annoy them further.

Understand that their behaviour is probably being brought about by
their own stress at being out of work and skint, but looking for
something to else to blame it on. Don't provide them with a hook to
hang their problems on by winding them up further - you've nothing
to gain and plenty to lose if it gets a whole lot worse.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Planners of new houses need to be mindful of the tensions that can get
created with boundaries.

two wrongs dont make a right
[g]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:21:29 +0100, "gazz" wrote:

Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,


Smile politely and be chatty with them. For a couple of weeks. In the
meantime, arrange things so you can get your vehicles off your drive
without over running their drive or damaging anything.

Cut some flowers from the garden or soemthing equally nice and take
them round. Say how depressed you've been cos your illness is
progressively worse and you'd like to make the most of the time you
have at this stage left but some blighter's reported you for being
mobilie and it's made you depressed. Blame another neighbour and cry,
saying how sad it makes you.
Say if they throw you off the sick you'll be living in the motorhome
and renting out the place to a family you know who're a bit rough
until you get to know them, but are basically sound and have about 12
kids.


--
http://www.halloweenfreebies.co.uk
http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

"gazz" wrote in message
...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,
snip

With all that I would seek legal advice on harassment from them and/or get
even.

I'm sure with some simple observations you can find out if they are doing
*anything* that might attract the attention of HM Customs &
Excise/Council/Police etc etc.

Alternatively you could move to a less pikey area where your hobby,
lifestyle and needs are more comfortably accommodated, but hey....isn't that
what they want you to do.

Imagine their surprise if you did move and the council let the place to a
less "acceptable" family or person that simply didn't give in to their
whinging ways.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:06:55 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
"gazz" writes:
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

So what can i do to annoy them, but not go too far that they can do anything
about it,

You can annoy them most by pretending you haven't noticed any of the
digs at you, and continuing to treat them as the best of friends,
i.e. that not only have their tactics failed, they've gone completely
unnoticed.

This is good advice - it sounds like whatever you're already doing is
winding them up enough already. There's an old saying (that fits
usenet as well): don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their
level, then beat you with experience.
Don't let these people drag you down to their level.

mogga wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:21:29 +0100, "gazz" wrote:

Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,


Smile politely and be chatty with them. For a couple of weeks. In the
meantime, arrange things so you can get your vehicles off your drive
without over running their drive or damaging anything.

Cut some flowers from the garden or soemthing equally nice and take
them round. Say how depressed you've been cos your illness is
progressively worse and you'd like to make the most of the time you
have at this stage left but some blighter's reported you for being
mobilie and it's made you depressed. Blame another neighbour and cry,
saying how sad it makes you.
Say if they throw you off the sick you'll be living in the motorhome
and renting out the place to a family you know who're a bit rough
until you get to know them, but are basically sound and have about 12
kids.

Nice one)))

"gazz" wrote in message
...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,


Good for you, this group is not for solving any emotional or psychological
problems people have. So I suggest you go and tell someone who cares.


i know half of the problem, i am medicaly retired (progressive joint
problems, gut problems, anemia etc), dont have kids, dont smoke, dont
drink, dont eat takeaways etc, so all the money i get goes on me, hence i
have a motorhome (self built over 7 years and perfectly fine with the
DWP.. they even said it was a good thing, gives me something to do rather
than being a couch potatoe)

I always laugh when people who claim to have such restricted movement
that it enables them to qualify for benefits climb in to a low sports car -
which
is on motability finance! The very action of climbing in and out of a car
means
they have lied on their claim forms. Movement becomes unrestricted near a
car or DIY store for example, when they carry items about and load up the
car.



we also have a new car, which my parents bought... they put my brother
through uni on a 5 year course, so spent a quarter of what they spent on
him for a new economical car for me.


So what!


Nextdoor have a kid, smoke like chimneys, dunno about drink but i often
hear them moaning about the cost of their fags and it leaving them with
hardly any money to buy food for the kid with!!


That is as bad as pensioners moaning about having to pay council tax, but
forgetting
they have a huge income from private pensions.


bloke got made redundant last year, and seems to have only had temporary
jobs since, and had a long time on JSA,
thats when they turned frosty,


Happens all over the country - he is not alone. He will get suitable
benefits.

i can see why, they are struggeling to get by, paid over the odd for their
house (bought it for 150k, it's been valued at 115k when they thought
about moving to a cheaper area when he got made redundant, and they've
spent about 15k doing the house up... i know this as they talk to their
friends in the driveway, and i can clearly hear them)

You do not know what he paid for his house or whether he has a mortgage.
His family might have given him money. You sound like an irritating and
nosey
old neighbour with nothing better to do than involve yourself in the
business of
others.

And next door to them is someone living in practicaly the same house, but
renting, has money to spend on him self, dosent work and so on (never mind
the fact that i am often stuck in bed or on the toilet for days on end)


Always good to put that bit in as you either want people to feel sorry for
you
or are afraid of saying too much as people on here work for the DSS!!!
You also do not know the personal circumstances of the person renting the
house.
There is a lot of poor guess work on your part here. Maybe you are the real
problem as you're annoyed the neighbours do not want you to know everything.

someone keeps phoning the benefits anti fraud hotline and telling them
every single thing i ever do, i can be 99% certian it's them doing it, as
the list of things reported.. most can only be seen from their window, and
they report everything, when i check the oil in the motorhome, 'he's
leaning over the bonnet, disab led people shouldent be able to do that'
was the one for that (had a visit from the bebefits compliance officer, he
showed me the list..3 pages worth and he gets more daily, he said he's
tried to ignore them, but had to come out and check... but more to let me
know he said)


I completely agree with this as there is nothing stopping you from working
from what you say - you just choose not to. I agree that someone who has
put on a benefit claim form that they can not bend over should be questioned
if they are found to have been doing so. The same goes for carrying
shopping
or playing golf for example. The DSS fraud team would not give you full
details or of who keeps reporting you. The first time they get a report
they
will be watching you anyway, also following you about all day to see if you
are committing fraud. So it is always worth not trying to put things on a
claim
form that you can do, or you might get caught out.

i park my motorhome paralell with the house front, this means i have to go
over the very front of their drive to get in and out, our drive is L
shaped, the bit that goes along the side of the house to the garage, then
an extra bit infront of the house, theirs is just the side bit (joined to
ours down the middle), and grass infront of the house.. we chose this
house as it had room for my motorhome and car.


What has that got to do with it. The DSS will be taking pictures.

i asked them about me having to go over their drive when i brought the van
over, and they said no problems, i only do it 10 times a year if that, but
now it seems they have changed their minds, and have just sunk a 4 foot
scaffold pole with a solar light on the top right at the end of the drive,
meaning my motorhome is now trapped, there's a railing along the front of
my drive (and along the off side of the van), so i'll have to remove that
to get out i guess,


So this is the REAL problem, your neighbour has stopped you going over
their property and you're playing the "disabled" card ! How sad are you.
They have done that so they will get some video footage of you attempting to
remove the railing, also the DSS will be watching for the same thing.

They also keep claiming my dog is ****ting on their front lawn, despite me
making sure she never does, they can never show me the offending turds
tho, even tho i said if they see one, tell me and i'll clean it up.


Fit a security camera then, film it.


As my girlfriend has a scooter, i park my car on the join of the drives,
this allows her to get her scoot out of the garage and past my car between
the house wall,
nextdoor have taken to parking their car and his van right on the join of
the drive too, she scraped the length of my car with her mirror the other
day cos of that,

That's quite funny. You can't say something is OK for you to do because
it is, but not for your neighbour. Maybe your girlfriend needs to have her
eyes tested if she can't see a parked car. If she can't see your car or get
past then you need to move YOUR car or tell her to park elsewhere.


yesterday she was parked with her wheels over our drive (ours is block
paved, with a slightly raised bit where the drives join which clearly
marks out hte boundries, end of the raised bit is where ours ends, the
tarmac is theirs.. it's perfectly in the middle of the boundry line and
garages middles)

i parked my car as i normaly do, meaning if she reversed she'd go into my
car, so my GF got some photo's of the way she parked just incase.

again i asked them about parking like that, i said i'd feel happier doing
it that way, than if i parked against my house wall, then my GF would be
backing her scoot between my and their cars, rather than a wall and my
car,


What? If there is a boundary you can't park on the top of it!
You sound like you're bored and just looking for a fight with your
neighbours.

Now when i try to talk to them, they say they are too busy, and walk off,
i honnestly tried to be friendly with them,


You're not the type of person people would WANT to be friendly with.
If you lived anywhere near me you would find a fence or a wall between
the drives or the boundary built up so it could not be parked on or driven
over. I would also report someone like you if I knew you were claiming
benefits but doing things that demonstrated you did not have any restricted
movement as required for a claim.


So now i'm thinking **** em, i'm not going to drive the van over their
scaffold pole light post even tho i am tempted to,

You will be arrested for criminal damage and shouting "disabled" will do
no good. It is not your property and you have NO right to drive over it.

5 tons of van with a solid steel bumper insert against a scaffold pole, i
know which will win,

Stupid man, get a ife or go and see your Doctor as you need help!

and that'd leave the scaffold pole bent over blocking their drive, but
that'd leave me open to criminal dammage charges?? or would i just have to
pay for the scaffold pole??


Oh what a complete idiot you come across as, no wonder the neighbours
do not like you and do not want to speak to you. They are probably decent
people just annoyed with people getting questionable benefits.

So what can i do to annoy them, but not go too far that they can do
anything about it,

Nothing, if you were to shut up and keep away from them and everyone else
it would solve the problem YOU have with other people.

thought about putting a cctv camera looking down the drive, it'd not be
connected up, but i know people get really arsey about them,


You would find yourself in trouble for doing that.

i could get a decibel meter, and play horrible gothy death metal type
music at 1DB under the legal limit,


Why? They might enjoy that. You needto see a psychiatrist.

maybe put a flagpole back out the front (this place had one before we
moved in) they are cristians, i could fly an athiest flag, or a satan
worshiper flag, but i think that might not be allowed, people flying jolly
rogers have been done,

No they have NOT, that is an urban myth. Make sure you have planning
permission first.

they are not the type to be loyal to the country, so flying a union flag
upside down wont do owt.


How do you know? They are probably much better and more honest than
you will ever be. At least they are not claiming questionable benefits.


i'd put a big sticker in the upstairs window that overlooks their kitchen
(did overlook a bedroom, but he blocked their window up... breeze blocks
behind the window)

You sound like you are mentally ill now. Very disturbed and jealous of
anyone else having a life or being normal.

i know they pull the kitchen blind when ever they see me up in that room,
hmm, maybe a lifesize print of me staring in their window, then they'd
have to live in darkness all the time,


Make sure you do not get done for voyeurism. Why would you stand looking
in to your neighbour's windows, is that what you do for a bit of excitement?

i would really like to have been friends, but this light post thing has
screwed that up.

I doubt you are anyones friend - the psychological problem seems to be
yours.
Get a life and watch you are not sectioned. Your neighbors have been
keeping
a log for months with every little thing you have done.

"gazz" wrote in message
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Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,



Feed their dog laxative chocolate.

mark

In message
,
Owain writes
If they go on holiday you could phone the customs hotline.
I've often wondered if it's that easy to arrange a body cavity search
for someone..

Owain




--
Clint Sharp

mark wrote:
"gazz" wrote in message
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Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,



Feed their dog laxative chocolate.

Whoa.. what did their dog do to you??? Leave the poor thing alone!!

"gazz" wrote in message
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You could grow up

gazz wrote:
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,


Whatever you do, enjoy doing it, don't get caught, and either make sure
it makes them so mad that it causes them to overstep the mark and gets
them into serious trouble, that they cant or daren't retaliate over, or
that any trouble they get is completely coincidental and happens when
you are somewhere else, or they are too thick to work out how its done.

A good starting point is Kiplings 'Stalky & Co'. It's all online I think.

Another good trick is a nice interference generator that gets plugged
into the mains or phone system, and wrecks TV/radio/audio/broadband
randomly and untraceably. With no pattern. Or high power ham or CB
transmitter deliberately mistuned.

Another interesting ploy is the large firework that goes off at 2 a.m.
FROM THEIR GARDEN.

This may be tricky. But if the rest of the neighbours start bitching
about them..

george (dicegeorge) wrote:
two wrongs dont make a right
[g]

who is talking morality?

On 18 Oct, 15:21, "gazz" wrote:
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

i know half of the problem, i am medicaly retired (progressive joint
problems, gut problems, anemia etc), dont have kids, dont smoke, dont drink,
dont eat takeaways etc, so all the money i get goes on me, hence i have a
motorhome (self built over 7 years and perfectly fine with the DWP.. they
even said it was a good thing, gives me something to do rather than being a
couch potatoe)

Fcuk em, mate. You're making the best of what you've got, they're
jealous. If you respond to their vile behaviour, you risk becoming
contaminated with their bitter hatred. Just get on with your life and
don't waste a millisecond on thinking of them.

Smile cheerfully at them, wish them a bright and joyous good day
whenever you see them; it will drive them mad.
Speak to the DWP, tell them you think your neighbours are harrassing
you by reporting your every move.

gazz wrote:

i would really like to have been friends, but this light post thing has
screwed that up.

Very large noticable web address in your window.

www.mywonderfulneighbour.info

--
Adrian C

Best way to annoy them is do nothing.
- If you do anything it will work against you
- Even if you do nothing they will most likely invent

The ideal solution is to get the DWP to write back to them stating
they "have investigated their complaints and found there was no case
to answer". It may be worth asking them, or asking a solicitor if it
is possible.

An alternative is to get the DWP to confirm in writing there is "no
case to answer" and putting it through their letterbox, or holding it
in reserve if the police ever get involved re harassment. People
behave quite differently and the police can bring up such matters -
deflates such fools most effectively.

I'm afraid it is *very* common.
Smear & slander are now a very common part of neighbours, business,
schools (particularly private, hiding behind charitable trust), even
medical profession (paying full fee for a school when you are an
assisted place and thus should not be allowed to sit all your
subjects, or choose your A-level subjects, or choose university, or
receive references, essentially a charitable trust having a
blacklist).

UK has had 14yrs of hyper-credit - mal-invested in firstly consumption
and secondly in recreating & exceeding the late 1980s housing bubble.
The net result is too many people are "in the ****". I am not, sounds
like you are not either. Smile. Realise financial problems destroy
famillies & lives - often by their own making, creating incredible
frustration which leads to a "collateral lash-out" at any around them
at perceived injustice, fuelling a reinforcing righteous revenge.

Beware it may only take a spark, so worth getting a DWP letter
confirming "no problem" on file as necessary.

Best wishes.

On 18 Oct, 16:06, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * "gazz" writes:

Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,
So what can i do to annoy them, but not go too far that they can do anything
about it,



I'm with Andrew on this one. when you get nearer to Christmas knock on
their door with a box of Christmas Crackers or some other festive
giving and say the DWP gave your a Christmas bonus and you wanted to
share it with your lovely neighbours - thank you.

Then, cool as a cucumber just walk away happy, smiling and wave back
to them.

If they really think you are conning the system you could at a later
time accuse them of being an accessory, if nothing else. I'd go for
the line "hey do you know what, somone grassed me up, now theDWP want
me to give them a list of eberyone who has accepted gifts or payments
from me, I'm sorry but that is going to have to include you".

The games people play! - the 'art' is called kidology and you need to
be on top of it

"gazz" wrote in message
...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

It sounds as if they hate you for many of the reasons that BNP members hate
immigrants. I suggest you ignore them and get on with your life. The main
think is to not let them wind you up or upset you.

Bill

"Roger" wrote in message
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"gazz" wrote in message
...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,


Good for you, this group is not for solving any emotional or psychological
problems people have. So I suggest you go and tell someone who cares.

no this isnt a group for anything but DIY, but off topic posts are allowed,
as long as they are marked OT, however i am looking for a DIY solution, so
does that help?

i know half of the problem, i am medicaly retired

I always laugh when people who claim to have such restricted movement
that it enables them to qualify for benefits climb in to a low sports
car - which is on motability finance! The very action of climbing in and
out of a car means they have lied on their claim forms. Movement becomes
unrestricted near a
car or DIY store for example, when they carry items about and load up the
car.

i am not medicaly retired for restricted movement, i have a degenerative
joint problem yes, but that's just an 'add on' to the reasons i have been
medicaly retired, my main problems concern my bowels and blood, so unless
you like watching people in the toilet or can take blood samples without me
knowing, how are you going to know what is up with me,
or is it the 'he's not in a wheelchair, so there's nowt wrong with him'
thing again??

i dont have a sports car either, my car has surprisingly high seats for it's
type, and the motorhome you have to physicaly climb up into the cab and sit
upright as if at a dinner table chair, neither vehicle is on motability
either

You do not know what he paid for his house or whether he has a mortgage.

I know exactly what he paid for his house, which is 42 grand more than what
it sold for 8 months before they bought it,
give me your address and i will tell you what you paid for yours,
btw, i'd just be looking on www.houseprices.co.uk so don't go thinking i
have dodgy connection with a spying organisation or owt,
when we first moved in they told us waht they had bought their house for, as
our place was for sale or to let, and it was for sale at 40 grand below what
they paid for theirs, despite being the exact same type, and apparantly the
conditions were very similar too, i.e. in desperate need of modernising.

And i know they have a mortgage because they were moaning about the DSS only
paying their mortgages interest when he was on JSA earlier this year, they
thought they should be paying their loan off too.

someone keeps phoning the benefits anti fraud hotline

I completely agree with this as there is nothing stopping you from working
from what you say - you just choose not to. I agree that someone who has
put on a benefit claim form that they can not bend over should be
questioned
if they are found to have been doing so. The same goes for carrying
shopping or playing golf for example.

The DWP medical bods don't think so, neither does my doctor or hospital
consultants, last place i worked, nor the place they sent me on a 'back to
work trial',
and i never put on my claim form that i can not bend, carry shopping, play
golf (not that i do anyway), that's whe whole thing i was getting at, the
neigbours think like you, 'wheres the wheelchair, if there isnt one he's a
benefits scrounging pikey'

The first time they get a report they
will be watching you anyway, also following you about all day to see if
you
are committing fraud.

the DSS have done the sitting in a car at the end of the street, taking
photo's, following me where i drive thing, they are not hard to spot when
you live in a quiet area with maybe 10 cars passing a day, i imagine i did
nothing i wasnt supposed to as that was 5 months ago, and i've heard nowt
since.

i asked them about me having to go over their drive when i brought the
van over, and they said no problems,

So this is the REAL problem, your neighbour has stopped you going over
their property and you're playing the "disabled" card ! How sad are you.
They have done that so they will get some video footage of you attempting
to
remove the railing, also the DSS will be watching for the same thing.

i dunno what they will get by filming me removing the railing, i've not said
i can't on my claim forms,
i'll do it at 3 in the morning tho, and hire a pneumatic road breaker with a
broken silencer on the compressor unit to do the job, so they'd better have
a very good low light camera to capture anything

yesterday she was parked with her wheels over our drive (ours is block
paved, with a slightly raised bit where the drives join which clearly
marks out hte boundries, end of the raised bit is where ours ends, the
tarmac is theirs.. it's perfectly in the middle of the boundry line and
garages middles)

What? If there is a boundary you can't park on the top of it!
You sound like you're bored and just looking for a fight with your
neighbours.

The boundry is where their tarmac drive meets the raised bricks from our
block paved drive, the raised blocks are ours, it's these blocks they have
taken to parking on, and the other day she was parked ove them too and on
the flat part of our drive, and i'm in the wrong?

I would also report someone like you if I knew you were claiming
benefits but doing things that demonstrated you did not have any
restricted
movement as required for a claim.

i dont claim for restricted movements, so you'd be doing exactly what the
neigbours have been doing, then getting ****ed off when nothing happens like
you hoped,

It is not your property and you have NO right to drive over it.

just like they have no right to park on my property, but at least i got
permision from them to occasionaly drive over their property, they have
never asked if they can park on my drive.

thought about putting a cctv camera looking down the drive, it'd not be
connected up, but i know people get really arsey about them,


You would find yourself in trouble for doing that.

Why? it'd be looking down MY drive, just like some of the other houses in
this street have, only mine wouldent be connected, it'd just be there to
make them wonder why it's suddenly been put there.

i know they pull the kitchen blind when ever they see me up in that room,
hmm, maybe a lifesize print of me staring in their window, then they'd
have to live in darkness all the time,

Make sure you do not get done for voyeurism. Why would you stand looking
in to your neighbour's windows, is that what you do for a bit of
excitement?

well, if i'm being a vouyer i'm not doing it well, i thought the idea was
not to be seen, and i dont stand staring in their windows, when ever me or
my GF are in that room and they see us in the window, the blind comes
shooting down, maybe they are the vouyers as they are obviousely looking in
our window, i only notice them there when i glance in that direction.

gazz wrote:
"Roger" wrote in message
...

"gazz" wrote in message
...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,


Good for you, this group is not for solving any emotional or
psychological
problems people have. So I suggest you go and tell someone who cares.

no this isnt a group for anything but DIY, but off topic posts are
allowed, as long as they are marked OT, however i am looking for a DIY
solution, so does that help?


You've replied to a Troll. Best ignore him.

--
Adrian C

"John Rumm" wrote in message

i would really like to have been friends, but this light post thing has
screwed that up.

Not being friends is different from having sworn enemies!

that does make sense, just bloody annoying that they have done the lamp post
thing deliberately trapping my motorhome in the drive, they never even
bothered to tell me so i could get the van out, now it's stuck in there
untill i take the railings down,

Still, i wanted to take the railings down since we moved in, just got to get
permision off the landlord to do so, i'll take em out and keep em in the
garden, and put em back when we move out,

Personaly i prefer the open plan feeling of not having a wall/railings,
gates fences and so on between the path and drive, the road we live on is so
quiet that it's a big event when a car that dosent belong to someone living
here comes down the road (the curtians twitch like a mexican wave following
it down the road

I've inadvertantly left my garage door open overnight a few times, all my
tools, GF's scooter and when i had it, my motorbike were visable and for the
taking, yet nothing has gone missing... mind the neigbours never closed it
for me or let me know it was open, yet i have handed them their car keys at
least 20 times when they leave them in the door, and i wound their cars
windows up the time they were wide open and it suddenly started raining.

But if nextdoor want to make their place feel like a prison camp, then
that's their prerogative, it's not exactly in keeping with the area, but i'd
rather they did it so as to not affect me, or at least give me warning to i
can make alternative arangements, i could have taken the van to my parents
house and left it there till next year, if they had asked,

like i'd put some frosted vinyl on the upstairs window... if they asked me
to, i can't do anything bout something that's annoying them unless they let
me know, i'm apparantly psychotic not psychic

"js.b1" wrote in message
...
Best way to annoy them is do nothing.
- If you do anything it will work against you
- Even if you do nothing they will most likely invent

The ideal solution is to get the DWP to write back to them stating
they "have investigated their complaints and found there was no case
to answer". It may be worth asking them, or asking a solicitor if it
is possible.

An alternative is to get the DWP to confirm in writing there is "no
case to answer" and putting it through their letterbox, or holding it
in reserve if the police ever get involved re harassment. People
behave quite differently and the police can bring up such matters -
deflates such fools most effectively.

I'm afraid it is *very* common.
Smear & slander are now a very common part of neighbours, business,
schools (particularly private, hiding behind charitable trust), even
medical profession (paying full fee for a school when you are an
assisted place and thus should not be allowed to sit all your
subjects, or choose your A-level subjects, or choose university, or
receive references, essentially a charitable trust having a
blacklist).

UK has had 14yrs of hyper-credit - mal-invested in firstly consumption
and secondly in recreating & exceeding the late 1980s housing bubble.
The net result is too many people are "in the ****". I am not, sounds
like you are not either. Smile. Realise financial problems destroy
famillies & lives - often by their own making, creating incredible
frustration which leads to a "collateral lash-out" at any around them
at perceived injustice, fuelling a reinforcing righteous revenge.

Beware it may only take a spark, so worth getting a DWP letter
confirming "no problem" on file as necessary.


Easier to write one yourself, use one of their envelopes and with your name
but their address. Not sure if they use window envelopes?

In message
,
Owain writes
It's the sitting in a little room with a cardboard bedpan waiting for
the baked beans to take effect that's so miserable (apparently)

I had a boss I didn't like much once.
Hmm, I have several.

very evil chuckle

Owain



--
Clint Sharp

On Oct 18, 10:51*pm, "Fredxx" wrote:
"js.b1" wrote in message
So worth getting a DWP letter
confirming "no problem" on file as necessary.

Easier to write one yourself, use one of their envelopes and with
your name but their address. *Not sure if they use window envelopes?

No idea.

To fake an official document is not going to help the situation should
anything become official (ie, if they go nuts).

I would however ensure that in any dispute you have "DWP audit" or
whatever they do/did-do in writing. All to often hindsight is "I wish
I had kept X document or got Y document" - their presence can rapidly
embarass others.

"gazz" wrote in message ...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

i'd put a big sticker in the upstairs window that overlooks their kitchen
(did overlook a bedroom, but he blocked their window up... breeze blocks
behind the window)

One way of getting back in his good books might be by suggesting he tries
using some 6mm plywood instead. It would be much lighter, less dusty, and it
wouldn't take up so much room


michael adams

....

John Rumm wrote:
gazz wrote:

play golf (not that i do anyway), that's whe whole thing i was
getting at, the neigbours think like you, 'wheres the wheelchair, if
there isnt

You may have a point there. Roger seems to like to take whatever
stance on an issue he thinks the majority will find most
objectionable - it gets him better troll credibility.

I think '****' sums it up.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"dave" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:38:16 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:


"gazz" wrote in message
...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

It sounds as if they hate you for many of the reasons that BNP members
hate
immigrants. I suggest you ignore them and get on with your life. The main
think is to not let them wind you up or upset you.

Bill

Are you an immigrant yourself then Bill?
No.

Just wondered how you know BNP policy so well?
Your point is so fatuous it's hardly worth replying to, but as the subject
interests me I will.
Knowing that many BNP members hate immigrants is hardly unusual. I was
alluding to the fact that many members of the white underclass look round
for someone to blame for the fact their lives are failures. Of course, the
only real blame lies with themselves, but in their immature stupid way they
don't see this. So they blame immigration. Basically, they can't compete
with immigrants because they are basically too stupid and idle to succeed.
Immigrants have self-selected by having the nous to emigrate, so they are
often above average in many ways. Despite this, my opinion is that we have
far too many immigrants in the UK, simply because the population will be 70m
by 2035. The unfortunate thing is that the BNP have equated anti-immigration
policies with racism, because they are deeply, intrinsically, racist. If you
look at the BNP website you will see how very unintelligent they are, in
general, and how their policies and beliefs just don't add up. There are
those of use who hate racism, but are concerned that the culture, standards,
and traditions of indiginous population of the UK are quite likely to be
severely affected by the number of people of south Asian origin who will
live here in twenty years' time (because of the differening birthrates). We
dispair that no sensible discussion is possible because of political
correctness.

Bill

In article , gazz
writes
"John Rumm" wrote in message

i would really like to have been friends, but this light post thing has
screwed that up.

Not being friends is different from having sworn enemies!

that does make sense, just bloody annoying that they have done the lamp post
thing deliberately trapping my motorhome in the drive, they never even
bothered to tell me so i could get the van out, now it's stuck in there
untill i take the railings down,

Love is the best way forward, IME there is nothing more infuriating to
the petty minded than someone who is the object of their ire being nice
to them, and you get to walk away feeling happy about not descending to
their level (pride need not be a sin). No need to be over friendly, over
courteous or over generous, normal behaviour is just what is required.
You keep your karma, they waste their energy.

Anyway, is there any way that your campervan could escape if mounted on
castor equipped skates? On old pal who used to work in parking
enforcement used to jack cars onto skates to get them into more
recoverable positions. Possible hire or borrow option?

Good luck and it sound as if you have plenty of moral support to draw on
here if you need it in the future.

OT fine IMO btw, you are an unselfish regular.
--
fred
BBC3, ITV2/3/4, channels going to the DOGs

"gazz" wrote in message
...
Next door neigbours have turned weird with us,

i know half of the problem, i am medicaly retired (progressive joint
problems, gut problems, anemia etc), dont have kids, dont smoke, dont
drink, dont eat takeaways etc, so all the money i get goes on me, hence i
have a motorhome (self built over 7 years and perfectly fine with the
DWP.. they even said it was a good thing, gives me something to do rather
than being a couch potatoe)
we also have a new car, which my parents bought... they put my brother
through uni on a 5 year course, so spent a quarter of what they spent on
him for a new economical car for me.

Nextdoor have a kid, smoke like chimneys, dunno about drink but i often
hear them moaning about the cost of their fags and it leaving them with
hardly any money to buy food for the kid with!!

bloke got made redundant last year, and seems to have only had temporary
jobs since, and had a long time on JSA,
thats when they turned frosty,

i can see why, they are struggeling to get by, paid over the odd for their
house (bought it for 150k, it's been valued at 115k when they thought
about moving to a cheaper area when he got made redundant, and they've
spent about 15k doing the house up... i know this as they talk to their
friends in the driveway, and i can clearly hear them)
And next door to them is someone living in practicaly the same house, but
renting, has money to spend on him self, dosent work and so on (never mind
the fact that i am often stuck in bed or on the toilet for days on end)

someone keeps phoning the benefits anti fraud hotline and telling them
every single thing i ever do, i can be 99% certian it's them doing it, as
the list of things reported.. most can only be seen from their window, and
they report everything, when i check the oil in the motorhome, 'he's
leaning over the bonnet, disab led people shouldent be able to do that'
was the one for that (had a visit from the bebefits compliance officer, he
showed me the list..3 pages worth and he gets more daily, he said he's
tried to ignore them, but had to come out and check... but more to let me
know he said)

i park my motorhome paralell with the house front, this means i have to go
over the very front of their drive to get in and out, our drive is L
shaped, the bit that goes along the side of the house to the garage, then
an extra bit infront of the house, theirs is just the side bit (joined to
ours down the middle), and grass infront of the house.. we chose this
house as it had room for my motorhome and car.

i asked them about me having to go over their drive when i brought the van
over, and they said no problems, i only do it 10 times a year if that, but
now it seems they have changed their minds, and have just sunk a 4 foot
scaffold pole with a solar light on the top right at the end of the drive,
meaning my motorhome is now trapped, there's a railing along the front of
my drive (and along the off side of the van), so i'll have to remove that
to get out i guess,

They also keep claiming my dog is ****ting on their front lawn, despite me
making sure she never does, they can never show me the offending turds
tho, even tho i said if they see one, tell me and i'll clean it up.

As my girlfriend has a scooter, i park my car on the join of the drives,
this allows her to get her scoot out of the garage and past my car between
the house wall,
nextdoor have taken to parking their car and his van right on the join of
the drive too, she scraped the length of my car with her mirror the other
day cos of that,
yesterday she was parked with her wheels over our drive (ours is block
paved, with a slightly raised bit where the drives join which clearly
marks out hte boundries, end of the raised bit is where ours ends, the
tarmac is theirs.. it's perfectly in the middle of the boundry line and
garages middles)

i parked my car as i normaly do, meaning if she reversed she'd go into my
car, so my GF got some photo's of the way she parked just incase.

again i asked them about parking like that, i said i'd feel happier doing
it that way, than if i parked against my house wall, then my GF would be
backing her scoot between my and their cars, rather than a wall and my
car,

Now when i try to talk to them, they say they are too busy, and walk off,
i honnestly tried to be friendly with them,

So now i'm thinking **** em, i'm not going to drive the van over their
scaffold pole light post even tho i am tempted to, 5 tons of van with a
solid steel bumper insert against a scaffold pole, i know which will win,
and that'd leave the scaffold pole bent over blocking their drive, but
that'd leave me open to criminal dammage charges?? or would i just have to
pay for the scaffold pole??

So what can i do to annoy them, but not go too far that they can do
anything about it,
thought about putting a cctv camera looking down the drive, it'd not be
connected up, but i know people get really arsey about them,

i could get a decibel meter, and play horrible gothy death metal type
music at 1DB under the legal limit,

maybe put a flagpole back out the front (this place had one before we
moved in) they are cristians, i could fly an athiest flag, or a satan
worshiper flag, but i think that might not be allowed, people flying jolly
rogers have been done,
they are not the type to be loyal to the country, so flying a union flag
upside down wont do owt.

i'd put a big sticker in the upstairs window that overlooks their kitchen
(did overlook a bedroom, but he blocked their window up... breeze blocks
behind the window)
i know they pull the kitchen blind when ever they see me up in that room,
hmm, maybe a lifesize print of me staring in their window, then they'd
have to live in darkness all the time,

i would really like to have been friends, but this light post thing has
screwed that up.


Do the neighbours have a wireless doorbell?

All you need is a matching transmitter:-)

Adam

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:01:55 +0100, fred wrote:

Anyway, is there any way that your campervan could escape if mounted on
castor equipped skates? On old pal who used to work in parking
enforcement used to jack cars onto skates to get them into more
recoverable positions. Possible hire or borrow option?

Car showrooms use special things to put under two wheels of a car to spin
it round. Like a hand forklift with a bit lever on top and castors
underneath. Wheel it in, flip the lever and the wheel's about an inch of
the floor. Repeat for other wheel, and slide the vehicle round.



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:49:44 +0100, "gazz" wrote:

yet i have handed them their car keys at
least 20 times when they leave them in the door, and i wound their cars
windows up the time they were wide open and it suddenly started raining.

Stop being so helpful ;-) They will be really ****ed off when they
can't find their keys / discover a wet car seat

Anna

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...

Do the neighbours have a wireless doorbell?

All you need is a matching transmitter:-)

Just remember anything the OP does the neighbours can do back.
And they can't afford to move so if the OP wants to be childish and destroy
two families lives then let him.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Roger"
saying something like:

snip ****e

Some day, Roger, you'll slip up.
When that day comes, someone will be round your gaff with an angle
grinder.

"John Rumm" wrote in message

Love is the best way forward,

What, i should shag his wife??

Anyway, is there any way that your campervan could escape if mounted on
castor equipped skates? On old pal who used to work in parking enforcement
used to jack cars onto skates to get them into more recoverable positions.
Possible hire or borrow option?

i used to work for a recovery firm, used the skates a few times, but they
deffo wouldent take the weight of the van... about 3 tons on the rear
wheels,

also i would only just be able to get the van between their new lamp post
and the railings if i were driving it towards the garage, and it's parked at
90 degrees to that,
van is 7 meters long, and there's only 5 meters between the front of the
house and the railings, it's well and truly stuck right now.

So the railings will have to come out, which will make it easier for me to
get the van in and out in the future, and is something i wanted to do, but
was on my big list of round tuits,
the van isnt really going to be used again this year, i'd only need to have
gone out to re-fill the fuel tank for the centerla heating, but i have a few
25 litre containers my bio diesel i bought in scotland came in, so i can
always take two of them in the car to the oil depot to get some red
diesel... well i'll be getting kerosene this time as i need to clean the
combustion chamber out, and kerosene does the job nicely.

i'll just act normal as suggested, and having done so today it seems to be
working, as they are the ones more affected by it due to them changing their
routines,

I havent seen either of them today, even when i took the dog out for a walk
at 5:30, which is when they are always sat at their dining room table to
eat, they werent there today yet i could smell they had been cooking, so i
guess they are avoiding me,

The lamp post dosent hinder my access with my car in any way, it's a smart
car and can fit through much smaller gaps than people think......

Which makes me wonder if they thought i was driving over their drive every
day in my car, as the width of the drive at the front is 8.7 meters from
their drive to the hedge that marks our other boundry line, the van is 7
meters bumper to bumper, leaving a 1.7 meter gap between the front of it and
their drive's boundry, which is a bit tight for most cars, my dads VW touran
can't fit without going onto their drive he found out,

But the smart being 1.6 meters wide fits nicely without me having to even
touch the raised bit along the drives boundry, but if they don't know how to
judge a cars size properly (which she can't or she wouldent have scraped her
mirror along my car) then the may well think that their lamp post will make
it difficult for me to get my car in and out, tho if it did i dunno what
they thought i'd do about it, as the solution would be to park the van
somewhere else, but that can't be done now,

"Anna Kettle" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:49:44 +0100, "gazz" wrote:

yet i have handed them their car keys at
least 20 times when they leave them in the door, and i wound their cars
windows up the time they were wide open and it suddenly started raining.

Stop being so helpful ;-) They will be really ****ed off when they
can't find their keys / discover a wet car seat

oh don't worry, i'm not going to do it again, i did those things before this
lamp post thing happened,

i thought what i'd like to happen if the roles were reversed, i.e. i'd left
my car windows open and it rained and they saw it, tho i now know they'd
most likely do nothing,

They keep getting slow punctures on their car tyres (or have the same ones
and have never had em repaired) as i quite often see him out there with a
foot pump for 10 minutes pumping the tyre up.

i have a compressor in my garage, a pull out air line and a tyre inflator
gun, i've offered him the use of it a few times when i have seen him getting
annoyed at having to inflate the tyre with a foot pump, but he's always
refused, i offered to inflate the tyre for her when he was at work and she
had a flat, but she wanted to wait till he got home.
once i was checking my vans tyre pressures with it, and i could see him
looking at me whilst he was treading away on the foot pump, when i finished
i practicaly put the inflator gun in his hand, but he still wouldent use it,
said he was almost done on the foot pump (and pumped away for another 5
minutes to get the tyre anywhere near round)

So they really seem to resent me, so balls to them.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:53:11 +0100, gazz wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message

Love is the best way forward,

What, i should shag his wife??

It'd satisfy the "****ing off the neighbours" bit, although I'm not so
sure about "but not go too far" :-)

Anyway, is there any way that your campervan could escape if mounted on
castor equipped skates? On old pal who used to work in parking
enforcement used to jack cars onto skates to get them into more
recoverable positions. Possible hire or borrow option?

i used to work for a recovery firm, used the skates a few times, but
they deffo wouldent take the weight of the van... about 3 tons on the
rear wheels,

Yeah, wouldn't have thought it easy to move on those due to the weight,
even if they didn't outright break.

Shame about relations as if they'd just stuck this thing up on a bit of
scaffold you could have maybe put a hinged joint (with a locking pin in
it) which would satisfy their desire for a lighted pole and still let you
lower the thing to get the van out...

I havent seen either of them today, even when i took the dog out for a
walk at 5:30, which is when they are always sat at their dining room
table to eat, they werent there today yet i could smell they had been
cooking, so i guess they are avoiding me,

Maybe they cooked and ate each other.

as the solution would
be to park the van somewhere else, but that can't be done now,

Hmm, no chance of pulling their poxy light out while they're not there,
moving the van, and putting the light back again as it was? That'll fox
'em. Tell them you hired a big crane at enormous expense to lift the van
out, but it's OK because the DWP are paying for it. Build a fall-out
bunker before you do all that, though.

cheers

Jules

"Jules" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:53:11 +0100, gazz wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message

as the solution would
be to park the van somewhere else, but that can't be done now,

Hmm, no chance of pulling their poxy light out while they're not there,
moving the van, and putting the light back again as it was? That'll fox
'em. Tell them you hired a big crane at enormous expense to lift the van
out, but it's OK because the DWP are paying for it. Build a fall-out
bunker before you do all that, though.

my GF saw him putting the pole in the hole he'd dug, and says it's about 3/4
of the length of the pole below ground, he was deffo a very long time
digging the hole, as i heard him start it at about 9 in the morning, and he
was cementing it in at about 2 in the afternoon,

i could tell them that the DWP have increased my benefits as i'm now
partialy house bound and have had a quality of life reduction, due to not
being able to use the vehicle which is 'specialy adapted' by having an
onboard toilet and washing machine for when part of my medical conditions
catch me out.
bet they'd be out there with the angle grinder within seconds.