[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 12:57*pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. *I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. *He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Lloyd

I object to *anyone* not developing the proper way to think so they
can diagnose and solve problems on their own without needing to be
constantly spoon fed like iggy does. Same applies to a moron like
SteveB.

I reject the ego driven approach that iggy uses. His ego driven
approach shows in how he has kill filed Precision Machinist because
SVL won't kiss his iggy's ass and spoon feed him. For years I fought
tooth and nail with SVL but I always read his posts and I always knew
that he was very gifted and mechanical.

You don't help someone by spoon feeding them, Lloyd. In fact, you do
them a lot of damage. I think someone like Ed Huntress has done
himself a lot of harm by placing too much emphasis on theory and not
enough on practical experience and learning to problem solve on his
own. Ed giving up on learning to shrink sheet metal and thinking it's
difficult is an example of something that should not have occurred and
should be corrected despite lack of interest on his part... if only
for the feeling of metal triumph. Ed Huntress gave up. That's never
acceptable in my world.

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 1:42*pm, jon_banquer wrote:
On Mar 23, 12:57*pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"









lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. *I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. *He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Lloyd

I object to *anyone* not developing the proper way to think so they
can diagnose and solve problems on their own without needing to be
constantly spoon fed like iggy does. Same applies to a moron like
SteveB.

I reject the ego driven approach that iggy uses. His ego driven
approach shows in how he has kill filed Precision Machinist because
SVL won't kiss his iggy's ass and spoon feed him. For years I fought
tooth and nail with SVL but I always read his posts and I always knew
that he was very gifted and mechanical.

You don't help someone by spoon feeding them, Lloyd. In fact, you do
them a lot of damage. I think someone like Ed Huntress has done
himself a lot of harm by placing too much emphasis on theory and not
enough on practical experience and learning to problem solve on his
own. Ed giving up on learning to shrink sheet metal and thinking it's
difficult is an example of something that should not have occurred and
should be corrected despite lack of interest on his part... if only
for the feeling of metal triumph. Ed Huntress gave up. That's never
acceptable in my world.

I meant mental triumph but metal triumph also works. :)

[Ed Huntress]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:42:55 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Mar 23, 12:57*pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. *I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. *He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Lloyd

I object to *anyone* not developing the proper way to think so they
can diagnose and solve problems on their own without needing to be
constantly spoon fed like iggy does. Same applies to a moron like
SteveB.

I reject the ego driven approach that iggy uses. His ego driven
approach shows in how he has kill filed Precision Machinist because
SVL won't kiss his iggy's ass and spoon feed him. For years I fought
tooth and nail with SVL but I always read his posts and I always knew
that he was very gifted and mechanical.

You don't help someone by spoon feeding them, Lloyd. In fact, you do
them a lot of damage. I think someone like Ed Huntress has done
himself a lot of harm by placing too much emphasis on theory and not
enough on practical experience and learning to problem solve on his
own. Ed giving up on learning to shrink sheet metal and thinking it's
difficult is an example of something that should not have occurred and
should be corrected despite lack of interest on his part... if only
for the feeling of metal triumph. Ed Huntress gave up. That's never
acceptable in my world.

Hey, Jon, I explained that I was only interested in seeing how that
shrinking method worked. I'm not interested in making car bodies.
Besides, I have a LOT of experience with fiberglass and other
composites, working as a bonder and layup man for Ranger Yachts back
when I was a kid, and I'd definitely make a car body that way, if I
was going to make one.

But I'm not. I don't care about sheet-metal "triumph." I was just
curious, and I had my curiosity satisfied.

You seem to think that everyone should share your enthusiasms. I
don't. I care about other things. But that doesn't stop me from
fiddling around in my shop with things I'm curious about. I don't
expect to become an expert at those things, anymore than I expect to
become an expert at endocrinology. But I read as many 100 papers per
week on the subject when I was editing medical journals. It satisfied
a lot of curiosities, but don't expect me to operate on your pancreas.
g

--
Ed Huntress

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 2:03*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:42:55 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer









wrote:
On Mar 23, 12:57 pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Lloyd

I object to *anyone* not developing the proper way to think so they
can diagnose and solve problems on their own without needing to be
constantly spoon fed like iggy does. Same applies to a moron like
SteveB.

I reject the ego driven approach that iggy uses. His ego driven
approach shows in how he has kill filed Precision Machinist because
SVL won't kiss his iggy's ass and spoon feed him. For years I fought
tooth and nail with SVL but I always read his posts and I always knew
that he was very gifted and mechanical.

You don't help someone by spoon feeding them, Lloyd. In fact, you do
them a lot of damage. I think someone like Ed Huntress has done
himself a lot of harm by placing too much emphasis on theory and not
enough on practical experience and learning to problem solve on his
own. Ed giving up on learning to shrink sheet metal and thinking it's
difficult is an example of something that should not have occurred and
should be corrected despite lack of interest on his part... if only
for the feeling of metal triumph. Ed Huntress gave up. That's never
acceptable in my world.

Hey, Jon, I explained that I was only interested in seeing how that
shrinking method worked. I'm not interested in making car bodies.
Besides, I have a LOT of experience with fiberglass and other
composites, working as a bonder and layup man for Ranger Yachts back
when I was a kid, and I'd definitely make a car body that way, if I
was going to make one.

But I'm not. I don't care about sheet-metal "triumph." I was just
curious, and I had my curiosity satisfied.

You seem to think that everyone should share your enthusiasms. I
don't. I care about other things. But that doesn't stop me from
fiddling around in my shop with things I'm curious about. I don't
expect to become an expert at those things, anymore than I expect to
become an expert at endocrinology. But I read as many 100 papers per
week on the subject when I was editing medical journals. It satisfied
a lot of curiosities, but don't expect me to operate on your pancreas.
g

--
Ed Huntress

No, Ed I don't think everyone should share my "enthusiasms". As I've
made clear to you several times, I don't have a problem with that.

What I have a problem with is those that spoon feed and coddle someone
like iggy. They do it to feed their ego.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 23, 5:20*pm, jon_banquer wrote:

What I have a problem with is those that spoon feed and coddle someone
like iggy. They do it to feed their ego.
\
So what is wrong about having a well fed ego?

Dan

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 2:36*pm, " wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:20*pm, jon_banquer wrote:

What I have a problem with is those that spoon feed and coddle someone
like iggy. They do it to feed their ego.

\
So what is wrong about having a well fed ego?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan


What's wrong with insisting people learn to problem solve and think
for themselves rather than spoon feeding them for years like iggy has
been spoon fed.

[Steve Walker[_10_]]

On 3/22/2013 20:28, jon_banquer wrote:
On Mar 22, 12:52 pm, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:
"Ignoramus3931" wrote in ...
My guy asked me to cut a 1mm pitch thread on a custom shaft.

I could not do it on my lathe, so I finally bit the bullet and wrote a
subroutine to do threading with my 4th axis rotary table. I use a 60
degree chamfering end mill.

Now I can cut any thread, any pitch, right or left handed, and if the
thread is very coarse, the subroutine does it in several passes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMENnIJrl9Y

I am afraid that it does not create a 100% correct thread geometry,
but I hope that I can do enough things with it to be useful with some
adjustments to diameter.

For a 1MM pitch, a hand ground, single point hss threading tool probably would have worked just as well and would also have produced the correct root geometry.

That would require building a skill. That's not iggy's bag. iggy is
almost totally focused on buying stuff for nothing rather than
building skills.


I would say converting a machine to a different control, and writing
complex routines for doing unusual things with it constitute a real
skill. Don't forget his math abilities, second to nobody in this group.
He seems to find a LOT of spare time to enjoy doing things other than
buying and selling.

Check out his website, totally voluntary done by him.

People really only need to learn skills to complete the task at hand.

Read some of his posts about what he HAS done, and see how many you can do.

Sure, others may have different skillsets, but those who can and do, and
also post proof, are way above and beyond those who only brag.

I would much prefer to see all that people have done, than just read in
this newsgroup about stuff people have done.

"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -- Yogi Berra





I wish I had enough spare time to do more, but gotta balance work,
family, rest, etc. What's left over my spare time. G


--
Steve Walker
(remove brain when replying)

[Larry Jaques[_4_]]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:57:54 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.


But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Of course he would. He's Jon Banquer. Just plonk him, Lloyd.

--
In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant.
--Charles de Gaulle

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 8:36*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:57:54 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"









lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. *I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. *He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Of course he would. *He's Jon Banquer. *Just plonk him, Lloyd.

--
In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *--Charles de Gaulle

Kill files are for pussies. Larry Jackass is a major pussy.

[Ignoramus28776]

On 2013-03-24, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:57:54 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.


But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Of course he would. He's Jon Banquer. Just plonk him, Lloyd.



I have this venomous midget on the very bottom of my killfile.

i

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 8:36*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:57:54 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"









lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. *I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. *He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Of course he would. *He's Jon Banquer. *Just plonk him, Lloyd.

--
In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *--Charles de Gaulle


Larry Jackass, ****ty web design and "home and garden handyman".

http://diversifycomm.com/

http://tinyurl.com/cruzhs3

What a ****ing joke this moron is.

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 9:12*pm, Ignoramus28776 ignoramus28...@NOSPAM.
28776.invalid wrote:
On 2013-03-24, Larry Jaques wrote:









On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:57:54 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. *I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. *He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Of course he would. *He's Jon Banquer. *Just plonk him, Lloyd.

I have this venomous midget on the very bottom of my killfile.

i

I see iggy is still mad he can't buy the high end tools I sell for
nothing. Even if he could he would have no idea how to use them.

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 23, 9:12*pm, Ignoramus28776 ignoramus28...@NOSPAM.
28776.invalid wrote:
On 2013-03-24, Larry Jaques wrote:









On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:57:54 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

jon_banquer fired this volley in news:5d8d934c-
:

Sponenburgh, one can't learn to be a decent machinist if they can't
learn to develop the skills to think their way out of difficult
situations on their own.

But he's not TRYING to be a 'decent machinist'. *I'm not even sure that's
in his top twenty priorities. *He's a used equipment dealer, earning a
living doing that, not doing machining.

Would you object to his questions if he stated himself to be a framing
carpenter, and just wanted to know how a particular metalworking
operation were done?

Of course he would. *He's Jon Banquer. *Just plonk him, Lloyd.

I have this venomous midget on the very bottom of my killfile.

i

Care to explain how you replied to one of my posts a few weeks ago,
iggy?

You're not only a hack and a butcher but a liar as well.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh[_3_]]

jon_banquer fired this volley in news:380a9f64-8a9e-
:

You're not only a hack and a butcher but a liar as well.

I think you miss the point that your quotations show up in other people's
posts who are not blocked... Just because someone disagrees with you
doesn't mean they're lying.

Lloyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh[_3_]]

Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

Lloyd

[Ignoramus7568]

On 2013-03-24, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

It is a good point, something that I spent a long time considering. A
year ago I was more worried about it, than now.

After a while of thinking, I came up with three answers.

Number one, what you say is true, but not 100% true. If the industry
"recovers", there will still be losers, mismanaged companies,
companies in the wrong niche etc. And the companies that do well will
discard obsolete equipment at a greater rate. So, some surplus
material and equipment will be still available.

Second, if I have a business that is debt free with a fair amount of
capital, with good equipment like transport and material handling
equipment, with good people etc, I may very well find something else
to do when circumstances change.

Third, even now, the industry in general is doing well, most of my
buyers tell me that they are swamped by orders, etc. And yet I stay
busy.

i

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 24, 7:01*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
jon_banquer fired this volley in news:380a9f64-8a9e-
:

You're not only a hack and a butcher but a liar as well.

I think you miss the point that your quotations show up in other people's
posts who are not blocked... *Just because someone disagrees with you
doesn't mean they're lying.

Lloyd

Nope, I don't miss the point. iggy directly responded to me a few
weeks ago and not to someone quoting me. iggy is a lying ****bag who
is angry at me because I won't sell him any of the expensive tools I
own for nothing.

[Existential Angst[_2_]]

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Mar 22, 6:15 pm, Ignoramus6048
wrote:
On 2013-03-23, wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:28?pm, jon_banquer wrote:
That would require building a skill. That's not iggy's bag. iggy is
almost totally focused on buying stuff for nothing rather than
building skills.

Buying stuff for nothing is a skill. Maybe not the same as your
skills, but a skill never the less.

Thanks.

Converting a Bridgeport milling machine to Linux is also a skill.

And yapping on forums about "having access to a friend's shop" is not
a skill.

As for single point threading, my current problem is that the spindle
has to be on brake. However, spindle brake right now is tied to
estop. It only activates when the mill is e-stopped, and deactivates
when the mill is out of estop. Fixing that requires me to spend a
considerable time writing emc2 logic statements (to interlock brake
and estop and spindle running safely). I do not have time for this
right now.

i

iggy has very few metalworking or welding skills even after many years
of posting here. He's a butcher/hack with no clues.

Gaining skills means paying your dues. iggy refuses to pay his dues
and he has no respect for others such as Precision Machinist. iggy has
kill filled Precision Machinist who, unlike Mark Wieber, refuses to
coddle and spoon feed iggy. The sad fact is that iggy can't handle
anyone who tells him the truth about his ****ed up approach to
metalworking and welding. He's on a series ego trip that for years has
prevented him from properly learning and acquiring the needed
metalworking and welding skills and it shows in almost every post iggy
makes.

Hey, Jon, knock it off. I saw what he did with his Bridgeport. This
guy looked deeply into what Bridgeport had done, and what was possible
with some modern components and his own programming skills, and did
something that would have amazed any of the commercial CNC retrofit
companies I've visited and interviewed.

Furthermore, he's gone from zero to a pretty good speed on learning
how to machine parts. He takes his own path -- he seems to be as
interested in the creative aspects of the work as in learning the
conventional wisdom. He's put a lot of work into it and he's tenacious
as hell.

He's paid his dues, but not to prepare for some conventional machining
job. He's doing his own thing and he's had some successes. Unlike many
others, he's more of an inventor than a follower, and he's not afraid
to fail.

That's not to knock conventional training. It's just different; much
rarer; and, to me, very interesting and impressive.

So lighten up on him. He catches some very unfair flak. I've never
seen him tell anyone that he knows how to do something, and they
don't. He's just doing it his way.

Ed,
I think ig is independently wealthy, that he scraps just for the exercise.
He should be perty buffed after that 50 ton milling station, eh? lol

--
EA



--
Ed Huntress

[Ignoramus7568]

On 2013-03-24, Existential Angst wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Mar 22, 6:15 pm, Ignoramus6048
wrote:
On 2013-03-23, wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:28?pm, jon_banquer wrote:
That would require building a skill. That's not iggy's bag. iggy is
almost totally focused on buying stuff for nothing rather than
building skills.

Buying stuff for nothing is a skill. Maybe not the same as your
skills, but a skill never the less.

Thanks.

Converting a Bridgeport milling machine to Linux is also a skill.

And yapping on forums about "having access to a friend's shop" is not
a skill.

As for single point threading, my current problem is that the spindle
has to be on brake. However, spindle brake right now is tied to
estop. It only activates when the mill is e-stopped, and deactivates
when the mill is out of estop. Fixing that requires me to spend a
considerable time writing emc2 logic statements (to interlock brake
and estop and spindle running safely). I do not have time for this
right now.

i

iggy has very few metalworking or welding skills even after many years
of posting here. He's a butcher/hack with no clues.

Gaining skills means paying your dues. iggy refuses to pay his dues
and he has no respect for others such as Precision Machinist. iggy has
kill filled Precision Machinist who, unlike Mark Wieber, refuses to
coddle and spoon feed iggy. The sad fact is that iggy can't handle
anyone who tells him the truth about his ****ed up approach to
metalworking and welding. He's on a series ego trip that for years has
prevented him from properly learning and acquiring the needed
metalworking and welding skills and it shows in almost every post iggy
makes.

Hey, Jon, knock it off. I saw what he did with his Bridgeport. This
guy looked deeply into what Bridgeport had done, and what was possible
with some modern components and his own programming skills, and did
something that would have amazed any of the commercial CNC retrofit
companies I've visited and interviewed.

Furthermore, he's gone from zero to a pretty good speed on learning
how to machine parts. He takes his own path -- he seems to be as
interested in the creative aspects of the work as in learning the
conventional wisdom. He's put a lot of work into it and he's tenacious
as hell.

He's paid his dues, but not to prepare for some conventional machining
job. He's doing his own thing and he's had some successes. Unlike many
others, he's more of an inventor than a follower, and he's not afraid
to fail.

That's not to knock conventional training. It's just different; much
rarer; and, to me, very interesting and impressive.

So lighten up on him. He catches some very unfair flak. I've never
seen him tell anyone that he knows how to do something, and they
don't. He's just doing it his way.

Ed,
I think ig is independently wealthy, that he scraps just for the exercise.
He should be perty buffed after that 50 ton milling station, eh? lol


I was pretty tired on Friday, as a matter of fact. How much that
milling machine weighs, no one yet knows. A couple of other scrappers
also thought that it weighs about 50 tons. I will keep all my scrap
receipts and will total them when we are done.

i

[John Smith[_15_]]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...
Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig.

No sense leaving money on the table.


IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

Lloyd

[Ed Huntress]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:55:50 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Mar 22, 6:15 pm, Ignoramus6048
wrote:
On 2013-03-23, wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:28?pm, jon_banquer wrote:
That would require building a skill. That's not iggy's bag. iggy is
almost totally focused on buying stuff for nothing rather than
building skills.

Buying stuff for nothing is a skill. Maybe not the same as your
skills, but a skill never the less.

Thanks.

Converting a Bridgeport milling machine to Linux is also a skill.

And yapping on forums about "having access to a friend's shop" is not
a skill.

As for single point threading, my current problem is that the spindle
has to be on brake. However, spindle brake right now is tied to
estop. It only activates when the mill is e-stopped, and deactivates
when the mill is out of estop. Fixing that requires me to spend a
considerable time writing emc2 logic statements (to interlock brake
and estop and spindle running safely). I do not have time for this
right now.

i

iggy has very few metalworking or welding skills even after many years
of posting here. He's a butcher/hack with no clues.

Gaining skills means paying your dues. iggy refuses to pay his dues
and he has no respect for others such as Precision Machinist. iggy has
kill filled Precision Machinist who, unlike Mark Wieber, refuses to
coddle and spoon feed iggy. The sad fact is that iggy can't handle
anyone who tells him the truth about his ****ed up approach to
metalworking and welding. He's on a series ego trip that for years has
prevented him from properly learning and acquiring the needed
metalworking and welding skills and it shows in almost every post iggy
makes.

Hey, Jon, knock it off. I saw what he did with his Bridgeport. This
guy looked deeply into what Bridgeport had done, and what was possible
with some modern components and his own programming skills, and did
something that would have amazed any of the commercial CNC retrofit
companies I've visited and interviewed.

Furthermore, he's gone from zero to a pretty good speed on learning
how to machine parts. He takes his own path -- he seems to be as
interested in the creative aspects of the work as in learning the
conventional wisdom. He's put a lot of work into it and he's tenacious
as hell.

He's paid his dues, but not to prepare for some conventional machining
job. He's doing his own thing and he's had some successes. Unlike many
others, he's more of an inventor than a follower, and he's not afraid
to fail.

That's not to knock conventional training. It's just different; much
rarer; and, to me, very interesting and impressive.

So lighten up on him. He catches some very unfair flak. I've never
seen him tell anyone that he knows how to do something, and they
don't. He's just doing it his way.

Ed,
I think ig is independently wealthy, that he scraps just for the exercise.
He should be perty buffed after that 50 ton milling station, eh? lol

He does appear to be doing quite well. And he's in a lot better shape
than I am -- but that's a low bar. d8-)

It took three years for my frayed Achilles tendon to heal, but finally
I can walk again without pain. I'll be in better shape this year.

--
Ed Huntress

[Larry Jaques[_4_]]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:28:30 -0500, Ignoramus7568
wrote:

On 2013-03-24, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

It is a good point, something that I spent a long time considering. A
year ago I was more worried about it, than now.

After a while of thinking, I came up with three answers.

Number one, what you say is true, but not 100% true. If the industry
"recovers", there will still be losers, mismanaged companies,
companies in the wrong niche etc. And the companies that do well will
discard obsolete equipment at a greater rate. So, some surplus
material and equipment will be still available.

Second, if I have a business that is debt free with a fair amount of
capital, with good equipment like transport and material handling
equipment, with good people etc, I may very well find something else
to do when circumstances change.

Third, even now, the industry in general is doing well, most of my
buyers tell me that they are swamped by orders, etc. And yet I stay
busy.

Fourth, because you're small and your assets are largely liquid,
you're very flexible and can be ready to change in a short amount of
time. Big companies can't do that, so they'll go down. That will
serve you well.

But I'm worried about everyone when the cull (or Obamunism) comes, if
it severs too many services and venues all at once.

--
If we can ever make red tape nutritional, we can feed the world.
--Robert Schaeberle

[Ed Huntress]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:00:23 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:28:30 -0500, Ignoramus7568
wrote:

On 2013-03-24, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

It is a good point, something that I spent a long time considering. A
year ago I was more worried about it, than now.

After a while of thinking, I came up with three answers.

Number one, what you say is true, but not 100% true. If the industry
"recovers", there will still be losers, mismanaged companies,
companies in the wrong niche etc. And the companies that do well will
discard obsolete equipment at a greater rate. So, some surplus
material and equipment will be still available.

Second, if I have a business that is debt free with a fair amount of
capital, with good equipment like transport and material handling
equipment, with good people etc, I may very well find something else
to do when circumstances change.

Third, even now, the industry in general is doing well, most of my
buyers tell me that they are swamped by orders, etc. And yet I stay
busy.

Fourth, because you're small and your assets are largely liquid,
you're very flexible and can be ready to change in a short amount of
time. Big companies can't do that, so they'll go down. That will
serve you well.

But I'm worried about everyone when the cull (or Obamunism) comes, if
it severs too many services and venues all at once.

Just buy more ammo, Larry. American made, of course. Be prepared.

It's better than wearing a locket full of garlic.

--
Ed Huntress

[jon_banquer[_2_]]

On Mar 24, 10:00*am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:28:30 -0500, Ignoramus7568









wrote:
On 2013-03-24, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
om:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.

Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. *IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

It is a good point, something that I spent a long time considering. A
year ago I was more worried about it, than now.

After a while of thinking, I came up with three answers.

Number one, what you say is true, but not 100% true. If the industry
"recovers", there will still be losers, mismanaged companies,
companies in the wrong niche etc. And the companies that do well will
discard obsolete equipment at a greater rate. So, some surplus
material and equipment will be still available.

Second, if I have a business that is debt free with a fair amount of
capital, with good equipment like transport and material handling
equipment, with good people etc, I may very well find something else
to do when circumstances change.

Third, even now, the industry in general is doing well, most of my
buyers tell me that they are swamped by orders, etc. And yet I stay
busy.

Fourth, because you're small and your assets are largely liquid,
you're very flexible and can be ready to change in a short amount of
time. *Big companies can't do that, so they'll go down. *That will
serve you well.

But I'm worried about everyone when the cull (or Obamunism) comes, if
it severs too many services and venues all at once.

--
If we can ever make red tape nutritional, we can feed the world.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --Robert Schaeberle


"But I'm worried about everyone when the cull (or Obamunism) comes, if
it severs too many services and venues all at once."


I'd be worried too if I did ****ty web design and was a "home and
garden handyman" like Larry Jackass:

http://diversifycomm.com/

http://tinyurl.com/cruzhs3

What a ****ing joke this moron is.

[RogerN]

"Ignoramus3931" wrote in message
...

My guy asked me to cut a 1mm pitch thread on a custom shaft.

I could not do it on my lathe, so I finally bit the bullet and wrote a
subroutine to do threading with my 4th axis rotary table. I use a 60
degree chamfering end mill.

Now I can cut any thread, any pitch, right or left handed, and if the
thread is very coarse, the subroutine does it in several passes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMENnIJrl9Y

I am afraid that it does not create a 100% correct thread geometry,
but I hope that I can do enough things with it to be useful with some
adjustments to diameter.

i

That's great!

I guess it would also work to make rifling guides, like 1 revolution in 9
inches or so?

RogerN

[Ignoramus7568]

On 2013-03-24, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:55:50 -0400, "Existential Angst"
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:39:41 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Mar 22, 6:15 pm, Ignoramus6048
wrote:
On 2013-03-23, wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:28?pm, jon_banquer wrote:
That would require building a skill. That's not iggy's bag. iggy is
almost totally focused on buying stuff for nothing rather than
building skills.

Buying stuff for nothing is a skill. Maybe not the same as your
skills, but a skill never the less.

Thanks.

Converting a Bridgeport milling machine to Linux is also a skill.

And yapping on forums about "having access to a friend's shop" is not
a skill.

As for single point threading, my current problem is that the spindle
has to be on brake. However, spindle brake right now is tied to
estop. It only activates when the mill is e-stopped, and deactivates
when the mill is out of estop. Fixing that requires me to spend a
considerable time writing emc2 logic statements (to interlock brake
and estop and spindle running safely). I do not have time for this
right now.

i

iggy has very few metalworking or welding skills even after many years
of posting here. He's a butcher/hack with no clues.

Gaining skills means paying your dues. iggy refuses to pay his dues
and he has no respect for others such as Precision Machinist. iggy has
kill filled Precision Machinist who, unlike Mark Wieber, refuses to
coddle and spoon feed iggy. The sad fact is that iggy can't handle
anyone who tells him the truth about his ****ed up approach to
metalworking and welding. He's on a series ego trip that for years has
prevented him from properly learning and acquiring the needed
metalworking and welding skills and it shows in almost every post iggy
makes.

Hey, Jon, knock it off. I saw what he did with his Bridgeport. This
guy looked deeply into what Bridgeport had done, and what was possible
with some modern components and his own programming skills, and did
something that would have amazed any of the commercial CNC retrofit
companies I've visited and interviewed.

Furthermore, he's gone from zero to a pretty good speed on learning
how to machine parts. He takes his own path -- he seems to be as
interested in the creative aspects of the work as in learning the
conventional wisdom. He's put a lot of work into it and he's tenacious
as hell.

He's paid his dues, but not to prepare for some conventional machining
job. He's doing his own thing and he's had some successes. Unlike many
others, he's more of an inventor than a follower, and he's not afraid
to fail.

That's not to knock conventional training. It's just different; much
rarer; and, to me, very interesting and impressive.

So lighten up on him. He catches some very unfair flak. I've never
seen him tell anyone that he knows how to do something, and they
don't. He's just doing it his way.

Ed,
I think ig is independently wealthy, that he scraps just for the exercise.
He should be perty buffed after that 50 ton milling station, eh? lol

He does appear to be doing quite well. And he's in a lot better shape
than I am -- but that's a low bar. d8-)

I am not in a super great shape, because a year ago a bandsaw fell on
my foot, it hurts in the mornings and evenings, I will go to an X ray
next week.

It took three years for my frayed Achilles tendon to heal, but finally
I can walk again without pain. I'll be in better shape this year.

I hope for the same

[Ignoramus7568]

On 2013-03-24, RogerN wrote:
"Ignoramus3931" wrote in message
...

My guy asked me to cut a 1mm pitch thread on a custom shaft.

I could not do it on my lathe, so I finally bit the bullet and wrote a
subroutine to do threading with my 4th axis rotary table. I use a 60
degree chamfering end mill.

Now I can cut any thread, any pitch, right or left handed, and if the
thread is very coarse, the subroutine does it in several passes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMENnIJrl9Y

I am afraid that it does not create a 100% correct thread geometry,
but I hope that I can do enough things with it to be useful with some
adjustments to diameter.

i

That's great!

I guess it would also work to make rifling guides, like 1 revolution in 9
inches or so?

Sure, it could not care less if the step is 1 revolition per 9 inch or
0.09 inch. It does the same thing. By default, it calculates depth
based on 60 degree thread profile, but you can specify your desired
depth.

i

[Ignoramus7568]

On 2013-03-24, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:28:30 -0500, Ignoramus7568
wrote:

On 2013-03-24, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

It is a good point, something that I spent a long time considering. A
year ago I was more worried about it, than now.

After a while of thinking, I came up with three answers.

Number one, what you say is true, but not 100% true. If the industry
"recovers", there will still be losers, mismanaged companies,
companies in the wrong niche etc. And the companies that do well will
discard obsolete equipment at a greater rate. So, some surplus
material and equipment will be still available.

Second, if I have a business that is debt free with a fair amount of
capital, with good equipment like transport and material handling
equipment, with good people etc, I may very well find something else
to do when circumstances change.

Third, even now, the industry in general is doing well, most of my
buyers tell me that they are swamped by orders, etc. And yet I stay
busy.

Fourth, because you're small and your assets are largely liquid,
you're very flexible and can be ready to change in a short amount of
time. Big companies can't do that, so they'll go down. That will
serve you well.

But I'm worried about everyone when the cull (or Obamunism) comes, if
it severs too many services and venues all at once.


What I do, may be the best business in times of big disruptions.

i

[Gunner Asch[_6_]]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:05:22 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:

Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
m:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

Lloyd


True indeed.

[Existential Angst[_2_]]

"Ignoramus28776" wrote in message
...
On 2013-03-23, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:44:15 -0400, "Wild_Bill"
wrote:

Yep. this *is* a hobbiest-type group, Ed.. and a few like Jon, poor 'ol
Gummer and a few others' hobby is berating folks.
You won't teach any of these social misfits any manners.

I'm glad that all I've learned here hasn't come from watching youtube
videos, which seems to be a major portion of Jon's background in
metalworking.

If there were fewer Jon/gummer/likes around here, there would be a lot
more
metalworking enthusiasts taking part in RCM.

Most people can find better things to do than reading bull**** posts from
hostile misfits. I'm surprised that you bother to try to explain anything
to
those who want to hear it least.

--
WB

You have a good point there, Bill. When I returned from vacation last
June and started to download posts from RCM, I stopped myself and
asked "why?" It was no fun, not very informative, and a waste of time.

So I just stayed away until I had a delay on a project this winter and
too much time on my hands. Devil's workshop, and all that. g

I think I'll just mosey along again after finishing my conversation
with RD. I don't want to cut him short again.

Thanks.


With a proper configuration of killfiles, this group becomes a small,
informative forum with very nice and interesting people.

Why thank you!
--
EA



i

[Larry Jaques[_4_]]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:37:16 -0500, Ignoramus7568
wrote:

On 2013-03-24, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:28:30 -0500, Ignoramus7568
wrote:

On 2013-03-24, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus28776 fired this volley in
:

I will just wait until I get more cheap material.


Ig, your business model only works well in an industry on the ropes.
When everyone's manufacturies are doing well, prices on raw materials
skyrocket, and 'surplus' and 'scrap' become unobtainium.

So, make hay while the sun is blocked by dark clouds, Ig. IF our
industry ever recoveres - or if the supplies of scrapped-out stuff
eventually runs dry - you'll have to teach math for a living.

It is a good point, something that I spent a long time considering. A
year ago I was more worried about it, than now.

After a while of thinking, I came up with three answers.

Number one, what you say is true, but not 100% true. If the industry
"recovers", there will still be losers, mismanaged companies,
companies in the wrong niche etc. And the companies that do well will
discard obsolete equipment at a greater rate. So, some surplus
material and equipment will be still available.

Second, if I have a business that is debt free with a fair amount of
capital, with good equipment like transport and material handling
equipment, with good people etc, I may very well find something else
to do when circumstances change.

Third, even now, the industry in general is doing well, most of my
buyers tell me that they are swamped by orders, etc. And yet I stay
busy.

Fourth, because you're small and your assets are largely liquid,
you're very flexible and can be ready to change in a short amount of
time. Big companies can't do that, so they'll go down. That will
serve you well.

But I'm worried about everyone when the cull (or Obamunism) comes, if
it severs too many services and venues all at once.


What I do, may be the best business in times of big disruptions.

Perhaps more for buying than for selling, though.

--
If we can ever make red tape nutritional, we can feed the world.
--Robert Schaeberle

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch on Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:44:15 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 17:39:49 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:28*pm, jon_banquer wrote:



That would require building a skill. That's not iggy's bag. iggy is
almost totally focused on buying stuff for nothing rather than
building skills.

Buying stuff for nothing is a skill. Maybe not the same as your
skills, but a skill never the less.


Dan

Indeed it is. Very much of a skill..and it can be a high dollar one at
that.

Yep, heard of a guy who was buying stuff for a dollar and selling
it for two dollars, sometimes three. He said it was amazing how that
one to two percent markup really added up.
I decided not to enlighten him...
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."