I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital switchover
help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make the switch from
analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous old fool who seemed to
lack social awareness and common sense. The young relative and the young
engineer exchanged meaningful glances, as if to say, "She can't help being
daft; she's old." How incredibly patronising and insulting this is to the
very people they claim to be helping. It seems that in modern Britain,
whilst racism is almost a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.

Incidentally, anyone with elderly friends or relatives who don't use the net
but might benefit from sensible non-patronising advice about analogue
switch-off should help them access the information on
www.paras.org.uk

Bill

In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital switchover
help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make the switch from
analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous old fool who seemed to
lack social awareness and common sense. The young relative and the young
engineer exchanged meaningful glances, as if to say, "She can't help being
daft; she's old." How incredibly patronising and insulting this is to the
very people they claim to be helping. It seems that in modern Britain,
whilst racism is almost a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old to?..


Incidentally, anyone with elderly friends or relatives who don't use the net
but might benefit from sensible non-patronising advice about analogue
switch-off should help them access the information on
www.paras.org.uk


Indeed)..

Bill



--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
It seems that in modern Britain,
whilst racism is almost a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old to?..

You don't when you're in your twenties, and that's the root problem.

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital
switchover help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make
the switch from analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous
old fool who seemed to lack social awareness and common sense. The
young relative and the young engineer exchanged meaningful glances,
as if to say, "She can't help being daft; she's old." How incredibly
patronising and insulting this is to the very people they claim to
be helping. It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost
a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old
to?..


And *WHAT* were your thoughts on 'oldies' when you were in your teens,
twenties, thirties - and possibly forties when you were showing them how to
use that new fangled invention called the video recorder - or even early
mobile phones? ;-)

Cash

Cash wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital
switchover help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make
the switch from analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous
old fool who seemed to lack social awareness and common sense. The
young relative and the young engineer exchanged meaningful glances,
as if to say, "She can't help being daft; she's old." How incredibly
patronising and insulting this is to the very people they claim to
be helping. It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost
a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old
to?..


And *WHAT* were your thoughts on 'oldies' when you were in your teens,
twenties, thirties - and possibly forties when you were showing them
how to use that new fangled invention called the video recorder - or
even early mobile phones? ;-)



I wouldn't mind betting that there are plenty of people in their sixties'
nudging seventies contributing to this newsgroup who wouldn't mind a pound
for every technical problem they've sorted out for people less than half
their age ;-)

Mark Carver wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost a capital
offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old to?..

You don't when you're in your twenties, and that's the root problem.


One of two roots. The other is - why are people that age in charge of
the ad. campaign anyway?

Andy

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:25:42 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:
Oh, and I wouldn't rely on young relatives to be any more clued up than
the elderly.

In fact a lot of elderly parents got a Freeview digital converter box
a long time before their younger relatives.

And any comments on that FOX commercial for the digital transition
featuring an old lady?

Frame from video only, since video is currently not available due to
copyright claim --

http://www.engadgethd.COM/2008/11/06/digital-tv-transition-spoof-video-is-both-informative-and-hilari/

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:06:19 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:25:42 +0100, Peter Duncanson wrote:
Oh, and I wouldn't rely on young relatives to be any more clued up than
the elderly.

In fact a lot of elderly parents got a Freeview digital converter box
a long time before their younger relatives.

And any comments on that FOX commercial for the digital transition
featuring an old lady?

Frame from video only, since video is currently not available due to
copyright claim --

http://www.engadgethd.COM/2008/11/06/digital-tv-transition-spoof-video-is-both-informative-and-hilari/

I saw it before it was pulled. It is both humorous and informative.
The humour outweighs any hint of patronisation.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:45:36 +0100, Andy Champ
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost a capital
offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old to?..

You don't when you're in your twenties, and that's the root problem.


One of two roots. The other is - why are people that age in charge of
the ad. campaign anyway?


Not exactly the same topic but why do females allow themselves to be
presented as totally air-headed or vacuous on TV adverts.

SWMBO was watching "true movies" this afternoon the film had been
edited into 7-8 minute segments between which were replayed exactly
the same sequence of adverts one of which showed a woman with a scabby
kid about six years old who had stained his T-shirt with pizza
topping. As if by magic another female dressed in a pink jump suit
appears from nowhere with an "intelligent" washing powder and saves
the day - mugs of instant coffee all round leaving the woman appearing
a poor 3rd in the intelligence stakes behind the scabby 6 year old kid
and the washing powder.

Last advert in the sequence was a woman who burst into song because
she could play Lotto / HTML one arm bandit games on the internet for
20p a go.

What an empty meaningless life they must lead.

Derek

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:30:43 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote:

I wouldn't mind betting that there are plenty of people in their sixties'
nudging seventies contributing to this newsgroup who wouldn't mind a pound
for every technical problem they've sorted out for people less than half
their age ;-)

....or even over seventy. Yes, please!
--
Alan White
Mozilla Firefox and Forte Agent.
Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
Webcam and weather:- http://windycroft.gt-britain.co.uk/weather

Derek Geldard wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:45:36 +0100, Andy Champ
wrote:

Mark Carver wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost a
capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be
old to?..

You don't when you're in your twenties, and that's the root problem.


One of two roots. The other is - why are people that age in charge
of the ad. campaign anyway?


Not exactly the same topic but why do females allow themselves to be
presented as totally air-headed or vacuous on TV adverts.


He he, University challenge was a treat this evening, a team of lovely young
women whipping the asses off the boys, final score 260 to 120..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00mkggt

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
. uk...
Mark Carver wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost a capital
offence, ageism is officially condoned.

Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old
to?..

You don't when you're in your twenties, and that's the root problem.

One of two roots. The other is - why are people that age in charge of the
ad. campaign anyway?
Andy


Gov ministers love giving contracts to quangos run or chaired by
their friends / relatives / children.

Every party since the war has claimed it will reduce quangos when they get
into office, then when they do they realise it's an easy and legal way to
funnel
large quantities of taxpayers money to friends and relatives.

As we don't have any anti-racketeering laws in the UK, our contractual
law is a farce and would be illegal in more civilised countries

Nepotism you know it makes sense.

Steve Terry

In message , Bill Wright
writes
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital switchover
help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make the switch from
analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous old fool who seemed to
lack social awareness and common sense. The young relative and the young
engineer exchanged meaningful glances, as if to say, "She can't help being
daft; she's old." How incredibly patronising and insulting this is to the
very people they claim to be helping. It seems that in modern Britain,
whilst racism is almost a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.

As patronising as the item on Country tracks on Sunday, where they
interviewed "The worlds biggest liar" who spilled a yarn about how
Sellafield (or somewhere) wasn't powered by nuclear energy, but by ducks
(or something)

Why they felt a need to run a text across the picture explaining that
this wasn't true really made me wonder ...

--
geoff

In message , Cash
?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?@?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.? .?.?.?.?.//.com.invalid
writes
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital
switchover help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make
the switch from analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous
old fool who seemed to lack social awareness and common sense. The
young relative and the young engineer exchanged meaningful glances,
as if to say, "She can't help being daft; she's old." How incredibly
patronising and insulting this is to the very people they claim to
be helping. It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost
a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old
to?..


And *WHAT* were your thoughts on 'oldies' when you were in your teens,
twenties, thirties - and possibly forties when you were showing them how to
use that new fangled invention called the video recorder - or even early
mobile phones? ;-)

I do remember a letter to one of the papers years ago asking why they
didn't wait until the old people had died off before introducing
decimalisation


--
geoff

In article ,
geoff wrote:


I do remember a letter to one of the papers years ago asking why they
didn't wait until the old people had died off before introducing
decimalisation

my favourite letter was in the Sunday Excess many years ago which said of
course we should drive on the right side of the road since it would mean
that the driver got out at the pavement side which would be so much safer
....

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
geoff wrote:

I do remember a letter to one of the papers years ago asking why they
didn't wait until the old people had died off before introducing
decimalisation

my favourite letter was in the Sunday Excess many years ago which said of
course we should drive on the right side of the road since it would mean
that the driver got out at the pavement side which would be so much safer
...

Not if you are driving a LHD car

So to keep it simple, for safety the driver should drive on whichever side
of the road he's nearest to the pavement

Which Romanian Truck drivers seem to do anyway

Steve Terry

I don't really see what the problem is with this advert, though I'm in
my mid-30s. There's another advert, which I'm surprised nobody on here
has picked up on, and features the double gold-winning Paralympian
Ellie Simmonds. The ad begins with her talking to some man about her
achievements, and it's then revealed that he's installing a Freeview
box for her. One of her lines then is "Oh I don't know, I couldn't do
what you're doing". I think we try to over-analyse these things, and
look for offence where it probably doesn't exist ("if you're not
prepared to be offended by this, I order you to be, or I'll be
offended for you"). My opinion of these ads is that they're
deliberately light-hearted in order to make the discussion of the tech
(the DSO) a little less frightening.

"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message , Cash
?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?@?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.? .?.?.?.?.//.com.invalid
writes
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
snip
I do remember a letter to one of the papers years ago asking why they
didn't wait until the old people had died off before introducing
decimalisation
geoff


Lucky the Gov didn't use it as the excuse they needed to introduce
euthanasia

Save the elderly from decimalisation, knock them all off

Steve Terry

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:12:28 +0100 Cash wrote :
And *WHAT* were your thoughts on 'oldies' when you were in your teens,
twenties, thirties - and possibly forties when you were showing them
how to use that new fangled invention called the video recorder - or
even early mobile phones? ;-)

So true. In the sixth form we had a class in marketing, business or
somesuch, meant to widen our perspectives beyond our A-level subjects.
Our teacher was 60ish and it was extraordinary to us that he might
understand the then new Dolby system, let alone be able to explain to us.

The original author of what is now my ProSteel program still provides
background advice and a second opinion when needed. He's just bought a
laptop so he can work on his computer programming in the garden of his
residential home. Pretty good for 90 next birthday!

--
Tony Bryer, 'Software to build on' from Greentram
www.superbeam.co.uk www.superbeam.com www.greentram.com

Owain wrote:
On 31 Aug, 22:30, Derek Geldard wrote:
Not exactly the same topic but why do females allow themselves to be
presented as totally air-headed or vacuous on TV adverts.
What an empty meaningless life they must lead.

What do you expect from people who grew up with Barbie dolls instead
of train sets as children.


Quite!

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:06:19 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

I saw it before it was pulled. It is both humorous and informative.
The humour outweighs any hint of patronisation.

No, that's not possible in today's world. Suppose the film featured a black
person who was depicted as characteristically lazy and stupid, but was very
funny? That wouldn't be allowed would it?

Bill

"Java Jive" wrote in message
news
Exactly, I'm nearer the qualifying age than anyone else alive in my
family except my two elder brothers, and I'm probably technically the
most clued up person in all living generations of the family.

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:25:42 +0100, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

Oh, and I wouldn't rely on young relatives to be any more clued up than
the elderly.

I used to be able to claim that until the other day, when Katie, (7)
explained to me the finer points of operating a mobile phone.
"Look Grandad, you do this!"

Bill

"Ivan" wrote in message
...
Derek Geldard wrote:
He he, University challenge was a treat this evening, a team of lovely
young women whipping the asses off the boys,

Was this before the watershed?

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:06:19 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

I saw it before it was pulled. It is both humorous and informative.
The humour outweighs any hint of patronisation.

No, that's not possible in today's world. Suppose the film featured a
black person who was depicted as characteristically lazy and stupid, but
was very funny? That wouldn't be allowed would it?
Bill

Only in the 1970's

Steve Terry

"Java Jive" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:16:24 +0100, geoff wrote:


Another was to get an old can, not one that contained anything highly
flammable, something like olive oil would do. Put a centimetre or two of
water in the tin, and boil it until steam is coming out of the top.
Then turn off the gas, and quickly, using oven gloves, replace the lid
making sure it's tight. Stand back and wait. After a while, the can
crumples.

EXPLAIN

Steam drives out the air, seal lid, steam returns to water leaving a partial
vacuum in the tin.

Outside air pressure now greater then inner air pressure and tin crumples.

Used to do it with 5 gallon cans in school.

Gander.

In message , Bill Wright
writes
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital switchover
help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make the switch from
analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous old fool who seemed to
lack social awareness and common sense.

Treating the customer as an idiot has been the hallmark of English
advertising that has cost several agencies their accounts.

There was a dreadful series of super market ads that depicted a senile
customer played by Prunella Scales being looked after by smiling,
patronising sales staff.

The were confused AA customers who knew a man who did.

About 30 years ago British Airways sacked the agency who
portrayed their customers as senile fools boarding an airplane, each one
clutching what he or she imagined was a priceless amphora. A smiling
stewardess took the urns off each pax in tern and put them in the hold
with dozens of other priceless amphora.

--
James Follett. http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk
http://www.pbase.com/jamesfollett http://www.bevanwilson.co.uk/media/files/Stro
ke-rec.pdf http://www.powcorp.com/title/view/401/ice
http://www.radioreviews.org/

In message , Ivan
writes

I wouldn't mind betting that there are plenty of people in their
sixties' nudging seventies contributing to this newsgroup who wouldn't
mind a pound for every technical problem they've sorted out for people
less than half their age ;-)

A big yes here! Although I don't hear so many of the heart-sinking
statements that I used to hear: "So I reformatted the hard disk.
Defragging hard disk seems to be all the rage now.

--
James Follett. http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk
http://www.pbase.com/jamesfollett http://www.bevanwilson.co.uk/media/files/Stro
ke-rec.pdf http://www.powcorp.com/title/view/401/ice
http://www.radioreviews.org/

In article , Ivan wrote:
I wouldn't mind betting that there are plenty of people in their sixties'
nudging seventies contributing to this newsgroup who wouldn't mind a pound
for every technical problem they've sorted out for people less than half
their age ;-)

Indeed.

But if we're talking about people one sixth of my age, that could be a
different matter...

Rod.
--
Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/

In article , Cash ?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital
switchover help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make
the switch from analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous
old fool who seemed to lack social awareness and common sense. The
young relative and the young engineer exchanged meaningful glances,
as if to say, "She can't help being daft; she's old." How incredibly
patronising and insulting this is to the very people they claim to
be helping. It seems that in modern Britain, whilst racism is almost
a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old
to?..


And *WHAT* were your thoughts on 'oldies' when you were in your teens,
twenties, thirties - and possibly forties when you were showing them how to
use that new fangled invention called the video recorder - or even early
mobile phones? ;-)

Cash



Nope .. I was always very tolerant of elderly people in my 20's as I
worked in the TV trade doing domestic repairs, and prolly once too often
I left of the odd item from the bill as some if not most of them just
relied on the telly to keep them company and sane.

For most all it was all they had, and no they didn't have index linked
pensions this was the generation who had that idea to look after
themselves as best they could etc. Poor but in the main proud people.

And from that generation who kept out the invaders in the 40's.
--
Tony Sayer

Its also aimed at disabled people as well I've been told. and its seemingly
OK to be patronising to us as well, from the sort of literature some of my
friends have seen in libraries etc, about the scheme.

Whatever happened to dignity and tolerence?

Are we merely there as figures of fun?
Brian

--
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in the display name may be lost.
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital switchover
help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make the switch from
analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous old fool who seemed
to lack social awareness and common sense. The young relative and the
young engineer exchanged meaningful glances, as if to say, "She can't help
being daft; she's old." How incredibly patronising and insulting this is
to the very people they claim to be helping. It seems that in modern
Britain, whilst racism is almost a capital offence, ageism is officially
condoned.

Incidentally, anyone with elderly friends or relatives who don't use the
net but might benefit from sensible non-patronising advice about analogue
switch-off should help them access the information on
www.paras.org.uk

Bill

Can one complain to the ASA about stuff on the BBC?
Brian

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
I've just seen an advert on BBC-1 for the government's digital switchover
help scheme. This is intended to help those over 75 make the switch from
analogue to digital TV. The advert showed a garulous old fool who seemed
to
lack social awareness and common sense. The young relative and the young
engineer exchanged meaningful glances, as if to say, "She can't help being
daft; she's old." How incredibly patronising and insulting this is to the
very people they claim to be helping. It seems that in modern Britain,
whilst racism is almost a capital offence, ageism is officially condoned.


Totally agree!. Don't they -ever- think that one day they'll be old to?..


Incidentally, anyone with elderly friends or relatives who don't use the
net
but might benefit from sensible non-patronising advice about analogue
switch-off should help them access the information on
www.paras.org.uk


Indeed)..

Bill



--
Tony Sayer

It was probably in the watershed, or was that the woodshed?

grin.

Brian

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Ivan" wrote in message
...
Derek Geldard wrote:
He he, University challenge was a treat this evening, a team of lovely
young women whipping the asses off the boys,

Was this before the watershed?

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
"Ivan" wrote in message
...
Derek Geldard wrote:
He he, University challenge was a treat this evening, a team of
lovely young women whipping the asses off the boys,

Was this before the watershed?



Well in the cold light of day definitely after my watershed, which usually
starts around 8.00 PM..

"Java Jive" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:16:24 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Cash
?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?@?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.? .?.?.?.?.//.com.invalid
writes

And *WHAT* were your thoughts on 'oldies' when you were in your teens,
twenties, thirties - and possibly forties when you were showing them how
to
use that new fangled invention called the video recorder - or even early
mobile phones? ;-)

Actually, in my day it was hifi, but, while they needed some advice on
what technical specifications (remember them?) constituted hifi, none
of my parents had any difficulty at all in using such things.

HiFi is something the youth of today fail to understand.
They wouldn't buy mp3 players if they knew anything about HiFi.

From my experience the youth of today understands very little technical
stuff, the majority know next to nothing about how computers, TV, radio,
cars, (insert what you like) work.

Almost all the "kids know computers" comes from their better thumb control
on games consoles, give them a game that requires knowledge/strategy and
they are hopeless and get bored.


However, my mother did have a blind spot, pun intended, on using
instamatic cameras. She was always getting caught out by the parallax
between what the viewfinder showed and what the lens was actually
pointed at. We used to pin the results up on a board to see if anyone
could guess what she really intended to photograph. There was a
strange photo of a solitary unidentified and odd-looking elbow up for
months until I realised it was my brother's left elbow going round the
bag of his Highland pipes!

That wasn't parallax, it was an eye relief problem and she couldn't see
through the viewfinder at all.
Its quite a common problem on cheap cameras (and some expensive ones!).
It would have been solved if she had looked at some of the cameras with big
viewfinders.


My stepfather used to teach me science through, say, explaining why
popcorn popped.

EXPLAIN

A favourite trick was to get an old-fashioned tin with a replacable
lid, like a syrup or treacle tin, and punch one hole with a nail
through each of the base and the lid. You then:
1) Remove the lid
2) Seal the hole in the base of the tin with a finger
3) Turn it upside down
4) Fill it with gas from the cooker (gas is lighter than air, so it
goes up into the tin). Er, turn the gas off once you smell gas! That
means it's full!
5) Replace the lid
6) Seal the hole in the lid with another finger (so you're now
sealing both)
7) Turn it the right way up
8) Run out into the garden and place it on something like a brick
9) Light the gas at the lid hole, and stand well back.
After a few seconds the lid goes about 15 feet in the air.

EXPLAIN

Another was to get an old can, not one that contained anything highly
flammable, something like olive oil would do. Put a centimetre or two
of water in the tin, and boil it until steam is coming out of the top.
Then turn off the gas, and quickly, using oven gloves, replace the lid
making sure it's tight. Stand back and wait. After a while, the can
crumples.

EXPLAIN

I do remember a letter to one of the papers years ago asking why they
didn't wait until the old people had died off before introducing
decimalisation


Much too simple..

explain how JET works. ;-)

In message , "dennis@home"
writes

HiFi is something the youth of today fail to understand.
They wouldn't buy mp3 players if they knew anything about HiFi.

What a strange thing to say! Some folk, myself included, don't want high
fidelity and humping speakers around. I go for convenience. For me sheer
luxury is having an entire 9-hour book reading or several concerts on
one CD.

explain how JET works.

All I know about the Joint European Torus project is that it's all about
nuclear fusion and all that stuff is way over my poor head.

--
James Follett.
Http://www.pbase.com/jamesfollett
updated to include 'Wings' air and vehicle show pictures at
Dunsfold.

In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Can one complain to the ASA about stuff on the BBC?

Naw. Some can whinge about jeopardy posting, though. JF

In message , Brian Gaff
writes

Whatever happened to dignity and tolerence?

Same thing that happened to logical, chronological posting! JF

james wrote:
In message , Brian
Gaff writes
Can one complain to the ASA about stuff on the BBC?

Naw. Some can whinge about jeopardy posting, though. JF

You're being an arsehole, Brian has no choice about top posting as he's
blind. As you would know if you bothered to ask instead of making snide
comments.
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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:28:26 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:



"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:16:24 +0100, geoff wrote:

In message , Cash
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writes

And *WHAT* were your thoughts on 'oldies' when you were in your teens,
twenties, thirties - and possibly forties when you were showing them how
to
use that new fangled invention called the video recorder - or even early
mobile phones? ;-)

Actually, in my day it was hifi, but, while they needed some advice on
what technical specifications (remember them?) constituted hifi, none
of my parents had any difficulty at all in using such things.

HiFi is something the youth of today fail to understand.
They wouldn't buy mp3 players if they knew anything about HiFi.

From my experience the youth of today understands very little technical
stuff, the majority know next to nothing about how computers, TV, radio,
cars, (insert what you like) work.

Almost all the "kids know computers" comes from their better thumb control
on games consoles, give them a game that requires knowledge/strategy and
they are hopeless and get bored.


Thus leading to the absurdity of a (late) female nominee cabinet
minister saying that IT was "Just a simple manual skill", presumably
like packing veggies in boxes in the fields.

8-(

Derek

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:20:32 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:
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And who remembers the famous BBC Spaghetti Farm spoof-documentary?
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Ah yes.That was Panorama with Mr Dimblebum Snr.