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Mary Fisher wrote:
wrote in message ... The only problem is that I don't really have a destination! :-) Where are you? South Suffolk. Oh. a long way from west Wales ... Well it was a thought. They make excellent poultry sheds ... This one wouldn't, the roof is falling in, otherwise we might have considered it ourselves as we have some chickens. -- Chris Green |
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doozer wrote:
AlexW wrote: doozer wrote: Shortened (broken off) jisgaw blade for removing floorboard tongues when circ. saw not handy (taught this one by a builder mate of mine). Wish I had known about the jigsaw trick when I had to lift a load of floor boards. Its not tool abuse but I happened to find out the other day that a Fein Multimaster (the expensive delta sander thingy) with the right saw blade is absolutely f*cking brilliant at removing floorboards - wish I'd bought one ages ago! Beats either a floorboard saw, a circular saw, or a the broken jigsaw blade trick which i'd used up to now. You can cut the tongues and do the cross cut across the floorboard before you get anywhere near it with a lifting chisel/big screwdriver. -- |
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just rememberd another one... a milk bottle used as a hammer to nail up
a doorframe. Yep, a glass one. Some folks are brave! NT |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:41:55 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote: In message , writes Tim Lamb wrote: The other job looking for an appropriate tool is removing fencing staples. Everyone I know uses a hammer and a point from a finger bar mower (agricultural). Well, just to be different, I use electrical pincers and, if they're not man enough for the job, a pair of blacksmiths pincers. Umm... barbed wire is usually secured with 40mm staples. The other problem is that modern posts treated with non bituminous products seem to encourage rusting of the staples. regards Barb wire is easilly removed with 2 hammers, hammer them together with the wire in between. I remember being told never to hammer 2 hammers together, so I guess this is abuse ? Rick |
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Martin Evans wrote:
doozer wrote: AlexW wrote: doozer wrote: Shortened (broken off) jisgaw blade for removing floorboard tongues when circ. saw not handy (taught this one by a builder mate of mine). Wish I had known about the jigsaw trick when I had to lift a load of floor boards. Its not tool abuse but I happened to find out the other day that a Fein Multimaster (the expensive delta sander thingy) with the right saw blade is absolutely f*cking brilliant at removing floorboards - How much is expensive? Sounds like the trick for opening out the gap under skirting and the bottom of architraves to get vinyl underneath. For cutting floorboards I also use a jigsaw, but I take the foot off and turn it over to use as a sort of mini reciprocating saw. I use it with the blade almost parallel to the wood: it can start a cut from nothing and make quite a clean cut across a board across the middle of a joist, without taking much out of the adjacent boards. |
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Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , doozer writes When you need to get a job done quick, dont have the right tools, and the cost of sacrificing a cheap tool doesnt matter, all sorts can be done. Last one of these involved cutting a screwdriver in half to get 2x 3" bits of steel rod. I made sure the victim was a 'black spur.' NT I don't know why but as I read that post just thought A-Team (perhaps crossed with MacGyver). Some years ago (I won't say how many), I was puzzled by a HSE advert showing a screwdriver inappropriately used to open a tin of paint. So what should you use? Dulux Diamond glaze tins are practically impossible to re-open with a screwdriver: the glaze just glues up the join between tin and lid from the inside. Once I've bent a bit of the lid lip up with the screwdriver I find a pair of waterpump pliers on the lip and a levering action with the pliers does the trick |
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Barb wire is easilly removed with 2 hammers, hammer them together with the wire in between. I remember being told never to hammer 2 hammers together, so I guess this is abuse ? Rick Apparently because they are toughened steel they can in theory shatter when banged together - at least that's what my old CDT teach told me. |
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doozer wrote:
Apparently because they are toughened steel they can in theory shatter when banged together - at least that's what my old CDT teach told me. Did it once when I was a kid with two hammers that belonged to my mum. The head fell off the smaller one! (might just have been a result of it being bought for peanuts at the local market though!) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... doozer wrote: Apparently because they are toughened steel they can in theory shatter when banged together - at least that's what my old CDT teach told me. Did it once when I was a kid with two hammers that belonged to my mum. The head fell off the smaller one! (might just have been a result of it being bought for peanuts at the local market though!) When I was a child we couldn't afford peanuts. Nor more than one hammer :-( Mary |
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In message , Mary
Fisher writes "John Rumm" wrote in message ... doozer wrote: Apparently because they are toughened steel they can in theory shatter when banged together - at least that's what my old CDT teach told me. Did it once when I was a kid with two hammers that belonged to my mum. The head fell off the smaller one! (might just have been a result of it being bought for peanuts at the local market though!) When I was a child we couldn't afford peanuts. Nor more than one hammer :-( So, having a sledgehammer to crack a nut was out on both counts then -- geoff |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:59:12 +0100, Ed Sirett
wrote: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:32:52 +0100, Paul ( Skiing8 ) wrote: cordless drill to hammer in a wall plugs (works but wouldn't recommend it) The back end of my Makita seems to have a thicker part of the case presumable designed with this abuse (which I own up to) in mind. I had a Ferm (a free gift when I purchased a combi boiler, of all things) which didn't stand up to aforesaid abuse quite so well. The handle parted company with the main body of the drill. David |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:43:52 +0100, doozer
wrote: I remember being told never to hammer 2 hammers together, so I guess this is abuse ? Apparently because they are toughened steel they can in theory shatter when banged together - at least that's what my old CDT teach told me. Old hammers were wrought iron, with hard steel faces welded to them. if you hit one of these against something hard, then there's a very real risk of the weld failing and the face coming off in one piece. This is a waste of a good hammer, but it's not particularly hazardous. Incidentally, the difference between a face and a peen on a hammer is that either can be of any shape, but a "face" is one of these hardened add-ons. Modern hammers (for a very long time) have been made of cast steel (which is often forged, because "cast" doesn't quite what you think either). These don't need a hardenable face welding to them, and their hardened faces are often deeper. If you hit one of these against something hard, then it's likely to chip the edge and you have a small fragment pinging across the workshop. This really is an eye hazard. -- Cats have nine lives, which is why they rarely post to Usenet. |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
Modern hammers (for a very long time) have been made of cast steel (which is often forged, because "cast" doesn't quite what you think either). These don't need a hardenable face welding to them, and their hardened faces are often deeper. If you hit one of these against something hard, then it's likely to chip the edge and you have a small fragment pinging across the workshop. This really is an eye hazard. My hammers will last a lifetime then. Thumbs are relatively soft..... Andrew -- Please note that the email address used for posting usenet messages is configured such that my antispam filter will automatically update itself so that the senders email address is flagged as spam. If you do need to contact me please visit my web site and submit an enquiry - http://www.kazmax.co.uk |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:17:09 +0100, doozer
wrote: I was just reading the "Worst Tool" thread and is struck me that I haven't yet seen a thread detailing, shall we say, alternative uses for a tool. Some tools are just asking to be abused (e.g. screwdrivers as chisels) and some, like hammers used as screwdrivers (Birmingham screwdriver), just find alternative uses. I'm sure we've all broken a tool at some point through misusing it. Have you used things as tools that were never intended to be tools (old credit cards make great grout spreaders)? I once made a raised platform for painting ceilings out of old blocks of polystyrene and a plank. It was great (for about 6 months) until one corner gave way. I cleaned the scum off the back of my front teeth with a Dremel and an appropriate looking polishing attachment. I quickly found out why dentists have that squirty water thing. You can't spit out a hot tooth. norm |
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Bob Eager wrote: I was just reading the "Worst Tool" thread and is struck me that I haven't yet seen a thread detailing, shall we say, alternative uses for a tool. Stretching it a bit, perhaps... 1) Piece of copper tube 2) Workmate 3) G cramp makes a nice cable reel stand when unrolling long lengths of cable and pulling them. I wanted to sling a TV from the ceiling in the bedroom for those odd occasions where I wanted to watch TV there - bad back times, etc. Now wall mounting brackets are obtainable from any DIY place, but the only ceiling mounts I could find were pro types which cost as much as the set. So I made one out of 15mm copper tube and my pipe bender. Looks very good and cost near nothing - I had the tube lying around. -- *The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... When I was a child we couldn't afford peanuts. Nor more than one hammer :-( So, having a sledgehammer to crack a nut was out on both counts then Yes sigh show off mode on However, peanuts aren't nuts, they're a type of bean. show off mode off Mary -- geoff |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message Old hammers were wrought iron, with hard steel faces welded to them. if you hit one of these against something hard, then there's a very real risk of the weld failing I read that as 'the world failing' - like the sky falling on your head! A lens came out of my specs this morning whilc walking through the sewage works. My world has changed in the twinkling of an eye! Mary |
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"norm" wrote in message I cleaned the scum off the back of my front teeth with a Dremel and an appropriate looking polishing attachment. I quickly found out why dentists have that squirty water thing. You can't spit out a hot tooth. Oooouuuuuccccchhhhhhhh! When I was eleven I filed off the end of my long incisor but it wasn't power assisted thank goodness. Mary |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
show off mode on showoff However, peanuts aren't nuts, they're a type of bean. show off mode off /showoff mode="showoff" or if you prefer /mode -- David Clark $message_body_include ="PLES RING IF AN RNSR IS REQIRD" |
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norm wrote:
I cleaned the scum off the back of my front teeth with a Dremel and an appropriate looking polishing attachment. I quickly found out why dentists have that squirty water thing. You can't spit out a hot tooth. norm Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. NT |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:23:09 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "John Rumm" wrote in message ... doozer wrote: Apparently because they are toughened steel they can in theory shatter when banged together - at least that's what my old CDT teach told me. Did it once when I was a kid with two hammers that belonged to my mum. The head fell off the smaller one! (might just have been a result of it being bought for peanuts at the local market though!) When I was a child we couldn't afford peanuts. Nor more than one hammer :-( Mary And the icidence of violent crime against the person was much lower. |
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Bob Eager wrote:
I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Where is he anyway? I haven't seen any of the usual tripe that he posts for several days. Perhaps he's been following his own advice with the expected result? .....or maybe he saw the thread on DIY coffins and decided to investigate a new self latching mechanism.....  Andrew -- Please note that the email address used for posting usenet messages is configured such that my antispam filter will automatically update itself so that the senders email address is flagged as spam. If you do need to contact me please visit my web site and submit an enquiry - http://www.kazmax.co.uk |
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"DJC" wrote in message news  Mary Fisher wrote: show off mode on showoff However, peanuts aren't nuts, they're a type of bean. show off mode off /showoff mode="showoff" or if you prefer /mode I don't. If I had I would have done it like that:-) Mary |
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"Rick" wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:23:09 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "John Rumm" wrote in message ... doozer wrote: Apparently because they are toughened steel they can in theory shatter when banged together - at least that's what my old CDT teach told me. Did it once when I was a kid with two hammers that belonged to my mum. The head fell off the smaller one! (might just have been a result of it being bought for peanuts at the local market though!) When I was a child we couldn't afford peanuts. Nor more than one hammer :-( Mary And the icidence of violent crime against the person was much lower. I never ever knowingly had an icidence of anything ... Our hammer was a coal hammer, I still have it. It says 'COAL' on it. Mary |
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In message , Mary
Fisher writes "raden" wrote in message ... When I was a child we couldn't afford peanuts. Nor more than one hammer :-( So, having a sledgehammer to crack a nut was out on both counts then Yes sigh show off mode on However, peanuts aren't nuts, they're a type of bean. show off mode off You mean pedant mode and /pedant mode ... Did they teach you nothing at school ? -- geoff |
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In message , Mary
Fisher writes "norm" wrote in message I cleaned the scum off the back of my front teeth with a Dremel and an appropriate looking polishing attachment. I quickly found out why dentists have that squirty water thing. You can't spit out a hot tooth. Oooouuuuuccccchhhhhhhh! When I was eleven I filed off the end of my long incisor but it wasn't power assisted thank goodness. What, like this ? http://www.dentaldistortions.com/gif...ssian_r2_c4.jp g -- geoff |
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In message , Bob Eager
writes On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:56 UTC, wrote: Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? -- geoff |
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raden writes: Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? What, less toxic than mercury? I've often wondered about areldite rapid for the job. Might want to mix it with some fine but hard wearing particles to improve life. Modern filling material is a mixture of resin and quartz particles; very fine sand or powdered aluminium oxide might be suitable DIY substitute ;-) -- Andrew Gabriel |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:55:27 UTC, raden wrote:
In message , Bob Eager writes On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:50:56 UTC, wrote: Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. I'm just waiting for the usual suspect to mention car body filler. Funny you should say that I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? You can get a kit at some chemists....designed for when you have a problem when travelling. -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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raden wrote:
I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? My advice is to get yourself an emergency appointment at the dentist. He/she will be able to slap on a temporary filling to keep the bad guys out until the job can be done properly. It is possible that the damage to the tooth is such that an abscess could form beneath the gum. Might sound unreasonable, but it's a fact that once a tooth has had a breakage then germs can get in, and they love the rich area around the roots. Take it from me, an abscess is something that you wouldn't ever want to experience again. My last one was about 40 years ago and despite the fact that I hate the unpleasantness that sometimes accompanies a visit to the dentist it taught me that avoiding the dentist was not an option. Andrew -- Please note that the email address used for posting usenet messages is configured such that my antispam filter will automatically update itself so that the senders email address is flagged as spam. If you do need to contact me please visit my web site and submit an enquiry - http://www.kazmax.co.uk |
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Ian Stirling wrote:
wrote: norm wrote: I cleaned the scum off the back of my front teeth with a Dremel and an appropriate looking polishing attachment. I quickly found out why dentists have that squirty water thing. You can't spit out a hot tooth. Lol. Theres a small but persistent tendency to do dentistry diy, but it does not have a good record. While waiting to attend the dentist: I used a signal-generator, and two stainless spoons with cling-film across all but the end of the handle, across the gum, in order to kill dental pain. IIRC about 500Hz squarewave at 1V worked best. It took it from a stage where paracetamol/asprin made absolutely no difference, and I was wondering if I had a suitable hammer to remove the tooth, to being a slightly odd dull feeling in that part of the jaw for several hours. AKA TENS. Works impressively on front teeth. I tried to use it for surgery, but I didnt get enough anaesthesia on the back ones. But, tooth pain is a condition where treatment must not be delayed, as a septic socket can lead to septicaemia. Araldite has been used before for diy fillings, I'd avoid the rapid stuff though. Well, I'd avoid all of them, its not medical grade. Also cleaning out the cavity properly is important. Epoxy and glass powder is one form of white composite filling. Instead I'd go with colloidal silver, which can clear up the problem entirely. NT |
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raden wrote:
I've just lost half a molar from a stone in something I ate last week. Anybody got any suggestions for what I can patch it up with until it's time for my dental check up ? i.e. something that can fill, be drilled and isn't toxic ? Bring your dental checkup forward!!! Prompt treatment may enable the tooth to be saved (using eg a crown). Delaying treatment may mean an infected pulp and Very Bad Things[1]. A broken tooth justifies an Emergency Appointment. If there is pain then a plug of cotton wool soaked in oil of cloves can be used. (My dental book says). If there are sharp edges which could cause damage to the mouth, cover with gauze. Some pharmacists may have emergency filling kits (I thikn gutta percha is the material) but theyr'e for repairing lost fillings in the middle of the Amazonian rainforest, not half a tooth falling off. Dental fillings are placed over a lining to prevent the filling material irritating the dentine or pulp. Also, all diseased tissue, moisture and unsupported enamel must be removed before filling. If you are going to use car body filler ^W^W^W composite resin, you would probably need to paint the tooth in phosphoric acid, this creates a honeycomb in the enamel, which the composite can bond with. You would also need calcium hydroxide to sooth the dentine and pulp, the calcium hydroxide is also adhesive. Then whizz with UV light to set the resin. Owain [1] This means not just Very Unpleasant Things but also, in today's universally-available free-at-the-point-of-use cradle-to-grave N.H.S., Very Expensive Things. |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:46:52 UTC, Andrew McKay
wrote: Take it from me, an abscess is something that you wouldn't ever want to experience again. My last one was about 40 years ago and despite the fact that I hate the unpleasantness that sometimes accompanies a visit to the dentist it taught me that avoiding the dentist was not an option. My experience exactly. In my case, 31 years ago. I couldn't get an appointment for several days and I was on the strongest OTC painkillers you could get. And I was woken up at night by the pain when they wore off. And I suffered depression from their withdrawal (and the shock of the extraction of the piece of tooth, which involved slicing the gum). -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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raden wrote:
You mean pedant mode and /pedant mode ... Did they teach you nothing at school ? Nah. You mean ..enable pedant ... ..disable pedant or, in another dialect blessed by the ancients: SET /MODE=PEDANTRY ... SET /NOMODE=PEDANTRY |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:37:58 UTC, Stefek Zaba
wrote: raden wrote: You mean pedant mode and /pedant mode ... Did they teach you nothing at school ? Nah. You mean .enable pedant ... .disable pedant or, in another dialect blessed by the ancients: SET /MODE=PEDANTRY ... SET /NOMODE=PEDANTRY No...that would be (since there is a value involved): SET MODE=NOPEDANTRY (I think). Don't have the machine running right now so that I can check... -- Bob Eager begin a new life...dump Windows! |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
When I was eleven I filed off the end of my long incisor but it wasn't power assisted thank goodness I said incisor, not canine. sigh Eeeh, when ah wuz a lad, we wuz too puir tae ha incisors. Communal cisors dan the swimmin baths evry Sat'dy and like it. Owain |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in news:426b8247$0$28623
: show off mode on However, peanuts aren't nuts, they're a type of bean. show off mode off Isn't that why German foods are labelled 'may contains nuts and/or peanuts' (or something like that but in German)? -- Rod |
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