http://www.aurorasentinel.com/opinio...tml?mode=story

Obama is a victim of Bush's failed promises
By CHUCK GREEN

Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his
first year in office.

Largest budget ever.
Largest deficit ever.
Largest number of broken promises ever.
Most self-serving speeches ever.
Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever.
Fastest dive in popularity ever.


Wow. Talk about change.

Just one year ago, fresh from his inauguration celebrations, President
Obama was flying high. After one of the nation’s most inspiring
political campaigns, the election of America’s first black president had
captured the hopes and dreams of millions. To his devout followers, it
was inconceivable that a year later his administration would be gripped
in self-imposed crisis.

Of course, they don’t see it as self imposed. It’s all George Bush’s fault.

George Bush, who doesn’t have a vote in Congress and who no longer
occupies the White House, is to blame for it all.

He broke Obama’s promise to put all bills on the White House web site
for five days before signing them.

He broke Obama’s promise to have the congressional health care
negotiations broadcast live on C-SPAN.

He broke Obama’s promise to end earmarks.

He broke Obama’s promise to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.

He broke Obama’s promise to close the detention center at Guantanamo in
the first year.

He broke Obama’s promise to make peace with direct, no pre-condition
talks with America’s most hate-filled enemies during his first year in
office, ushering in a new era of global cooperation.

He broke Obama’s promise to end the hiring of former lobbyists into high
White House jobs.

He broke Obama’s promise to end no-compete contracts with the government.

He broke Obama’s promise to disclose the names of all attendees at
closed White House meetings.

He broke Obama’s promise for a new era of bipartisan cooperation in all
matters.

He broke Obama’s promise to have chosen a home church to attend Sunday
services with his family by Easter of last year.

Yes, it’s all George Bush’s fault. President Obama is nothing more than
a puppet in the never-ending, failed Bush administration.

If only George Bush wasn’t still in charge, all of President Obama’s
problems would be solved. His promises would have been kept, the economy
would be back on track, Iran would have stopped its work on developing a
nuclear bomb and would be negotiating a peace treaty with Israel, North
Korea would have ended its tyrannical regime, and integrity would have
been restored to the federal government.

Oh, and did I mention what it would be like if the Democrats, under the
leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, didn’t have the heavy yoke of
George Bush around their necks. There would be no earmarks, no
closed-door drafting of bills, no increase in deficit spending, no
special-interest influence (unions), no vote buying (Nebraska, Louisiana).

If only George Bush wasn’t still in charge, we’d have real change by now.

All the broken promises, all the failed legislation and delay (health
care reform, immigration reform) is not President Obama’s fault or the
fault of the Democrat-controlled Congress. It’s all George Bush’s fault.

Take for example the decision of Eric Holder, the president’s attorney
general, to hold terrorists’ trials in New York City. Or his decision to
try the Christmas Day underpants bomber as a civilian.

Two disastrous decisions.

Certainly those were bad judgments based on poor advice from George Bush.

Need more proof?

You might recall that when Scott Brown won last month’s election to the
U.S. Senate from Massachusetts, capturing “the Ted Kennedy seat,”
President Obama said that Brown’s victory was the result of the same
voter anger that propelled Obama into office in 2008. People were still
angry about George Bush and the policies of the past 10 years, and they
wanted change.

Yes, according to the president, the voter rebellion in Massachusetts
last month was George Bush’s fault.

Therefore, in retaliation, they elected a Republican to the Ted Kennedy
seat, ending a half-century of domination by Democrats.

It is all George Bush’s fault.

Will the failed administration of George Bush ever end, and the time for
hope and change ever arrive?

Will President Obama ever accept responsibility for something — anything?

Chuck Green, veteran Colorado journalist and former editor-in-chief of
The Denver Post, syndicates a statewide column and is at

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:59:01 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/opinio...tml?mode=story

Obama is a victim of Bush's failed promises
By CHUCK GREEN

Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his
first year in office.

Largest budget ever.
Largest deficit ever.
Largest number of broken promises ever.
Most self-serving speeches ever.
Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever.
Fastest dive in popularity ever.
snip
Mr. Green writes well, but because he does not
speak/understand the special dialect/patois of English
called "Politicianese" he has misidentified the foundational
problem, which is that the politicians [there are more of
them in the corporate world than in Washington] live in an
alien [to normal people who are the vast majority]
weltanschauung/valence where there are no givens or
certainties, but everything is conditional, tentative, and
provisional.

One of the premiere business analysts and industrial
sociologists of our time, Rosabeth Moss Kantor, has done
extensive research on this point, and devotes a chapter in
her book _Men and Women of the Corporation_ to this
situation. This book is highly recommended if you want to
see how and why things have gone so wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=rdr_ext_...0Moss%20Kanter

http://drfd.hbs.edu/fit/public/facul...acEmId=rkanter

While the politicians' language appears to be the common
vernacular [i.e. American English], the extreme differences
in weltanschauung/valence make any sort of meaningful
relationship or communication between the "politicians" and
the vast majority of [normal] people very difficult.
Indeed, on a personal level this appears to account for the
very high levels of divorce, and dysfunctional families,
evidenced by top-level politicians in both government and
industry.

It should be noted that loss of belief in a "determinable
continuity," and/or "cause and effect, is a classic
symptom/precursor to serious mental illness including
paranoid schizophrenia and sociopathy. This reinforces the
increasingly common observation that America's problems at
the bottom are *NOT* financial, but rather are due to the
psychopathology of our business and political "leadership."


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

On 9/28/2010 4:27 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:59:01 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/opinio...tml?mode=story

Obama is a victim of Bush's failed promises
By CHUCK GREEN

Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his
first year in office.

Largest budget ever.
Largest deficit ever.
Largest number of broken promises ever.
Most self-serving speeches ever.
Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever.
Fastest dive in popularity ever.
snip
Mr. Green writes well, but because he does not
speak/understand the special dialect/patois of English
called "Politicianese" he has misidentified the foundational
problem, which is that the politicians [there are more of
them in the corporate world than in Washington] live in an
alien [to normal people who are the vast majority]
weltanschauung/valence where there are no givens or
certainties, but everything is conditional, tentative, and
provisional.

One of the premiere business analysts and industrial
sociologists of our time, Rosabeth Moss Kantor, has done
extensive research on this point, and devotes a chapter in
her book _Men and Women of the Corporation_ to this
situation. This book is highly recommended if you want to
see how and why things have gone so wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=rdr_ext_...0Moss%20Kanter

http://drfd.hbs.edu/fit/public/facul...acEmId=rkanter

While the politicians' language appears to be the common
vernacular [i.e. American English], the extreme differences
in weltanschauung/valence make any sort of meaningful
relationship or communication between the "politicians" and
the vast majority of [normal] people very difficult.
Indeed, on a personal level this appears to account for the
very high levels of divorce, and dysfunctional families,
evidenced by top-level politicians in both government and
industry.

It should be noted that loss of belief in a "determinable
continuity," and/or "cause and effect, is a classic
symptom/precursor to serious mental illness including
paranoid schizophrenia and sociopathy. This reinforces the
increasingly common observation that America's problems at
the bottom are *NOT* financial, but rather are due to the
psychopathology of our business and political "leadership."


Or not. Maybe at the heart of America's problems is nothing more than
what's wrong with the American people themselves. Look, the "people"
voted for Bush and the republicans to lead the country, not once but
twice. So obviously the people wanted what the republicans were
offering. I thought that was a sign of insanity and it would lead to
disaster.

I was right, and Bush did lead the country into a fiasco. So after the
disaster the country comes to its senses and finally kicks out the pro
business republicans. This time they vote for a liberal Democrat whose
goal is to change the focus of the government from standing aside as
business ran the show and helping the people at the top as much as they
possibly could, to doing all it can to help the middle and lower classes.

Obama sets out to fulfill his agenda and it's fought tooth and nail by
the people who nearly ruined the country. Even so, Obama gets as much
accomplished as possible considering the level of opposition by the
right wing. So now we have the mid-term elections and what do the people
want? It seems they are not happy that Obama hasn't brought back
prosperity from the deep hole we were in within two years so they're mad
at him. Now they want to "send a message" and kick out the Democrats and
put the republicans back in power. The same people whose policies
created the problems in the first place. How that can be seen as
anything other than stupid is beyond me.

So you need look no further than at the American voters to see who's to
blame for our problems. It's their fault. They vote in incompetent
republicans and when they fail they put in Democrats and even if they
get good leaders they want to kick them out because they haven't made
things better fast enough to suit them. Ultimately the problem with
America is Americans. They're too stupid to do the right thing. We see
how ignorant they are in the new poll about religion where even
religious people can only answer half the questions on the poll
correctly. As Togo said, we have met the enemy and it's us.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
On 9/28/2010 4:27 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:59:01 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/opinio...tml?mode=story

Obama is a victim of Bush's failed promises
By CHUCK GREEN

Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his
first year in office.

Largest budget ever.
Largest deficit ever.
Largest number of broken promises ever.
Most self-serving speeches ever.
Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever.
Fastest dive in popularity ever.
snip
Mr. Green writes well, but because he does not
speak/understand the special dialect/patois of English
called "Politicianese" he has misidentified the foundational
problem, which is that the politicians [there are more of
them in the corporate world than in Washington] live in an
alien [to normal people who are the vast majority]
weltanschauung/valence where there are no givens or
certainties, but everything is conditional, tentative, and
provisional.

One of the premiere business analysts and industrial
sociologists of our time, Rosabeth Moss Kantor, has done
extensive research on this point, and devotes a chapter in
her book _Men and Women of the Corporation_ to this
situation. This book is highly recommended if you want to
see how and why things have gone so wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=rdr_ext_...0Moss%20Kanter

http://drfd.hbs.edu/fit/public/facul...acEmId=rkanter

While the politicians' language appears to be the common
vernacular [i.e. American English], the extreme differences
in weltanschauung/valence make any sort of meaningful
relationship or communication between the "politicians" and
the vast majority of [normal] people very difficult.
Indeed, on a personal level this appears to account for the
very high levels of divorce, and dysfunctional families,
evidenced by top-level politicians in both government and
industry.

It should be noted that loss of belief in a "determinable
continuity," and/or "cause and effect, is a classic
symptom/precursor to serious mental illness including
paranoid schizophrenia and sociopathy. This reinforces the
increasingly common observation that America's problems at
the bottom are *NOT* financial, but rather are due to the
psychopathology of our business and political "leadership."


Or not. Maybe at the heart of America's problems is nothing more than
what's wrong with the American people themselves. Look, the "people" voted
for Bush and the republicans to lead the country, not once but twice. So
obviously the people wanted what the republicans were offering. I thought
that was a sign of insanity and it would lead to disaster.

I was right, and Bush did lead the country into a fiasco. So after the
disaster the country comes to its senses and finally kicks out the pro
business republicans. This time they vote for a liberal Democrat whose
goal is to change the focus of the government from standing aside as
business ran the show and helping the people at the top as much as they
possibly could, to doing all it can to help the middle and lower classes.


Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out of
this country?

RogerN

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:07:00 -0700, Hawke
wrote:
snip
As Togo said, we have met the enemy and it's us.
==========
That's Pogo.
http://www.pogopossum.com/

Togo is a country in w. Africa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo

In commercial terms what we have is "bait and switch." Both
parties have a good line of BS, but who ever gets in,
nothing changes [for the better] for the majority of the
citizens. Governmental debt increases, the number/fraction
of governmental employees [now many as nominally private
contract workers] increases, the number of people killed in
the name of the people of the United States increases,
governmental snooping increases, the volume and inanity of
governmental excuses increases, and the
socio-economic/cultural/financial conditions just keep
getting worse.

If elections changed anything, these would be illegal. A
plague on both their houses.


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:38:10 -0500, "RogerN"
wrote:
snip
Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out of
this country?

RogerN
==========
An excellent question for this NG.

In point of fact, the major responsibility belongs to
Congress as they are tasked with enacting/amending the laws.

Over the last few days, a feeble pro-forma attempt was made
in the Senate to encourage the return of jobs to the U.S.
and discourage their export. As would be expected, while
there was majority support in the Senate, the
extra-constitutional 60 vote super majority requirement
prevented any consideration.

On examination, the major effect of the proposed legislation
would be increased welfare for America's deadbeat tin cup
corporations.

FWIW -- I sent the following email to my Senators and
Representative. While the referenced Senate bill is now
dead, feel free to use any or all of it if you wish to write
to your Congressmen about keeping domestic
employment/production domestic.

------ start of email -----
THE FIRST THING TO DO WHEN YOU ARE IN THE HOLE IS STOP
DIGGING!


http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3816/show
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Senate....html?x=0&.v=3


While the proposed legislation to reduce "off-shoring" to
preserve American jobs and thus revive the American economy
is well intentioned, this appears to be yet another futile
effort, when the [non] results of similar prior efforts are
examined. Indeed, on examination, this particular bill
appears to be yet another Congressional "donation" to
America's "tin cup" beggar corporations.

What is suggested is that immediate steps be taken to revise
the IRS code to prevent *ANY* taxpayer subsidies, either tax
deductions for "depreciation" or interest, investment or
"research" tax credits, or direct grants/subsidies for U.S.
domiciled corporations or companies for "investments" made
for plants, machines, research, etc. unless these are sited,
and the operations conducted in the U.S., under U.S. tax
law, employing 95% U.S. citizens, including management.

An extension of this change in policy and regulations to
eliminate U.S. tax payer subsidy and promotion of
"off-shoring," is the drastic tightening of the rules on
"transfer pricing," whereby taxes on the profits from
"off-shoring" and the importation of "off-shore" produced
products are largely evaded, with the profits untaxed until
these are "repatriated," which never occurs until special
provisions are enacted reducing or eliminating the Federal
taxes owed.

To prevent such evasion, the imposition of "unitary
taxation" is suggested whereby the fraction of the U.S.
profits generated worldwide by a transnational corporation,
and on which U.S. taxes are due, are determined by the
fraction of gross sales/business conducted in the U.S. For
example, if a transnational corporation does 80% of their
gross business/sales in the U.S., then it is assumed that
80% of their worldwide net profit was earned in the U.S.,
and their U.S. taxes are calculated accordingly.

Note that none of these proposals limits in any way the
right of corporations to site their production/research
facilities anywhere they wish, nor to import as much of the
production as they wish to the U.S., nor do these limit in
any way the amount of tax benefits/subsidies other
governments may offer for the construction and/or operation
of plants or facilities.

What these proposals will do is to insure that U.S. taxpayer
funds are not used to eliminate U.S. jobs and reduce the
U.S. tax base, and to insure corporations doing business in
the U.S. pay their full share of the cost of running the
U.S. government. Any corporations that feel this is unfair
are free to leave and/or to stop doing business in the U.S.
----- end of email -----


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:44:33 -0700, Hawke
wrote:
snip
That's more or less correct. But unlike what some folks think, there is
a difference between the parties. You may correctly call them both
corrupt. However, when you look at every single thing that has been done
to improve the lives of Americans it's all been done by the Democrats
and against the wishes of the republicans. The list is a long one; from
the 40 hr. work week, to overtime pay, to minimum wages, to unemployment
compensation, to social security, to food safety inspections, to the
right to unionize, and on and on. Everything beneficial to the average
American has come because the Democrats have made it happen and the
republican have fought them every step of the way on every issue.
snip
===========
Why stop there. Glass-Stegall and the SEC/CFTC were at
least as important in a macro economic/fiscal sense.
Unfortunately that was then and this is now. FDR died in
1945 and he ain't coming back.

FWIW -- Iceland may have a better idea in that they
established a special court to try their politicians for
mis- mal- and non- feasance in office and/or reckless
endangerment of the country when they became a country in
1905. The parliament just indicted the former PM for
allowing/abetting/promoting the uncontrolled growth of
banking and the resulting economic crash. Max sentence
under Icelandic law is only 2 years, and the fines have
become nominal because of inflation.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...er-crisis.html
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...d=a56Xvy6tuK2k

This may be a way to put some spine [or at least the fear of
god] into politicians, particularly if the prison time is
increased to 5 to 10 years with total asset confiscation and
both are both mandatory. As California and several other
states have demonstrated, term limits and voter
recall/initiative/petition aren't enough.

My suggestion for the #1 indictment is Phil Gramm.



-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:27:47 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:
snip
While the politicians' language appears to be the common
vernacular [i.e. American English], the extreme differences
in weltanschauung/valence make any sort of meaningful
relationship or communication between the "politicians" and
the vast majority of [normal] people very difficult.
Indeed, on a personal level this appears to account for the
very high levels of divorce, and dysfunctional families,
evidenced by top-level politicians in both government and
industry.

It should be noted that loss of belief in a "determinable
continuity," and/or "cause and effect, is a classic
symptom/precursor to serious mental illness including
paranoid schizophrenia and sociopathy. This reinforces the
increasingly common observation that America's problems at
the bottom are *NOT* financial, but rather are due to the
psychopathology of our business and political "leadership."
snip
I have received several emails questioning this assertation.
I have just come across a well written case study that
examines this in some detail. The case is the hostile
take-over of Budweiser by InBev in 2008.

_Dethroning the King: The Hostile Takeover of
Anheuser-Busch, an American Icon_
Julie MacIntosh
ISBN: 978-0-470-59270-0

You can see a review of the book at
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/09/2...-missed-deals/
and can browse chapter 1 at
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyT...470592702.html

available at discount 18.45$US from
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...9270-0&x=0&y=0

Be remined there are far more politicians in America's
corporations than in government. Both groups seem to suffer
from the same mental problems.


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out of
this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on TV.
But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors. It'll
never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"

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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out of
this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on TV.
But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors. It'll
never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

"azotic" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out
of this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class warfare
is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic Allinsky.

?
"Buerste" wrote in message
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"azotic" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out
of this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class
warfare is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic
Allinsky.



Is it not true that the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china
strategy
are lowerng the standard of living for the middle class by exporting thier
jobs ?

These people steal american inventions, create jobs in china, and take no
risk
importing goods that are subsidized by the chinese government. They are ego
centric
narcissistic individuals that only create wealth for thenselves. They have
no problem
conspiring with communist china to target american industry for destruction
as long
as they can make a profit from this action. I ask you are these the actions
of a loyal
patriotic american?

There is no class warefare, american workers only want to make a decent
living.
I have not heard of one single case where workers stormed a board meeting
and
killed the BOD in america.

Best Regards
Tom.

In article ,
"azotic" wrote:


There is no class warefare, american workers only want to make a decent
living.
I have not heard of one single case where workers stormed a board meeting
and
killed the BOD in america.

Best Regards
Tom.

Well, not yet anyway! ( Check with Gunner& Co.

John, Church of St. John Moses Browning and the Holy 1911 (Hand Grenades
of Antioch optional)

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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out
of this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs than all other presidents combined...with just four words
broadcast on TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his
predecessors. It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people,
class warfare is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic
Allinsky.



Is it not true that the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china
strategy
are lowerng the standard of living for the middle class by exporting thier
jobs ?

These people steal american inventions, create jobs in china, and take no
risk
importing goods that are subsidized by the chinese government. They are
ego centric
narcissistic individuals that only create wealth for thenselves. They have
no problem
conspiring with communist china to target american industry for
destruction as long
as they can make a profit from this action. I ask you are these the
actions of a loyal
patriotic american?

There is no class warefare, american workers only want to make a decent
living.
I have not heard of one single case where workers stormed a board meeting
and
killed the BOD in america.

Best Regards
Tom.



No doubt that China (and such) are eating our lunch! I've had products
stolen and produced in China and it burns my ass! They sell for less than
the raw materials cost me. Our government allows it, there is no recourse.
Patriotic American? What choice do they have? Production costs are so much
lower that often a company MUST go overseas, in whole or part, in order to
be competitive enough to stay in business. To repeat myself, all could be
instantly fixed if the President on national TV were to "suggest" that
Americans buy products made in the US. Gee, do you think any President will
ever have the balls? This country NEEDS to get back on the wealth creation
train and our government is not only the biggest impediment.but is strongly
going the other way. The atmosphere for companies is toxic with big new
taxes looming, the healthcare fiasco, powerful big unions, soft demand, etc.
Companies are hunkered down and waiting. All the while the left is
demonizing capitalists. Jobs aren't being exported, they are being lost
because they aren't competitive. Tariffs on imports? YOU BET!!! Will it
happen? NO!!! The government is corrupt and shifting blame to the
inventors, risk-takers, job providers and wealth creators. Do you buy
foreign products?

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Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing
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An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs than all other presidents combined...with just four words
broadcast on TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his
predecessors. It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people,
class warfare is a must and those that create must be demonized.
Classic Allinsky.



Is it not true that the investors and venture capitol crowd with the
china strategy
are lowerng the standard of living for the middle class by exporting
thier jobs ?

These people steal american inventions, create jobs in china, and take no
risk
importing goods that are subsidized by the chinese government. They are
ego centric
narcissistic individuals that only create wealth for thenselves. They
have no problem
conspiring with communist china to target american industry for
destruction as long
as they can make a profit from this action. I ask you are these the
actions of a loyal
patriotic american?

There is no class warefare, american workers only want to make a decent
living.
I have not heard of one single case where workers stormed a board meeting
and
killed the BOD in america.

Best Regards
Tom.



No doubt that China (and such) are eating our lunch! I've had products
stolen and produced in China and it burns my ass! They sell for less than
the raw materials cost me. Our government allows it, there is no
recourse. Patriotic American? What choice do they have? Production costs
are so much lower that often a company MUST go overseas, in whole or part,
in order to be competitive enough to stay in business. To repeat myself,
all could be instantly fixed if the President on national TV were to
"suggest" that Americans buy products made in the US. Gee, do you think
any President will ever have the balls? This country NEEDS to get back on
the wealth creation train and our government is not only the biggest
impediment.but is strongly going the other way. The atmosphere for
companies is toxic with big new taxes looming, the healthcare fiasco,
powerful big unions, soft demand, etc. Companies are hunkered down and
waiting. All the while the left is demonizing capitalists. Jobs aren't
being exported, they are being lost because they aren't competitive.
Tariffs on imports? YOU BET!!! Will it happen? NO!!! The government is
corrupt and shifting blame to the inventors, risk-takers, job providers
and wealth creators. Do you buy foreign products?


I try to by american regardless of cost. This is becoming harder since the
chinese have targeted and destroyed much of americas industry.

The president is harping about the bush tax cuts when he should be proposing
a 20% tarrif on chinese imports. We are in an ecconomic war and we should
fight it to win. It is the intent of china to bankrupt america and become
the only
super power. The concepts of free trade do not apply when dealing with
china.
Make it to expensive to export jobs.

If you do a little research you will discover that a start-up in
manufacturing a
product will not be able to get venture capitol unless thier plan is to
manufacture
in china.

Best Regards
Tom.

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Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out
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RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class warfare
is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic Allinsky.

Right. All we have to do is to first eliminate unions and feral
attorneys, then rein in insurance companies, corporations, and the
CONgress. That should knock 50-75% of an item's cost and go far in
making American-made goods valuable again. Enforcing current laws on
immigration, perhaps enhanced by shifting Army and Air Force bases to
the border areas, would ensure that all of our unemployed were
reemployed, too.

Such a simple plan should take less than a week, right? sigh

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

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Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out
of this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs than all other presidents combined...with just four words
broadcast on TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his
predecessors. It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people,
class warfare is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic
Allinsky.



Is it not true that the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china
strategy
are lowerng the standard of living for the middle class by exporting thier
jobs ?

These people steal american inventions, create jobs in china, and take no
risk
importing goods that are subsidized by the chinese government. They are
ego centric
narcissistic individuals that only create wealth for thenselves. They have
no problem
conspiring with communist china to target american industry for
destruction as long
as they can make a profit from this action. I ask you are these the
actions of a loyal
patriotic american?

There is no class warefare, american workers only want to make a decent
living.
I have not heard of one single case where workers stormed a board meeting
and
killed the BOD in america.

Best Regards
Tom.



No doubt that China (and such) are eating our lunch! I've had products
stolen and produced in China and it burns my ass! They sell for less than
the raw materials cost me. Our government allows it, there is no recourse.
Patriotic American? What choice do they have? Production costs are so much
lower that often a company MUST go overseas, in whole or part, in order to
be competitive enough to stay in business. To repeat myself, all could be
instantly fixed if the President on national TV were to "suggest" that
Americans buy products made in the US. Gee, do you think any President will
ever have the balls? This country NEEDS to get back on the wealth creation
train and our government is not only the biggest impediment.but is strongly
going the other way. The atmosphere for companies is toxic with big new
taxes looming, the healthcare fiasco, powerful big unions, soft demand, etc.
Companies are hunkered down and waiting. All the while the left is
demonizing capitalists. Jobs aren't being exported, they are being lost
because they aren't competitive. Tariffs on imports? YOU BET!!! Will it
happen? NO!!! The government is corrupt and shifting blame to the
inventors, risk-takers, job providers and wealth creators. Do you buy
foreign products?


The government doesn't even buy US made products. The VA buys a lot
of drugs in Canada. They sent an award to the head of a local Veteran's
group that was made in China. He sent it back and told them that if his
gourp's work wasn't work something made in the US, they could keep it.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

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Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out
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RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class warfare
is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic Allinsky.




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

On 9/30/2010 12:53 AM, azotic wrote:
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"RogerN" wrote in message
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Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing
out of this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs than all other presidents combined...with just four words
broadcast on TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his
predecessors. It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the
US? It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over
people, class warfare is a must and those that create must be
demonized. Classic Allinsky.



Is it not true that the investors and venture capitol crowd with the
china strategy
are lowerng the standard of living for the middle class by exporting
thier jobs ?

These people steal american inventions, create jobs in china, and take
no risk
importing goods that are subsidized by the chinese government. They are
ego centric
narcissistic individuals that only create wealth for thenselves. They
have no problem
conspiring with communist china to target american industry for
destruction as long
as they can make a profit from this action. I ask you are these the
actions of a loyal
patriotic american?

There is no class warefare, american workers only want to make a decent
living.
I have not heard of one single case where workers stormed a board
meeting and
killed the BOD in america.

Best Regards
Tom.

Modern corporations have no loyalty to any country. All they exist for
is to make profits. They will go anyplace where they can make the most,
which is why they leave the U.S. and go to China. They will leave there
too if they can make more somewhere else.

These transnational corporations have way too much power over most
governments, ours included. Unless governments reverse this trend things
are not going to change. Take the firm TransOcean. They do offshore oil
drilling and operated the Gulf Oil Spill oil rig for BP. They were an
American company but they are now headquartered in Dubai. They drill for
oil in the Gulf of Mexico or off Brazil and their only interest is in
making profits for their shareholders. So if you think that's an
American company you don't know what you're talking about. Even though
most of the people who work for the company are Americans it's not an
"American" company anymore. It's cut its ties to any nation. But that
doesn't stop it from using its wealth and power to influence our
government to reduce its taxes, regulations, and policies. That's just
one example. There are many.

So the problem isn't a class warfare one. That one is over. The elite 2%
defeated the majority 98% years ago when republicans/conservatives got
control of the government. The problem is corporations tied to no
nation, with too much money and power, are actually running many of the
countries around the world. And the problem is only getting worse.

Hawke

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Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing
out of this country?

RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs than all other presidents combined...with just four words
broadcast on TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his
predecessors. It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the
country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the
US? It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over
people, class warfare is a must and those that create must be
demonized. Classic Allinsky.



Is it not true that the investors and venture capitol crowd with the
china strategy
are lowerng the standard of living for the middle class by exporting
thier jobs ?

These people steal american inventions, create jobs in china, and take
no risk
importing goods that are subsidized by the chinese government. They are
ego centric
narcissistic individuals that only create wealth for thenselves. They
have no problem
conspiring with communist china to target american industry for
destruction as long
as they can make a profit from this action. I ask you are these the
actions of a loyal
patriotic american?

There is no class warefare, american workers only want to make a decent
living.
I have not heard of one single case where workers stormed a board
meeting and
killed the BOD in america.

Best Regards
Tom.



No doubt that China (and such) are eating our lunch! I've had products
stolen and produced in China and it burns my ass! They sell for less
than the raw materials cost me. Our government allows it, there is no
recourse. Patriotic American? What choice do they have? Production
costs are so much lower that often a company MUST go overseas, in whole
or part, in order to be competitive enough to stay in business. To
repeat myself, all could be instantly fixed if the President on national
TV were to "suggest" that Americans buy products made in the US. Gee, do
you think any President will ever have the balls? This country NEEDS to
get back on the wealth creation train and our government is not only the
biggest impediment.but is strongly going the other way. The atmosphere
for companies is toxic with big new taxes looming, the healthcare fiasco,
powerful big unions, soft demand, etc. Companies are hunkered down and
waiting. All the while the left is demonizing capitalists. Jobs aren't
being exported, they are being lost because they aren't competitive.
Tariffs on imports? YOU BET!!! Will it happen? NO!!! The government is
corrupt and shifting blame to the inventors, risk-takers, job providers
and wealth creators. Do you buy foreign products?


I try to by american regardless of cost. This is becoming harder since the
chinese have targeted and destroyed much of americas industry.

The president is harping about the bush tax cuts when he should be
proposing
a 20% tarrif on chinese imports. We are in an ecconomic war and we should
fight it to win. It is the intent of china to bankrupt america and become
the only
super power. The concepts of free trade do not apply when dealing with
china.
Make it to expensive to export jobs.

If you do a little research you will discover that a start-up in
manufacturing a
product will not be able to get venture capitol unless thier plan is to
manufacture
in china.

Best Regards
Tom.


"Startup Manufacturing"??? Who in their right mind would want to start a
manufacturing company in the US? In my industry, every big player has
plants overseas. Most of their market isn't in the US anyway, their
products aren't for the consumer market of plastic disposable products. The
market in the rest of the world is many, many times the size of the US
market. The US has lost its place as a world leader and is becoming a cross
between Europe and Mexico. Most companies know this and no mater how
"Patriotic" they are, if they have all their eggs in the US, they will
die...or, I should say...they will be murdered by the US government.
There's only negative incentive to stay in the US. If I were twenty years
younger, I'd be learning Mandarin or Indonesian.

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Modern corporations have no loyalty to any country. All they exist for is
to make profits. They will go anyplace where they can make the most, which
is why they leave the U.S. and go to China. They will leave there too if
they can make more somewhere else.

Hawke


I don't understand what your point is. Every company's obligation is first
and foremost to the stockholders. Can you pass laws that state that
investors can only invest in US-only companies? Do you want to pass tariffs
on imported goods? Fine by me! Who gave "Most Favored Nation" status to
China anyway? All US politicians have been bought-off for decades and stuff
their pockets rather than regulate trade. Don't blame the companies, it's
their obligation to make as much money as possible...blame the politicians
that won't control imports. China and Indonesia have the right idea to
create as much wealth as possible while the US discourages wealth creation.
The US took a powder and isn't coming back as the world's production
leader...EVER!

Why doesn't the President go on national prime-time TV and "suggest" that
Americans buy American-made products? We know why, don't we?

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An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class
warfare
is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic Allinsky.




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

So, how's that workin' out for ya'?

"US Is 'Practically Owned' by China" http://www.cnbc.com/id/39376706

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Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out
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RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class
warfare
is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic Allinsky.




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?

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RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class
warfare
is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic Allinsky.




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

So, how's that workin' out for ya'?


Just fine except for all the money the recession the republicans created
cost me. I personally lost a lot of money due to the trouble that the
republicans caused for our economy, so until I get back to even I'm not
about to forget who it was that hurt me financially. That's going to
take quite a while at the rate we're going.

Hawke

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RogerN



An American President COULD turn the economy around and create more
jobs
than all other presidents combined...with just four words broadcast on
TV. But, Obammy sure doesn't have the guts, nor did his predecessors.
It'll never happen, it makes too much sense.

Those four words: "BUY AMERICAN-MADE PRODUCTS!"


Or you can simply make it unprofitable to send jobs out of the country.
Screw the investors and venture capitol crowd with the china strategy.

Best Regards
Tom.

Why not make it worthwhile for companies to manufacture goods in the US?
It's totally senseless to punish the inventors, risk-takers, job
providers
and wealth creators. But, in order to have power over people, class
warfare
is a must and those that create must be demonized. Classic Allinsky.




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


I can't help it. I can't stand it when people get in my way and impede
my progress. It doesn't matter whether it's a senior citizen that walks
as slow as a turtle, or illegal aliens standing around blocking the
aisle, or a mommy with her little kid walking in front of me at one mile
per hour. I don't like people holding me back. Conservatives are always
trying to hold everything back and it annoys me. I want to move ahead,
to make progress, to change, to make things better. Right wingers are
always opposed to that and want to stand pat all the time. When I hear
you talking or making conservative points it's just like an old fart
standing in front of me in the check out line still writing a check.
It's irritating. That's just me. I walk fast. I think fast. I do things
quickly. I always have. That's me. I'm a lead, follow, or get out of the
way kind of guy so when you act like an old fashioned, slow moving,
conservative, it tries my patience.

Hawke

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:20:32 -0700, Hawke
wrote:
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Of course, the reason we
don't do what I recommend is because our government is corrupt and is
bought off by these same multinational businesses.
snip
==========
An old adage advises, "never confuse incompetence with
malice," which seems appropriate here.

Another major problem is that "the US market," "the US
economy," etc. do not exist, but rather a number of US
markets, a number of US economies, etc. Some of these
sectors/individuals are doing very well, e.g. gun and
ammunition sales, top-level brokers/bankers; illustrating
the maxim "it's an ill wind that blows nobody good."

It is an old joke that the typical American male driver has
two characteristics: first, they will never turn around and
go back; second, they will never stop and ask directions.
As in so many problem areas, failing to correctly identify
the root causes but rather treating the most obvious
symptoms is futile, particularly when "treatment" consists
of traditional spells, chants and incantations by charlatans
and shamans, e.g. the Dodd-Frank act, who have significant
vested, even primary, interest in preserving the status quo,
even when the status quo is clearly some variety of death
spiral for the majority of citizens and thus the nation as
it is currently known.

Two characteristics of the current American economy,
although it is not at all clear if these are causes or
effects of the economic malaise or if these are connected:
extreme concentration of ownership of productive
assets/income and extraordinarily high correlation in stock
prices. Both of these characteristics are at levels not
seen since 1928/29 immediately prior to the stock market
crash and great depression [two separate events] and during
the depths of the depression.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...e-all_politics
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert..._b_737792.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/30/21120/5581
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=1010987

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...DLETopStoriesv


-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:26:51 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke
==========
Here is an article that you and others that are following
this thread should find of interest.

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/ame...ion-2010-09-28

Reminds me of the old joke "They told him to cheer up things
could be worse -- so he cheered up and sure enough things
got worse."
-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

"F. George McDuffee" wrote:

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:26:51 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke
==========
Here is an article that you and others that are following
this thread should find of interest.

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/ame...ion-2010-09-28

Reminds me of the old joke "They told him to cheer up things
could be worse -- so he cheered up and sure enough things
got worse."


Reminds me of another joke "They told him to cheer up things could be
worse -- so he cheered up and they elected Obama."


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:07:00 -0700, Hawke wrote:

...As Togo said, we
have met the enemy and it's us.


Pogo, you Liberal nincompoop.

Thanks,
Rich

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:38:10 -0500, RogerN wrote:

Has Obama done anything about the incentives to move manufacturing out of
this country?

I wanna know howcome, after four years of democrat control of Congress,
and two years under a democrat president, they're still blaming Bush
for all their failures.

Is it Bush's fault that Obama escalated the Afghanistan Vietnam?

Is it STILL Bush's fault that after FOUR YEARS of democrat control, we've
still got 12% unemployment?

Can anybody explain to me the mechanism whereby that comes to pass?

Thanks,
Rich

On 10/1/2010 11:14 AM, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:07:00 -0700, Hawke wrote:

...As Togo said, we
have met the enemy and it's us.


Pogo, you Liberal nincompoop.

Thanks,
Rich



Sorry if I'm not into cartoons the way childish folks like you are.
Point is the same. But talk about a nincompoop! How many times do you
have to have a point explained to you for you to get it? I've told you
more than once that the Democrats were not in control of congress from
2006 through 2008 even though they had a slim majority. Bush was able to
sustain all his vetos in that period so all the Democrats had was a
majority but no power to advance any agenda or pass any legislation. So
when will you get it that the Democrats were not running the country the
last two years of Bush's presidency? Knowing you you'll never get it.

As for why Bush is still getting blamed it's because the policies he put
in place caused our problems and they have not been completely
obliterated yet. Bush did to the country what Sherman did to Atlanta in
the Civil War. He destroyed it. Atlanta wasn't back to normal is a year
and a half. Bush and the republicans just about destroyed our economy.
It's not back yet. No ****! In case you didn't know it Rome wasn't built
in a day and America won't be built back to its former self in only a
year or two. The damage was too extensive and the hole was too deep. But
I guess you think not much harm was done because you just can't figure
out why we're still having problems. Maybe it's because you're just
really dumb. Everybody else seems to understand it.

Hawke

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:26:51 -0700, Hawke
wrote:

I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke
==========
Here is an article that you and others that are following
this thread should find of interest.

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/ame...ion-2010-09-28

Reminds me of the old joke "They told him to cheer up things
could be worse -- so he cheered up and sure enough things
got worse."
-- Unka George (George McDuffee)
..............................

Domestic renditions will silence the malcontents and preserve
the statusquo. There are a slew of presidential directives and
general orders that cover these type of situations.

Best Regards
Tom.

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:14:43 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


The Parakeet is a Leftwinger...hence its a given he is mentally ill.

Has nothing to do with nature..but his mental illness(es)

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:14:43 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be
civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


The Parakeet is a Leftwinger...hence its a given he is mentally ill.

Has nothing to do with nature..but his mental illness(es)

Gunner


Well, he finally made "The List".

Buerste wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:14:43 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be
civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


The Parakeet is a Leftwinger...hence its a given he is mentally ill.

Has nothing to do with nature..but his mental illness(es)

Gunner


Well, he finally made "The List".


He's always listed. To the far left.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On 10/2/2010 4:14 PM, Buerste wrote:
"Gunner wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:14:43 -0400,
wrote:




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be
civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


The Parakeet is a Leftwinger...hence its a given he is mentally ill.

Has nothing to do with nature..but his mental illness(es)

Gunner


Well, he finally made "The List".



So you have finally got it down to where there is no one you listen to
except for right wing conservatives. That's too bad for you. Didn't
anyone tell you that a marketplace of ideas is far superior to a place
where everyone thinks the same way? Whatever, it's clear which you have
chosen...to join the ranks of the all right wing all the time crowd. I
can't say much for the reputation of that gang. But you may as well join
them if you're one of them.

Hawke

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

Buerste wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:14:43 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be
civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


The Parakeet is a Leftwinger...hence its a given he is mentally ill.

Has nothing to do with nature..but his mental illness(es)

Gunner


Well, he finally made "The List".


He's always listed. To the far left.




Far left isn't the problem, my brother's far left (lawyer), it's his
condescending, arrogant pontificating that I can't stand anymore.

Buerste wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

Buerste wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:14:43 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to be
civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


The Parakeet is a Leftwinger...hence its a given he is mentally ill.

Has nothing to do with nature..but his mental illness(es)

Gunner


Well, he finally made "The List".


He's always listed. To the far left.




Far left isn't the problem, my brother's far left (lawyer), it's his
condescending, arrogant pontificating that I can't stand anymore.


Far left & Lawyer? That two strikes. The 'condescending, arrogant
pontificating' is strike number three so it's no wonder you can't stand
him.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Buerste wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

Buerste wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:14:43 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:




I see you're still stuck in 1960s style ideology. Just for your
information, the rest of us moved beyond that kind of horse and
buggy
thinking by the turn of the century. The 21st century.

Hawke

Another rather arrogant, condescending post...and not informative or
constructive. And, you want to be respected? Why don't you TRY to
be
civil
and respectful in return? Or, it SO against your nature?


The Parakeet is a Leftwinger...hence its a given he is mentally ill.

Has nothing to do with nature..but his mental illness(es)

Gunner


Well, he finally made "The List".


He's always listed. To the far left.




Far left isn't the problem, my brother's far left (lawyer), it's his
condescending, arrogant pontificating that I can't stand anymore.


Far left & Lawyer? That two strikes. The 'condescending, arrogant
pontificating' is strike number three so it's no wonder you can't stand
him.


--

No, my bother and I get along fine! It's H's condescending, arrogant
pontification I can't stand! I don't know why he posts here, he's had
exactly one on-topic post that I know of. What's the definition of a
"troll" again? You and I were probably the last two non-libtards to plonk
him. Just do it!