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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:30:20 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
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On Jul 13, 6:15 pm, BQ340 wrote:
On 7/13/2011 6:11 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:





id wrote in message
m...
Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...UboR9xO3bjAhN7...

i

I wouldn't. The base is too narrow and even bolting it down to a piece
of
steel still leaves one side in tension, if you bump the vehicle at all.
That's not for me.

If it has a rack and a positive lock for the rack, and I mean POSITIVE,
I
would accept that, but not the narrow base.

If you're going to work under cars and trucks, you really want some
broad-base, really solid standing jacks. They're a lifetime investment.
Mine
are 45 years old.

I second that, as you only get one chance. I use a hydraulic jack backed
up by 2 jackstands & wheel chock plus if I have to take a tire off, that
goes under the frame as well. I had a friend mangle his hand due to a
jack slipping, so I am very paranoid. Torquing on bolts rock a car
around...

MikeB

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I have seen so many hydraulic jacks blow their seals I have lost
count.

I remember one which had a car up on it...I was walking past it when
*BANG* the car hit the ground.

The seal on the jack had just blown.

If someone had been under it..they would have been DEAD.

It happened in less than a second..no time to react.

Except for me to jump when the car hit the ground.

TMT
My brother had a hydraulic HOIST come down - a two-poster. just about
dumped the mini-bus off, while he was working on it.

==================

Obsolete hoist?

What happened to the safety standards with the MoL?

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Eric

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

On Jul 14, 8:25Â*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Jul 14, 8:04Â*am, Ignoramus23641 ignoramus23...@NOSPAM.

23641.invalid wrote:
Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...UboR9xO3bjAhN7...

i

Iggy, I sometimes wonder about you. You propose some strange,
dangerous things, seemingly unaware of the blatantly obvious. The
Traditional, devil-may-care vehicle support here is piles of bricks
stacked up - blocks of wood if available too - Â*works OK, sort of. And
I think it would work better than whatever it is in the picture you
linked too. If you thought about it real hard, you could probably
wedge it in there somewhere, after you do the bricks. Remember, put
the bricks down with the right side up.

Andrew VK3BFA.

"Blatantly obvious" is only obvious to those of us with previous
experience.

In Ig's past, using one jack may be a very acceptable..and very
dangerous..practice.

If it works, you live another day..if it does not..well dead men don't
talk.

When I grew up, we used gasoline to wash parts...only much later did I
find out how freaking dangerous it is.

I think quite highly of Ig...when he doesn't know..he asks.

That is a sign of an inquistive and inquiring mind...something I
highly admire.

TMT
Nothing more dangerous than a man who doesn't know he doesn't know!!!!

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On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:04:00 -0500, Ignoramus23641
wrote:

Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

i
No.

==================

Absolutely, provided it has the current safety standard latches working. To
unlatch the safeties the hoist has to be working on all lifts firsts.

Any that endanger workers should not be in use. These were outlawed in most
places, not in third world locations.


--

Eric

Gerald Miller wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:07:12 -0700,
wrote:

(...)

OH! And another thing.
The Race Ramps stay put on an inclined driveway!
Exciting times when one steel ramp would squirt
forward from under the car. I actually had to peg them
into the driveway to prevent that. Feh.

--Winston
unfortunately, I need a 12" length of 2x4 to get my Toy Car onto my
ramps, but I only do that about once every ten years.

Bummer, Gerry....

May that be the worst thing you ever experience.

--Winston

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Gerald wrote in message
news

(...)

unfortunately, I need a 12" length of 2x4 to get my Toy Car onto my
ramps,....

Same here, for my Hyundai Sonata. My Ford Focus goes right up. So, I have
two short lengths of 2x4 stored with my ramps.

Winston's ramps are looking awfully good, though.

You *know* you want'em.

--Winston

"Winston" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Gerald wrote in message
news

(...)

unfortunately, I need a 12" length of 2x4 to get my Toy Car onto my
ramps,....

Same here, for my Hyundai Sonata. My Ford Focus goes right up. So, I have
two short lengths of 2x4 stored with my ramps.

Winston's ramps are looking awfully good, though.

You *know* you want'em.

Not nearly as much as I want some of the contents of SI's Swimsuit Issue.

It's all priorities. For example, do I want a better way to lay on my back
and change oil and filters in my cars, which, being the original cheapskate,
I always do myself? Do I want it $200 worth? Yes, and no. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Jul 15, 2:19*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jul 14, 8:25*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:









On Jul 14, 8:04*am, Ignoramus23641 ignoramus23...@NOSPAM.

23641.invalid wrote:
Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...UboR9xO3bjAhN7....

i

Iggy, I sometimes wonder about you. You propose some strange,
dangerous things, seemingly unaware of the blatantly obvious. The
Traditional, devil-may-care vehicle support here is piles of bricks
stacked up - blocks of wood if available too - *works OK, sort of. And
I think it would work better than whatever it is in the picture you
linked too. If you thought about it real hard, you could probably
wedge it in there somewhere, after you do the bricks. Remember, put
the bricks down with the right side up.

Andrew VK3BFA.

"Blatantly obvious" is only obvious to those of us with previous
experience.

In Ig's past, using one jack may be a very acceptable..and very
dangerous..practice.

If it works, you live another day..if it does not..well dead men don't
talk.

When I grew up, we used gasoline to wash parts...only much later did I
find out how freaking dangerous it is.

I think quite highly of Ig...when he doesn't know..he asks.

That is a sign of an inquistive and inquiring mind...something I
highly admire.

TMT
And, yes, whats obvious to one person is invisible to another - I had
forgotten that, sorry.
And your quite correct TMT - an inquiring mind is a fine thing. But
some things - well, I do wonder. Iggy, I really wish you well, you
have an enthusiasm thats admirable, you get a lot of things done -
hope you are doing something about your back as well, hows it going?
And Iggy - was it you that did his training back in the old USSR? -
trade training, so hazard awareness should have been beaten into you.
Even in Russia.

And, TMT - as an aside, I own an American made washing machine (its
better quality and build than anything local, fantastic bit of
production engineering- massively over-engineered in all the important
bits) and its got a sign on the lid saying "do not put hands into
moving machine." - so, I guess your legislators have decided that for
some people the blatantly obvious is not apparent. You are lucky to
have such people running the country.

Andrew VK3BFA.

Ignoramus23641 wrote:

Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

NO. I dropped a car off a hydraulic jack once, and it almost landed on me.

Maybe if you chocked the wheels that are still on the ground, but you
really should use a jack stand that won't tip over.

Good Luck!
Rich

Gerald Miller on Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:19:46 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:25:02 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Ignoramus23641 on Wed, 13 Jul
2011 17:04:00 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink


Safer than what?

The problem with jacks is that they are meant to move, under a
load, and lower vehicles. Mechanical jacks are _less_ likely to do
that than a hydraulic jack, if only because there is less possibility
of a seal failing.
First jack I ever bought consisted of a 4 inch square base plate with
a dimple in the centre, a 30inch length of 3/4" acme threaded rod, a
hook shaped nut to engage the bumper and an "L" shaped rod to fit the
hole in the upper end of thet threaded rod. Greatest gadget for
getting the car to move sidewise from a stuck position in soft ground,
just pick up the end of the car and push side.ways. Of course you
needed a couple people to steady the car until it was time to move it
sideways

LOLA.

Oh yes.

I had two touring busses almost land on me. The first time the
supporting wooden blocks shifted and it only "fell off the jack".
Second time, the jack stand transferred the weight of the buss to one
cobble stone, which then "sank". I heard the creak and rolled out
from under it, just as it dropped. Happened so fast, I didn't even
have time to get scared.


tschus
pyotr



Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:


(...)

Winston's ramps are looking awfully good, though.

You *know* you want'em.

Not nearly as much as I want some of the contents of SI's Swimsuit Issue.

(Giggle!)

It's all priorities. For example, do I want a better way to lay on my back
and change oil and filters in my cars, which, being the original cheapskate,
I always do myself? Do I want it $200 worth? Yes, and no. d8-)

Only 167 shopping days till Christmas.



--Winston

pyotr filipivich wrote:

(...)

I had two touring busses almost land on me. The first time the
supporting wooden blocks shifted and it only "fell off the jack".
Second time, the jack stand transferred the weight of the buss to one
cobble stone, which then "sank". I heard the creak and rolled out
from under it, just as it dropped. Happened so fast, I didn't even
have time to get scared.

_Bus-ercize_ the instant way to a thinner you!

--Winston

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:48:44 -0700, Winston
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

(...)

I had two touring busses almost land on me. The first time the
supporting wooden blocks shifted and it only "fell off the jack".
Second time, the jack stand transferred the weight of the buss to one
cobble stone, which then "sank". I heard the creak and rolled out
from under it, just as it dropped. Happened so fast, I didn't even
have time to get scared.

_Bus-ercize_ the instant way to a thinner you!

The -=_Bus-ercize Weight Loss System_=-

Just jack up that bus, climb on your creeper, and roll under. When you
hear the creak, grab the outer edge of the frame and push the bus off
yourself. If the bus doesn't go shooting off above you, your creeper
will have gone shooting off out from under it (the more likely
situation.) You'll be shaking so badly that you'll skip a meal or
three.

--
Learning to ignore things is one of the great paths to inner peace.
-- Robert J. Sawyer

On Jul 14, 11:00*pm, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
...
And, TMT - as an aside, I own an American made washing machine (its
better quality and build than anything local, fantastic bit of
production engineering- massively over-engineered in all the important
bits) and its got a sign on the lid saying "do not put hands into
moving machine." - so, I guess your legislators have decided that for
some people the blatantly obvious is not apparent. You are lucky to
have such people running the country.

Andrew VK3BFA.

I have a tube of bandsaw blade lube that warns not to apply it to
moving blades. If someone can sue because the burgers they bought made
them fat, anything's possible.

Just imagine if the police, fire and military had to obey OSHA.

jsw

"Ed Huntress" writes:


I built my first set out of wood. Strong, with a big stop at the end, but
they weighed maybe 50 pounds each. d8-)

We have the Dead Forest at my friend's shop.
Layered 2x8's, al-la:


[+]
[++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++]
[++++] [++++] [++++]
[++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++]
[++++] [++++] [++++]
[++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++]
[++++] [++++] [++++]
[++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++]

There are three 8 ft. sections; the center is as above. The
right end section is tapered down to drive up & interlocks; the
top addition is also tapered but the lefthand end is level from
4 ft. in.

The end stop has pegs, and when you use the top

Heavy and hard to store but VERY solid.

We'd love to get a twinpost lift, and have looked at them; but
this is a one-car garage.....with a car in it.

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writes:

My brother had a hydraulic HOIST come down - a two-poster. just about
dumped the mini-bus off, while he was working on it.

A friend was almost killed by one; it was a MaBell garage
where he rebuilt automatic transmissions in their trucks.

The lift start sinking and being blind, he did not notice it.
A cow orker yelled out and he got out OK.

After that, he learned where the safety lock was located...
--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

My brother was almost hit by a tractor trailer truck walking across the
road. Now he takes the blindfold off before leaving the curb.

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"Rich Grise" wrote in message ...

Ignoramus23641 wrote:

Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

NO. I dropped a car off a hydraulic jack once, and it almost landed on me.

Maybe if you chocked the wheels that are still on the ground, but you
really should use a jack stand that won't tip over.

Good Luck!
Rich

Josepi wrote:

My brother was almost hit by a tractor trailer truck walking across the
road. Now he takes the blindfold off before leaving the curb.

That must have really been something to see! I didn't even know tractor
trailer trucks could walk!!!!!!!

Was it in his pajamas?
;-D

Cheers!
Rich

Roads are really dangerous and people should stop using them.

Damn! That nested posting is garbage and easy to confuse. I can't remember
what I posted anymore. Ohhhh.. you are running one of those imported
readers. That explains it.
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"Rich Grise" wrote in message ...

That must have really been something to see! I didn't even know tractor
trailer trucks could walk!!!!!!!

Was it in his pajamas?
;-D

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Josepi wrote:
My brother was almost hit by a tractor trailer truck walking across the
road. Now he takes the blindfold off before leaving the curb.

Cheers!
Rich

On Jul 15, 7:49*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
Josepi wrote:
My brother was almost hit by a tractor trailer truck walking across the
road. Now he takes the blindfold off before leaving the curb.

That must have really been something to see! I didn't even know tractor
trailer trucks could walk!!!!!!!

Was it in his pajamas?
;-D
Rich

At least he isn't chicken.

A blind man repairing transmissions? That's a talent!

I tried to send an email to
but it came back
undeliverable.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"David Lesher" wrote in message
...


A friend was almost killed by one; it was a MaBell garage
where he rebuilt automatic transmissions in their trucks.

The lift start sinking and being blind, he did not notice
it.
A cow orker yelled out and he got out OK.

After that, he learned where the safety lock was located...
--
A host is a host from coast to

& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301)
56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't
close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or
dead....................................20915-1433

What makes me wonder. How could the tractor trailer walk, if
the tractor was blindfolded?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Josepi wrote:

My brother was almost hit by a tractor trailer truck
walking across the
road. Now he takes the blindfold off before leaving the
curb.

That must have really been something to see! I didn't even
know tractor
trailer trucks could walk!!!!!!!

Was it in his pajamas?
;-D

Cheers!
Rich

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:08:59 -0400
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

big snip
I built my first set out of wood. Strong, with a big stop at the end, but
they weighed maybe 50 pounds each. d8-)

Now I use a substantial pair made out of steel. They're not as nice as
yours.

My Dad made these ~35 years ago:

http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/ramp2.jpg

They work great, not too heavy and rock solid. You may not see it too
well in the image but they are made like a sandwich. Areas in the center
are open, go clear through.

I've had everything from heavy 4x4 trucks to little foreign puddle
jumpers run up on them...

If anyone tries copying them, I would recommend slightly beveling the
sharp corners a bit where you see it contacts the floor when first
jammed under the tire. Only other gotcha was if the tires and/or ramp
is damp or wet when trying to drive on. Most notably with a
front-wheel drive.

Old friend of mine had a set of two piece ramps. They were really nice
too and I sometimes borrowed them to use along with ours. Then I could
put both the front and back up at the same time. His had removable
ramps so that portion could be moved out of the way while working on
the vehicle. That could be done/added to our design too without a great
deal of difficulty.


--
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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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"Leon Fisk" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:08:59 -0400
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

big snip
I built my first set out of wood. Strong, with a big stop at the end, but
they weighed maybe 50 pounds each. d8-)

Now I use a substantial pair made out of steel. They're not as nice as
yours.

My Dad made these ~35 years ago:

http://www.iserv.net/~lfisk/ramp2.jpg

Nice. They look solid.


They work great, not too heavy and rock solid. You may not see it too
well in the image but they are made like a sandwich. Areas in the center
are open, go clear through.

I've had everything from heavy 4x4 trucks to little foreign puddle
jumpers run up on them...

If anyone tries copying them, I would recommend slightly beveling the
sharp corners a bit where you see it contacts the floor when first
jammed under the tire. Only other gotcha was if the tires and/or ramp
is damp or wet when trying to drive on. Most notably with a
front-wheel drive.

Old friend of mine had a set of two piece ramps. They were really nice
too and I sometimes borrowed them to use along with ours. Then I could
put both the front and back up at the same time. His had removable
ramps so that portion could be moved out of the way while working on
the vehicle. That could be done/added to our design too without a great
deal of difficulty.


--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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"Stormin Mormon" writes:

A blind man repairing transmissions? That's a talent!

Yes it is. He rebuilt transmissions there for years but got
disgusted and quit. I was in engineering school with him.

I tried to send an email to but it came back
undeliverable.

I wish the spammers got that result; I get mail there every
hour.
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A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:18:03 -0400, "Eric"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:30:20 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

On Jul 13, 6:15 pm, BQ340 wrote:
On 7/13/2011 6:11 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:





id wrote in message
m...
Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...UboR9xO3bjAhN7...

i

I wouldn't. The base is too narrow and even bolting it down to a piece
of
steel still leaves one side in tension, if you bump the vehicle at all.
That's not for me.

If it has a rack and a positive lock for the rack, and I mean POSITIVE,
I
would accept that, but not the narrow base.

If you're going to work under cars and trucks, you really want some
broad-base, really solid standing jacks. They're a lifetime investment.
Mine
are 45 years old.

I second that, as you only get one chance. I use a hydraulic jack backed
up by 2 jackstands & wheel chock plus if I have to take a tire off, that
goes under the frame as well. I had a friend mangle his hand due to a
jack slipping, so I am very paranoid. Torquing on bolts rock a car
around...

MikeB

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I have seen so many hydraulic jacks blow their seals I have lost
count.

I remember one which had a car up on it...I was walking past it when
*BANG* the car hit the ground.

The seal on the jack had just blown.

If someone had been under it..they would have been DEAD.

It happened in less than a second..no time to react.

Except for me to jump when the car hit the ground.

TMT
My brother had a hydraulic HOIST come down - a two-poster. just about
dumped the mini-bus off, while he was working on it.

==================

Obsolete hoist?

What happened to the safety standards with the MoL?
No, the hoist was under inspection at the time. (had valid
inspection).

MOL did not get involved as there was no injury.
Needless to say, ALL the hoists were re-inspected - more stringently
than required by law. Not sure if any defects were found on the rest,
but that hoist had to be completely re-done.

Winston on Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:48:44 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

(...)

I had two touring busses almost land on me. The first time the
supporting wooden blocks shifted and it only "fell off the jack".
Second time, the jack stand transferred the weight of the buss to one
cobble stone, which then "sank". I heard the creak and rolled out
from under it, just as it dropped. Happened so fast, I didn't even
have time to get scared.

_Bus-ercize_ the instant way to a thinner you!

In those days, I was so skinny I had to run around in the shower
to get wet.
After that "exercise routine", I was much more careful. I figured
I'd had about as much of such excitement as I could stand for one
lifetime.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

That would have been...


Battered chicken

--------

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
At least he isn't chicken.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

In those days, I was so skinny I had to run around in the shower
to get wet.
After that "exercise routine", I was much more careful. I figured
I'd had about as much of such excitement as I could stand for one
lifetime.

I hear ya.

But what would you have done differently?

Braced the blocks against shifting, somehow?
Use a steel plate under the jack stand to spread the
weight over many cobblestones?

Get an MBA and be an accountant rather than a wrench?

--Winston

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On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:18:03 -0400, "Eric"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:30:20 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

On Jul 13, 6:15 pm, BQ340 wrote:
On 7/13/2011 6:11 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:





id wrote in
message
m...
Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a
mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...UboR9xO3bjAhN7...

i

I wouldn't. The base is too narrow and even bolting it down to a piece
of
steel still leaves one side in tension, if you bump the vehicle at
all.
That's not for me.

If it has a rack and a positive lock for the rack, and I mean
POSITIVE,
I
would accept that, but not the narrow base.

If you're going to work under cars and trucks, you really want some
broad-base, really solid standing jacks. They're a lifetime
investment.
Mine
are 45 years old.

I second that, as you only get one chance. I use a hydraulic jack backed
up by 2 jackstands & wheel chock plus if I have to take a tire off, that
goes under the frame as well. I had a friend mangle his hand due to a
jack slipping, so I am very paranoid. Torquing on bolts rock a car
around...

MikeB

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I have seen so many hydraulic jacks blow their seals I have lost
count.

I remember one which had a car up on it...I was walking past it when
*BANG* the car hit the ground.

The seal on the jack had just blown.

If someone had been under it..they would have been DEAD.

It happened in less than a second..no time to react.

Except for me to jump when the car hit the ground.

TMT
My brother had a hydraulic HOIST come down - a two-poster. just about
dumped the mini-bus off, while he was working on it.

==================

Obsolete hoist?

What happened to the safety standards with the MoL?
No, the hoist was under inspection at the time. (had valid
inspection).

MOL did not get involved as there was no injury.
Needless to say, ALL the hoists were re-inspected - more stringently
than required by law. Not sure if any defects were found on the rest,
but that hoist had to be completely re-done.

===========

I have zero experience with hoists except that all the ones I have seen for
the last 10-15 years have foolproof latches on them that do not permit a
hoist to fall, period. This didn't used to be the case years back. MoL
specifies the rules in the workplace, accident or not.

--

Eric

On Jul 17, 11:49*pm, "Eric" wrote:
...
I have zero experience with hoists except that all the ones I have seen for
the last 10-15 years have foolproof latches on them that do not permit a
hoist to fall, period. ...
Eric-

"Foolproof" means you haven't yet stumbled into the right fool.

The easier a machine is to operate, the dumber the operator they'll
hire. I watched a UAW girl load and start an antilock brake test stand
I had built. Her nose was buried in a Barbara Cartland romance novel
and she never looked away from it.

jsw

I guess you're the blind one, here. You need to put some
spaces before your email adress, because
isn't clickable. I've
been hinting at that, several times, and you're not getting
the hint.

In the quoted text, you misquoted me, and so I changed it
back.

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"David Lesher" wrote in message
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"Stormin Mormon"
writes:

A blind man repairing transmissions? That's a talent!

Yes it is. He rebuilt transmissions there for years but got
disgusted and quit. I was in engineering school with him.

I tried to send an email to

but it came back
undeliverable.

I wish the spammers got that result; I get mail there every
hour.
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 11:49 pm, "Eric" wrote:
...
I have zero experience with hoists except that all the ones I have seen
for
the last 10-15 years have foolproof latches on them that do not permit a
hoist to fall, period. ...
Eric-

"Foolproof" means you haven't yet stumbled into the right fool.

The easier a machine is to operate, the dumber the operator they'll
hire. I watched a UAW girl load and start an antilock brake test stand
I had built. Her nose was buried in a Barbara Cartland romance novel
and she never looked away from it.

jsw

===================
Classic! Ya' got to love it!

I wrote some games on a machine in the old days (70s) for my young kids to
play and thought I had bulletproofed same for any contingency that could
arise. My oldest went first (about 4-5 yoa) and first thing he pressed was
the big red reset button!

Now he runs around most of the continents pushing everybody else's buttons
with his software but it just shows to go ya' there is always another angle.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 23:49:39 -0400, "Eric"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:18:03 -0400, "Eric"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:30:20 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote:

On Jul 13, 6:15 pm, BQ340 wrote:
On 7/13/2011 6:11 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:





id wrote in
message
m...
Would it be safe to work under a jacked vehicle, if I use a
mechanical
jack like this:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...UboR9xO3bjAhN7...

i

I wouldn't. The base is too narrow and even bolting it down to a piece
of
steel still leaves one side in tension, if you bump the vehicle at
all.
That's not for me.

If it has a rack and a positive lock for the rack, and I mean
POSITIVE,
I
would accept that, but not the narrow base.

If you're going to work under cars and trucks, you really want some
broad-base, really solid standing jacks. They're a lifetime
investment.
Mine
are 45 years old.

I second that, as you only get one chance. I use a hydraulic jack backed
up by 2 jackstands & wheel chock plus if I have to take a tire off, that
goes under the frame as well. I had a friend mangle his hand due to a
jack slipping, so I am very paranoid. Torquing on bolts rock a car
around...

MikeB

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Email is valid but not checked often- Hide quoted text -

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I have seen so many hydraulic jacks blow their seals I have lost
count.

I remember one which had a car up on it...I was walking past it when
*BANG* the car hit the ground.

The seal on the jack had just blown.

If someone had been under it..they would have been DEAD.

It happened in less than a second..no time to react.

Except for me to jump when the car hit the ground.

TMT
My brother had a hydraulic HOIST come down - a two-poster. just about
dumped the mini-bus off, while he was working on it.

==================

Obsolete hoist?

What happened to the safety standards with the MoL?
No, the hoist was under inspection at the time. (had valid
inspection).

MOL did not get involved as there was no injury.
Needless to say, ALL the hoists were re-inspected - more stringently
than required by law. Not sure if any defects were found on the rest,
but that hoist had to be completely re-done.

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I have zero experience with hoists except that all the ones I have seen for
the last 10-15 years have foolproof latches on them that do not permit a
hoist to fall, period. This didn't used to be the case years back. MoL
specifies the rules in the workplace, accident or not.
They specify the rules, but do not (necessarily) investigate if no
injury occurs.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

I guess you're the blind one, here. You need to put some
spaces before your email adress, because
isn't clickable. I've
been hinting at that, several times, and you're not getting
the hint.


Why don't you get a clue, rather than post stupid complaints? That is
part of his 'Sig File' and it isn't meant to be a clickable link. Look
at the top of the message at the from: line. THAT IS WHERE YOU CLICK TO
REPLY. If that doesn't match what you saw below, then copy the bottom
address and paste it into your email client. I swear that people are
getting dumber all the time. They need to make people pass an aptitude
test before they let them get on line.


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