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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Mary Fisher writes "raden" wrote in message ... When I was a child we couldn't afford peanuts. Nor more than one hammer :-( So, having a sledgehammer to crack a nut was out on both counts then Yes sigh show off mode on However, peanuts aren't nuts, they're a type of bean. show off mode off You mean pedant mode and /pedant mode ... Did they teach you nothing at school ? School? My father couldn't afford a governess. Mary -- geoff |
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2- snip (I think). Don't have the machine running right now so that I can check... You mean you can't make up your own mind??? In my day we had to think for ourselves :-) Mary -- Bob Eager |
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"raden" wrote in message ... When I was eleven I filed off the end of my long incisor but it wasn't power assisted thank goodness. What, like this ? http://www.dentaldistortions.com/gif...ssian_r2_c4.jp I said incisor, not canine. sigh Mary g -- geoff |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Bob Eager writes On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:56 UTC, wrote: Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? I once tried superglue but it didn't work so I used beeswax. Can't be drilled but doesn't need to be. Mary -- geoff |
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"Andrew McKay" wrote in message ... raden wrote: I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? My advice is to get yourself an emergency appointment at the dentist. He/she will be able to slap on a temporary filling to keep the bad guys out until the job can be done properly. That's the problem with diy dentistry, the Bad Guys. Trapping them between tooth and diy filler could eaily causemany more problems. It is possible that the damage to the tooth is such that an abscess could form beneath the gum. Might sound unreasonable, but it's a fact that once a tooth has had a breakage then germs can get in, and they love the rich area around the roots. Take it from me, an abscess is something that you wouldn't ever want to experience again. I've had two at different times. I was happy to lose the teeth. My last one was about 40 years ago and despite the fact that I hate the unpleasantness that sometimes accompanies a visit to the dentist it taught me that avoiding the dentist was not an option. Seconded. Mary Andrew -- Please note that the email address used for posting usenet messages is configured such that my antispam filter will automatically update itself so that the senders email address is flagged as spam. If you do need to contact me please visit my web site and submit an enquiry - http://www.kazmax.co.uk |
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"Ian Stirling" wrote in message news:426be77c$0$83056$ed2619ec@ptn- I used a signal-generator, and two stainless spoons with cling-film across all but the end of the handle, across the gum, in order to kill dental pain. IIRC about 500Hz squarewave at 1V worked best. It took it from a stage where paracetamol/asprin made absolutely no difference, and I was wondering if I had a suitable hammer to remove the tooth, to being a slightly odd dull feeling in that part of the jaw for several hours. AKA TENS. Oh! I've never thought about a tens for toothache relief, thanks. I'll try to remember that. Mary |
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In message , Andrew McKay
writes raden wrote: I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? My advice is to get yourself an emergency appointment at the dentist. He/she will be able to slap on a temporary filling to keep the bad guys out until the job can be done properly. It is possible that the damage to the tooth is such that an abscess could form beneath the gum. Might sound unreasonable, but it's a fact that once a tooth has had a breakage then germs can get in, and they love the rich area around the roots. Take it from me, an abscess is something that you wouldn't ever want to experience again. My last one was about 40 years ago and despite the fact that I hate the unpleasantness that sometimes accompanies a visit to the dentist it taught me that avoiding the dentist was not an option. OK, you've convinced me there One of my employees has just had to have a tooth removed because of an abcess -- geoff |
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Stirling writes wrote: norm wrote: I cleaned the scum off the back of my front teeth with a Dremel and an appropriate looking polishing attachment. I quickly found out why dentists have that squirty water thing. You can't spit out a hot tooth. Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. While waiting to attend the dentist: I used a signal-generator, and two stainless spoons with cling-film across all but the end of the handle, across the gum, in order to kill dental pain. IIRC about 500Hz squarewave at 1V worked best. It took it from a stage where paracetamol/asprin made absolutely no difference, and I was wondering if I had a suitable hammer to remove the tooth, to being a slightly odd dull feeling in that part of the jaw for several hours. No pain, not even much cold sensitivity and due to it's position and roughness, I'm not sure whether the break backs onto a filling or not -- geoff |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:53:15 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Bob Eager" wrote in message news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2- snip (I think). Don't have the machine running right now so that I can check... You mean you can't make up your own mind??? In my day we had to think for ourselves :-) Yes, but my memory is not what it was. This is a VMS system to which Stefek is referring, and that doesn't run on a PC, but on a VAX (no, not the vacuum cleaner). I don't have the VMS documentation handy, and the VAX is turned off. -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:53:15 UTC, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Bob Eager" wrote in message news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2- snip (I think). Don't have the machine running right now so that I can check... You mean you can't make up your own mind??? In my day we had to think for ourselves :-) Yes, but my memory is not what it was. This is a VMS system to which Stefek is referring, and that doesn't run on a PC, but on a VAX (no, not the vacuum cleaner). I don't have the VMS documentation handy, and the VAX is turned off. I'll stick with a simple life I think :-) Mary -- Bob Eager |
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"Rod" wrote in message . 4... "Mary Fisher" wrote in news:426b8247$0$28623 : show off mode on However, peanuts aren't nuts, they're a type of bean. show off mode off Isn't that why German foods are labelled 'may contains nuts and/or peanuts' (or something like that but in German)? It's done in UK too. Peanuts seem to have a very nasty effect on some people, so do other nuts in some of those people, so do some seeds such as sesame. It's more to do with one of more constituents rather than the definition :-) Mary -- Rod |
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"raden" wrote in message ... I thought I'd lost a filling last week when I bit on something hard and retrieved a small lump of mangled, hard, silvery metal. I was eating hare at the time. Never had shot which wasn't spherical, this had hit the legbone. Mary |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in
. net: It's done in UK too. Peanuts seem to have a very nasty effect on some people, so do other nuts in some of those people, so do some seeds such as sesame. I've seen plenty of UK 'may contain nuts' - even on packets of peanuts! (And many other similar warnings.) My point, that Germany seems to agree that peanuts are not nuts! -- Rod |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: When I was eleven I filed off the end of my long incisor but it wasn't power assisted thank goodness I said incisor, not canine. sigh Eeeh, when ah wuz a lad, we wuz too puir tae ha incisors. Did tha sit on't flags wi that canine then? Communal cisors dan the swimmin baths evry Sat'dy and like it. EVRY Sat'dy? Bet tha 'ad sooap an' all! Mary Owain |
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raden wrote:
Take it from me, an abscess is something that you wouldn't ever want to experience again. ... OK, you've convinced me there One of my employees has just had to have a tooth removed because of an abcess Once you've seen photos of maxillofacial surgery you wouldn't worry about abcsesses so much :-) Maybe there'll be a pretty surgery assistant to hold your hand ;-) Owain |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
Communal cisors dan the swimmin baths evry Sat'dy and like it. EVRY Sat'dy? Evry Sat'dy, between working doon pit during day and t'evenin' job of pedalling a paddle steamer 'cos boss were too mean to buy coal. Lucky to 'ave an evenin' job I was. Bet tha 'ad sooap an' all! Mebbe, but I weren't bending o'er in t'shower tae pick it oop. I'd read News o' t' World in t'neighbours privy. Owain |
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In message , Owain
writes raden wrote: Take it from me, an abscess is something that you wouldn't ever want to experience again. ... OK, you've convinced me there One of my employees has just had to have a tooth removed because of an abcess Once you've seen photos of maxillofacial surgery you wouldn't worry about abcsesses so much :-) Maybe there'll be a pretty surgery assistant to hold your hand ;-) On the NHS ?? -- geoff |
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Derek Geldard writes: Whatever you put in it'll have to come out in the surgery. Nothing you have access to is proof against a high speed air rotor turbine handpiece Last time I went (piece of filling had come out), there was no drill, but what the dentist called "air abrasion", which is actually aluminium oxide powder propelled by compressed air. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Owain wrote:
If there is pain then a plug of cotton wool soaked in oil of cloves can be used. (My dental book says). On that subject you can get cloves as thingummywhatsits - a little bead on a stick (as picked off the clove tree). I forget what these are called. You stick them between gum and cheek in the area where the pain is. These cloves (and clove oil) are absolutely excellent at removing pain from a sore tooth. The pain just disappears for the most part, to the extent that you get to thinking "I'll delay going to the dentist then". Andrew -- Please note that the email address used for posting usenet messages is configured such that my antispam filter will automatically update itself so that the senders email address is flagged as spam. If you do need to contact me please visit my web site and submit an enquiry - http://www.kazmax.co.uk |
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John Stumbles wrote:
How much is expensive? Sounds like the trick for opening out the gap under skirting and the bottom of architraves to get vinyl underneath. About 120 quid for the basic unit and 15 quid for the blades. I think it would be ideal for cutting the bottom of skirting in situ though. The blades are around 2 inches wide (x 1/16 inch or less) with around 24tpi. I have some 5 inch wide timber framed partitions upstairs sat on 2 inch joists, to get temporary access underneath I can cut through the floorboard right up to the skirting with no damage to the paint or adjacent boards, then screw a noggin to the existing joist and put the original floorboard back in place. A 2 joist length in the middle of a run can be cleanly removed and replaced in about 10 mins. Apart from a very narrow gap where the crosscut is on the board you'd never even know it had been touched - which is more than I can say for the chiseled out/ circular saw/ hand floorboard saw attacked ones I've seen. On top of all that its a pretty good edge/detail sander too. For cutting floorboards I also use a jigsaw, but I take the foot off and turn it over to use as a sort of mini reciprocating saw. I use it with the blade almost parallel to the wood: it can start a cut from nothing and make quite a clean cut across a board across the middle of a joist, without taking much out of the adjacent boards. Interesting variation - not sure I can easily remove the foot from mine. -- |
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Ian Stirling wrote: wrote: norm wrote: I cleaned the scum off the back of my front teeth with a Dremel and an appropriate looking polishing attachment. I quickly found out why dentists have that squirty water thing. You can't spit out a hot tooth. Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. While waiting to attend the dentist: I used a signal-generator, and two stainless spoons with cling-film across all but the end of the handle, across the gum, in order to kill dental pain. IIRC about 500Hz squarewave at 1V worked best. It took it from a stage where paracetamol/asprin made absolutely no difference, and I was wondering if I had a suitable hammer to remove the tooth, to being a slightly odd dull feeling in that part of the jaw for several hours. AKA TENS. Works impressively on front teeth. I tried to use it for surgery, but I didnt get enough anaesthesia on the back ones. But, tooth pain is a condition where treatment must not be delayed, as a septic socket can lead to septicaemia. True, it was just for a few hours, and I had an appointment with the dentist. |
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Owain wrote:
raden wrote: I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? Bring your dental checkup forward!!! Prompt treatment may enable the tooth to be saved (using eg a crown). Delaying treatment may mean an snip If you are going to use car body filler ^W^W^W composite resin, you would probably need to paint the tooth in phosphoric acid, this creates a honeycomb in the enamel, which the composite can bond with. You would also need calcium hydroxide to sooth the dentine and pulp, the calcium hydroxide is also adhesive. Then whizz with UV light to set the resin. From things I recall from a very non PC book about sticking things into dogs, car body filler, which is probably polyester resin, is one of the most irritating substances to place in contact with tissue. Even worse than epoxy, which is bad. |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:30:13 UTC, Ian Stirling
wrote: From things I recall from a very non PC book about sticking things into dogs, car body filler, which is probably polyester resin, is one of the most irritating substances to place in contact with tissue. Reminds me of a Roald Dahl (adult) story about ginger and greyhounds... -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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Owain writes: raden wrote: I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? Bring your dental checkup forward!!! Prompt treatment may enable the tooth to be saved (using eg a crown). Delaying treatment may mean an infected pulp and Very Bad Things[1]. A broken tooth justifies an Emergency Appointment. Or, if you leave it to go bad and nasty, and have yourself referred to your local dental hospital, you can look forward to two or three years, on and off, of two or three hours in a dentist's chair every two or three months, having it dealt with. On the upside, I've met several of the nation's most beautiful dentistettes, but on balance I think I'd've had it dealt with promptly. Reaching the point of complacency with this sort of business that you can actually fall asleep in a dentist's chair during treatment is not necessarily a skill you want to acquire. [1] This means not just Very Unpleasant Things but also, in today's universally-available free-at-the-point-of-use cradle-to-grave N.H.S., Very Expensive Things. Proportionately, no more expensive than before. The extra cost comes in the form of petrol and car-parking, to get to the dental hospital. -- SAm. all sweeping generalisations are false |
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In article cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-yHt3WmHxm7y1@localhost,
"Ian Johnston" writes: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:06:09 UTC, (Sam Nelson) wrote: : Reaching the point of complacency with this sort of business that you can : actually fall asleep in a dentist's chair during treatment is not necessarily : a skill you want to acquire. Find a dentist who uses NO. No way do I want unnecessary GA, or even sedative, TVM. There's way too much risk to justify it for ordinary everyday dental work. When I needed two wisdom teeth out, they suggested getting the other (unerupted) two out as well, and pointed out that if they needed to come out later, that would be another GA. That made perfect sense to me. No offence intended to my fantastically-competent and disconcertingly-lovely practice dentist, either, but she's not an anaesthetist: precious few dentists are. People really do die under GA. I look forward to my visits - an hour and a half of root canal work last week and I was sorry when it was over. I looked forward to my visits as well, but that was mostly because of the beautiful dentists. Mind you, the ******* won't give me gas for my check ups, no matter how much I plead. A close relative is having a replacement knee-joint this week, and getting an epidural for it. GAs are best avoided, where possible. -- SAm. all sweeping generalisations are false |
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"raden" wrote in message
... In message , Bob Eager writes On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:56 UTC, wrote: Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? I'm sure I've seen emergency repair kits in outdoor/mountain climbing shops, but as others have said get it sorted. Application of such a kit might just mean that cleanup changes a perfectly salvageable into a complete replacement job. Infection to be avoided at all cost - I've had about 5 abscesses now (all on same root canal, last one culminating in an apisectomy (sp?)) and the pain just cannot be described. Dunno if you're of a mind to go private, but I could send you the details of a stunningly good surgery in Covent Garden that have sorted me out the past couple of times. -- Richard Sampson mail me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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Geldard" says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:55:27 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Bob Eager writes On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:56 UTC, wrote: Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. You're toast. It didn't collapse for no reason, most probably it had decayed from the inside. Or the tooth/root had cracked or split in another (even worse) failure mode. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with Zinc oxide and eugenol, or a dental repair kit from Boots. http://www.dentistry.bham.ac.uk/cal/impress/znoeugd.htm until it's time for my dental check up ? Ahh, no chance I'm afraid. You can patch it up if you like but it needs to be properly treated straight away. i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? Whatever you put in it'll have to come out in the surgery. Nothing you have access to is proof against a high speed air rotor turbine handpiece I had half a tooth break off and didn't do anything about it for several months because it wasn't painful and I was busy. I eventually had it repaired and now it's fine - no infection, no need for root canal or extraction. Don't be so alarmist. |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:19:39 UTC, (Sam Nelson) wrote:
: In article cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-yHt3WmHxm7y1@localhost, : "Ian Johnston" writes: : On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:06:09 UTC, (Sam Nelson) wrote: : : : Reaching the point of complacency with this sort of business that you can : : actually fall asleep in a dentist's chair during treatment is not necessarily : : a skill you want to acquire. : : Find a dentist who uses NO. : : No way do I want unnecessary GA, or even sedative, TVM. There's way : too much risk to justify it for ordinary everyday dental work. That's why I have RA (respiratory analgesia) and not GA (general anaesthetic). I do not anaesthetise at all well - my record is five syringes of local for one tooth and still not numb. I used to be referred for GA (with an anaesthetist as well as a dentist present) but RA is just as effective for me. It hurts a bit, but I don't care! : I look forward to my visits - an hour and : a half of root canal work last week and I was sorry when it was over. : : I looked forward to my visits as well, but that was mostly because of the : beautiful dentists. Any dentist hooking me up to a NO source looks beautiful. : Mind you, the ******* won't give me gas for my check ups, no matter : how much I plead. : : A close relative is having a replacement knee-joint this week, and getting : an epidural for it. GAs are best avoided, where possible. Absolutely. But remember, NO is /not/ a general anaesthetic. Ian |
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Rob Morley wrote:
In article , "Derek Geldard" says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:55:27 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Bob Eager writes On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:56 UTC, wrote: Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. You're toast. It didn't collapse for no reason, most probably it had decayed from the inside. Or the tooth/root had cracked or split in another (even worse) failure mode. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with Zinc oxide and eugenol, or a dental repair kit from Boots. http://www.dentistry.bham.ac.uk/cal/impress/znoeugd.htm until it's time for my dental check up ? Ahh, no chance I'm afraid. You can patch it up if you like but it needs to be properly treated straight away. i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? Whatever you put in it'll have to come out in the surgery. Nothing you have access to is proof against a high speed air rotor turbine handpiece I had half a tooth break off and didn't do anything about it for several months because it wasn't painful and I was busy. I eventually had it repaired and now it's fine - no infection, no need for root canal or extraction. Don't be so alarmist. "I smoked 100 a day, and lived to be 140" |
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"Ian Stirling" says... Rob Morley wrote: In article , "Derek Geldard" says... On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:55:27 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Bob Eager writes On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:56 UTC, wrote: Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. You're toast. It didn't collapse for no reason, most probably it had decayed from the inside. Or the tooth/root had cracked or split in another (even worse) failure mode. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with Zinc oxide and eugenol, or a dental repair kit from Boots. http://www.dentistry.bham.ac.uk/cal/impress/znoeugd.htm until it's time for my dental check up ? Ahh, no chance I'm afraid. You can patch it up if you like but it needs to be properly treated straight away. i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? Whatever you put in it'll have to come out in the surgery. Nothing you have access to is proof against a high speed air rotor turbine handpiece I had half a tooth break off and didn't do anything about it for several months because it wasn't painful and I was busy. I eventually had it repaired and now it's fine - no infection, no need for root canal or extraction. Don't be so alarmist. "I smoked 100 a day, and lived to be 140" That's the other end of the scale from "Teenage smokers won't live to be 30" - the truth is usually somewhere between the two. |
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In article cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-vQjlydteLe9T@localhost,
"Ian Johnston" writes: : I look forward to my visits - an hour and : a half of root canal work last week and I was sorry when it was over. : : I looked forward to my visits as well, but that was mostly because of the : beautiful dentists. Any dentist hooking me up to a NO source looks beautiful. You're just jealous! : Mind you, the ******* won't give me gas for my check ups, no matter : how much I plead. : : A close relative is having a replacement knee-joint this week, and getting : an epidural for it. GAs are best avoided, where possible. Absolutely. But remember, NO is /not/ a general anaesthetic. I suppose. I still don't like the idea of not being in control of my faculties, though. Or limbs. Etc. OP, though, all that way back, just needs to Go To See A Dentist. Soon. -- SAm. all sweeping generalisations are false |
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Ian Johnston wrote:
That's why I have RA (respiratory analgesia) and not GA (general anaesthetic). I do not anaesthetise at all well - my record is five syringes of local for one tooth and still not numb. So what is RA? NT |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
Oh! I've never thought about a tens for toothache relief, thanks. I'll try to remember that. Mary applying tens to the head is not advised. The electrical anaesthetic is fine as long as its applied across a tooth, but apply it across the whole head by mistake, which is easily done, and you could have some real problems. I used a lot more than 1v. Whatever you use it must be current controlled. NT |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: Communal cisors dan the swimmin baths evry Sat'dy and like it. EVRY Sat'dy? Evry Sat'dy, between working doon pit during day and t'evenin' job of pedalling a paddle steamer 'cos boss were too mean to buy coal. Lucky to 'ave an evenin' job I was. Bet tha 'ad sooap an' all! Mebbe, but I weren't bending o'er in t'shower tae pick it oop. I'd read News o' t' World in t'neighbours privy. Ee - so it wor THEE pinchin' us paper! Mary Owain |
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"Andrew McKay" wrote in message ... Owain wrote: If there is pain then a plug of cotton wool soaked in oil of cloves can be used. (My dental book says). On that subject you can get cloves as thingummywhatsits - a little bead on a stick (as picked off the clove tree). I forget what these are called. It's called a clove ... Mary |
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"Sam Nelson" wrote in message ... A close relative is having a replacement knee-joint this week, and getting an epidural for it. GAs are best avoided, where possible. Epidurals aren't foolproof. Spouse had a hip replacement using one but because of a not understood but chronic neurological problem he has it didn'twork and he was in absolutely tertrible agony. A simple anal suppositary analgesic gave relieve. My point is that you shouldn't generalise. I've had lots of GAs for minor (dental) and major (brain) surgery and I survived with nothing more than a sore throat. Most people do. Travelling by road is best avoided. Mary Mary -- SAm. all sweeping generalisations are false |
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