Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on
Moneytalk that business executives are slated to receive more money in
executive compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee
pensions. This includes executives from companies receiving bailout
money from the federal government. Many of these companies, especially
the financials, have made a lot of money this year since the stock
market hit its lows in March. As a result a lot of executives plan to
get huge bonuses, bigger in fact than they got last year. So as the
country sees jobs go bye bye, and average people got a lot poorer, big
shot executives are slated to rake in billions. Meanwhile, they are
putting less money than they are going to receive in bonuses into the
pension plans for the companies' employees. These pension plans are
already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you have it. You wonder why
things are screwed up in this country? Look at our businesses and look
at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and make more money
than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have to love
capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke

Hawke wrote:
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on
Moneytalk that business executives are slated to receive more money in
executive compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee
pensions. This includes executives from companies receiving bailout
money from the federal government. Many of these companies, especially
the financials, have made a lot of money this year since the stock
market hit its lows in March. As a result a lot of executives plan to
get huge bonuses, bigger in fact than they got last year. So as the
country sees jobs go bye bye, and average people got a lot poorer, big
shot executives are slated to rake in billions. Meanwhile, they are
putting less money than they are going to receive in bonuses into the
pension plans for the companies' employees. These pension plans are
already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you have it. You wonder why
things are screwed up in this country? Look at our businesses and look
at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and make more money
than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have to love
capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke

"... only 11% of those questioned across 27 countries said that it
(capitalism) was working well."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions. This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger in
fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye, and
average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to rake in
billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are going to
receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies' employees.
These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you
have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country? Look at our
businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and
make more money than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have
to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke

No companies should have been bailed out. The fed has no right to alter
salaries of any company that it doesn't have a stake in. Why do pension
plans deserve unearned money?

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions. This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger in
fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye, and
average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to rake in
billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are going to
receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies' employees.
These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you
have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country? Look at our
businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and
make more money than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have
to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke

How come Obama and his administration is cooperating?

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions. This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger in
fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye, and
average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to rake in
billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are going to
receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies' employees.
These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you
have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country? Look at our
businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and
make more money than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have
to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke

I see you failed to mention all the raises for Congress critters. And
Michele's entourage of 21 personal assistants who are paid $100k to $200k
plus lifelong bennies. Hillary created a **** storm when she had three.
Most first ladies have had one.

It would have been a good thing for average people to have gotten those
jobs, but they were doled out to friends, family, and political
acquaintences.

No common people allowed.

Steve

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:11:39 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions. This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger in
fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye, and
average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to rake in
billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are going to
receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies' employees.
These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you
have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country? Look at our
businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and
make more money than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have
to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke

No companies should have been bailed out. The fed has no right to alter
salaries of any company that it doesn't have a stake in. Why do pension
plans deserve unearned money?

Deserve? Earned? A pension plan is a promise made by management to
employees to recruit and retain their services. When management
cavalierly breaks promises and takes bonuses while outsourcing jobs
and cutting wage-earners loose, grassroots support of more socialist
government is inevitable. Duh!

"Beryl" wrote in message
net...
Hawke wrote:
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions. This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger
in fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye,
and average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to
rake in billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are
going to receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies'
employees. These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So
there you have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country?
Look at our businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live
like kings and make more money than ever as the rank and file American
suffers. You have to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive...
or a republican.


Hawke

"... only 11% of those questioned across 27 countries said that it
(capitalism) was working well."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm


lol.
the revolution is comin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nj8RYEHkZ4

William Wixon wrote:
"Beryl" wrote in message
net...
Hawke wrote:
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions. This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger
in fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye,
and average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to
rake in billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are
going to receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies'
employees. These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So
there you have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country?
Look at our businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live
like kings and make more money than ever as the rank and file American
suffers. You have to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive...
or a republican.


Hawke
"... only 11% of those questioned across 27 countries said that it
(capitalism) was working well."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm


lol.
the revolution is comin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nj8RYEHkZ4



Ya'll keep saying that - it's coming, it's coming.

But I got news for you.
The revolution was is 1969.
It already came and went.

You missed it.

Steve Ackman wrote:
In , on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:59:27 -0700,
SteveB, wrote:
And
Michele's entourage of 21 personal assistants who are paid $100k to $200k
plus lifelong bennies. Hillary created a **** storm when she had three.
Most first ladies have had one.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/

SteveB sorta generously doubled their salaries too.

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
"Beryl" wrote in message
net...
Hawke wrote:
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on
Moneytalk that business executives are slated to receive more money in
executive compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee
pensions. This includes executives from companies receiving bailout
money from the federal government. Many of these companies, especially
the financials, have made a lot of money this year since the stock
market hit its lows in March. As a result a lot of executives plan to
get huge bonuses, bigger in fact than they got last year. So as the
country sees jobs go bye bye, and average people got a lot poorer, big
shot executives are slated to rake in billions. Meanwhile, they are
putting less money than they are going to receive in bonuses into the
pension plans for the companies' employees. These pension plans are
already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you have it. You wonder
why things are screwed up in this country? Look at our businesses and
look at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and make more
money than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have to love
capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke
"... only 11% of those questioned across 27 countries said that it
(capitalism) was working well."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm


lol.
the revolution is comin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nj8RYEHkZ4

Ya'll keep saying that - it's coming, it's coming.

But I got news for you.
The revolution was is 1969.
It already came and went.

You missed it.



:-) you know i was just pulling (your?) leg. just trolling.
anyhow, i was 10 in '69.

b.w.

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:11:39 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on
Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions.
This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows
in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger
in
fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye,
and
average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to rake
in
billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are going to
receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies' employees.
These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you
have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country? Look at
our
businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and
make more money than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You
have
to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.


Hawke

No companies should have been bailed out. The fed has no right to alter
salaries of any company that it doesn't have a stake in. Why do pension
plans deserve unearned money?

Deserve? Earned? A pension plan is a promise made by management to
employees to recruit and retain their services. When management
cavalierly breaks promises and takes bonuses while outsourcing jobs
and cutting wage-earners loose, grassroots support of more socialist
government is inevitable. Duh!


No company has a right to raid a pension fund. But, mandatory contributions
to pension funds over and above what is contracted, just because management
gets bonuses? I have a problem with that.

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:11:30 -0600, "William Wixon"
wrote:


"Beryl" wrote in message
tnet...
Hawke wrote:
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on Moneytalk
that business executives are slated to receive more money in executive
compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee pensions. This
includes executives from companies receiving bailout money from the
federal government. Many of these companies, especially the financials,
have made a lot of money this year since the stock market hit its lows in
March. As a result a lot of executives plan to get huge bonuses, bigger
in fact than they got last year. So as the country sees jobs go bye bye,
and average people got a lot poorer, big shot executives are slated to
rake in billions. Meanwhile, they are putting less money than they are
going to receive in bonuses into the pension plans for the companies'
employees. These pension plans are already underfunded by 200 billion. So
there you have it. You wonder why things are screwed up in this country?
Look at our businesses and look at the top. You'll see why. They live
like kings and make more money than ever as the rank and file American
suffers. You have to love capitalism. At least if you're an executive...
or a republican.


Hawke

"... only 11% of those questioned across 27 countries said that it
(capitalism) was working well."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm


lol.
the revolution is comin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nj8RYEHkZ4


Indeed...it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKG...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrWPN...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_9nv...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkBPY6vYiMs&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id5SRf6z4Ts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKbcwO4IrtY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdyfD...eature=related


Obama Yout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUR3...eature=related


"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:39:14 -0700, Steve Ackman
wrote:

In , on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:59:27 -0700,
SteveB, wrote:

And
Michele's entourage of 21 personal assistants who are paid $100k to $200k
plus lifelong bennies. Hillary created a **** storm when she had three.
Most first ladies have had one.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/


Looks like its true, based on the two links above.


Gunner

"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."

On Nov 9, 3:54*am, Hawke wrote:
Well, the businessmen are at it again.

Many of these companies, especially
the financials, have made a lot of money this year since the stock
market hit its lows in March. As a result a lot of executives plan to
get huge bonuses, bigger in fact than they got last year.
Hawke


What I love is that the government required that the bonuses be
smaller. So the Banks issued rights to buy stock instead of cash.
And now the execs are going to get more money than if they had been
paid in cash because the stocks have gone up.

One more case of the government trying to do something , and having it
not work out as planned.

Dan

Pensions were underfunded for decades, due to improper assumptions
about future returns. There was a tacit understanding between unions
and corporations, whereby pensions would go underfunded, and pension
promises were over-promised. The hope was that the management could
avoid war with the union, and the workers would later get paid anyway
due to government pension benefits guarantees. In the mean time,
higher assumptions about future returns greatly boosted the bottom
line of those companies, leading to great management bonuses.

This is well described in a book that I have, _While America Aged_ or
some such. It reads well and is very insightful.

As to whether management should or should not be paid more than the
contribution to workers pensions, this is not an easy question and
deserves more than a stupid knee-jerk reaction.

In the ideal world, I think, corporations would be best without
defined benefit pensions at all and with the workers accumilating
their private savings, in addition to Social Security. The pension
accounting is rife with hard to fix problems.

i

Beryl wrote:
Steve Ackman wrote:
In , on Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:59:27
-0700, SteveB, wrote:
And Michele's entourage of 21 personal assistants who are paid $100k
to $200k plus lifelong bennies. Hillary created a **** storm when
she had three. Most first ladies have had one.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/

SteveB sorta generously doubled their salaries too.



He probably got his information from Rush or Hannity or some other right
wing outlet, and we all know how inaccurate those sources are. Like I
have said before, those people have only one goal and that is getting
back in power. They have no scruples and they will do or say anything to
try to tear down whoever is in office regardless of their party. The sad
part is that they are able to deceive so many Americans.

Hawke

Ignoramus12778 wrote:
Pensions were underfunded for decades, due to improper assumptions
about future returns. There was a tacit understanding between unions
and corporations, whereby pensions would go underfunded, and pension
promises were over-promised. The hope was that the management could
avoid war with the union, and the workers would later get paid anyway
due to government pension benefits guarantees. In the mean time,
higher assumptions about future returns greatly boosted the bottom
line of those companies, leading to great management bonuses.

This is well described in a book that I have, _While America Aged_ or
some such. It reads well and is very insightful.

As to whether management should or should not be paid more than the
contribution to workers pensions, this is not an easy question and
deserves more than a stupid knee-jerk reaction.

In the ideal world, I think, corporations would be best without
defined benefit pensions at all and with the workers accumilating
their private savings, in addition to Social Security. The pension
accounting is rife with hard to fix problems.

i


Whether the pension plans are designed well or are fair is one thing.
The larger issue is about how much money some people are getting paid in
the midst of an economic downturn that has millions of people actually
suffering. So millions suffer while thousands still live like kings.
Back in the days when real kings did the same thing the masses were not
happy about it. The disparity of a country's wealth in the days of
monarchy led directly to the end of that system. Today we are seeing
economic monarchism. More people than ever are seeing the obscene levels
of pay for the privileged few as morally and inherently wrong. Maybe now
something will finally be done to change a system that unfairly enriches
a lucky few while the majority lives on "cake". The people did something
about the unfairness of monarchies; they abolished them. Let's see if
they are willing to do the same thing today.

Hawke

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:48:05 -0600, cavelamb wrote:
William Wixon wrote:
"Beryl" wrote in message
net...
Hawke wrote:
Well, the businessmen are at it again. It was reported today on
Moneytalk that business executives are slated to receive more money in
executive compensation than they are going to spend to fund employee
pensions. This includes executives from companies receiving bailout
money from the federal government. Many of these companies, especially
the financials, have made a lot of money this year since the stock
market hit its lows in March. As a result a lot of executives plan to
get huge bonuses, bigger in fact than they got last year. So as the
country sees jobs go bye bye, and average people got a lot poorer, big
shot executives are slated to rake in billions. Meanwhile, they are
putting less money than they are going to receive in bonuses into the
pension plans for the companies' employees. These pension plans are
already underfunded by 200 billion. So there you have it. You wonder
why things are screwed up in this country? Look at our businesses and
look at the top. You'll see why. They live like kings and make more
money than ever as the rank and file American suffers. You have to
love capitalism. At least if you're an executive... or a republican.

"... only 11% of those questioned across 27 countries said that it
(capitalism) was working well."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8347409.stm

lol.
the revolution is comin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nj8RYEHkZ4

Ya'll keep saying that - it's coming, it's coming.

But I got news for you.
The revolution was is 1969.
It already came and went.

You missed it.

If you remember the '60s, you weren't really participating. ;-P

Cheers!
Rich

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Beryl wrote:
Steve Ackman wrote:
In , on Sun, 8 Nov 2009
22:59:27 -0700, SteveB, wrote:
And Michele's entourage of 21 personal assistants who are paid $100k to
$200k plus lifelong bennies. Hillary created a **** storm when she had
three. Most first ladies have had one.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/michelle-obamas-staff/

SteveB sorta generously doubled their salaries too.



He probably got his information from Rush or Hannity or some other right
wing outlet, and we all know how inaccurate those sources are. Like I have
said before, those people have only one goal and that is getting back in
power. They have no scruples and they will do or say anything to try to
tear down whoever is in office regardless of their party. The sad part is
that they are able to deceive so many Americans.

Hawke

I heard her lowest paid aide was still at about $43k.

On 2009-11-09, Hawke wrote:
Ignoramus12778 wrote:
Pensions were underfunded for decades, due to improper assumptions
about future returns. There was a tacit understanding between unions
and corporations, whereby pensions would go underfunded, and pension
promises were over-promised. The hope was that the management could
avoid war with the union, and the workers would later get paid anyway
due to government pension benefits guarantees. In the mean time,
higher assumptions about future returns greatly boosted the bottom
line of those companies, leading to great management bonuses.

This is well described in a book that I have, _While America Aged_ or
some such. It reads well and is very insightful.

As to whether management should or should not be paid more than the
contribution to workers pensions, this is not an easy question and
deserves more than a stupid knee-jerk reaction.

In the ideal world, I think, corporations would be best without
defined benefit pensions at all and with the workers accumilating
their private savings, in addition to Social Security. The pension
accounting is rife with hard to fix problems.

i


Whether the pension plans are designed well or are fair is one thing.
The larger issue is about how much money some people are getting paid in
the midst of an economic downturn that has millions of people actually
suffering. So millions suffer while thousands still live like kings.

Income disparity is nothing new and is not unfair as such.

Back in the days when real kings did the same thing the masses were not
happy about it. The disparity of a country's wealth in the days of
monarchy led directly to the end of that system.

This is completely false, as almost all revolutions that ended
monarchies, did not end up with any large income redistributions.

Today we are seeing economic monarchism. More people than ever are
seeing the obscene levels of pay for the privileged few as morally
and inherently wrong. Maybe now something will finally be done to
change a system that unfairly enriches a lucky few while the
majority lives on "cake". The people did something about the
unfairness of monarchies; they abolished them. Let's see if they are
willing to do the same thing today.

The estate tax serves this purpose and, in the long run, ends those
economic dynasties. I believe it to be one of the great tools that
maintain some semblance of equality in the society.

I hope that estate tax is reinstated, and I also hope to die rich
enough to be affected by estate tax.

i

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be on the
right track.

Harold

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
et...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood is
how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
et...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

That condition manifests itself well in the construction trades. Not that
they are an isolated case, but it's the case that has been a constant thorn
in my side. Hiring workmen that have little, if any, talent, and can't
discern quality from out and out crap------that have the innate ability to
rush through a job, doing it as poorly as may be possible, grabbing the
(unearned) money and running. It is the prime reason I am building my own
house, without outside assistance.

The bar has been lowered so far that what used to be considered
unacceptable, today, has become not only acceptable, but a badge of honor.
It's as if they are ashamed to do a good job, not that they'd know one if it
presented itself. We see it in all walks of life. It's far more
important to make unreasonable money than to do a job well. Frankly, it
all reminds me all too much of my brother, who has no problems with screwing
over anyone and everyone in his path. From my observations, I get the idea
that, regardless of how bad his actions may be for others, so long as it's
beneficial for him, it's not only acceptable, but desirable. No damned
wonder I don't have a speaking relationship with him.

We have no one to blame but ourselves. We have tolerated this bull****
since the 60's. We've made "hero's" of scum that doesn't deserve to live,
often because they can gyrate on a stage and make noise that they like to
claim is "music". Mozart would be appalled.

I'm not letting sports figures off the hook, either. Demanding salaries
that even top scientists and doctors can't earn----doing something that
isn't important in the scheme of things.

Harold

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip--
What I never understood is how one can be happy with or even tolerate
unearned wealth.

Tolerate? Most wear it like a badge of honor. At the risk of offending,
how many union members willingly go on strike for higher wages and greater
benefits, with no thought to putting more effort in their jobs? Seems to
me, the common theme is more for less. From where is this unearned money
going to come?

I've lived long enough to watch first class postage go from 3¢ to, what,
44¢? (In case that doesn't come through, the sign is a cent sign). In the
same period of time I've watched a soft drink escalate from 5¢ to $1.75. I
no longer buy them. It's not that I can't afford to------it's that I
refuse to pay the criminal price.

I started my machine shop in 1967, charging a whopping $7.00/hr for my time.
Prior to my shop, I was working for wages in a job shop, earning $3.50/
hour. I was making respectable money, and earning every penny. Today, in
Washington State, minimum wage is $8.55/hr., for, in many cases, morons that
can't pour **** out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel.

From all indications, the only way we're going to learn anything is to fall
on our asses and stay there. Live under a bridge or two---lose everything we
thought we "needed", and start from scratch, earning our way. Then, and
only then, will we regain any semblance of good sense.

Harold

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:05:36 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood is
how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

Doesnt it depend on how one aquires that wealth?

If I found $100k on the street in a bag, and after taking it to the
police, waiting a bit and then being given it back...or if I won a
significant amount...Id be joyously happy with the money.

If someone dropped off $100k and split..Id be concerned as hell.

Gunner



"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: Frankly, it
all reminds me all too much of my brother, who has no problems with screwing
over anyone and everyone in his path. From my observations, I get the idea
that, regardless of how bad his actions may be for others, so long as it's
beneficial for him, it's not only acceptable, but desirable. No damned
wonder I don't have a speaking relationship with him.
Harold

This brings up a point which seems to be overlooked quite often.
If two brothers have such a divergent view of the matter HOW
can it be something "learned" from parents. ????????
It almost must be something else entirely.
I'm listening. :-)
...lew...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be
on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I
think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood is
how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

You mean, like money inherited from daddy? So you're in favor of the "death
tax," then?

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:25:40 GMT, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:

it
all reminds me all too much of my brother, who has no problems with screwing
over anyone and everyone in his path. From my observations, I get the idea
that, regardless of how bad his actions may be for others, so long as it's
beneficial for him, it's not only acceptable, but desirable. No damned
wonder I don't have a speaking relationship with him.

We have no one to blame but ourselves. We have tolerated this bull****
since the 60's. We've made "hero's" of scum

Now you're talkin'! For example, a whole bunch of windbags on this
newsgroup made a hero out of deadbeat-gummer. Now none of them have
any moral right to criticize deadbeats, so they need someone new to
blame. And wouldn't ya' know it, it's celebrities!

that doesn't deserve to live,

Not big on capitalism, huh?

often because they can gyrate on a stage and make noise that they like to
claim is "music".

Hey, don't worry about it, gummy has a plan. If you ask him nicely,
he'll add the names of all these "scum that doesn't deserve to live"
to his list for the "great cull". His warriors will surely want to
take a bus to Malibu rather than shoot up closer middle-class places.
I take it that your place wouldn't appeal to gummy's army of homeless,
etc?

Mozart would be appalled.

Isn't that how every religious crackpot got started, by claiming to
know the opinion of the dead and/or non-existent? What would Mozart
say about the relative cost of the gummers of the world, and
celebrities?

I'm not letting sports figures off the hook, either. Demanding salaries
that even top scientists and doctors can't earn----doing something that
isn't important in the scheme of things.

Maybe you should try out your theory on the hot dog vendors, Tshirt
hawkers, travel agents, hotel employees, etc. They'd probably all
rather be doctors, right?

Wayne

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
.net...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be
on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I
think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood
is how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

You mean, like money inherited from daddy? So you're in favor of the
"death tax," then?

--
Ed Huntress


Another of your famous assumptions? Yep, bring on the death tax! My daddy
left me $100k in phantom inventory due to his dementia. I still took him
and paraplegic step-mom out of a nursing home after broken hip on one and
failed spinal surgery on the other and cared for them for over 10 years
after all their assets were gone for med care. Including the sale of his
25% stock to me. Ever change your parents' diapers for ten years Ed? Ever
pay for their meds long after their SS check was gone Ed? Ever watch them
die slowly for ten years Ed? Ever grind up food in a blender three times a
day Ed? Ever burry them out of your pocket Ed? Listen closely Ed...GO ****
YOURSELF WITH BROKEN GLASS DIPPED IN GASOLINE!!! A CURSE UPON YOU!!! OBTW,
I hoped you enjoyed the free box of brushes I sent to you. I believe you
made an enemy today, too bad for you, that was hard to do but you succeded.
Congratulations!

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
s.net...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be
on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I
think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood
is how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

You mean, like money inherited from daddy? So you're in favor of the
"death tax," then?

--
Ed Huntress


Another of your famous assumptions?

It's not an assumption. It's a logical conclusion, and a question.

Yep, bring on the death tax! My daddy left me $100k in phantom inventory
due to his dementia. I still took him and paraplegic step-mom out of a
nursing home after broken hip on one and failed spinal surgery on the
other and cared for them for over 10 years after all their assets were
gone for med care. Including the sale of his 25% stock to me. Ever
change your parents' diapers for ten years Ed?

Something tells me you've gotten off the subject. Are you, or are you not,
in favor of taxing inheritances of wealth?

Ever pay for their meds long after their SS check was gone Ed?

Lots, before Medicare Part D came along. And then I paid for Medicare Part
D. And I paid over $12,000 out of my pocket for the nursing home. And I paid
many thousands more out of my pocket for her funeral.

Ever watch them die slowly for ten years Ed?

About five years for my mother, who passed away two months ago.

Ever grind up food in a blender three times a day Ed?

'Cooked two meals a day for my mother for over a year. She didn't need the
blender.

Ever burry them out of your pocket Ed? Listen closely Ed...GO ****
YOURSELF WITH BROKEN GLASS DIPPED IN GASOLINE!!!

I'm asking you about whether you favor the death tax. What does that have to
do with your parents?

A CURSE UPON YOU!!! OBTW, I hoped you enjoyed the free box of brushes I
sent to you.

I don't know. As I said to you when you asked me by e-mail, the only one I
asked about, and which you generously offered to send me (and which I told
you I wanted to pay for), wasn't included among the ones you sent. I bought
one at Sears, though, and it did the job OK. But thanks for the thought.

I believe you made an enemy today, too bad for you, that was hard to do
but you succeded. Congratulations!

Tom, you have taken a simple question about taxing inheritances and turned
it into a rant about how you had to care for your parents. I think that was
an admirable thing to do -- I went through some of that with my mother --
but it has nothing to do with the question I asked.

So, suit yourself. I've about had it with the emotional responses, anyway.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:39:22 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Buerste" wrote in message
...

A CURSE UPON YOU!!!

So, suit yourself. I've about had it with the emotional responses, anyway.

I'm amazed that it took you so long, Ed. Tom's rabid-partisan spiel
has been lame for quite a while, and it really jumped the shark the
day he said that his business had been killed by Obama, but that he
was rejecting multiple offers to sell for big money. I wasn't
surprised in the slightest when he resorted to the silly pity-party
tactics in order to avoid answering yet another simple question.

Wayne

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:39:22 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Buerste" wrote in message
...

A CURSE UPON YOU!!!

So, suit yourself. I've about had it with the emotional responses, anyway.

I'm amazed that it took you so long, Ed. Tom's rabid-partisan spiel
has been lame for quite a while, and it really jumped the shark the
day he said that his business had been killed by Obama, but that he
was rejecting multiple offers to sell for big money. I wasn't
surprised in the slightest when he resorted to the silly pity-party
tactics in order to avoid answering yet another simple question.

Wayne

Well, I've talked to Tom on the phone and I don't see it quite that way. He
does like to troll for fun, which he's admitted here. g

This is something weird, and I don't get it. Something set him off -- maybe
I asked at the wrong moment or something. It looks like he somehow took it
personally.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:01:53 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:39:22 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Buerste" wrote in message
...

A CURSE UPON YOU!!!

So, suit yourself. I've about had it with the emotional responses, anyway.

I'm amazed that it took you so long, Ed. Tom's rabid-partisan spiel
has been lame for quite a while, and it really jumped the shark the
day he said that his business had been killed by Obama, but that he
was rejecting multiple offers to sell for big money. I wasn't
surprised in the slightest when he resorted to the silly pity-party
tactics in order to avoid answering yet another simple question.

Wayne

Well, I've talked to Tom on the phone and I don't see it quite that way. He
does like to troll for fun, which he's admitted here. g

These guys who live to blame everything on the "dems", are driven by
something alright, but I don't believe that they find it fun.

This is something weird, and I don't get it. Something set him off -- maybe
I asked at the wrong moment or something. It looks like he somehow took it
personally.

He's ****ed that some people don't believe that he's self-made. I've
got news for him - the more partisan crap he posts here, and the more
he insists on foolishly arguing himself into corners, the fewer
readers will accept any of his boasting as fact. That's sensible
reasoning, but I predict he'll refuse to heed it, that he'll never
answer the two questions that he worked so hard to dodge, and that his
scapegoating will continue to escalate. Give him a few more months and
he might be claiming that Obama is stealing one sock out of each pair
every laundry day. :-)

Wayne

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:07:28 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:05:36 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:
"Don Foreman" wrote :
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote:
"Buerste" wrote:
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be on
the right track.

Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood is
how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

Doesnt it depend on how one aquires that wealth?

You can't cheat an honest man. Why? Because he's not expecting
something for nothing, and won't allow _you_ to short change yourself.
He'll pay fair value, or not at all.

If I found $100k on the street in a bag, and after taking it to the
police, waiting a bit and then being given it back...or if I won a
significant amount...Id be joyously happy with the money.

If someone dropped off $100k and split..Id be concerned as hell.

As much fun as it might be to fantasize about coming across a drug
deal gone bad, and talking all the guns and money, there is one small
minor catch. Somebody is going to want Their(tm) money back.
Nope, better my rich uncle should get out of the poor house, have
a one night stand with old Miss Gottrocks and use my name. That way
the money will come to me honestly. Well, mostly ...


-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

wrote in message

You mean, like money inherited from daddy?


I didn't inherit a ****ing thing from "daddy" except a **** load of debt and
ten lost years.
GO **** YOURSELF! You and the rest of the stupid libtards want to bleed
money from those that actually EARN it. GO **** YOURSELF, AND **** YOU
LIBTARD THIEVES!

PLONK

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

wrote in message

You mean, like money inherited from daddy?


I didn't inherit a ****ing thing from "daddy" except a **** load of debt and
ten lost years.
GO **** YOURSELF! You and the rest of the stupid libtards want to bleed
money from those that actually EARN it. GO **** YOURSELF, AND **** YOU
LIBTARD THIEVES!

PLONK

I didn't write a word of what you've quoted, nitwit. You're becoming
more of a crackpot with each passing day, so if you're plonking me,
it's an honor.

Wayne

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:05:36 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
.net...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be
on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I
think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood is
how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

Doesnt it depend on how one aquires that wealth?

If I found $100k on the street in a bag, and after taking it to the
police, waiting a bit and then being given it back...or if I won a
significant amount...Id be joyously happy with the money.

If someone dropped off $100k and split..Id be concerned as hell.

Gunner


I too would be thrilled with a lotto win or such but it doesn't match the
thrill of a new design working beyond expectations or the accomplishment of
a difficult repair finished just right. Free money is cool as long as it
isn't at the expense of someone else. Libtards consider free money an
entitlement.

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

wrote in message

You mean, like money inherited from daddy?


I didn't inherit a ****ing thing from "daddy" except a **** load of debt
and ten lost years.

I didn't suggest that you did. You said "What I never understood is how one
can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth." And I asked, "like
money inherited from daddy?"

I didn't say *your* daddy. And you've told us that you bought out your dad's
interest in the company, and you've also mentioned that you had to care for
your parents in their old age. I wouldn't think it likely that you got much
of an inheritance. So I don't see how you could have misunderstood my
question, unless you really wanted to get angry about something and were
looking for an excuse to fly off the handle.

GO **** YOURSELF! You and the rest of the stupid libtards want to bleed
money from those that actually EARN it. GO **** YOURSELF, AND **** YOU
LIBTARD THIEVES!

PLONK

It looks like you're a little stressed out, Tom. What you're saying makes no
sense and has nothing to do with what I said or was thinking at the time.

--
Ed Huntress

Buerste wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and
you'll be on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In
fact, I think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly
and the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about
greed, it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body
of ****ees so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of
****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never
understood is how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned
wealth.

You mean, like money inherited from daddy? So you're in favor of the
"death tax," then?

--
Ed Huntress


Another of your famous assumptions? Yep, bring on the death tax! My
daddy left me $100k in phantom inventory due to his dementia. I
still took him and paraplegic step-mom out of a nursing home after
broken hip on one and failed spinal surgery on the other and cared
for them for over 10 years after all their assets were gone for med
care. Including the sale of his 25% stock to me. Ever change your
parents' diapers for ten years Ed? Ever pay for their meds long
after their SS check was gone Ed? Ever watch them die slowly for ten
years Ed? Ever grind up food in a blender three times a day Ed?
Ever burry them out of your pocket Ed? Listen closely Ed...GO ****
YOURSELF WITH BROKEN GLASS DIPPED IN GASOLINE!!! A CURSE UPON YOU!!!
OBTW, I hoped you enjoyed the free box of brushes I sent to you. I
believe you made an enemy today, too bad for you, that was hard to do
but you succeded. Congratulations!

Cheese check late Tom?


--
John R. Carroll

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:24:37 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:05:36 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:51:11 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
s.net...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...
snip----

Why do pension plans deserve unearned money?

Change that to why does *ANYONE* deserve unearned money and you'll be
on
the right track.

Harold


Indeed! I don't think that is taught in school anymore. In fact, I
think
the opposite is taught.

Neither is taught in school. Values are learned from parents by
example. It's much easier to assign blame than to act responsibly and
the results are now coming back to bite.

Greed has become a respected value. There's nothing new about greed,
it's just become more democratic. But greed needs a body of ****ees
so a body of greedy *******s needs a larger body of ****ees.

Now our leadership in Washington encourages us all to be greedy
*******s, it's a democracy after all. The third world is rapidly
catching up economically and technologically so the body of ****ees
will be our children and grandchildren.

Human nature tempered by learned value system? What I never understood is
how one can be happy with or even tolerate unearned wealth.

Doesnt it depend on how one aquires that wealth?

If I found $100k on the street in a bag, and after taking it to the
police, waiting a bit and then being given it back...or if I won a
significant amount...Id be joyously happy with the money.

If someone dropped off $100k and split..Id be concerned as hell.

Gunner


I too would be thrilled with a lotto win or such but it doesn't match the
thrill of a new design working beyond expectations or the accomplishment of
a difficult repair finished just right. Free money is cool as long as it
isn't at the expense of someone else. Libtards consider free money an
entitlement.

Very very true!!

Gunner

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