I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2 months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week, his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.

Last week, after we shot, we would have liked to shoot some more but I
didn't want to disturb the neighbor any more, we chose not to exercise our
right to shoot because of him. But he shoots next to our house Sunday
morning, within 5 minutes after Sunrise. So that afternoon I get out the 44
magnum and do some target practice. I figure if he doesn't appreciate us
not shooting for 2 months to be nice to him, then hell with him. I also
shot the AR-15 several rounds yesterday after work. My goal is to shoot
every night and video record him coming over here Sunday morning to shoot.

His house is across the street and down the road a bit, he drives his truck
and parks on the side of the road. I want to tape if he's taking the gun
out of a case and loading it, or transporting a loaded firearm illegally.
He shoots 6 rounds, takes a bit to reload, shoots 6 more rounds, reloads,
about 5 times, 30 rounds or so. I'm wanting to wait until he's reloading
and opening fire on my target range, the idiot will be standing there with
an empty gun while I could be filling him with lead if I desired. Maybe a
tannerite binary exploding target as an attention getter!

What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.

RogerN

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like
me shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2
months, last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my
AR-15 so I shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning
I hear our neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I
shoot around 300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house
just to be an asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the
ground to wake us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for
work all week, his shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal,
I'm usually awake laying in bed.

Last week, after we shot, we would have liked to shoot some more but I
didn't want to disturb the neighbor any more, we chose not to exercise our
right to shoot because of him. But he shoots next to our house Sunday
morning, within 5 minutes after Sunrise. So that afternoon I get out the
44 magnum and do some target practice. I figure if he doesn't appreciate
us not shooting for 2 months to be nice to him, then hell with him. I
also shot the AR-15 several rounds yesterday after work. My goal is to
shoot every night and video record him coming over here Sunday morning to
shoot.

His house is across the street and down the road a bit, he drives his
truck and parks on the side of the road. I want to tape if he's taking
the gun out of a case and loading it, or transporting a loaded firearm
illegally. He shoots 6 rounds, takes a bit to reload, shoots 6 more
rounds, reloads, about 5 times, 30 rounds or so. I'm wanting to wait
until he's reloading and opening fire on my target range, the idiot will
be standing there with an empty gun while I could be filling him with lead
if I desired. Maybe a tannerite binary exploding target as an attention
getter!

What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.

RogerN

Obviously you need a night vision scope so you can practice after
sundown.

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:42:19 -0500, RogerN wrote:

If it were me, I would set up a camera in a concealed location and tape
him crossing the road, coming next to your home, and shooting; then show
that to my local authorities (and talk to a local lawyer).

Whose land is he on when he does this? His, or someone elses? Maybe
you couold get that property posted as "no trespassing" by the owner?

I wouldn't confront someone as psycho as your neighbor. Sounds like a
real loose cannon - with no respect for anyone but himself. Stay clean
and within the law - let the other guy screw up...without geting
yourself hurt - or killed. Take consolation in the ammo/cash he's
wasting ;-)

--
Email address is a Spam trap.

"Bill" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:42:19 -0500, RogerN wrote:

If it were me, I would set up a camera in a concealed location and tape
him crossing the road, coming next to your home, and shooting; then show
that to my local authorities (and talk to a local lawyer).

Whose land is he on when he does this? His, or someone elses? Maybe
you couold get that property posted as "no trespassing" by the owner?

I wouldn't confront someone as psycho as your neighbor. Sounds like a
real loose cannon - with no respect for anyone but himself. Stay clean
and within the law - let the other guy screw up...without geting
yourself hurt - or killed. Take consolation in the ammo/cash he's
wasting ;-)

--
Email address is a Spam trap.

Sounds like good ideas. The property is his farm land so what he's doing is
only illegal if it's because he's within 10 yards of my house or because
he's just doing it to be a nuisance (they have admitted that they do this to
get back at me for shooting over 300 yards from their house). If they would
let me know what days and times they want to sit outside without hearing
gunfire, I'll shoot around their schedule. What it seems he wants it to be
able to make the law for the neighborhood and everyone has to obey his
command.

On Sunday mornings he drives his truck maybe 150 yards down his driveway
then about 150 yards down the road, parks, walks in his field right next to
out house and shoots about 30 rounds, reloading after every 6 shots. I want
to catch on camera if he's transporting his gun legally, in a case and
unloaded, for the ~150 yards he drives on the public road. I have a good
bit of R/C equipment, been flying models since 1981, so I can set a couple
of cameras on servos to pan and tilt. If I desired I could set a gun on
servos but he's not worth it unless he attacks us first.

My current wireless IP camera and my video camera with transmitter doesn't
have zoom on either camera, maybe I can use my camcorder too, it has a
remote.

RogerN

Sounds like a good excuse to buy yourself a .50 BMG rifle.

I was reading the other day about a new muzzle attachment for your AR15 that amplifies the crack to a very noticeable degree. Might be fun.

On 08/20/2013 03:42 PM, RogerN wrote:
I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2 months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week, his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.

You need to inform your local Sheriff about this and get it on the
record, regardless of whatever action the the Sheriff is able to take.

Sometimes it just takes someone seeing a badge at their front door to
give them a reality check.

Jon

"Jon Danniken" wrote in message ...

On 08/20/2013 03:42 PM, RogerN wrote:
I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like
me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2
months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so
I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to
wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week,
his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.

You need to inform your local Sheriff about this and get it on the
record, regardless of whatever action the the Sheriff is able to take.

Sometimes it just takes someone seeing a badge at their front door to
give them a reality check.

Jon

Yes, I've been calling the sheriff's office the first time they did this and
the they told me to let them know when he does this. This time when we
called they couldn't find it, I happened to keep a log of the incident and
was able to give them the exact date of the first incident.

I don't mind being neighborly and considerate, that's why I went 2 months
without shooting. Then I want to get my iron sights in the ballpark and he
does it again. I didn't stop shooting for 2 months because he's the king
of the neighborhood, I did it to be considerate. Then I shoot one time and
he's close (~10 yards) from the back of my house shooting at 6:20 AM Sunday.
So, since he doesn't appreciate it I shot Sunday afternoon, Monday after
work, and tonight after work. Our sunset time is currently around 7:40, I
quit shooting by 6:30 or so.

Tonight the neighbor and his wife comes out here after 9PM with chain saws
cutting trees on the property line, just to punish us for shooting. I wish
they would clean up the rest of the trees off the property line! I think
they want to be able to see us, or perhaps record us shooting, it will just
make more sound travel to their property, the vegetation that they removed
helped deaden the sound.

RogerN

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:42:19 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:


I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2 months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week, his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.


Like I said last time, look up and print out all the applicable
Federal, State, County and Local laws that apply to the subject, and
feel free to highlight the applicable statutes and attach notes as
needed. Then save a copy for yourself, and make one or two copies for
the local AHJ - Sheriffs Dept or Eq., State Highway Patrol if you're
really out in Nowhere Land. Might even run them by a lawyer to make
sure you didn't leave anything out.

Then write up your request for "times and days when it would be
acceptable"... and leave it at that for openers - and the Sheriff gets
a CC of that letter too.

And set up lots of cameras and put the DVR inside an armored box in
the house, or better yet put in a Dummy DVR that appears to have
everything while the real one is hidden away. And keep the house
doors locked at all times.

A home Burglar Alarm with Central Station dialer (or better a StarLink
Cell Data dialer in case they snip the phone line) and a Panic Button
remote wouldn't be a bad idea.

In case **** gets serious and then he tries to clean up after the fact
(or break in to plant false evidence) you have the footage of him
messing with you, breaking into the house and a hidden camera on the
Dummy DVR next to the vault as he's ripping it out by the roots
thinking he's taking the evidence...

If you suspect he's at all unstable, carry at all times - not just the
weapon you're testing, have a backup holstered and ready to go. Have
a friend or relative around to help. And find some Kevlar Long-Johns
in case he tries to escalate unexpectedly.

You're dealing with fire - Even if you're trying to handle this
civilly, he may not choose to reciprocate. The shooting into the dirt
for no discernable reason right at the edge of the property line kinda
proves that.

-- Bruce --

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:07:13 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Jon Danniken" wrote in message ...

On 08/20/2013 03:42 PM, RogerN wrote:
I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like
me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2
months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so
I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to
wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week,
his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.

You need to inform your local Sheriff about this and get it on the
record, regardless of whatever action the the Sheriff is able to take.

Sometimes it just takes someone seeing a badge at their front door to
give them a reality check.

Jon

Yes, I've been calling the sheriff's office the first time they did this and
the they told me to let them know when he does this. This time when we
called they couldn't find it, I happened to keep a log of the incident and
was able to give them the exact date of the first incident.

I don't mind being neighborly and considerate, that's why I went 2 months
without shooting. Then I want to get my iron sights in the ballpark and he
does it again. I didn't stop shooting for 2 months because he's the king
of the neighborhood, I did it to be considerate. Then I shoot one time and
he's close (~10 yards) from the back of my house shooting at 6:20 AM Sunday.
So, since he doesn't appreciate it I shot Sunday afternoon, Monday after
work, and tonight after work. Our sunset time is currently around 7:40, I
quit shooting by 6:30 or so.

Tonight the neighbor and his wife comes out here after 9PM with chain saws
cutting trees on the property line, just to punish us for shooting. I wish
they would clean up the rest of the trees off the property line! I think
they want to be able to see us, or perhaps record us shooting, it will just
make more sound travel to their property, the vegetation that they removed
helped deaden the sound.

RogerN


Do you own a backhoe?


"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like
me shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2
months, last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my
AR-15 so I shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning
I hear our neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I
shoot around 300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house
just to be an asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into
the ground to wake us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM
for work all week, his shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a
deal, I'm usually awake laying in bed.

Last week, after we shot, we would have liked to shoot some more but I
didn't want to disturb the neighbor any more, we chose not to exercise
our right to shoot because of him. But he shoots next to our house
Sunday morning, within 5 minutes after Sunrise. So that afternoon I get
out the 44 magnum and do some target practice. I figure if he doesn't
appreciate us not shooting for 2 months to be nice to him, then hell with
him. I also shot the AR-15 several rounds yesterday after work. My goal
is to shoot every night and video record him coming over here Sunday
morning to shoot.

His house is across the street and down the road a bit, he drives his
truck and parks on the side of the road. I want to tape if he's taking
the gun out of a case and loading it, or transporting a loaded firearm
illegally. He shoots 6 rounds, takes a bit to reload, shoots 6 more
rounds, reloads, about 5 times, 30 rounds or so. I'm wanting to wait
until he's reloading and opening fire on my target range, the idiot will
be standing there with an empty gun while I could be filling him with
lead if I desired. Maybe a tannerite binary exploding target as an
attention getter!

What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.

RogerN

Obviously you need a night vision scope so you can practice after
sundown.



Do the rest of us a favor...shoot him dead and spend the rest of your life
behind bars, where you will no longer a be threat to the population at
large..

Careful, he might get to you first...

On 8/21/2013 2:05 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Do you own a backhoe?



For digging a tiger trap no doubt.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:07:13 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

snip

Tonight the neighbor and his wife comes out here after 9PM with chain saws
cutting trees on the property line, just to punish us for shooting. I
wish
they would clean up the rest of the trees off the property line! I think
they want to be able to see us, or perhaps record us shooting, it will
just
make more sound travel to their property, the vegetation that they removed
helped deaden the sound.

RogerN


Do you own a backhoe?


"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013

I used to, I sold it, it sat and every time I went to use it, there would be
a new leak, seemed like an hour of fixing per hour of use.

I do have a little Kubota 4wd tractor with the front end loader, that's what
I used to dig my backstop.

RogerN

Roger, what you are describing is not a gun hating heighbor. Your
neighbor owns guns and uses them, although in a disagreeable way. This
is a neighbor who does not like shooting near his property.

On 8/20/2013 9:35 PM, RogerN wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:42:19 -0500, RogerN wrote:

If it were me, I would set up a camera in a concealed location and tape
him crossing the road, coming next to your home, and shooting; then show
that to my local authorities (and talk to a local lawyer).

Whose land is he on when he does this? His, or someone elses? Maybe
you couold get that property posted as "no trespassing" by the owner?

I wouldn't confront someone as psycho as your neighbor. Sounds like a
real loose cannon - with no respect for anyone but himself. Stay clean
and within the law - let the other guy screw up...without geting
yourself hurt - or killed. Take consolation in the ammo/cash he's
wasting ;-)

--
Email address is a Spam trap.

Sounds like good ideas. The property is his farm land so what he's doing is
only illegal if it's because he's within 10 yards of my house or because
he's just doing it to be a nuisance (they have admitted that they do this to
get back at me for shooting over 300 yards from their house). If they would
let me know what days and times they want to sit outside without hearing
gunfire, I'll shoot around their schedule. What it seems he wants it to be
able to make the law for the neighborhood and everyone has to obey his
command.

On Sunday mornings he drives his truck maybe 150 yards down his driveway
then about 150 yards down the road, parks, walks in his field right next to
out house and shoots about 30 rounds, reloading after every 6 shots. I want
to catch on camera if he's transporting his gun legally, in a case and
unloaded, for the ~150 yards he drives on the public road. I have a good
bit of R/C equipment, been flying models since 1981, so I can set a couple
of cameras on servos to pan and tilt. If I desired I could set a gun on
servos but he's not worth it unless he attacks us first.

My current wireless IP camera and my video camera with transmitter doesn't
have zoom on either camera, maybe I can use my camcorder too, it has a
remote.

RogerN


Roger, I do not know what state you are in, but in Pa. there is a safety
zone where no hunting is allowed within a certain distance from any
structure. Does your state have this provision? and Could what he does
be classified as "hunting"?

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:18:15 -0400, bobm46 wrote:

On 8/20/2013 9:35 PM, RogerN wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:42:19 -0500, RogerN wrote:

If it were me, I would set up a camera in a concealed location and tape
him crossing the road, coming next to your home, and shooting; then show
that to my local authorities (and talk to a local lawyer).

Whose land is he on when he does this? His, or someone elses? Maybe
you couold get that property posted as "no trespassing" by the owner?

I wouldn't confront someone as psycho as your neighbor. Sounds like a
real loose cannon - with no respect for anyone but himself. Stay clean
and within the law - let the other guy screw up...without geting
yourself hurt - or killed. Take consolation in the ammo/cash he's
wasting ;-)

--
Email address is a Spam trap.

Sounds like good ideas. The property is his farm land so what he's doing is
only illegal if it's because he's within 10 yards of my house or because
he's just doing it to be a nuisance (they have admitted that they do this to
get back at me for shooting over 300 yards from their house). If they would
let me know what days and times they want to sit outside without hearing
gunfire, I'll shoot around their schedule. What it seems he wants it to be
able to make the law for the neighborhood and everyone has to obey his
command.

On Sunday mornings he drives his truck maybe 150 yards down his driveway
then about 150 yards down the road, parks, walks in his field right next to
out house and shoots about 30 rounds, reloading after every 6 shots. I want
to catch on camera if he's transporting his gun legally, in a case and
unloaded, for the ~150 yards he drives on the public road. I have a good
bit of R/C equipment, been flying models since 1981, so I can set a couple
of cameras on servos to pan and tilt. If I desired I could set a gun on
servos but he's not worth it unless he attacks us first.

My current wireless IP camera and my video camera with transmitter doesn't
have zoom on either camera, maybe I can use my camcorder too, it has a
remote.

RogerN


Roger, I do not know what state you are in, but in Pa. there is a safety
zone where no hunting is allowed within a certain distance from any
structure. Does your state have this provision? and Could what he does
be classified as "hunting"?

I got my hunter-safety badge in PA and it was 100 or 150 yards from an
occupied dwelling for *firearm discharge*, not just hunting. But that
was in 1960. g I doubt if the law has gotten any looser. I think
it's now 150 yards.

Roger is in Illinois. State law there is 300 yards from an occupied
dwelling for hunting with a rifle or handgun, unless you have
permission from the owner; it's 100 yards for shotguns firing
shotshells.

But Illinois is loaded with tighter municipal regulations.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:18:15 -0400, bobm46 wrote:

On 8/20/2013 9:35 PM, RogerN wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:42:19 -0500, RogerN wrote:

If it were me, I would set up a camera in a concealed location and tape
him crossing the road, coming next to your home, and shooting; then
show
that to my local authorities (and talk to a local lawyer).

Whose land is he on when he does this? His, or someone elses? Maybe
you couold get that property posted as "no trespassing" by the owner?

I wouldn't confront someone as psycho as your neighbor. Sounds like a
real loose cannon - with no respect for anyone but himself. Stay
clean
and within the law - let the other guy screw up...without geting
yourself hurt - or killed. Take consolation in the ammo/cash he's
wasting ;-)

--
Email address is a Spam trap.

Sounds like good ideas. The property is his farm land so what he's
doing is
only illegal if it's because he's within 10 yards of my house or because
he's just doing it to be a nuisance (they have admitted that they do
this to
get back at me for shooting over 300 yards from their house). If they
would
let me know what days and times they want to sit outside without hearing
gunfire, I'll shoot around their schedule. What it seems he wants it to
be
able to make the law for the neighborhood and everyone has to obey his
command.

On Sunday mornings he drives his truck maybe 150 yards down his driveway
then about 150 yards down the road, parks, walks in his field right next
to
out house and shoots about 30 rounds, reloading after every 6 shots. I
want
to catch on camera if he's transporting his gun legally, in a case and
unloaded, for the ~150 yards he drives on the public road. I have a
good
bit of R/C equipment, been flying models since 1981, so I can set a
couple
of cameras on servos to pan and tilt. If I desired I could set a gun on
servos but he's not worth it unless he attacks us first.

My current wireless IP camera and my video camera with transmitter
doesn't
have zoom on either camera, maybe I can use my camcorder too, it has a
remote.

RogerN


Roger, I do not know what state you are in, but in Pa. there is a safety
zone where no hunting is allowed within a certain distance from any
structure. Does your state have this provision? and Could what he does
be classified as "hunting"?

I got my hunter-safety badge in PA and it was 100 or 150 yards from an
occupied dwelling for *firearm discharge*, not just hunting. But that
was in 1960. g I doubt if the law has gotten any looser. I think
it's now 150 yards.

Roger is in Illinois. State law there is 300 yards from an occupied
dwelling for hunting with a rifle or handgun, unless you have
permission from the owner; it's 100 yards for shotguns firing
shotshells.

But Illinois is loaded with tighter municipal regulations.

--
Ed Huntress

Roger should offer the free use of his target range to the local,
state and federal law enforcement angencies. Hold a NRA
member shooting day once a month. SWAT team practice.

At any rate i see this evolving into a ****ing match no matter what
happens. No winners except the lawyers.

Best Regards
Tom.
--
http://fija.org/

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:42:19 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:


I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2 months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week, his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.

Last week, after we shot, we would have liked to shoot some more but I
didn't want to disturb the neighbor any more, we chose not to exercise our
right to shoot because of him. But he shoots next to our house Sunday
morning, within 5 minutes after Sunrise. So that afternoon I get out the 44
magnum and do some target practice. I figure if he doesn't appreciate us
not shooting for 2 months to be nice to him, then hell with him. I also
shot the AR-15 several rounds yesterday after work. My goal is to shoot
every night and video record him coming over here Sunday morning to shoot.

His house is across the street and down the road a bit, he drives his truck
and parks on the side of the road. I want to tape if he's taking the gun
out of a case and loading it, or transporting a loaded firearm illegally.
He shoots 6 rounds, takes a bit to reload, shoots 6 more rounds, reloads,
about 5 times, 30 rounds or so.

LOL You two assholes deserve each other.

Considering all the hateful horse**** you post, your neighbor problems
are making me believe in karma.

I'm wanting to wait until he's reloading
and opening fire on my target range, the idiot will be standing there with
an empty gun while I could be filling him with lead if I desired. Maybe a
tannerite binary exploding target as an attention getter!
What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.

The same kind of moron who broadcasts his daydreams about killing.

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:41:27 AM UTC-7, Ignoramus11851 wrote:
Roger, what you are describing is not a gun hating heighbor. Your

neighbor owns guns and uses them, although in a disagreeable way. This

is a neighbor who does not like shooting near his property.



No, this is a neighbor that doesn't seem to like Roger.

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:11:50 -0700, azotic wrote:

At any rate i see this evolving into a ****ing match no matter what
happens. No winners except the lawyers.

The neighbor is clearly not right in the head to dischage a firearm that
close to an occupied dwelling; and someone that unbalanced could "snap"
and turn violent with little or no warning. So I agree - if you have
any other place you can shoot - do your shooting there and not at home.
Like line from Star Wars: "Let the Wookie win." might be the best, and
safest, solution.

--
Email address is a Spam trap.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:30:53 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:


Do the rest of us a favor...shoot him dead and spend the rest of your life
behind bars, where you will no longer a be threat to the population at
large..

Careful, he might get to you first...


Philosophical question: if these guys would do their shooting while
the other was in church, would there be a sound?

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 05:30:21 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:07:13 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

snip

Tonight the neighbor and his wife comes out here after 9PM with chain saws
cutting trees on the property line, just to punish us for shooting. I
wish
they would clean up the rest of the trees off the property line! I think
they want to be able to see us, or perhaps record us shooting, it will
just
make more sound travel to their property, the vegetation that they removed
helped deaden the sound.

RogerN


Do you own a backhoe?


"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013

I used to, I sold it, it sat and every time I went to use it, there would be
a new leak, seemed like an hour of fixing per hour of use.

I do have a little Kubota 4wd tractor with the front end loader, that's what
I used to dig my backstop.

RogerN


"Dig a nice deep hole near your septic tank....and then dig a hole
over your septic tank, and when your neighbor comes over and shoots
close to the house..put a .22 LR in his ear. Then fill in the hole
with him. Never say a word to anyone about it.to anyone. He simply
disappears. Problem solved.
Cops come over and investigate his disappearance..they might even dig
up the septic tank because they will worry about him being inside. Let
them. They may suspect, they may wonder..but they will never ever
know."

Thats what the contents of a novel once suggested. I cant remember
the title though.

Shrug

Gunner

"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013

Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks on Wed, 21 Aug 2013 03:55:32 -0400 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 8/21/2013 2:05 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
Do you own a backhoe?

For digging a tiger trap no doubt.

That's a terrible thing to do. Tigers are so beautiful - and
endangered too.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On 8/20/2013 6:42 PM, RogerN wrote:
I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2 months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week, his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.

snip

Let him shoot all he wants but get it on video. If he shoots into the
ground in the same general area, why not bury some reactive targets there?

Start shooting at 5 AM on Sunday? Shoot a few rounds every few hours
all day? Get really big speakers pointed at his house and play horrible
music for hours at a time? He obviously wants to escalate things. But,
watch out for his breaking point.

On 8/21/2013 1:07 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 05:30:21 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:07:13 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:

snip

Tonight the neighbor and his wife comes out here after 9PM with chain saws
cutting trees on the property line, just to punish us for shooting. I
wish
they would clean up the rest of the trees off the property line! I think
they want to be able to see us, or perhaps record us shooting, it will
just
make more sound travel to their property, the vegetation that they removed
helped deaden the sound.

RogerN


Do you own a backhoe?


"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013

I used to, I sold it, it sat and every time I went to use it, there would be
a new leak, seemed like an hour of fixing per hour of use.

I do have a little Kubota 4wd tractor with the front end loader, that's what
I used to dig my backstop.

RogerN


"Dig a nice deep hole near your septic tank....and then dig a hole
over your septic tank, and when your neighbor comes over and shoots
close to the house..put a .22 LR in his ear. Then fill in the hole
with him. Never say a word to anyone about it.to anyone. He simply
disappears. Problem solved.
Cops come over and investigate his disappearance..they might even dig
up the septic tank because they will worry about him being inside. Let
them. They may suspect, they may wonder..but they will never ever
know."

Thats what the contents of a novel once suggested. I cant remember
the title though.

Shrug

Gunner

"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013



Brain Candy!

On 8/21/2013 1:26 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article ,
Ignoramus11851 wrote:
Roger, what you are describing is not a gun hating heighbor. Your
neighbor owns guns and uses them, ...

Came here to say that. What Roger *actually* has is a noise-hating
neighbor. I'm betting that the local ordinances will actually side with
the neighbor where the noise is concerned.

Isn't there an approved gun range that Roger can go to?




Assuming Roger is within his rights, why would the neighbor's wants
trump Roger's rights?

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

On 8/20/2013 6:42 PM, RogerN wrote:
I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like
me
shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2
months,
last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so
I
shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our
neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around
300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an
asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to
wake
us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week,
his
shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake
laying in bed.

snip

Let him shoot all he wants but get it on video. If he shoots into the
ground in the same general area, why not bury some reactive targets there?

Start shooting at 5 AM on Sunday? Shoot a few rounds every few hours all
day? Get really big speakers pointed at his house and play horrible music
for hours at a time? He obviously wants to escalate things. But, watch
out for his breaking point.

For now I just want to keep him going enough to catch him on video.

Today I got a suggestion, since his actions are so irrational, have a
restraining order where he isn't allowed within so many yards of me or my
residence. He wouldn't even be allowed to farm near my house. If I have
some video tape of what he's doing it should help.

If I catch him transporting his weapon without a case and loaded, it's a
felony and he'll lose his gun rights. Hopefully he'll end up without gun
rights and won't be able to access his property within so many yards of my
house.

RogerN

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:18:15 -0400, bobm46 wrote:

snip
Roger, I do not know what state you are in, but in Pa. there is a safety
zone where no hunting is allowed within a certain distance from any
structure. Does your state have this provision? and Could what he does
be classified as "hunting"?

snip

Roger is in Illinois. State law there is 300 yards from an occupied
dwelling for hunting with a rifle or handgun, unless you have
permission from the owner; it's 100 yards for shotguns firing
shotshells.

But Illinois is loaded with tighter municipal regulations.

--
Ed Huntress

The 300 yards/100 yards seems to apply to hunting and trapping but not to
shooting.

As far as I can tell, he's legal except that he's doing it to be a nuisance
to try to interfere with my legal right to shoot.

I'll cut back on the shooting to try to please him but if he's going to make
trouble when I shoot for an hour out of two months, then there is going to
be trouble. If he shoots me he won't have to worry about neighbors
shooting, just maybe the prison guards target practicing.

RogerN

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:42:19 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:
I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like me

shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2 months,

last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my AR-15 so I

shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning I hear our

neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I shoot around

300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house just to be an

asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into the ground to wake

us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM for work all week, his

shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a deal, I'm usually awake

laying in bed.



Last week, after we shot, we would have liked to shoot some more but I

didn't want to disturb the neighbor any more, we chose not to exercise our

right to shoot because of him. But he shoots next to our house Sunday

morning, within 5 minutes after Sunrise. So that afternoon I get out the 44

magnum and do some target practice. I figure if he doesn't appreciate us

not shooting for 2 months to be nice to him, then hell with him. I also

shot the AR-15 several rounds yesterday after work. My goal is to shoot

every night and video record him coming over here Sunday morning to shoot.



His house is across the street and down the road a bit, he drives his truck

and parks on the side of the road. I want to tape if he's taking the gun

out of a case and loading it, or transporting a loaded firearm illegally.

He shoots 6 rounds, takes a bit to reload, shoots 6 more rounds, reloads,

about 5 times, 30 rounds or so. I'm wanting to wait until he's reloading

and opening fire on my target range, the idiot will be standing there with

an empty gun while I could be filling him with lead if I desired. Maybe a

tannerite binary exploding target as an attention getter!



What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.



RogerN

The only answer I see to this problem is selling your house and moving to a place where you have plenty of acreage. A place were you can't see your neighbors and they can't see you.

On 21/08/2013 2:30 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"azotic" wrote in message
...

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

I don't know if you remember my post about the neighbor that doesn't like
me shooting, but since last time... I haven't shot for a little over 2
months, last Monday or Tuesday I decided to adjust the iron sights on my
AR-15 so I shoot for a few shots, around 5:30-6 PM or so. Sunday morning
I hear our neighbor shooting right outside our house at 6:21 AM, note I
shoot around 300 yards from his house, he shoots ~10 yards from my house
just to be an asshole. He's not target practicing, just shooting into
the ground to wake us up early. So, I get up every morning at 5:10 AM
for work all week, his shooting on Sunday morning isn't that big of a
deal, I'm usually awake laying in bed.

Last week, after we shot, we would have liked to shoot some more but I
didn't want to disturb the neighbor any more, we chose not to exercise
our right to shoot because of him. But he shoots next to our house
Sunday morning, within 5 minutes after Sunrise. So that afternoon I get
out the 44 magnum and do some target practice. I figure if he doesn't
appreciate us not shooting for 2 months to be nice to him, then hell with
him. I also shot the AR-15 several rounds yesterday after work. My goal
is to shoot every night and video record him coming over here Sunday
morning to shoot.

His house is across the street and down the road a bit, he drives his
truck and parks on the side of the road. I want to tape if he's taking
the gun out of a case and loading it, or transporting a loaded firearm
illegally. He shoots 6 rounds, takes a bit to reload, shoots 6 more
rounds, reloads, about 5 times, 30 rounds or so. I'm wanting to wait
until he's reloading and opening fire on my target range, the idiot will
be standing there with an empty gun while I could be filling him with
lead if I desired. Maybe a tannerite binary exploding target as an
attention getter!

What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.

RogerN

Obviously you need a night vision scope so you can practice after
sundown.



Do the rest of us a favor...shoot him dead and spend the rest of your life
behind bars, where you will no longer a be threat to the population at
large..

Careful, he might get to you first...




You beat me to it....

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:42:19 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:
snip
What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.



RogerN

The only answer I see to this problem is selling your house and moving to a
place where you have plenty of acreage. A place were you can't see your
neighbors and they can't see you.

I did that when I bought this place, his place was a farm field when I moved
here 10 years ago. He moved in and thinks he's the law. I could better see
his point if his house was real close to mine, it's pretty close to 1000
feet away.

RogerN

On Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:14:22 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:
"jon_banquer" wrote in message

...



On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:42:19 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:

snip

What kind of moron thinks he's the law outside of city limits.







RogerN



The only answer I see to this problem is selling your house and moving to a

place where you have plenty of acreage. A place were you can't see your

neighbors and they can't see you.



I did that when I bought this place, his place was a farm field when I moved

here 10 years ago. He moved in and thinks he's the law. I could better see

his point if his house was real close to mine, it's pretty close to 1000

feet away.



RogerN


What would it have cost you back then to buy that farm field?

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:14:22 PM UTC-7, RogerN wrote:
snip

The only answer I see to this problem is selling your house and moving
to a
place where you have plenty of acreage. A place were you can't see your
neighbors and they can't see you.


I did that when I bought this place, his place was a farm field when I
moved
here 10 years ago. He moved in and thinks he's the law. I could better
see
his point if his house was real close to mine, it's pretty close to 1000
feet away.


RogerN


What would it have cost you back then to buy that farm field?

The land belonged to his wife's father, they lived a mile or so away. I had
no idea that anyone would be moving in. Everybody else I talk to that lives
in the country seems OK with shooting, that's one of the advantages of rural
living. They should live in the city limits where their neighbors aren't
allowed to shoot. If it gets bad enough I'll move closer to work and make
this land a shooting range.

RogerN

"Gonadicus" wrote in message
. au...

On 21/08/2013 2:30 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
snip

Do the rest of us a favor...shoot him dead and spend the rest of your
life
behind bars, where you will no longer a be threat to the population at
large..

Careful, he might get to you first...




You beat me to it....

He took the words right out of your mouth, it must have been while you were
kissing him...

you can see paradise in his ass tonight.

(Edward A. Falk) wrote in :

In article ,
Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

Assuming Roger is within his rights, why would the neighbor's wants
trump Roger's rights?

Assuming the neighbor is within his rights, why would Roger's wants
trump the neighbor's rights?

It seems that both of them like to fire off guns without regards
to the others' feelings on the matter. So what's the problem?

I'm grateful that I don't have neighbors like Roger's neighbor.

I'm equally grateful that I don't have neighbors like Roger.

I think they're equally at fault he both beating their chests and roaring inarticulately, like
apes in the jungle, each determined to back the other one down -- and neither one willing to
use the powers of speech and reason which are supposed to differentiate homo sapiens
from our hairier cousins.

On Friday, August 23, 2013 7:18:04 PM UTC-7, Doug Miller wrote:
(Edward A. Falk) wrote in :



In article ,

Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:



Assuming Roger is within his rights, why would the neighbor's wants

trump Roger's rights?



Assuming the neighbor is within his rights, why would Roger's wants

trump the neighbor's rights?



It seems that both of them like to fire off guns without regards

to the others' feelings on the matter. So what's the problem?



I'm grateful that I don't have neighbors like Roger's neighbor.



I'm equally grateful that I don't have neighbors like Roger.



I think they're equally at fault he both beating their chests and roaring inarticulately, like

apes in the jungle, each determined to back the other one down -- and neither one willing to

use the powers of speech and reason which are supposed to differentiate homo sapiens

from our hairier cousins.

I'm grateful I don't have Doug Miller as a neighbor as I'd pop a cap in his worthless ass in seconds flat.

On the other hand, having Roger as a neighbor would be a pleasure. I've always found Roger to be a reasonable person and we disagree on just about everything. :)

"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
RogerN wrote:

The 300 yards/100 yards seems to apply to hunting and trapping but not to
shooting.

As far as I can tell, he's legal except that he's doing it to be a
nuisance
to try to interfere with my legal right to shoot.

OK, so you think your legal right to shoot outweighs his right
to have some peace and quiet?

Fine.

But then, doesn't *he* have a legal right to shoot?

Depends, doesn't it? His right to swing his fist stops at the other guy's
nose. If he's traveling the 1,000 feet to discharge his firearm near the
house of the neighbor, but has no interest in shooting for the sake of
shooting, seems to me that's being a nuisance.

I live where shooting is permissible. People exercise that right on an
almost daily basis. Trying to be a good neighbor, I keep my mouth closed,
as there are days when I may do things that others don't enjoy. If a
neighbor chooses to turn something legal in to a ****ing contest, he's
obviously not in his right mind, or he's the typical young guy, who thinks
the world revolves around him, with the rights of others having no meaning
to him. What he needs is to be taught a lesson---one whereby he learns to
tolerate the actions of others when they aren't illegal. You can bet your
butt he'd expect others to tolerate his actions.

Harold

On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 01:14:49 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A.
Falk) wrote:

In article ,
RogerN wrote:

The 300 yards/100 yards seems to apply to hunting and trapping but not to
shooting.

As far as I can tell, he's legal except that he's doing it to be a nuisance
to try to interfere with my legal right to shoot.

OK, so you think your legal right to shoot outweighs his right
to have some peace and quiet?

Fine.

But then, doesn't *he* have a legal right to shoot?

Big difference from 1000 feet and 90 feet or less.




"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013

On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 02:18:04 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

(Edward A. Falk) wrote in :

In article ,
Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

Assuming Roger is within his rights, why would the neighbor's wants
trump Roger's rights?

Assuming the neighbor is within his rights, why would Roger's wants
trump the neighbor's rights?

It seems that both of them like to fire off guns without regards
to the others' feelings on the matter. So what's the problem?

I'm grateful that I don't have neighbors like Roger's neighbor.

I'm equally grateful that I don't have neighbors like Roger.

I think they're equally at fault he both beating their chests and roaring inarticulately, like
apes in the jungle, each determined to back the other one down -- and neither one willing to
use the powers of speech and reason which are supposed to differentiate homo sapiens
from our hairier cousins.

Equally at fault? No.

When one is shooting 1000 feet away..and in another direction..its a
bit different than showing up 60 feet away and shooting..and doing it
early in the morning on top of it.

Big difference.


"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.

Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

snip
Depends, doesn't it? His right to swing his fist stops at the other
guy's nose. If he's traveling the 1,000 feet to discharge his firearm
near the house of the neighbor, but has no interest in shooting for the
sake of shooting, seems to me that's being a nuisance.

I live where shooting is permissible. People exercise that right on an
almost daily basis. Trying to be a good neighbor, I keep my mouth closed,
as there are days when I may do things that others don't enjoy. If a
neighbor chooses to turn something legal in to a ****ing contest, he's
obviously not in his right mind, or he's the typical young guy, who thinks
the world revolves around him, with the rights of others having no meaning
to him. What he needs is to be taught a lesson---one whereby he learns to
tolerate the actions of others when they aren't illegal. You can bet your
butt he'd expect others to tolerate his actions.

Harold

I looked up the restraining order information online. In Illinois you can
get a restraining order from someone interfering with something you have a
right to do, But, it has to be a relative or someone you've dated, been
engaged to, or something like that. I don't understand why it's OK to
interfere with someone's rights only if you're not related, but this is
Illinois, our Governors frequently go to jail, the last state with concealed
carry, the court had to force them.

I'm interested in talking to the person that owns the land next to his
house. If I tell them what's going on, they may give me permission to shoot
on their land or sell me an acre or so. If all else fails I'll move and
build a shooting range on this property.

But before I do any of that, I want to write this neighbor a nice letter
asking for his feedback on coming to a solution to this problem. Maybe a
sound deadening wall, maybe certain times that he's not sitting outside, not
home, or not sleeping.

Both he and I have property on both sides of the road. I had a place to
shoot on the side of the road where he built his home but I moved my
shooting across the street, from my field to my yard, to try to be
considerate of him. They came over to complain so I moved my shooting on
the other side of my house to try to please them. I didn't shoot often for
a few years until I assembled some AR's and wanted to test fire them, make
sure they feed reliably, sight them in, target practice, etc. Then without
even hearing a complaint from them, he came over right behind my house and
started shooting on a Sunday morning around 6:00 AM.

When being waken up by the shooting the first time, not having any idea who
or why, not long after the Adam Lanza nut, if he hadn't been gone by the
time I got dressed and got outside with my gun there's a good chance he'd
been shot if I thought he was trying to harm us.

RogerN

"RogerN" wrote in news:
:

The best solution could be if he would work with me, giving me feedback, on
trying to attenuate the sound to an acceptable level or let me know what
times I can shoot that won't disturb them so much.

In order for that to work, Roger, you need to stop beating your chest long enough to go over
and actually *talk* to your neighbor.