The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!

Gil HASH wrote:

How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?

Vaseline


Nick
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:37:30 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!


He's a newbie so he probably doesn't get your "joke"
Randy

"Randy Replogle" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:37:30 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Gil HASH" wrote in message
.. .
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!


He's a newbie so he probably doesn't get your "joke"
Randy

Shhhhh!

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
.. .
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to
prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!


He's a newbie so he probably doesn't get your "joke"
Randy

Shhhhh!


Excellent! ,-)
I was deep in dictionnary to look for the differences between wire brushes
wire bushes (why throw away?) and in plus it's a joke?
I'm a french newbie and times are hard for me to discover all your tricks
but I try ;-)

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:00:08 +0400, "Gil HASH"
wrote:


"Gil HASH" wrote in message
.. .
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to
prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!


He's a newbie so he probably doesn't get your "joke"
Randy

Shhhhh!


Excellent! ,-)
I was deep in dictionnary to look for the differences between wire brushes
wire bushes (why throw away?) and in plus it's a joke?
I'm a french newbie and times are hard for me to discover all your tricks
but I try ;-)


He owns a wire brush factory. :-)


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

He owns a wire brush factory. :-)

Ah it's clearly now ,-)
More serioulsy, Tom talked about wax Have you some links about it and how
to?

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
.. .
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to
prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!


He's a newbie so he probably doesn't get your "joke"
Randy

Shhhhh!


Excellent! ,-)
I was deep in dictionnary to look for the differences between wire brushes
wire bushes (why throw away?) and in plus it's a joke?
I'm a french newbie and times are hard for me to discover all your tricks
but I try ;-)


Don't take it personally. He's just having a little fun with you. Tom
runs a brush manufacturing business, and produces some excellent quality
products, well endorsed by readers here on RCM.

It might help to better describe your rust conditions----particularly when
you talk about gages, calipers and a sign bar. Generally rust does these
items harm, rendering them to scrap. After all, what good is a gage if it
isn't the proper size?

Harold

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:00:14 -0500, Randy Replogle
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:37:30 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Gil HASH" wrote in message
.. .
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!


He's a newbie so he probably doesn't get your "joke"
Randy


ROFLMAO!!!!!

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty."
Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly
save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long

Excellent! ,-)
I was deep in dictionnary to look for the differences between wire
brushes
wire bushes (why throw away?) and in plus it's a joke?
I'm a french newbie and times are hard for me to discover all your
tricks
but I try ;-)


Don't take it personally. He's just having a little fun with you. Tom
runs a brush manufacturing business, and produces some excellent quality
products, well endorsed by readers here on RCM.

It might help to better describe your rust conditions----particularly when
you talk about gages, calipers and a sign bar. Generally rust does these
items harm, rendering them to scrap. After all, what good is a gage if
it
isn't the proper size?

Harold

Hello Harold
I'm really laughting of this good joke.
My gauges, calipers are a little dirty but not "rusty"
But I suppose I can't swipe them hardly with a sand paper
For the other parts like vises, all plans of the drill press, they are both
dirty and rusty
I use very light sand paper (grade 400) and fater clening with kerdane (a
non smelling petrol)
I wipe them with a tissue and a product named "rustol" perhaps have you the
same name
But is it right or no?

Gil,

Tom was pulling your leg about "wax" also. See Harold's post re. gauges and
the sizes thereof. Wax, or any superficial cleaner, etc. which can leave a
residue is definitely not recommended for gauges. Anything used to clean a
gauge must not leave a build-up on the active surfaces. For instance, many
years ago, I used WF-40 to clean the anvils of a micromenter. Later, I
noticed the "zero" of the mic had shifted 1 or 2 ten-thousands of an inch.
The WD-40 had left residue on the anvils. Clean any residue off the
measuring surfaces with acetone. Never use any sort of abrasive.

Bob Swinney
"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...



He owns a wire brush factory. :-)

Ah it's clearly now ,-)
More serioulsy, Tom talked about wax Have you some links about it and how
to?

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...



He owns a wire brush factory. :-)

Ah it's clearly now ,-)
More serioulsy, Tom talked about wax Have you some links about it and how
to?

Seriously, after you have cleaned your stuff, you could use any past wax,
like furniture wax or car wax. You will get many valuable thoughts here.

In article , "Tom Gardner"
says...

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!



There are new folks on this group, asshole. Treat them like you would
treat your own friends, not some off the wall dickhead advice.

Aftershock

" There are new folks on this group, asshole. Treat them like you would
treat your own friends, not some off the wall dickhead advice.

Aftershock

God, I hope you never ask my friends how I treat THEM! ....and just WHAT
was wrong with my advice? Everybody knows that wire brushes get dull
quickly and must be resharpened by a pro or use new ones frequently.
(Aftershock, you think I'm kidding, don't you?) So, before you call
somebody an "asshole", know what you're talking about. I'm one of the best
in the whole frigging WORLD at what I do...what can you say about
YOURSELF???

oh, by the way....bite me!

"Robert Swinney" wrote in message
...
Gil,

Tom was pulling your leg about "wax" also. See Harold's post re. gauges
and the sizes thereof. Wax, or any superficial cleaner, etc. which can
leave a residue is definitely not recommended for gauges. Anything used
to clean a gauge must not leave a build-up on the active surfaces. For
instance, many years ago, I used WF-40 to clean the anvils of a
micromenter. Later, I noticed the "zero" of the mic had shifted 1 or 2
ten-thousands of an inch. The WD-40 had left residue on the anvils. Clean
any residue off the measuring surfaces with acetone. Never use any sort
of abrasive.

Bob Swinney

Welllllll......OK, but I figure that anything needed to a tenth or so will
never recover from a trip to corrosion city anyway. How about waxing a pipe
wrench? I don't need too many significant digits very often so I forget
they are there. For God's sake, Gill's talking sandpaper, just to keep
perspective.

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...

Excellent! ,-)
I was deep in dictionnary to look for the differences between wire
brushes
wire bushes (why throw away?) and in plus it's a joke?
I'm a french newbie and times are hard for me to discover all your
tricks
but I try ;-)


Don't take it personally. He's just having a little fun with you.
Tom
runs a brush manufacturing business, and produces some excellent quality
products, well endorsed by readers here on RCM.

It might help to better describe your rust conditions----particularly
when
you talk about gages, calipers and a sign bar. Generally rust does
these
items harm, rendering them to scrap. After all, what good is a gage
if
it
isn't the proper size?

Harold

Hello Harold
I'm really laughting of this good joke.

Great! Tom's a joker and likes to have fun.

My gauges, calipers are a little dirty but not "rusty"
But I suppose I can't swipe them hardly with a sand paper

For precision tools, nothing abrasive should contact them. Remember,
instruments such as this are typically capable of resolving a tenth or less,
in the hands of one that is experienced. Any abrasion changes their
features, rendering them less than reliable. If your tools are truly
*dirty*, nothing more, a good cleaning with mineral spirits (paint thinner)
would probably do them no harm and should restore them to a clean condition.
Dismantling them is a good idea, but don't get micrometer components mixed
up should you have more than one. Do them one at a time, and wash
everything well, rinsing in some clean mineral spirits. If you have
compressed air at your disposal, use it to dry them completely, then use a
fine oil to lubricate the threads and reassemble them. Store them in a
good wooden tool box, or give them a light covering of oil when you're not
using them. If your atmosphere isn't humid, you should be able to leave
them in your toolbox unprotected, however. I have micrometers that were
purchased back in '57 that show no signs of rusting.

For the other parts like vises, all plans of the drill press, they are
both
dirty and rusty
I use very light sand paper (grade 400) and fater clening with kerdane (a
non smelling petrol)

If you find the rust is slightly heavier than will come off easily with the
400, there's nothing wrong with using a slightly coarser grade. As long as
you restrict the use to non working surfaces (ways of a mill or lathe, for
example), there's not a lot you can do to hurt the machines. Certainly, a
hand polished surface would be preferred to a rusty one. Use a little
solvent while you're sanding, so it keeps the dust down and the sanding
paper clean. Cuts faster and easier, too.

I wipe them with a tissue and a product named "rustol" perhaps have you
the
same name
But is it right or no?

Any of the packaged rust preventatives that don't leave a heavy residue
would probably serve you well if you've having trouble keeping your tools
from rusting. You might also consider keeping some desiccant packages in
the box, heating them often to dry them out. Anything to avoid your tools
from rusting. If you have more questions, feel free to ask. Many of us
are happy to help.

Harold

A big thanks for all your tips
This newsgroup is really dedicated to metalworking fanatics ;-)
There is no one like this in french, that's why I find always many answers
to my newbie's questions
Sometimes I must just be familiar with your "special working language" ;-)
One day, a dictionnary could be written

Jean-Luc HOAREAU (JLH-Gil HASH)
From Reunion island in indian ocean

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:25:15 -0500, Aftershock wrote:


There are new folks on this group, asshole. Treat them like you would
treat your own friends, not some off the wall dickhead advice.

Just for the record, I like Tom. I think he's a generous kinda guy
with a sense of humor, and I enjoy reading his posts.

Aftershock

That's a mighty scary sounding nickname you made up for yourself
there, Aftershock. Any particular reason you decided on that one?

"Artemia Salina" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:25:15 -0500, Aftershock wrote:


There are new folks on this group, asshole. Treat them like you would
treat your own friends, not some off the wall dickhead advice.

Just for the record, I like Tom. I think he's a generous kinda guy
with a sense of humor, and I enjoy reading his posts.

Yeah, Tom's OK-----just enjoys a few laughs. It might seem a bit strange
for the newbie to get one of his humorous replies, but I can't imagine that
it would take much time until the newbie figured out he's just having some
fun.

Did anyone on the group watch SOAP when it was on the air? It was,
without a doubt, one of the funniest sitcoms to hit the air--------but if
you didn't watch it long enough to figure out what it was up to, it was
stupid and offensive. Sometimes you have to give things a little time
before making a decision.

Harold

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:25:15 -0500, Aftershock
wrote:

In article , "Tom Gardner"
says...

"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...
The newbie's strange question of the day :
How to clean the iron tools,gages, caliper, sine bar and how to prevent
rust?


Lots of wire brushes, used once and thrown away! Paste wax!



There are new folks on this group, asshole. Treat them like you would
treat your own friends, not some off the wall dickhead advice.

Aftershock

take your own advice, ****wit.

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty."
Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly
save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long

In article ,
Gil HASH wrote:
A big thanks for all your tips
This newsgroup is really dedicated to metalworking fanatics ;-)

That is because it is composed of metalworking fanatics. :-)

There is no one like this in french,

How easy is it to own metalworking equipment in France? It
*might* be that the lack of a similar newsgroup or mailing list reflects
the difficulty of becoming a metalworking hobbyist in France. (I have
read of similar difficulties in Germany.)

Then again, I see from your .sig block that you are not *in*
France, so you might not know the answer to this question.)

that's why I find always many answers
to my newbie's questions
Sometimes I must just be familiar with your "special working language" ;-)
One day, a dictionnary could be written

And perhaps that could best be done by someone coming into the
newsgroup from the basis of another language, as the special use of
words to which we have become accustomed might become invisible to us,
as we have *always* used them.

I must admit that your English is much better than my Spanish.
(I did not study French in school, as I did not expect to need it, and
then I had to spend some time in Paris when my mother was in a hospital
there. As it turned out, the times when I could not find anyone who
would admit that they spoke English, I was able to find someone who
spoke Spanish, so I was able to communicate -- with some difficulty.

Best of luck,
DoN.

P.S. I see that you are posting from a Wanadoo address, so I fear
that you could not send me e-mail directly, as I have a lot of
Wanadoo in France blocked for spamming (and for not doing much
about their users who are spamming. :-)
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message Did anyone on
the group watch SOAP when it was on the air? It was,
without a doubt, one of the funniest sitcoms to hit the air--------but if
you didn't watch it long enough to figure out what it was up to, it was
stupid and offensive. Sometimes you have to give things a little time
before making a decision.

Harold

Herold, most people think I'm stupid and offensive right away! Soon after,
I remove all doubt.

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. ..

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message Did anyone
on
the group watch SOAP when it was on the air? It was,
without a doubt, one of the funniest sitcoms to hit the air--------but
if
you didn't watch it long enough to figure out what it was up to, it was
stupid and offensive. Sometimes you have to give things a little
time
before making a decision.

Harold

Herold, most people think I'm stupid and offensive right away! Soon
after,
I remove all doubt.

Chuckle! What was that saying------It's better to be thought a full than
to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

I don't care what you say, Tom. I think you're Ok. A little tight with the
freebie brushes, maybe, but Ok. g

Harold

Tom Gardner wrote:
" There are new folks on this group, asshole. Treat them like you would

treat your own friends, not some off the wall dickhead advice.

Aftershock


God, I hope you never ask my friends how I treat THEM! ....and just WHAT
was wrong with my advice? Everybody knows that wire brushes get dull
quickly and must be resharpened by a pro or use new ones frequently.
(Aftershock, you think I'm kidding, don't you?) So, before you call
somebody an "asshole", know what you're talking about. I'm one of the best
in the whole frigging WORLD at what I do...what can you say about
YOURSELF???

oh, by the way....bite me!



Wow, he really told you, you OK Tom?

Dumb ol' bully, if he'd have said that to me I might have done something
about it, pretty soon.. lucky for him he didn't, yeah boy, I'd have told
him..

John

Gil HASH wrote:

I use very light sand paper (grade 400)

Scotch 3M pads (grade 100 to 1000) are excellent for removing rust.
Forget the paper.


Nick
--
Motormodelle / Engine Models:
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de
Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic
more to come ...

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:15:51 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:


"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

Herold, most people think I'm stupid and offensive right away! Soon
after,
I remove all doubt.

Chuckle! What was that saying------It's better to be thought a full than
to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

"Thought a full" works quite well in that context, doesn't it? vbg


I don't care what you say, Tom. I think you're Ok. A little tight with the
freebie brushes, maybe, but Ok. g

Yeah, waaaaaaay too tight. He oughta do like the drug dealers do:
Get us hooked with freebies until we NEED to buy the good stuff
from him.


-
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Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote:
Everybody knows that wire brushes get dull
quickly and must be resharpened by a pro or use new ones frequently.


Tom:

How about some info on the resharpening? I reverse the reversible ones
and have occasionally run a hand stone lightly against one before
reversing, but I'm guessing there's more to it than that.

John Martin

DoN. Nichols wrote:

I have read of similar difficulties in Germany.

In the land of Deckel, Gildemeister, Maho, Weiler, ...?
No, you get the tools etc., but it's hard to find people having the same
hobby/dedication and so someone willing to share the knowledge for
sources of special stuff.
That's why I'm here, sitting on the RCM-sofa, having a beer or two and
watching the jokes & tips passing by. :-)

.... and busy filtering that damned OT. :-(


Nick
--
Motormodelle / Engine Models:
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de
Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic
more to come ...

DoN. Nichols wrote:

As it turned out, the times when I could not find anyone who
would admit that they spoke English

In France? Someone willing to speak something different that French?
Or at least trying to understand your not so perfect french?
What a joke!


Nick
--
Motormodelle / Engine Models:
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de
Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic
more to come ...

On 13 Aug 2005 06:38:51 -0700, the opaque "John Martin"
clearly wrote:

Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote:
Everybody knows that wire brushes get dull
quickly and must be resharpened by a pro or use new ones frequently.

How about some info on the resharpening? I reverse the reversible ones
and have occasionally run a hand stone lightly against one before
reversing, but I'm guessing there's more to it than that.

Everyone knows that 6 strokes from a diamond micro-file on each side
of each wire of the brush is the best way to sharpen them.

Note to Tom: Record the breakins with a $69 recorder TODAY ONLY!
http://www.isellsurplus.com/product.asp?id=14185&c=10


-
Inside every older person is a younger person wondering WTF happened.
---
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I use ATF ( automatic transmission fluid ) as a light oil in my shop.
It has some antirust additives in it. To prevent rust I sometimes rub
some wax on things and then wipe with a rag with some ATF on it. The
ATF helps to get complete coverage.

Dan


Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote:
"Gil HASH" wrote in message
...



He owns a wire brush factory. :-)

Ah it's clearly now ,-)
More serioulsy, Tom talked about wax Have you some links about it and how
to?

Seriously, after you have cleaned your stuff, you could use any past wax,
like furniture wax or car wax. You will get many valuable thoughts here.

How easy is it to own metalworking equipment in France? It
*might* be that the lack of a similar newsgroup or mailing list reflects
the difficulty of becoming a metalworking hobbyist in France. (I have
read of similar difficulties in Germany.)

Then again, I see from your .sig block that you are not *in*
France, so you might not know the answer to this question.)


Hello Don
I'm living in a french oversea country beetween madagascar and Mauritius
island
In france there is no problem to get a metalworking equipement
but in reunion island : it's quite impossible
with 12000 kilometers (in a strait line) from France everything turn to be
difficult
By plane the shipping price is more than expensive for equipements witch
weight is over 250 Kg
There is no local reseller from any of the well known factories
I am an hobbyist, what in french, we call a "bricoleur" doing some little
thing but wanting to do some things more difficult
My first idea was to buy a micro lathe and a mini drill, but damned, I was
astonished by the prices
A mini drill and a mini lathe are more expensive than a medium manual drill
and lathe with their standart accessories
My next idea was to try buy one drill and one lathe from France, my third
idea was to buy them directly from Singapour or one other eastern country
In any case I stopped my dream with the amount of shipping and to find a
trading agent
The next idea was to buy a drill and use it like a mill
The previous posts upon the subject were precious for understanding that I
was in wrong
(I loosed my chuck falling down every minute but I was thinking than the
chuck was bad)
What a curse to be in a charming island with a lot of sun but far from
anywhere ,-)

Jean-Luc


that's why I find always many
answers
to my newbie's questions
Sometimes I must just be familiar with your "special working language"
;-)
One day, a dictionnary could be written

And perhaps that could best be done by someone coming into the
newsgroup from the basis of another language, as the special use of
words to which we have become accustomed might become invisible to us,
as we have *always* used them.

I must admit that your English is much better than my Spanish.
(I did not study French in school, as I did not expect to need it, and
then I had to spend some time in Paris when my mother was in a hospital
there. As it turned out, the times when I could not find anyone who
would admit that they spoke English, I was able to find someone who
spoke Spanish, so I was able to communicate -- with some difficulty.

Best of luck,
DoN.

P.S. I see that you are posting from a Wanadoo address, so I fear
that you could not send me e-mail directly, as I have a lot of
Wanadoo in France blocked for spamming (and for not doing much
about their users who are spamming. :-)
--
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(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:15:51 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:


"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

Herold, most people think I'm stupid and offensive right away! Soon
after,
I remove all doubt.

Chuckle! What was that saying------It's better to be thought a full
than
to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

"Thought a full" works quite well in that context, doesn't it? vbg

Chuckle! You know--------that sucker looked just fine when I sent it.
Where the hell was my head? Anyone with smarts knows it's *fool*. (Or
is it fuel?) g


I don't care what you say, Tom. I think you're Ok. A little tight with
the
freebie brushes, maybe, but Ok. g

Yeah, waaaaaaay too tight. He oughta do like the drug dealers do:
Get us hooked with freebies until we NEED to buy the good stuff
from him.

Keep working on the cheap *******! (Or is it *cheep* *******?)

Harold

In article ,
Nick Müller wrote:
DoN. Nichols wrote:

As it turned out, the times when I could not find anyone who
would admit that they spoke English

In France? Someone willing to speak something different that French?
Or at least trying to understand your not so perfect french?

I am sure that I would have had more trouble with a less than
perfect French (which I did not have), than with my existing less than
perfect Spanish. There are enough people from Spain in Paris so
apparently my odds were improved. And at least the fact that I was able
to speak at least *one* other language than my native English (or
American if you so desire) defused some of the insularity.

I also understand that outside of the Paris area, people are
less upset by French which is less than perfect.

The woman who was the desk clerk at the hotel at which I stayed
was from Britany, and had pretty good English, and also reasonable
Spanish, so sometimes a switching back and forth between the two
languages enabled a conversation which we could not have had in either
language alone. (And apparently, those from Brittany also suffer from
the inability to speak "perfect" French -- at least according to the
Parisians.).

A nurse at the hospital (the American Hospital in Paris) spoke
French and Spanish, but no English. That was sufficient.

A taxi driver spoke both French and Spanish, but no English.
Again, that was sufficient.

What a joke!

In both Ecuador and El Salvador, people were *thrilled* that I
would attempt Spanish, even though it was far from perfect. I had no
advance warning about the trip which landed me in Paris, and the
official plan for it was for me to simply change planes in Paris, until
My mother wound up with a relapse on the flight from Cairo to Paris, so
the hospital stay became necessary. And I doubt that I could have
learned enough French even in a two week crash course (had there even
been time for that) to handle my needs.

But -- Spanish is similar enough to French (both derived from
Latin), that I was sometime able to recognize a word, either spoken or
printed on a sign (but seldom both for the same word) so I had a bit of
help there.

I was in regular phone conversation with my wife back in the US,
and she had grown up in a French Canadian family, and had visited Paris
prior to our getting together. She was able to suggest words which
would help me to order food, and to recognize places were food could be
purchased.

And -- of course, the big Financial places like American Express
and the travel places (e.g. TWA) would have at least one person who
could speak English.

Yes -- I would have been more comfortable if I had a working
knowledge of the language, even if I were to be snubbed when I
attempted to speak it, but I was able to manage.

FWIW I had studied Spanish because I grew up in South Texas, where
there was a lot of Spanish spoken, so I had developed an ear
for it, even without knowing what was being said. As it turned
out, I also had a friend whose father was in the Diplomatic
Corps, and who had spent a lot of time in various
Spanish-speaking countries, so we were able to use Spanish
between us (including to keep my younger brother from
understanding when he would eavesdrop on a phone call). This
gave me enough practice so I was able to retain a lot of it.

In contrast, when I took German in college, I had no one which
whom I could use it, so it has almost all faded away.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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In article ,
Gil HASH wrote:


How easy is it to own metalworking equipment in France? It
*might* be that the lack of a similar newsgroup or mailing list reflects
the difficulty of becoming a metalworking hobbyist in France. (I have
read of similar difficulties in Germany.)

Then again, I see from your .sig block that you are not *in*
France, so you might not know the answer to this question.)


Hello Don
I'm living in a french oversea country beetween madagascar and Mauritius
island

And, according to my wife, it is a volcanic island. Hopefully
it will remain inactive while you are there.

In france there is no problem to get a metalworking equipement
but in reunion island : it's quite impossible
with 12000 kilometers (in a strait line) from France everything turn to be
difficult
By plane the shipping price is more than expensive for equipements witch
weight is over 250 Kg

I can imagine that. Have you looked into the costs of shipping
by sea? That might be more affordable, if significantly slower.

There is no local reseller from any of the well known factories
I am an hobbyist, what in french, we call a "bricoleur"

My wife found that word unfamiliar, so she went to a dictionary
which she keeps handy, and that suggested "handyman" as the English
translation. A subtle difference, but it suggests that you will need
the ability to use these tools sooner rather than later.

doing some little
thing but wanting to do some things more difficult

I can understand that. It is very frustrating to not be able
to do something because of a lack of the proper tools.

My first idea was to buy a micro lathe and a mini drill, but damned, I was
astonished by the prices
A mini drill and a mini lathe are more expensive than a medium manual drill
and lathe with their standart accessories

That could be because fewer of them are sold -- especially in
the markets in which you are looking.

Have you compared the prices at the various US sellers? (Ones
like Harbor Freight maintain web sales sites which should allow you to
check their prices, at least.)

However, for shipping, perhaps Australia would be your best bet.
They tend to have a lot of the same Chinese and Taiwanese machines which
are sold by US vendors like Harbor Freight, and the shipping cost to you
would probably be less. I don't know what the exchange rate would be
like.

My wife suggested South Africa, but we have had posters here who
have had problems getting machine tools -- other than used ones imported
from the UK some years before.

I don't know whether you care whether the tools are calibrated
in Imperial units (inches and thousandths), or metric units (mm and
hundredths). That might determine where you buy, because the Australian
ones would be more likely to be Metric, while most in the US are
Imperial.

My next idea was to try buy one drill and one lathe from France, my third
idea was to buy them directly from Singapour or one other eastern country
In any case I stopped my dream with the amount of shipping and to find a
trading agent
The next idea was to buy a drill and use it like a mill
The previous posts upon the subject were precious for understanding that I
was in wrong
(I loosed my chuck falling down every minute but I was thinking than the
chuck was bad)

You are lucky that the chuck did not chase you around the room
with a sharp cutter mounted. Others have had that experience.

What a curse to be in a charming island with a lot of sun but far from
anywhere ,-)

I would be very frustrated. Or -- I probably would re-focus my
interests onto more affordable hobbies. Photography -- especially
digital photography with today's digital SLR cameras, involves fewer
expensive purchases overall, (though the first few are killers), and the
weight is minimal.

Of course, you *could* try the series of books by Gingery
dealing with building your own machine shop from scratch. They start
with teaching you to melt and cast scrap aluminum, and to use that to
build machine tools, starting with a lathe. It would be some time
before you had a lathe or a milling machine (they also teach how to
build a shaper), but he shipping costs would be minimal. Paper weighs a
lot less than sufficient cast iron to make the tools which you need.

Is there a classified ads section in your local newspaper? Is
there a possibility that someone else may already have such tools and be
looking to sell them (perhaps after moving up to a larger version)?

Given the shipping costs, perhaps a 3-in-1 tool (lathe, drill
press, and mill) would be a better choice for you, in spite of the known
problems with such machines. At least, you would be paying only once.
(Though most who have started with a 3-in-1 machine have moved on to
separate machines after a while.

Best of luck,
DoN.
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
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Given the shipping costs, perhaps a 3-in-1 tool (lathe, drill
press, and mill) would be a better choice for you, in spite of the known
problems with such machines. At least, you would be paying only once.
(Though most who have started with a 3-in-1 machine have moved on to
separate machines after a while.

Best of luck,
DoN.

Brilliant! In spite of my dislike for such tools, this is a classic example
of where one might benefit by owning one. I heartily endorse the idea.

Harold

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. ..

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message Did anyone
on
the group watch SOAP when it was on the air? It was,
without a doubt, one of the funniest sitcoms to hit the air--------but
if
you didn't watch it long enough to figure out what it was up to, it was
stupid and offensive. Sometimes you have to give things a little
time
before making a decision.

Harold

Herold, most people think I'm stupid and offensive right away! Soon
after,
I remove all doubt.

Chuckle! What was that saying------It's better to be thought a full than
to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

I don't care what you say, Tom. I think you're Ok. A little tight with
the
freebie brushes, maybe, but Ok. g

Harold


I owe you big time over the years, what do you use? Send me a ship-to
address and I can remidy your brush needs!

Reversing a wheel is the first step to the trash but then the brush was
misused anyway. As soon as the wire starts to lay down, it is no longer a
cutting tool but now a burnishing tool. So, the operator just naturally
applies more pressure. A slippery slope to the trash. Try and find the
right mix of speed, wire dia., wire length and wire alloy. There's the
rub, that's a lot of variables so you compromise with a sacrificial general
purpose brush. That's ok. In another world, a process needs to get "X"
number of parts done with a brush before shut down and brush change. That's
where fine tuning the brush variables pays off.

All wire brushes, power and hand, the sharp corners on the ends of the wire
do the work. As the work is done the edges become rounded and the cutting
action changes. Thus if the wire ends are ground square again before the
slippery slope, the brush will do more, consistent work with less energy.
So, sharpen your brushes or buy a lot of new ones! Sound advise, but some
people think I'm being smart-assed.

Just don't tell anybody!



"John Martin" wrote in message
oups.com...

Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote:
Everybody knows that wire brushes get dull
quickly and must be resharpened by a pro or use new ones frequently.


Tom:

How about some info on the resharpening? I reverse the reversible ones
and have occasionally run a hand stone lightly against one before
reversing, but I'm guessing there's more to it than that.

John Martin

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. ..

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message Did
anyone
on
the group watch SOAP when it was on the air? It was,
without a doubt, one of the funniest sitcoms to hit the
air--------but
if
you didn't watch it long enough to figure out what it was up to, it
was
stupid and offensive. Sometimes you have to give things a little
time
before making a decision.

Harold

Herold, most people think I'm stupid and offensive right away! Soon
after,
I remove all doubt.

Chuckle! What was that saying------It's better to be thought a full
than
to open your mouth and remove all doubt?

I don't care what you say, Tom. I think you're Ok. A little tight with
the
freebie brushes, maybe, but Ok. g

Harold


I owe you big time over the years, what do you use? Send me a ship-to
address and I can remidy your brush needs!



See? He's all heart!

Thanks, Tom, but each of us brings something to the table and I can't help
but think that we're about even. Beyond that, I can't stand folks that take
advantage of others.

It is fun jerking your chain, though! g

Tell you what I'll do. When I'm finished building the house and I'm in the
shop doing something constructive, I'll let you know what I can use and I'll
buy them from you. I've always had a curiosity about your brushes.

Be well,

Harold