Gunner on Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:54:55 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:


The low end of the roof is enclosed by a rectangular piece of aluminum
that has a slot in one side that the roof goes into and runs its
length..some 65'. It works as a rain gutter. Well..it would if it
wasnt filled with dust, dirt and debris from the trees, the grape
vines and a cubic buttload of cat ****.

How the cats get up there is another thing to figure out.

Cue theme from Mission Impossible .. had friends who would let the
cat out the front door, only to have it show up on the deck wanting
in. Turns out it was clambering up the 20 foot post, weaving over an
under the joists, then a "technical climb" over the edge, and viola -
"I'm on the deck and I want in"

The other option is to check the hours on the forklift. That may
explain the high propane usage.


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Question for the gun Control advocates, "Do you agree with
this statement?"
"I would rather have a society without guns, even if it
means that people cannot defend themselves against murder
(with other weapons), rape, robbery, and assault. I would
rather make everyone defenseless than have to endure the
mass shootings that occasionally occur. If that means that
many more people, (particularly the old, the weak, and the
infirm) are subjected to these violent crimes, then so be
it. They'll just have to suffer more. I do claim the power
to dictate whether or not others are able to defend themselves."

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:54:55 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:29:48 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human
readable)" wrote:

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:00:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)"
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:34:21 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

I'd put it at the ridge where water drains away from the added
flashing. Then you need only seal around the flue pipe.

jsw

Yabbut those panels are only corrugated on 4" or 6" centers - you
can
only pull that off (sneaking through only one ridge) by making a
custom oval flue-pipe. ...
-- Bruce --

The ridge of the roof, not of a corrugation, or close enough to it
that a sheet can overlap the ridge and the upper edge of the roof
fitting.
http://www.deyparts.net/thumbnail/pr...630987/150/150
jsw

Go back and read the thread again - he's on a flat Lean-To carport
style roof on one side of a Mobilehome. There is no roof ridge
available on a flat roof (only a High and Low side) so that won't do
any good.

It's deep corrugated steel panels originally made to be the roof deck
on a commercial building, the base of any roof flashing like that has
to have the matching corrugations and nobody makes them. A flat
based flashing isn't going to work, and a custom flashing would be far
more effort (and money) than it's worth.

-- Bruce --


The low end of the roof is enclosed by a rectangular piece of aluminum
that has a slot in one side that the roof goes into and runs its
length..some 65'. It works as a rain gutter. Well..it would if it
wasnt filled with dust, dirt and debris from the trees, the grape
vines and a cubic buttload of cat ****.

How the cats get up there is another thing to figure out.

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.

--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened.

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:52:49 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner on Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:54:55 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:


The low end of the roof is enclosed by a rectangular piece of aluminum
that has a slot in one side that the roof goes into and runs its
length..some 65'. It works as a rain gutter. Well..it would if it
wasnt filled with dust, dirt and debris from the trees, the grape
vines and a cubic buttload of cat ****.

How the cats get up there is another thing to figure out.

Cue theme from Mission Impossible .. had friends who would let the
cat out the front door, only to have it show up on the deck wanting
in. Turns out it was clambering up the 20 foot post, weaving over an
under the joists, then a "technical climb" over the edge, and viola -
"I'm on the deck and I want in"

The other option is to check the hours on the forklift. That may
explain the high propane usage.

Damn! You may have something there!

Gunner, running out to pull the keys



tschus
pyotr

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:54:55 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

It works as a rain gutter. Well..it would if it
wasnt filled with dust, dirt and debris from the trees, the grape
vines and a cubic buttload of cat ****.

How the cats get up there is another thing to figure out.

You don't need to know how they get up there. You need to figure out
how cats reproduce so that the volume of cats and their **** can be
limited. Once you've gotten that far it's a simple matter to have a
vet take care of the issue. Well, it would be simple if you were
willing to get a job to pay for it like regular people. Until then
keep pretending that it's a normal part of life to have a roof filled
with cat ****.

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:54:55 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:29:48 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human
readable)" wrote:

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:00:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)"
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:34:21 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

I'd put it at the ridge where water drains away from the added
flashing. Then you need only seal around the flue pipe.

jsw

Yabbut those panels are only corrugated on 4" or 6" centers - you
can
only pull that off (sneaking through only one ridge) by making a
custom oval flue-pipe. ...
-- Bruce --

The ridge of the roof, not of a corrugation, or close enough to it
that a sheet can overlap the ridge and the upper edge of the roof
fitting.
http://www.deyparts.net/thumbnail/pr...630987/150/150
jsw

Go back and read the thread again - he's on a flat Lean-To carport
style roof on one side of a Mobilehome. There is no roof ridge
available on a flat roof (only a High and Low side) so that won't do
any good.

It's deep corrugated steel panels originally made to be the roof deck
on a commercial building, the base of any roof flashing like that has
to have the matching corrugations and nobody makes them. A flat
based flashing isn't going to work, and a custom flashing would be far
more effort (and money) than it's worth.

-- Bruce --


The low end of the roof is enclosed by a rectangular piece of aluminum
that has a slot in one side that the roof goes into and runs its
length..some 65'. It works as a rain gutter. Well..it would if it
wasnt filled with dust, dirt and debris from the trees, the grape
vines and a cubic buttload of cat ****.

How the cats get up there is another thing to figure out.

Sigh

Gunner

IIRC a standard stove pipe is 7" dia. so what you need is a length of
8" sheet metal (heavier gauge than the deck sheet) cylinder through an
opening in the deck, centerd on a rige of the profile and vertical
(not at right angles to the decking). Re-work the decking such that
water doesn't get trapped uphill from the chimney. Weld the cylinder
to the roof deck with no leaks. Pack the space between the stove pipe
and the cylinder with rock wool or similar insulation and waterproof
the top with a hand fabricated flashing. Extend your stove pipe as
high as neccessary, guy it in place, instal a screened cone rodent
proof cap and enjoy some warmth.
This far above the heater you shold be able to use galvanized ducting
which is available in longer lengths than standard black stove pipe.
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:53:52 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:54:55 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:29:48 -0800, "Bruce L. Bergman (munged human
readable)" wrote:

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:00:17 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)"
wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:34:21 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

I'd put it at the ridge where water drains away from the added
flashing. Then you need only seal around the flue pipe.

jsw

Yabbut those panels are only corrugated on 4" or 6" centers - you
can
only pull that off (sneaking through only one ridge) by making a
custom oval flue-pipe. ...
-- Bruce --

The ridge of the roof, not of a corrugation, or close enough to it
that a sheet can overlap the ridge and the upper edge of the roof
fitting.
http://www.deyparts.net/thumbnail/pr...630987/150/150
jsw

Go back and read the thread again - he's on a flat Lean-To carport
style roof on one side of a Mobilehome. There is no roof ridge
available on a flat roof (only a High and Low side) so that won't do
any good.

It's deep corrugated steel panels originally made to be the roof deck
on a commercial building, the base of any roof flashing like that has
to have the matching corrugations and nobody makes them. A flat
based flashing isn't going to work, and a custom flashing would be far
more effort (and money) than it's worth.

-- Bruce --


The low end of the roof is enclosed by a rectangular piece of aluminum
that has a slot in one side that the roof goes into and runs its
length..some 65'. It works as a rain gutter. Well..it would if it
wasnt filled with dust, dirt and debris from the trees, the grape
vines and a cubic buttload of cat ****.

How the cats get up there is another thing to figure out.

Sigh

Gunner

IIRC a standard stove pipe is 7" dia. so what you need is a length of
8" sheet metal (heavier gauge than the deck sheet) cylinder through an
opening in the deck, centerd on a rige of the profile and vertical
(not at right angles to the decking). Re-work the decking such that
water doesn't get trapped uphill from the chimney. Weld the cylinder
to the roof deck with no leaks. Pack the space between the stove pipe
and the cylinder with rock wool or similar insulation and waterproof
the top with a hand fabricated flashing. Extend your stove pipe as
high as neccessary, guy it in place, instal a screened cone rodent
proof cap and enjoy some warmth.
This far above the heater you shold be able to use galvanized ducting
which is available in longer lengths than standard black stove pipe.
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada

That welding part..is gonna be a little iffy. Its enamal clad steel (I
think) but its about .050 in thickness and there really isnt any good
way to get above it to weld on it..and Im not worth a **** at overhead
tig.

If its Aluminium..all bets are off.

But thanks for the interesting suggestions!

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

Aw, c'mon. Cats smart enough to use the anti-grav technique surely
know to come down in time to replace the bread.

--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened.

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

Aw, c'mon. Cats smart enough to use the anti-grav technique surely
know to come down in time to replace the bread.


Knowing how, and being responsible are two different things. You
know the superior attitude most cats have. They don't believe it'll ever
happen to them!

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:03:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

Aw, c'mon. Cats smart enough to use the anti-grav technique surely
know to come down in time to replace the bread.


Knowing how, and being responsible are two different things. You
know the superior attitude most cats have. They don't believe it'll ever
happen to them!

They're a lot like humans in that aspect, aren't they?

--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened.

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:03:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

Aw, c'mon. Cats smart enough to use the anti-grav technique surely
know to come down in time to replace the bread.


Knowing how, and being responsible are two different things. You
know the superior attitude most cats have. They don't believe it'll ever
happen to them!

They're a lot like humans in that aspect, aren't they?


Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:34:10 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:03:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

Aw, c'mon. Cats smart enough to use the anti-grav technique surely
know to come down in time to replace the bread.


Knowing how, and being responsible are two different things. You
know the superior attitude most cats have. They don't believe it'll ever
happen to them!

They're a lot like humans in that aspect, aren't they?


Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

No, but not for a lack of trying. Maybe you knew Cynthia?

--
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 17:36:29 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:34:10 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:03:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

Aw, c'mon. Cats smart enough to use the anti-grav technique surely
know to come down in time to replace the bread.


Knowing how, and being responsible are two different things. You
know the superior attitude most cats have. They don't believe it'll ever
happen to them!

They're a lot like humans in that aspect, aren't they?


Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

No, but not for a lack of trying. Maybe you knew Cynthia?

Reminds me of Barbara Jenkins. I finally had to teach her the joys of
doing it face down. Then she only clawed the pillows to ragged debris
rather than my back. Ive still got scars 25 yrs later




The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:34:10 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:03:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:55:15 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

They could either jump down from the tree in the front yard (near the
swamp cooler), the tree over the motor home behind the shop, or go up
the lattice next to the shop (at the south, IIRC).

There are -very- few places, inside and out, that cats -cannot- get
to. Also, if they've discovered your hiding places for the bread,
jam, and masking tape, all bets are off. They can hover to anywhere in
the world.


Only till the bread goes moldy. Then they come crashing to the
ground. ;-)

Aw, c'mon. Cats smart enough to use the anti-grav technique surely
know to come down in time to replace the bread.


Knowing how, and being responsible are two different things. You
know the superior attitude most cats have. They don't believe it'll ever
happen to them!

They're a lot like humans in that aspect, aren't they?


Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

No, but not for a lack of trying. Maybe you knew Cynthia?


Rocky would have been insulted!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!


Did you kick her out of bed?

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.


The early beetles were a bit..underpowered..but by the late
1960s....we were turning them into pretty fast and dependable little
fun cars. Lots of American kids on the Autobahns in Germany managed to
not only keep up with Herr Burgomeister..but leave him behind in a
trail of blue smoke G

Hell..Ive built and driven the **** out of a number of 1800cc and
2100cc bugs that would cruise all day at 90 mph and comfortably.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I
ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on
a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.

A Pontiac clipped the rear of my VW on the Interstate and sheared off
the fender. I changed the tire and drove home, but his front
suspension was wrecked.

Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.

The early beetles were a bit..underpowered..but by the late
1960s....we were turning them into pretty fast and dependable little
fun cars. Lots of American kids on the Autobahns in Germany managed to
not only keep up with Herr Burgomeister..but leave him behind in a
trail of blue smoke G

Hell..Ive built and driven the **** out of a number of 1800cc and
2100cc bugs that would cruise all day at 90 mph and comfortably.


It was a brand new 1966 bug. We had it less than three months, and I
never wanted to ride in one again let alone drive one.

Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message

All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I
ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on
a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.

A Pontiac clipped the rear of my VW on the Interstate and sheared off
the fender. I changed the tire and drove home, but his front
suspension was wrecked.


That Catalina was hit broadside by a Rainbow Bread truck (A full
sized stepvan), knocked sideways two lanes and didn't even get a scratch
in the new paint. I was doing 45 when the moron wandered out of his
lane & hit me hard enough to send me into the curb.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
It was a brand new 1966 bug. We had it less than three months,
and I
never wanted to ride in one again let alone drive one.

They had their strengths and weaknesses and took some time to get used
to, but they weren't nearly as challenging as touring on a motorcycle.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

+1

I was in the back of a VW micro bus going across the SF Bay bridge
when a good sized gust came side-long at us. Instantly, we were 45
degrees or more tilted and in the next lane. I've never been as
scared in my life, and have never been in another one. I hate VWs
with a passion. I don't know which is worse: the high-pitched
whistles coming from their exhaust systems, the deep thuds coming from
the heads bouncing off their jugs because their headbolts weren't
torqued, or watching their occupants pumping the brakes because they
haven't had them adjusted. I've seen more VWs on the side of the road
on fire because they fail to replace fuel lines. The good news is
that mostly liberals (and other insane people) drive them.


My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.

Atta Boy, Dad! We had a '61 Sunliner convertible so Mom didn't have
to drive the Austin Healey he autocrossed. She hated manny trannies.

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:27:01 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.


The early beetles were a bit..underpowered..but by the late
1960s....we were turning them into pretty fast and dependable little
fun cars. Lots of American kids on the Autobahns in Germany managed to
not only keep up with Herr Burgomeister..but leave him behind in a
trail of blue smoke G

Um, I think he was -not- speaking figuratively and the semi's wind
physically blew them off the road.


Hell..Ive built and driven the **** out of a number of 1800cc and
2100cc bugs that would cruise all day at 90 mph and comfortably.

But assuredly -not- safely. My '62 Corvair convertible was steady as
a rock and quieter than Mom's Lincoln at 100mph on the freeway. The
Chippie I bought it from had put a 100# bag of sand in the trunk and a
new top on it before I bought it. I purely loved that vehicle.


--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
It was a brand new 1966 bug. We had it less than three months,
and I
never wanted to ride in one again let alone drive one.

They had their strengths and weaknesses and took some time to get used
to, but they weren't nearly as challenging as touring on a motorcycle.


My dad decided he wasn't going to wait.

Larry Jaques wrote:

Um, I think he was -not- speaking figuratively and the semi's wind
physically blew them off the road.


Yes, and almost into a road construction vehicle. We missed a head
on collison by inches. It was the only time I ever heared my mother
curse.

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

+1

I was in the back of a VW micro bus going across the SF Bay bridge
when a good sized gust came side-long at us. Instantly, we were 45
degrees or more tilted and in the next lane. I've never been as
scared in my life, and have never been in another one. I hate VWs
with a passion. I don't know which is worse: the high-pitched
whistles coming from their exhaust systems, the deep thuds coming from
the heads bouncing off their jugs because their headbolts weren't
torqued, or watching their occupants pumping the brakes because they
haven't had them adjusted. I've seen more VWs on the side of the road
on fire because they fail to replace fuel lines. The good news is
that mostly liberals (and other insane people) drive them.


I had forgot about the fires. My dad did have a second VW in the
later '80s. He drove it a few weeks before the fuel line fell off and
set the thing on fire. That was before I moved to Florida, and found a
few engine parts in the barn and asked what they were for. He turned
red and told me that another VW had tried to kill him. He didn't have
much better luck with a Toyta based Dolphin RV that caught fire on him
with it sitting next to the house. he jumped in and drove it out into a
field and let it burn, while hoseing down the grass. We were too far
from town for a fire truck to get there in time to save anthing from
it. That caught fire from a defective propane water heater. Then he
found out that there was a recall on those heaters.


My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.

Atta Boy, Dad! We had a '61 Sunliner convertible so Mom didn't have
to drive the Austin Healey he autocrossed. She hated manny trannies.


That Catalina was built like a tank, and was a true Pontiac "Wide
Track". You could lay down in the trunk, and not touch either side.
You could have carried a full sized matteres in there.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:14:18 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

I had forgot about the fires. My dad did have a second VW in the
later '80s. He drove it a few weeks before the fuel line fell off and
set the thing on fire. That was before I moved to Florida, and found a
few engine parts in the barn and asked what they were for. He turned
red and told me that another VW had tried to kill him. He didn't have
much better luck with a Toyta based Dolphin RV that caught fire on him
with it sitting next to the house. he jumped in and drove it out into a
field and let it burn, while hoseing down the grass. We were too far
from town for a fire truck to get there in time to save anthing from
it. That caught fire from a defective propane water heater. Then he
found out that there was a recall on those heaters.

Did it ever occur to you that your dad was a bad karma risk and to
avoid riding with him? Man, scary scenarios! Who'd he kill in his
past lives?

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:14:18 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
? wrote:

? I had forgot about the fires. My dad did have a second VW in the
?later '80s. He drove it a few weeks before the fuel line fell off and
?set the thing on fire. That was before I moved to Florida, and found a
?few engine parts in the barn and asked what they were for. He turned
?red and told me that another VW had tried to kill him. He didn't have
?much better luck with a Toyta based Dolphin RV that caught fire on him
?with it sitting next to the house. he jumped in and drove it out into a
?field and let it burn, while hoseing down the grass. We were too far
?from town for a fire truck to get there in time to save anthing from
?it. That caught fire from a defective propane water heater. Then he
?found out that there was a recall on those heaters.

Did it ever occur to you that your dad was a bad karma risk and to
avoid riding with him? Man, scary scenarios! Who'd he kill in his
past lives?


No one that I know of, but one of my great grandfathers was a
Southern Democrat who had an interest in linens.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:12:00 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:27:01 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.


The early beetles were a bit..underpowered..but by the late
1960s....we were turning them into pretty fast and dependable little
fun cars. Lots of American kids on the Autobahns in Germany managed to
not only keep up with Herr Burgomeister..but leave him behind in a
trail of blue smoke G

Um, I think he was -not- speaking figuratively and the semi's wind
physically blew them off the road.

Not when you had it filled with American GIs on a weekend pass.

Hell..Ive built and driven the **** out of a number of 1800cc and
2100cc bugs that would cruise all day at 90 mph and comfortably.

But assuredly -not- safely. My '62 Corvair convertible was steady as
a rock and quieter than Mom's Lincoln at 100mph on the freeway. The
Chippie I bought it from had put a 100# bag of sand in the trunk and a
new top on it before I bought it. I purely loved that vehicle.

I lost a friend when he leaned forwards to grab a beer from the cooler
in the front seat and went through the floor. That Unibody
construrction in a heavily salted state killed him.

As has been mentioned...many of the "fun cars" had issues.

Gunner



The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:27:01 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.


The early beetles were a bit..underpowered..but by the late
1960s....we were turning them into pretty fast and dependable little
fun cars. Lots of American kids on the Autobahns in Germany managed to
not only keep up with Herr Burgomeister..but leave him behind in a
trail of blue smoke G

Hell..Ive built and driven the **** out of a number of 1800cc and
2100cc bugs that would cruise all day at 90 mph and comfortably.

Jan. '60, one of the guys had a 55 or 56 Beetle. Four of us were
cruising on a Sunday afternoon when the owner challenged the owner of
a healy 3000 to a run around the ice track at the community centre. We
made four laps before the Healy got all the way around - with four of
us on board, the beetle couldn't spin its tires!
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:31:30 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:27:01 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.


The early beetles were a bit..underpowered..but by the late
1960s....we were turning them into pretty fast and dependable little
fun cars. Lots of American kids on the Autobahns in Germany managed to
not only keep up with Herr Burgomeister..but leave him behind in a
trail of blue smoke G

Hell..Ive built and driven the **** out of a number of 1800cc and
2100cc bugs that would cruise all day at 90 mph and comfortably.

Jan. '60, one of the guys had a 55 or 56 Beetle. Four of us were
cruising on a Sunday afternoon when the owner challenged the owner of
a healy 3000 to a run around the ice track at the community centre. We
made four laps before the Healy got all the way around - with four of
us on board, the beetle couldn't spin its tires!
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada


Ayup! Dad was big into road rallies (Jag XKe) but he loved both the
little Renault and the VW for winter rallies. Lots of fun to be had
on the lakes in Northern Michigan in the winter. Course..you had to
bring out the snow plows a lot of the time just to find the
ice...shrug

I had a friend from California come out back in Febuary of 1970..and I
took him out past the lakes..and he asked...what do they plant in that
big field? Damn thats a big field, and I thought Michigan had a lot
of trees..is that big big flat spot where they cut the trees down?

He commented on a big truck and flatbed out in the middle of one of
the fields and he looked again..and then again...and he
said...concrete slabs? What are they doing with those big concrete
slabs out in the middle of that huge field?

He was shocked when I finally told him those flat spots were lakes and
the truck was loading slabs of Ice..until I drove him out and showed
him.

It simply was outside of his world view that those were lakes..frozen
lakes with ice many feet deep on top.

Now I know how he felt, living out here myself.

It actually Snowed today!! Well..big falling slush wads..but! It was
kinda Snow!!

And the Grapevine is still closed both ways!!

Gunner


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:50:50 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:31:30 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:27:01 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:05:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:50:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:59 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


pyotr filipivich wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

Why? Cold feet don't hurt ya...when they're dangled over your
shoulders. Hey, remember the ankle straps over the seatbacks in the
old VW bugs? Time to play "doctor", sweetie.

Been there...done that..repeatedly...Every time I see a Bug...Im told
I get a little misty eyed......sniff.....



All I remember about them was being in one when a semi blew it off
the road when I was 14. It was one of the worst peices of crap I ever
rode in.

My dad had bought it new a few months before, and traded it in on a
'63 Catalina convertible when we got home from that trip.


The early beetles were a bit..underpowered..but by the late
1960s....we were turning them into pretty fast and dependable little
fun cars. Lots of American kids on the Autobahns in Germany managed to
not only keep up with Herr Burgomeister..but leave him behind in a
trail of blue smoke G

Hell..Ive built and driven the **** out of a number of 1800cc and
2100cc bugs that would cruise all day at 90 mph and comfortably.

Jan. '60, one of the guys had a 55 or 56 Beetle. Four of us were
cruising on a Sunday afternoon when the owner challenged the owner of
a healy 3000 to a run around the ice track at the community centre. We
made four laps before the Healy got all the way around - with four of
us on board, the beetle couldn't spin its tires!
---

Gerry :-)}
London,Canada


Ayup! Dad was big into road rallies (Jag XKe) but he loved both the
little Renault and the VW for winter rallies. Lots of fun to be had
on the lakes in Northern Michigan in the winter. Course..you had to
bring out the snow plows a lot of the time just to find the
ice...shrug

I had a friend from California come out back in Febuary of 1970..and I
took him out past the lakes..and he asked...what do they plant in that
big field? Damn thats a big field, and I thought Michigan had a lot
of trees..is that big big flat spot where they cut the trees down?

He commented on a big truck and flatbed out in the middle of one of
the fields and he looked again..and then again...and he
said...concrete slabs? What are they doing with those big concrete
slabs out in the middle of that huge field?

He was shocked when I finally told him those flat spots were lakes and
the truck was loading slabs of Ice..until I drove him out and showed
him.

It simply was outside of his world view that those were lakes..frozen
lakes with ice many feet deep on top.

Now I know how he felt, living out here myself.

It actually Snowed today!! Well..big falling slush wads..but! It was
kinda Snow!!

And the Grapevine is still closed both ways!!

Gunner


Speaking of snow..ice and disaster../

I found this quite interesting

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/il...le-man-drowns/

Feel free to forward it along.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:13:07 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .

Ayup! Dad was big into road rallies (Jag XKe) but he loved both the
little Renault and the VW for winter rallies. Lots of fun to be had
on the lakes in Northern Michigan in the winter. Course..you had to
bring out the snow plows a lot of the time just to find the
ice...shrug


In the 70's before front and four wheel drive were common an ice storm
would close the roads to traffic and the police, and open them for
play to the Beetles, Rabbits and Saabs with studded tires, and my
buddy and I on dirt bikes. I stopped driving down snowmobile trails
after they complained they couldn't steer because of the VW and bike
tire ruts.

Ayup! And you really could get some distance with that flat underbody
of the VW...nothing sticking out except for the 4 wheels. and when
you hit a snow drift..they would plane like a toboggan.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:50:50 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

I had a friend from California come out back in Febuary of 1970..and I
took him out past the lakes..and he asked...what do they plant in that
big field? Damn thats a big field, and I thought Michigan had a lot
of trees..is that big big flat spot where they cut the trees down?

He commented on a big truck and flatbed out in the middle of one of
the fields and he looked again..and then again...and he
said...concrete slabs? What are they doing with those big concrete
slabs out in the middle of that huge field?

He was shocked when I finally told him those flat spots were lakes and
the truck was loading slabs of Ice..until I drove him out and showed
him.

It simply was outside of his world view that those were lakes..frozen
lakes with ice many feet deep on top.

Now I know how he felt, living out here myself.

That's wild!


It actually Snowed today!! Well..big falling slush wads..but! It was
kinda Snow!!

Hey, you must have been hit by the same front that hit us yesterday.
We had 1" x 1.75" clusters of snowflakyslushycrap. It dropped about
an inch and made everything white, but rain later in the day melted it
all. Thankfully.


And the Grapevine is still closed both ways!!

It's a good thing you have no work. (Oh, wait...)

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:32:53 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:13:07 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..

Ayup! Dad was big into road rallies (Jag XKe) but he loved both the
little Renault and the VW for winter rallies. Lots of fun to be had
on the lakes in Northern Michigan in the winter. Course..you had to
bring out the snow plows a lot of the time just to find the
ice...shrug


In the 70's before front and four wheel drive were common an ice storm
would close the roads to traffic and the police, and open them for
play to the Beetles, Rabbits and Saabs with studded tires, and my
buddy and I on dirt bikes. I stopped driving down snowmobile trails
after they complained they couldn't steer because of the VW and bike
tire ruts.

Ayup! And you really could get some distance with that flat underbody
of the VW...nothing sticking out except for the 4 wheels. and when
you hit a snow drift..they would plane like a toboggan.

I took my Corvair skiing once.

It had been raining in Vista for a few days before. I took the
shortcut back from the Carlsbad Raceway, hauling a friend and his
girlfriend (Miss Del Mar or some similar title.) As I came over a
rise, I saw the little creek had turned into a 40' wide lake. There
wasn't time to stop, so I gassed it and skidded the flat pan over the
water, just to the other edge. Phil got out and picked up his
girlfriend, only to fall backwards into the pool with her on his lap.
He pushed me about 6" farther through the muddy bottom and I got
traction and was able to drive out. Miss Del Mar had a brown bottom,
something which cracked Phil and me up but left her a bit miffed. That
was an adventure. I'm glad I had time to somewhat react. In a regular
car, I'd have sunk in immediately. I was happy the Corvair had
naugahyde seats, too. That was some sticky mud.

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

No, I have faith that Gunner can figure out how to put a chimney hole
in a galvanized iron roof.


Snip


This is the ceiling Im having to deal with. Its not quite...galvanized
iron roofing. If it were..Id simply cut a hole..run up the pipe and
then put a plate and then foam under it. This has 4" deep/ square
corregations.



If you haven't already gone through the wall or roof how about -

http://www.mobilehomerepair.com/NordyneChimneys.php

You could seal with a can of insulation foam covered with asphalt emulsion.
Standard wet patch might droop when it gets hot.

Once again - I know these are designed for furnace, not a woodstove, but if
you find one on an old mobile home it might get you through the next couple
of winters.

This one looks very very easy to make

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...lacH1hlWg&NR=1



While you're at Home Depot for the roof patch.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2025312...8#.UPF41PI_euI

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2020241...2#.UPF4-PI_euI

meld these two together.

"Michael A. Terrell" on Wed, 09 Jan 2013
17:30:59 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Has a human ever sunk four sets of claws into you while you were
alseep?

Two sets, and occasionally cold hands or feet!

Did you kick her out of bed?

I may on occasion pass for crazy, but I'm not that kind of crazy.
Or stupid.
There was that winter when ... well never mind.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."