Thought that might grab your attention.

My garden backs on to another - pretty common in most towns. Mine is
quite small - about 25ft. The house mine backs onto is built on a corner
plot so has a pretty massive garden by the standards round here - roughly
a triangle with a base of perhaps 100ft and 120ft tall. With the apex of
that triangle coinciding with next door's garden.

They've spent a fortune on that house - extra storey on the rear
addition, loft conversion, basement conversion, and a huge conservatory -
not a ready made one but architect designed with lead panels in the
roof... They also have a brick built detached garage - now converted to
what appears to be office use. All this for a family of four - with both
kids away at boarding school/uni. ;-)

So rambling on to the purpose of this post. When the garage was being
converted some years ago they built a 'temporary' abortion at the end of
their garden - up against my and next door's garden fences. Only to store
garden tools etc while the garage work was done, he said. It's made out of
8' x 4' sheets of ply stood on their ends, with similar as a flat roof but
covered with bright green tarpaulin. Which flaps a lot in the wind. Every
so often their 'handyman' who built it bashes away with a hammer to keep
it standing. And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.

A moan from my elderly next door neighbour prompted this post - and I know
other neighbours dislike it as much as we do. Probably four or five
households in total.

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with? ;-)

--
*A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Thought that might grab your attention.

My garden backs on to another - pretty common in most towns. Mine is
quite small - about 25ft. The house mine backs onto is built on a corner
plot so has a pretty massive garden by the standards round here - roughly
a triangle with a base of perhaps 100ft and 120ft tall. With the apex of
that triangle coinciding with next door's garden.

They've spent a fortune on that house - extra storey on the rear
addition, loft conversion, basement conversion, and a huge conservatory -
not a ready made one but architect designed with lead panels in the
roof... They also have a brick built detached garage - now converted to
what appears to be office use. All this for a family of four - with both
kids away at boarding school/uni. ;-)

So rambling on to the purpose of this post. When the garage was being
converted some years ago they built a 'temporary' abortion at the end of
their garden - up against my and next door's garden fences. Only to store
garden tools etc while the garage work was done, he said. It's made out of
8' x 4' sheets of ply stood on their ends, with similar as a flat roof but
covered with bright green tarpaulin. Which flaps a lot in the wind. Every
so often their 'handyman' who built it bashes away with a hammer to keep
it standing. And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.

A moan from my elderly next door neighbour prompted this post - and I know
other neighbours dislike it as much as we do. Probably four or five
households in total.

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with? ;-)

Not really. Your quality of view is not a legal issue and a shed doesn't
require planning permission. The tarpaulin flapping could be considered a
nuisance but probably not a statutory one that the council would take action
over. Maybe if you said it kept you awake at night regularly they'd be more
interested. You might have to resort to just putting something up yourself
to screen it from view.

Neighbours certainly do odd things though. Eight or so years ago mine spent
a fortune (£70k or so) on an extension, completely re-rendering the house
and a new detached garage but wouldn't add the few hundred quid to sort the
rotting eyesore of their decrepit garden panel fence which blew down every
winter and constantly banged against the wall of my house keeping me up at
night. Every now and then he'd go out and hammer feebly at bits of it which
achieved nothing. Finally he actually got someone to have a go properly last
year and it's been ok since thank god.
--
Dave Baker

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

My garden backs on to another - pretty common in most towns. Mine is
quite small - about 25ft. The house mine backs onto is built on a corner
plot so has a pretty massive garden by the standards round here - roughly
a triangle with a base of perhaps 100ft and 120ft tall. With the apex of
that triangle coinciding with next door's garden.

They've spent a fortune on that house - extra storey on the rear
addition, loft conversion, basement conversion, and a huge conservatory -
not a ready made one but architect designed with lead panels in the
roof... They also have a brick built detached garage - now converted to
what appears to be office use. All this for a family of four - with both
kids away at boarding school/uni. ;-)

So rambling on to the purpose of this post. When the garage was being
converted some years ago they built a 'temporary' abortion at the end of
their garden - up against my and next door's garden fences. Only to store
garden tools etc while the garage work was done, he said. It's made out of
8' x 4' sheets of ply stood on their ends, with similar as a flat roof but
covered with bright green tarpaulin. Which flaps a lot in the wind. Every
so often their 'handyman' who built it bashes away with a hammer to keep
it standing. And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.

A moan from my elderly next door neighbour prompted this post - and I know
other neighbours dislike it as much as we do. Probably four or five
households in total.

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with? ;-)


You could always plant a climber on your side of the fence and let it
grow over his shed roof etc. Something like a clematis would suffice. If
you are feeling particularly vengeful you could plant a Russian vine
which would cover it nicely - though it would probably collapse under
the weight of the vine in a few years.

--
David in Normandy.
To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.

"David in Normandy" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

So rambling on to the purpose of this post. When the garage was being
converted some years ago they built a 'temporary' abortion at the end of
their garden - up against my and next door's garden fences. Only to store
garden tools etc while the garage work was done, he said. It's made out
of
8' x 4' sheets of ply stood on their ends, with similar as a flat roof
but
covered with bright green tarpaulin. Which flaps a lot in the wind. Every
so often their 'handyman' who built it bashes away with a hammer to keep
it standing. And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

Tommorow night at about 11:30, sprinkle it with diesel, then at about 5 to
midnight sprinkle a bit of petrol on it, then aim a few of your new year
rockets at it on the stroke of midnight

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

My garden backs on to another - pretty common in most towns. Mine is
quite small - about 25ft. The house mine backs onto is built on a corner
plot so has a pretty massive garden by the standards round here - roughly
a triangle with a base of perhaps 100ft and 120ft tall. With the apex of
that triangle coinciding with next door's garden.

They've spent a fortune on that house - extra storey on the rear
addition, loft conversion, basement conversion, and a huge conservatory -
not a ready made one but architect designed with lead panels in the
roof... They also have a brick built detached garage - now converted to
what appears to be office use. All this for a family of four - with both
kids away at boarding school/uni. ;-)

So rambling on to the purpose of this post. When the garage was being
converted some years ago they built a 'temporary' abortion at the end of
their garden - up against my and next door's garden fences. Only to store
garden tools etc while the garage work was done, he said. It's made out of
8' x 4' sheets of ply stood on their ends, with similar as a flat roof but
covered with bright green tarpaulin. Which flaps a lot in the wind. Every
so often their 'handyman' who built it bashes away with a hammer to keep
it standing. And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.

A moan from my elderly next door neighbour prompted this post - and I know
other neighbours dislike it as much as we do. Probably four or five
households in total.

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with? ;-)


When considering starting a dispute with your neighbour, consider that
no-one can possibly "win", least of all you.

I predict that you will never gain the slightest satisfaction or
contentment from that approach, and are far more likely to make the
situation very much worse than it is now.

I suggest that you should either screen the view you don't like with
some vegetation or learn to live with it. If you are unable or
unwilling to do either, move somewhere else.

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

My garden backs on to another - pretty common in most towns. Mine is
quite small - about 25ft. The house mine backs onto is built on a corner
plot so has a pretty massive garden by the standards round here - roughly
a triangle with a base of perhaps 100ft and 120ft tall. With the apex of
that triangle coinciding with next door's garden.

They've spent a fortune on that house - extra storey on the rear
addition, loft conversion, basement conversion, and a huge conservatory -
not a ready made one but architect designed with lead panels in the
roof... They also have a brick built detached garage - now converted to
what appears to be office use. All this for a family of four - with both
kids away at boarding school/uni. ;-)

So rambling on to the purpose of this post. When the garage was being
converted some years ago they built a 'temporary' abortion at the end of
their garden - up against my and next door's garden fences. Only to store
garden tools etc while the garage work was done, he said. It's made out
of
8' x 4' sheets of ply stood on their ends, with similar as a flat roof
but
covered with bright green tarpaulin. Which flaps a lot in the wind. Every
so often their 'handyman' who built it bashes away with a hammer to keep
it standing. And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.

A moan from my elderly next door neighbour prompted this post - and I
know
other neighbours dislike it as much as we do. Probably four or five
households in total.

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with? ;-)


When considering starting a dispute with your neighbour, consider that
no-one can possibly "win", least of all you.

I predict that you will never gain the slightest satisfaction or
contentment from that approach, and are far more likely to make the
situation very much worse than it is now.

I suggest that you should either screen the view you don't like with
some vegetation or learn to live with it. If you are unable or
unwilling to do either, move somewhere else.


********. Never wave a white flag.

Adam

In article ,
Bruce wrote:
So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language. But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten
him with? ;-)


When considering starting a dispute with your neighbour, consider that
no-one can possibly "win", least of all you.

If it were a next door neighbour I'd agree. But they live in a different
street -at least 10 mins walk away.

I predict that you will never gain the slightest satisfaction or
contentment from that approach, and are far more likely to make the
situation very much worse than it is now.

Not possible. My view is he really doesn't know how bad it looks from
here. So I was hoping on some ideas on how to put our complaint tactfully.


I suggest that you should either screen the view you don't like with
some vegetation or learn to live with it.

I don't wish to cut out even more light into my garden.

If you are unable or unwilling to do either, move somewhere else.

You pompous ****.

--
*What was the best thing before sliced bread?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

If you are unable or unwilling to do either, move somewhere else.

You pompous ****.


Entirely typical of your approach to this whole non-problem of yours.
Your attitude will be the death of you.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
xxxxxxxxxxx

And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.
xx

does the neighbour understand how bad it looks from your gardens?

send him a photo,
or better still invite them round to a barbecue
or something...

you could say how wonderful the conversion looks
but the shed spoils your appreciation of his wonderful work!

"george (dicegeorge)" wrote:



Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
xxxxxxxxxxx

And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.
xx

does the neighbour understand how bad it looks from your gardens?

send him a photo,
or better still invite them round to a barbecue
or something...

you could say how wonderful the conversion looks
but the shed spoils your appreciation of his wonderful work!


But that would be polite and diplomatic, making it quite unsuitable
for the OP, who clearly desires a confrontation. ;-)

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bruce wrote:
So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language. But before I do are there any legal points I could
threaten him with? ;-)


When considering starting a dispute with your neighbour, consider
that no-one can possibly "win", least of all you.

If it were a next door neighbour I'd agree. But they live in a
different street -at least 10 mins walk away.

I predict that you will never gain the slightest satisfaction or
contentment from that approach, and are far more likely to make the
situation very much worse than it is now.

Not possible. My view is he really doesn't know how bad it looks from
here. So I was hoping on some ideas on how to put our complaint
tactfully.

I reckon thats the best approach. Drop him a line or give him a call or pop
in. I'd use the approach you mentioned "you probably haven't seen our view
of it".

Most people are reasonable if approached in a reasonable manner & shown a
little respect.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Thought that might grab your attention.

My garden backs on to another - pretty common in most towns. Mine is
quite small - about 25ft. The house mine backs onto is built on a corner
plot so has a pretty massive garden by the standards round here - roughly
a triangle with a base of perhaps 100ft and 120ft tall. With the apex of
that triangle coinciding with next door's garden.

They've spent a fortune on that house - extra storey on the rear
addition, loft conversion, basement conversion, and a huge conservatory -
not a ready made one but architect designed with lead panels in the
roof... They also have a brick built detached garage - now converted to
what appears to be office use. All this for a family of four - with both
kids away at boarding school/uni. ;-)

So rambling on to the purpose of this post. When the garage was being
converted some years ago they built a 'temporary' abortion at the end of
their garden - up against my and next door's garden fences. Only to store
garden tools etc while the garage work was done, he said. It's made out of
8' x 4' sheets of ply stood on their ends, with similar as a flat roof but
covered with bright green tarpaulin. Which flaps a lot in the wind. Every
so often their 'handyman' who built it bashes away with a hammer to keep
it standing. And today he's been constructing a sort of tapered truss
structure for the roof as of course the tarpaulins would have leaked more
on a flat roof. Making it even higher.

It really spoils what little view I have from the kitchen - far worse now
since there's so little foliage to help 'soften' it.

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view - as he spent many
thousands having the rest of his garden landscaped.

A moan from my elderly next door neighbour prompted this post - and I know
other neighbours dislike it as much as we do. Probably four or five
households in total.

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with? ;-)

--
*A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I'd be tempted to have a look through the planning applications/approvals on
your local councils website regarding his extension, garage change of use of
etc.

You may find something that you could use as leverage to get rid of shack!

Don.

Garden Erection
xxxx

I can only presume it looks ok from his angle of view -
xxxx

yes its almost certainly a man what done it
as women are more conscious of how their rear end looks to other people.

[george]

In article ,
Don wrote:
I'd be tempted to have a look through the planning
applications/approvals on your local councils website regarding his
extension, garage change of use of etc.

The conservatory and basement conversion was properly done as the council
sent details here and asked for objections etc. But I'm not sure about the
garage.

You may find something that you could use as leverage to get rid of
shack!

It really is most unsightly. There used to be a tumbled down garden shed
there before which didn't offend at all.

When the garden was landscaped, this end was turned into a sort of patio
complete with recessed lighting - I assumed to make a barbecue area. Not a
base for something that would disgrace the roughest pikey site.

--
*There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Bruce wrote:
If you are unable or unwilling to do either, move somewhere else.

You pompous ****.


Entirely typical of your approach to this whole non-problem of yours.

I assume by that you live on some sink estate so are used to looking at
rubbish?

Your attitude will be the death of you.

Really?

--
*I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bruce wrote:
If you are unable or unwilling to do either, move somewhere else.
You pompous ****.


Entirely typical of your approach to this whole non-problem of yours.

I assume by that you live on some sink estate so are used to looking at
rubbish?

Your attitude will be the death of you.

Really?

Bit of a conundrum.
Our neighbours recently got planning permission for an extension one
metre from our side boundary that will take virtually all of the sun off
the back of our house. Only change we got was that a window that would
have looked straight over the six feet fence on to the whole of our
garden had to be glazed with obscure glass.
We have planted Portuguese laurels along the boundary which will hide
the extension (subject to the high hedges act) but will lose us a little
more light. A nice catoniasta might to wonders for your neighbour's
tarpaulin but probably the first thing to do is to send them a photo and
ask if they would like to come round for coffee to see if anything more
easy on the eye could be worked out. Hopefully you do not have
neighbours like ours who think they can cause damage to other people's
property whenever it suits them on the basis it benefits them!

Dave Plowman (News) coughed up some electrons that declared:

In article ,
Don wrote:
I'd be tempted to have a look through the planning
applications/approvals on your local councils website regarding his
extension, garage change of use of etc.

The conservatory and basement conversion was properly done as the council
sent details here and asked for objections etc. But I'm not sure about the
garage.

You may find something that you could use as leverage to get rid of
shack!

It really is most unsightly. There used to be a tumbled down garden shed
there before which didn't offend at all.

When the garden was landscaped, this end was turned into a sort of patio
complete with recessed lighting - I assumed to make a barbecue area. Not a
base for something that would disgrace the roughest pikey site.


If it were a pikey estate, the "shed" would be a broken down luton van.

Or a shipping container for classy pikeys.

Seen both.

But anyway, I think as others suggest, you should have a chat with the
bloke. He probably doesn't realise it's annoying... And he may have been
pre-occupied with the other work.

Good luck,

Tim

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

snip

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with? ;-)


You could just ask your landlord to intervene - they often mediate in
such circumstances.

Rob

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

snip

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with?
;-)


You could just ask your landlord to intervene - they often mediate in
such circumstances.

Rob

I suspect that would require Mr Plowman to sell his house to another party
and then rent it back off them to get this sort of mediation.

Adam

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim S saying
something like:

Or a shipping container for classy pikeys.

Oi! I'll have you know, my good man, that SCs are bloody useful things.

Grimly Curmudgeon coughed up some electrons that declared:

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim S saying
something like:

Or a shipping container for classy pikeys.

Oi! I'll have you know, my good man, that SCs are bloody useful things.

I know - I saw one in the front garden up Machester way a few years ago.

I'd love one (utterly chav proof), but I think the gentlefolk of East Sussex
would have a collective heart attack.

Cheers

Tim

In article ,
Rob wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

snip

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language. But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten
him with? ;-)


You could just ask your landlord to intervene - they often mediate in
such circumstances.

Think a meow is needed here.

--
*If at first you don't succeed, try management *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim S saying
something like:

Oi! I'll have you know, my good man, that SCs are bloody useful things.

I know - I saw one in the front garden up Machester way a few years ago.

I'd love one (utterly chav proof), but I think the gentlefolk of East Sussex
would have a collective heart attack.

I plan on having a 40 footer alongside my frontage - actually, it will
*be* my frontage, mostly. I must get all the crap out of the workshop,
most of it far too good to ditch, and into external storage so that I
may continue the next phase of this 'ere building conversion.
The gentlefolk of round 'ere can go swivel.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate language.

Before you do so, do consider the potential impact if you ever want to
sell your home - one of the sections in the obligatory solicitor's
questionaire relates to arguments with neighbours, and IIRC there's a
specific question about whether you've ever written a letter to a neighbour.

I'd say that unless you *really* don't trust yourself not to lose your
cool, keep it verbal at least at first.

David

Tim S wrote:
drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim S saying

Or a shipping container for classy pikeys.

I'd love one (utterly chav proof), but I think the gentlefolk of East Sussex
would have a collective heart attack.

Put a cam net over it.

That's what a friend did when the neighbours moaned about his knackered
old red "band bus" Transit sitting permanently in his mum's garden and
"spoiling" their view across the valley.

Pete

In article ,
Lobster wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language.

Before you do so, do consider the potential impact if you ever want to
sell your home - one of the sections in the obligatory solicitor's
questionaire relates to arguments with neighbours, and IIRC there's a
specific question about whether you've ever written a letter to a
neighbour.

Who said anything about signing it? ;-)

I'd say that unless you *really* don't trust yourself not to lose your
cool, keep it verbal at least at first.

Used to chat to them a fair bit a few years ago - but since they got a
gardener I hardly ever see them. Except when they're having an alfresco
party. Used to see the kids in the garden when they were smaller - but
since they're now about 20 they don't play in the garden anymore - even if
they still live there.

But they're a nice enough couple - when landscaping their garden they
asked and paid to replace the fence at the back of my elderly neighbours
garden - which isn't their responsibility.

Just looking at it now from this vaulted viewing angle the roof trusses
the handyman installed have improved the appearance. If only the
tarpaulins weren't bright green. But the view from ground level hasn't
improved.

--
*Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

ARWadsworth wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

snip
So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with?
;-)
You could just ask your landlord to intervene - they often mediate in
such circumstances.

Rob

I suspect that would require Mr Plowman to sell his house to another party
and then rent it back off them to get this sort of mediation.


Local authorities will usually come to the aid of ex-tenants - no need
to sell. Assuming Dave exercised his Right to Buy ;-)

In point of fact, local authority planners can be very good mediators
once the notion that all they do is 'enforce' has been overcome. And the
council housing department might have someone who could help private
sector bods.

Rob

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rob wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

snip
So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language. But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten
him with? ;-)


You could just ask your landlord to intervene - they often mediate in
such circumstances.

Think a meow is needed here.


Woof :-)

"Rob" wrote in message
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ARWadsworth wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Thought that might grab your attention.

snip
So I'm going to write him a letter - far easier to use moderate
language.
But before I do are there any legal points I could threaten him with?
;-)
You could just ask your landlord to intervene - they often mediate in
such circumstances.

Rob

I suspect that would require Mr Plowman to sell his house to another
party
and then rent it back off them to get this sort of mediation.


Local authorities will usually come to the aid of ex-tenants - no need
to sell. Assuming Dave exercised his Right to Buy ;-)

In point of fact, local authority planners can be very good mediators
once the notion that all they do is 'enforce' has been overcome. And the
council housing department might have someone who could help private
sector bods.

Rob

The Neighbourhood Safety Team (AKA ASBO team / pantomine policemen) also
offer a mediation service. However they are usually arrive about 6 months
too late to start realistic mediation and make a total balls up of anything
that they try.

Adam

ARWadsworth coughed up some electrons that declared:


The Neighbourhood Safety Team (AKA ASBO team / pantomine policemen) also
offer a mediation service. However they are usually arrive about 6 months
too late to start realistic mediation and make a total balls up of
anything that they try.

Adam

If Carlsberg ran a police mediation service...


"Cue S019 officers on mediation duty detachment, replete with black
helicopter and machine guns"


:-

On 30 Dec, 13:42, "Dave Baker" wrote:

Not really. Your quality of view is not a legal issue and a shed doesn't
require planning permission.

It sounds as if the shed was constructed as a temporary building, for
which see

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uks...4.htm#IDATGE3D

"Permitted development A. The provision on land of buildings,
moveable structures, works, plant or machinery required temporarily in
connection with and for the duration of operations being or to be
carried out on, in, under or over that land or on land adjoining that
land [...] Conditions A.2 Development is permitted by Class A
subject to the conditions that, when the operations have been carried
out (a) any building, structure, works, plant or machinery permitted
by Class A shall be removed"

So it no longer has permission as permitted development as a temporary
building, and has to satisfy the normal conditions for a garden
building.

Is the shed one metre away from the boundary, less than four metres
high to the apex, and fifty feet away from the nearest road? I believe
all those criteria need to be met for a shed or garage to fall under
permitted development. I think that's right but haven't hunted it out
and re-checked it.

Regards
Richard

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:18:14 -0800 (PST), geraldthehamster
wrote:

On 30 Dec, 13:42, "Dave Baker" wrote:

Not really. Your quality of view is not a legal issue and a shed doesn't
require planning permission.

It sounds as if the shed was constructed as a temporary building, for
which see

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uks...4.htm#IDATGE3D

"Permitted development A. The provision on land of buildings,
moveable structures, works, plant or machinery required temporarily in
connection with and for the duration of operations being or to be
carried out on, in, under or over that land or on land adjoining that
land [...] Conditions A.2 Development is permitted by Class A
subject to the conditions that, when the operations have been carried
out (a) any building, structure, works, plant or machinery permitted
by Class A shall be removed"

It all depend on what you class as "operations on that land" -
couldn't living on the land and pottering in the shed be classed as
"operations"? :-)

--
Frank Erskine

In article
,
geraldthehamster wrote:
Is the shed one metre away from the boundary,

No - it's hard up against it. On both sides.

less than four metres high to the apex,

Yes

and fifty feet away from the nearest road?

Depends on what a road is. A public one, yes.

I believe all those criteria need to be met for a shed or garage to fall
under permitted development. I think that's right but haven't hunted it
out and re-checked it.

Thanks

--
*Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?

Dave Plowman London SW
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