It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide


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from "zaax" contains these words:

It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide

Cold taps came first and as 90% of the population are right handed the
obvious place for the cold tap is on the right. Having the hot tap on
the left also helps the wimps in the UK as the hot tap is still often
low pressure and easier to turn off.

--
Roger Chapman

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
zaax wrote:

It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide

It's certainly true that mixer taps seem to be supplied with hot on the
left, and it may be *convention* to install separate hot and cold taps in
the same way. However, convention isn't always followed!

I have several locations in my house where hot and cold are the other way
round - simply due to the convenience of pipe runs. As long as they're
clearly marked - with words or red and blue inserts - it doesn't really
matter.
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Roger
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Well, well, well - that's another urban myth exploded !

I was brought up with the fact that the Scots plumbers put the hot on
the left and the cold on the right as quoted above, and that the
English did it the other way round.

Rob

zaax wrote:
It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide


--
zaax

Roger wrote:
Cold taps came first and as 90% of the population are right handed the
obvious place for the cold tap is on the right. Having the hot tap on
the left also helps the wimps in the UK as the hot tap is still often
low pressure and easier to turn off.


If you or someone have just suffered a burn and you are in panic to
apply cold water, the dominant right hand should be closer to the cold tap.

However if you are left handed, or have suffered a burn to the right
hand, than it will take just a little longer to register a work around
to this ;-)

--
Adrian C

"zaax" wrote in message
...

It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide


--
zaax


It is also there for blind people ...

In message , Roger
writes
The message
from "zaax" contains these words:

It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide

Cold taps came first and as 90% of the population are right handed the
obvious place for the cold tap is on the right. Having the hot tap on
the left also helps the wimps in the UK as the hot tap is still often
low pressure and easier to turn off.

my cold tap in the bathroom is on the left, because I hold my toothbrush
with my right hand

Actually, IIRC, it made the pipe runs easier

I'm not going to lose sleep over it


--
geoff

zaax wrote:
It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide


It's always been my understanding that it is favoured by hoteliers
because most people are right handed & thus less likely to turn on the
energy consuming hot tap at their first 'need water' impulse.

On 2007-01-18 21:44:14 +0000, "ironer" said:


zaax wrote:
It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide

I can confirm (from a sample of many hundred hotels) that hot on the
left or in the left
direction with a mixer faucet is pretty much universal.



It's always been my understanding that it is favoured by hoteliers
because most people are right handed & thus less likely to turn on the
energy consuming hot tap at their first 'need water' impulse.


They have a number of games like this.

Another common one is asking customers to re-use towels because of the
environmental impact of washing detergents.

I have a difficult time believing that that is their true motivation.

The most irritating are those with a card operated switch near the door
where one needs
to insert a card to operate the electricity. This again is sold on an
eco basis.

I wouldn't mind were it not for the poor implementations. Many of
them turn off all the power
in the room immediately the card is removed. These are the ones where
generally only the room
key card works - a business card doesn't do it. It isn't helpful
suddenly being plunged into darkness.
The more acceptable have a timer that cuts the power about a minute
after the card is removed.

However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power in
the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to charge
my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:44:14 -0800, ironer wrote:

zaax wrote:
It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide


It's always been my understanding that it is favoured by hoteliers
because most people are right handed & thus less likely to turn on the
energy consuming hot tap at their first 'need water' impulse.

Whatever the reason there is certainly a convention.
The biggest argument that this is slightly more than a matter of taste is
that some thermostatic mixers will _require_ the supplies to the "correct"
way around.



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Andy Hall wrote:
However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power in
the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to charge
my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.

Stayed recently in a hotel in Austria, which had a main switch by the
door which killed all power to the room including that supplied to the
bedside clock radio :-|

--
Adrian C

Andy Hall wrote:
They have a number of games like this.

Another common one is asking customers to re-use towels because of the
environmental impact of washing detergents.

I have a difficult time believing that that is their true motivation.

Irritating that. That they assume you are stupid enough to believe that
their motivation is 'green' and not 'saving a few bob'.

Even more annoying, the multitude of signs warning about scalding, slipping
etc. Like no one booking a hotel room has any common sense.

Foretunately my days of staying away from home are behind me.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Andy Hall wrote:


However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power
in the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to charge
my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.

I've found in one or two that the only thing which stays on is the fridge.
So, as long as it's not hard wired, and you have a suitable 2-way adapter .
.. .
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Adrian C wrote:

If you or someone have just suffered a burn and you are in panic to
apply cold water, the dominant right hand should be closer to the cold tap.

However if you are left handed, or have suffered a burn to the right
hand, than it will take just a little longer to register a work around
to this ;-)

--

I once almost scalded my hand by using a mixer tap where the tap on the
left had a red band around it so I turned on the tap on the right
thinking it would be cold and very hot water came out. Turned out the
"tap" on the left was actually the temperature select for the
thermostatic valve.

On 2007-01-19 11:36:43 +0000, Owain said:

Andy Hall wrote:
However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power in
the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to charge
my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.

I'm sure you could still find hotels that would allow you to use as
much electricity as your pound in the slot meter would buy you, if you
really looked...

Are these the kind that charge by the hour for the room?


As a small child I can remember thinking we'd gone upmarket the first
time we stayed in a hotel that didn't have a shilling[1]-in-the-slot
meter for the one-bar electric fire in the room.

Admittedly my childhood holidays were usually in Scotland.

Aberdeen?


Owain




[1] Probably 10-bob.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-01-18 21:44:14 +0000, "ironer" said:


zaax wrote:
It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide

I can confirm (from a sample of many hundred hotels) that hot on the
left or in the left
direction with a mixer faucet is pretty much universal.



It's always been my understanding that it is favoured by hoteliers
because most people are right handed & thus less likely to turn on the
energy consuming hot tap at their first 'need water' impulse.


They have a number of games like this.

Another common one is asking customers to re-use towels because of the
environmental impact of washing detergents.

I have a difficult time believing that that is their true motivation.

The most irritating are those with a card operated switch near the door
where one needs
to insert a card to operate the electricity. This again is sold on an
eco basis.

I wouldn't mind were it not for the poor implementations. Many of them
turn off all the power
in the room immediately the card is removed. These are the ones where
generally only the room
key card works - a business card doesn't do it. It isn't helpful
suddenly being plunged into darkness.
The more acceptable have a timer that cuts the power about a minute
after the card is removed.

However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power in
the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to charge
my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.

Gadget man!

Roger Mills wrote:

I have several locations in my house where hot and cold are the other way
round - simply due to the convenience of pipe runs. As long as they're
clearly marked - with words or red and blue inserts - it doesn't really
matter.

Provided one can see.

It's not usually that difficult to cross pipes under the sink.

--
"Do not fumble with a woman's logic."

On 2007-01-19 14:13:19 +0000, Stuart Noble said:


However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power in
the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to charge
my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.

Gadget man!

I know. I can't resist them. I do mainly have Apple stuff
(basically because it seems to work well for me)

When I go to customers I regularly get positive comments about the Mac
from them because most have to put up with their corporate Windows
machines.

Actually I don't have an iPhone yet but am sorely tempted. It does
run OS X after all.

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-01-19 14:13:19 +0000, Stuart Noble
said:


However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power
in the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to
charge my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.

Gadget man!

I know. I can't resist them. I do mainly have Apple stuff
(basically because it seems to work well for me)

When I go to customers I regularly get positive comments about the Mac
from them because most have to put up with their corporate Windows
machines.

Actually I don't have an iPhone yet but am sorely tempted. It does
run OS X after all.




Whatever turns you on

On 2007-01-18, Andy Hall wrote:

Another common one is asking customers to re-use towels because of the
environmental impact of washing detergents.

I have a difficult time believing that that is their true motivation.

You're probably right about the motivation, but it certainly doesn't
do any harm, and I don't know anyone who changes his towel every day
at home.

On 2007-01-19 19:15:50 +0000, Adam Funk said:

On 2007-01-18, Andy Hall wrote:

Another common one is asking customers to re-use towels because of the
environmental impact of washing detergents.

I have a difficult time believing that that is their true motivation.

You're probably right about the motivation, but it certainly doesn't
do any harm, and I don't know anyone who changes his towel every day
at home.

Then they should be honest and reflect the situation into the room
rates and sell
it to the customers on that basis; and then add that there may be an
environmental benefit.

Unfortunately this is yet another weak example of laying eco-guilt on
people for cynical
reasons. I won't play this kind of game.

On 2007-01-19, Andy Hall wrote:

You're probably right about the motivation, but it certainly doesn't
do any harm, and I don't know anyone who changes his towel every day
at home.

Then they should be honest and reflect the situation into the room
rates and sell
it to the customers on that basis; and then add that there may be an
environmental benefit.

Unfortunately this is yet another weak example of laying eco-guilt on
people for cynical
reasons. I won't play this kind of game.

So you put all the towels in the bath every morning just to spite
them? I certainly don't find it inconvenient to hang them back up.

In my experience the staff often change towels that I've hung back up
to re-use.

On 2007-01-19 15:41:49 +0000, Owain said:

Andy Hall wrote:
I'm sure you could still find hotels that would allow you to use as
much electricity as your pound in the slot meter would buy you, if you
really looked...
Are these the kind that charge by the hour for the room?

I have no idea whatsoever about such establishments - wouldn't the
exercise keep you warm?

Me neither, so it's only hearsay


As a small child I can remember thinking we'd gone upmarket the first
time we stayed in a hotel that didn't have a shilling[1]-in-the-slot
meter for the one-bar electric fire in the room.
Admittedly my childhood holidays were usually in Scotland.
Aberdeen?

Cape Wrath, among other places.

Never been there, but I can understand the appeal.

On 2007-01-19 20:56:01 +0000, Adam Funk said:

On 2007-01-19, Andy Hall wrote:

You're probably right about the motivation, but it certainly doesn't
do any harm, and I don't know anyone who changes his towel every day
at home.

Then they should be honest and reflect the situation into the room
rates and sell
it to the customers on that basis; and then add that there may be an
environmental benefit.

Unfortunately this is yet another weak example of laying eco-guilt on
people for cynical
reasons. I won't play this kind of game.

So you put all the towels in the bath every morning just to spite
them? I certainly don't find it inconvenient to hang them back up.

Did I say that?


In my experience the staff often change towels that I've hung back up
to re-use.

Exactly, so the exercise is pointless.

Owain wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

Cape Wrath, among other places.

Never been there, but I can understand the appeal.


Appeal??? I seem to remember nothing but midges, and tinned soup for
lunch at a craft centre every day for a week.

You poor dear.
Try visiting in May to avoid the midgies. And there's a very nice
restaurant/bookshop at the craft village now.

On 2007-01-19 21:44:28 +0000, Owain said:

Andy Hall wrote:
Cape Wrath, among other places.
Never been there, but I can understand the appeal.

Appeal??? I seem to remember nothing but midges, and tinned soup for
lunch at a craft centre every day for a week.

Owain

Parents National Trust or Ramblers Association members?

On 2007-01-20 12:19:48 +0000, Owain said:

Andy Hall wrote:
Cape Wrath, among other places.
Never been there, but I can understand the appeal.
Appeal??? I seem to remember nothing but midges, and tinned soup for
lunch at a craft centre every day for a week.
Parents National Trust or Ramblers Association members?

Nothing so sissy. Pater a FRGS so anywhere cold and windswept with
interesting rock formations was a holiday destination.

You could have had that in Llandudno


Particularly if it was the distant side of a peat bog and scree slope.

That might have involved a trip to Colwyn Bay


Me, bitter?

Owain

zaax wrote:
It's not in the regs., and as far I can see it's worldwide

Worldwide apart from Barratt. My previous house (new build by Barratt
Scotland) had the hot water in the kitchen on the right (although the
red plastic cap was on the left). So I complain. Barratt fixes it while
I'm at work (they still had the keys).

I get home, and find the red plastic cap - moved to the right! Brilliant
fix, no wonder plumbers are amongst the highest paid normal people in
this country, I could *never* have thought of that!!!

Only when I point out that the dishwasher is plumbed into the supply to
the red tap does Barratt agree that maybe hot water should go to the
left tap, and cold water to the right tap, like it's done worldwide...

In message , The
Medway Handyman writes
Andy Hall wrote:
They have a number of games like this.

I stayed in one of a well known chain recently and when, after half an
hour, the heated towel rail was still cold I checked it out and found
the mains lead had been cut off and removed from the appliance. When I
questioned the receptionist she told me that at one of their hotels
someone had received a shock from the towel rail so they had
disconnected all rails in all the hotels!!!!!!!!!!! This was for safety!
Sounds a, bull s**t or b, very much overkill.

There again this was the same hotel that gave me a free pair of used
ladies knickers and a nighty on the inside hook of the bathroom door,
free used tissues under the bed, a not fully working TV and only 4
sheets of paper left on the loo roll. A letter of complaint to the head
office did get a full refund so they weren't that bad.

I made a point of pointing all this out before I left as I didn't feel
like explaining the clothing to our office staff if the hotel had found
it and returned it thinking I had left it there!
--
Bill

Bill wrote:

I stayed in one of a well known chain recently and when, after half an
hour, the heated towel rail was still cold I checked it out and found
the mains lead had been cut off and removed from the appliance. When I
questioned the receptionist she told me that at one of their hotels
someone had received a shock from the towel rail so they had
disconnected all rails in all the hotels!!!!!!!!!!! This was for safety!
Sounds a, bull s**t or b, very much overkill.

There again this was the same hotel that gave me a free pair of used
ladies knickers and a nighty on the inside hook of the bathroom door,
free used tissues under the bed, a not fully working TV and only 4
sheets of paper left on the loo roll. A letter of complaint to the head
office did get a full refund so they weren't that bad.


Sounds like the Holiday Inn at Glasgow Airport, a few years ago. As an
extra touch, the peephole in the door was set up for peeping _into_,
rather than out of the room.......

Owain wrote:


Erm, *how* many years ago, exactly???


About 3 years ago, I think. I went down to the front desk, and very
politely (and quietly) insisted that they give me a different room, and
explained WHY the room was totally unacceptable - apart from the
non-working remote, the peeping-Tom peephole, the cigarette burns in the
curtains and bedding - the room was filthy. It helped, of course, that
there were quite a few people within earshot, waiting to check in...

They tried to charge me 25 GBP over the agreed rate when I checked out,
because they had 'upgraded' my room. They didn't succeed, but they tried.

On 2007-01-20 22:35:17 +0000, S Viemeister said:

Bill wrote:

I stayed in one of a well known chain recently and when, after half an
hour, the heated towel rail was still cold I checked it out and found
the mains lead had been cut off and removed from the appliance. When I
questioned the receptionist she told me that at one of their hotels
someone had received a shock from the towel rail so they had
disconnected all rails in all the hotels!!!!!!!!!!! This was for
safety! Sounds a, bull s**t or b, very much overkill.

There again this was the same hotel that gave me a free pair of used
ladies knickers and a nighty on the inside hook of the bathroom door,
free used tissues under the bed, a not fully working TV and only 4
sheets of paper left on the loo roll. A letter of complaint to the head
office did get a full refund so they weren't that bad.


Sounds like the Holiday Inn at Glasgow Airport, a few years ago. As an
extra touch, the peephole in the door was set up for peeping _into_,
rather than out of the room.......

Airport hotels are almost universally awful or expensive and generally
both, IME

Andy Hall wrote:

On 2007-01-20 22:35:17 +0000, S Viemeister
said:
Sounds like the Holiday Inn at Glasgow Airport, a few years ago. As
an extra touch, the peephole in the door was set up for peeping
_into_, rather than out of the room.......


Airport hotels are almost universally awful or expensive and generally
both, IME

This one was both. I had an early-morning flight, and had been
travelling for hours already, so I went for convenience - the airport is
just across the road from the terminal.

On 2007-01-21 02:14:22 +0000, S Viemeister said:

Andy Hall wrote:

On 2007-01-20 22:35:17 +0000, S Viemeister said:
Sounds like the Holiday Inn at Glasgow Airport, a few years ago. As an
extra touch, the peephole in the door was set up for peeping _into_,
rather than out of the room.......


Airport hotels are almost universally awful or expensive and generally
both, IME

This one was both. I had an early-morning flight, and had been
travelling for hours already, so I went for convenience - the airport
is just across the road from the terminal.

If you're ever going from Edinburgh, the Hilton at Edinburgh airport is
reasonable for an airport hotel. Plastic of course.

This one is better www.handpicked.co.uk/nortonhouse

Andy Hall wrote:

If you're ever going from Edinburgh, the Hilton at Edinburgh airport is
reasonable for an airport hotel. Plastic of course.

These days, it's generally Edinburgh Airport I use - I have family in
town, and stay with them - much nicer than any hotel!

This one is better www.handpicked.co.uk/nortonhouse


I've eaten there a number of times, but never stayed overnight.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:35:26 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:



I wouldn't mind were it not for the poor implementations. Many of
them turn off all the power
in the room immediately the card is removed. These are the ones where
generally only the room
key card works - a business card doesn't do it. It isn't helpful
suddenly being plunged into darkness.

Some of those are fashioned out of a modified standard light switch, a
roller on the end of the key tag doing the actuation on and off.

These can generally be "ackled" with a ruler or a nail file etc. and
left permanently on . If switched on this way a room key can't be used
to turn them off. ;-)

The more acceptable have a timer that cuts the power about a minute
after the card is removed.

However, again they excel when the card switch turns off *all* power in
the room.
I wouldn't mind if it were just the lights, but I would like to charge
my notebook, PDA, iPod, iPhone etc.


DG

On 2007-01-21 11:15:53 +0000, Huge said:

On 2007-01-21, Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-01-20 22:35:17 +0000, S Viemeister said:

Bill wrote:

I stayed in one of a well known chain recently and when, after half an
hour, the heated towel rail was still cold I checked it out and found
the mains lead had been cut off and removed from the appliance. When I
questioned the receptionist she told me that at one of their hotels
someone had received a shock from the towel rail so they had
disconnected all rails in all the hotels!!!!!!!!!!! This was for
safety! Sounds a, bull s**t or b, very much overkill.

There again this was the same hotel that gave me a free pair of used
ladies knickers and a nighty on the inside hook of the bathroom door,
free used tissues under the bed, a not fully working TV and only 4
sheets of paper left on the loo roll. A letter of complaint to the head
office did get a full refund so they weren't that bad.


Sounds like the Holiday Inn at Glasgow Airport, a few years ago. As an
extra touch, the peephole in the door was set up for peeping _into_,
rather than out of the room.......

Airport hotels are almost universally awful or expensive and generally
both, IME

The Hilton at Heathrow Terminal 4 has always been perfectly acceptable.

I agree, as is the Marriott on the north side. Both have NASA as
regular customers of course.

On 2007-01-21 13:14:37 +0000, S Viemeister said:

Andy Hall wrote:

If you're ever going from Edinburgh, the Hilton at Edinburgh airport is
reasonable for an airport hotel. Plastic of course.

These days, it's generally Edinburgh Airport I use - I have family in
town, and stay with them - much nicer than any hotel!

This one is better www.handpicked.co.uk/nortonhouse


I've eaten there a number of times, but never stayed overnight.

I remember the restaurant not being bad at all.

Very pleasant as a place to stay and considering how close it is to the
airport, surprisingly quiet.

On 2007-01-21 14:40:42 +0000, Derek Geldard said:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:35:26 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:



I wouldn't mind were it not for the poor implementations. Many of
them turn off all the power
in the room immediately the card is removed. These are the ones where
generally only the room
key card works - a business card doesn't do it. It isn't helpful
suddenly being plunged into darkness.

Some of those are fashioned out of a modified standard light switch, a
roller on the end of the key tag doing the actuation on and off.

These can generally be "ackled" with a ruler or a nail file etc. and
left permanently on . If switched on this way a room key can't be used
to turn them off. ;-)

An old store card will usually work. The simple solution is to ask
reception for a second key.