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OT - Blue & Red
In article , Gunner says...
We'll take Wal-Mart ... Sounds good to me. You also have to take Intelligent Design along with that. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article R41ze.142208$nG6.104427@attbi_s22, ___________ says...
Turn your jealous anger into terrorist-killin' resolve: Enlist in the Army. Bush needs more cannon fodder. But NOT, repeat, NOT if you are George Pataki's son, who actually did ROTC training in the US Marines. If your are the gov's son then you have your dad (who's a big-time supporter of the dweeb's war) pull to get you a deferment so you can go to law school. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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I am sure the RED counties in your state will have a lot to say about
that!!! Those of you that like to re-hash this seem to forget that a better show of your blueness is a breakdown by county! http://photos1.blogger.com/img/213/2068/640/county.jpg Move along now! It's all just red and blue to alotta people, and I know you red county types that would be bankrupt without federal assistance love your little map, but it's really more like: http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/ Sheesh. Liberal spin, trying to blur election results. We don't elect purple candidates. We elect winners, and the losers seek alternate employment. That's a black/white concept foreign to liberals. Those counties are red or blue, because either a Rep or a Dem won. They did not form a Purple Coalition. And by the way, when Nuevo Laredo is attacked by whatever bad guys perceive your weakness, don't call us to save your asses. |
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Sign me up
- - Rex Burkheimer Fort Worth TX Emmo wrote: Of course, once a secession movement starts, I believe the Republic of Texas will choose to secede from both the blues _and_ the reds, and once again take our rightful place as a sovereign nation, bigger than France... I think it is remarkable that the Dallas/Ft Worth airport is larger than the island of Manhattan... Texas is _already_ like a whole other country... wrote in message oups.com... Go right ahead and secede. Just realize that there won't be any more federal taxpayer aid coming to subsidize your idiocy of building - and rebuilding - on earthquake faults, in brushfire zones, and on mudslide areas. Just realize that there just won't be any more fuel and power going your way from Red Nation at artificially-low Washington-set prices that rip us off to make the airconditioning that makes Los Angeles even liveable affordable. Expect your power and natural gas bills to quadruple. Browse this gun show for FREE! Shop the http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:07:22 -0500, the opaque Rex B
clearly wrote: someone said: It's all just red and blue to alotta people, and I know you red county types that would be bankrupt without federal assistance love your little map, but it's really more like: http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/ Sheesh. Liberal spin, trying to blur election results. We don't elect purple candidates. We elect winners, and the losers seek alternate employment. That's a black/white concept foreign to liberals. Those counties are red or blue, because either a Rep or a Dem won. They did not form a Purple Coalition. That map is an honest representation of voters in the USA, Rex. I'll guarantee that you can't tell me that your entire city or county voted Rep across the board. Although elections are win/lose, actual voting is by percentage. That map shows the blend and is valid. I still think we should boycott both Reps and Dems. - Better Living Through Denial ------------ http://diversify.com Dynamic Websites, PHP Apps, MySQL databases |
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In article , Gunner says...
Damned shame that once we stop paying for your mandates and entitlements, Like the how-many-billion dollar war in Iraq? I think that's probably the biggest unfunded mandate that ever existed. Oh well, at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Emmo" wrote:
Of course, once a secession movement starts, I believe the Republic of Texas will choose to secede from both the blues _and_ the reds, and once again take our rightful place as a sovereign nation, bigger than France... I think it is remarkable that the Dallas/Ft Worth airport is larger than the island of Manhattan... Texas is _already_ like a whole other country... Good idea. Remove the only inhibition keeping decent folk from declaring war on you *******s. Lot's of folks would rather not see a Texas Truck license plate ever again. And NM gets west of the Pecos, El Paso gets burned to the ground. Texas.... ptooie! Gio |
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On 7 Jul 2005 10:07:29 -0700, the opaque jim rozen
clearly wrote: In article , Gunner says... Damned shame that once we stop paying for your mandates and entitlements, Like the how-many-billion dollar war in Iraq? I think that's probably the biggest unfunded mandate that ever existed. Oh well, at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? Iraq, too, huh? - Press HERE to arm. (Release to detonate.) ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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Gio Medici wrote:
Of course, once a secession movement starts, I believe the Republic of Texas will choose to secede from both the blues _and_ the reds, and once again take our rightful place as a sovereign nation, bigger than France... I think it is remarkable that the Dallas/Ft Worth airport is larger than the island of Manhattan... Texas is _already_ like a whole other country... Good idea. Remove the only inhibition keeping decent folk from declaring war on you *******s. Lot's of folks would rather not see a Texas Truck license plate ever again. And NM gets west of the Pecos, El Paso gets burned to the ground. Texas.... ptooie! Gio Get a rope! |
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On 7 Jul 2005 10:07:29 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says... Damned shame that once we stop paying for your mandates and entitlements, Like the how-many-billion dollar war in Iraq? I think that's probably the biggest unfunded mandate that ever existed. Oh well, at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? That's beneath even you, Jim. |
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In article , Dave Hinz says...
... at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? That's beneath even you, Jim. You miss the point - the present administration's war in iraq does *nothing* to prevent that sort of thing. Nothing. Whatsoever. At. All. And it costs the country billions of dollars while failing utterly. It's a classic. You have Karl Rove whining about how liberals are so awful, and committing treason in the very next (or was it previous) breath. Let's all go and find some nail clippers in the carryon baggage and then pat ourselves on the back that we've eliminated terrorism. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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The Wall Street Journal recently had an article on how the airport
security is not uniform. Some airports have much higher rates of seized items. A sideline article was on things being sold on various sites. Ebay was just one of the sites. It suggested you could find items seized and being auctioned on ebay by searching on NTSA. I did that and found much of what you might expect. However I was surprised to find two lots of money clips being autioned as seized items. I think that pencils are more dangerous. Dan jim rozen wrote: Let's all go and find some nail clippers in the carryon baggage and then pat ourselves on the back that we've eliminated terrorism. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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This weekend those f*cking TSA fools took my tiny little cuticle scissors,
but let my sister keep her #15 foot long knitting needles... Our government at work... So stupid it makes me ill... wrote in message oups.com... The Wall Street Journal recently had an article on how the airport security is not uniform. Some airports have much higher rates of seized items. A sideline article was on things being sold on various sites. Ebay was just one of the sites. It suggested you could find items seized and being auctioned on ebay by searching on NTSA. I did that and found much of what you might expect. However I was surprised to find two lots of money clips being autioned as seized items. I think that pencils are more dangerous. Dan jim rozen wrote: Let's all go and find some nail clippers in the carryon baggage and then pat ourselves on the back that we've eliminated terrorism. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Cliff wrote:
[ Dear Red States: We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. Good luck with that! BTW, you're not going to be asking for help when you're invaded by some rinkydink country that realizes you have lots of riches and no will to defend them, are you? You could always ask the UN for help, look what that has done for Africa, etc. Oops, how forgetful of me, I'm replying to a poorly written piece of software, which means the response to this will refer to wingers and/or neocons, of which I am neither, by your own definitions. David |
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On 7 Jul 2005 10:07:29 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Damned shame that once we stop paying for your mandates and entitlements, Like the how-many-billion dollar war in Iraq? I think that's probably the biggest unfunded mandate that ever existed. Oh well, at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? Jim Nice segway Jim. Once again you avoid the hard questions. Now Jim..was it Bush or the Jews that are responsible for the London bombing? Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On 7 Jul 2005 15:36:19 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Dave Hinz says... ... at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? That's beneath even you, Jim. You miss the point - the present administration's war in iraq does *nothing* to prevent that sort of thing. Nothing. Whatsoever. At. All. Havent flown or traveled by train or bus recently, have you? Btw..what do you think is the proper way to prevent this sort of thing? Be specific and use as many bytes as necessary. Ill be taking notes. And it costs the country billions of dollars while failing utterly. It's a classic. You have Karl Rove whining about how liberals are so awful, and committing treason in the very next (or was it previous) breath. Not true. And speaking of treason...how are you Anti-Bush and anti-war types doing about the terrorists? Let's all go and find some nail clippers in the carryon baggage and then pat ourselves on the back that we've eliminated terrorism. Only the touchy feely Leftists would consider there to be anything resembling "safety" in any place outside of a police state. Gunner Jim "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:35:29 GMT, "Emmo" wrote:
This weekend those f*cking TSA fools took my tiny little cuticle scissors, but let my sister keep her #15 foot long knitting needles... Our government at work... So stupid it makes me ill... So do like the rest of us do..drive or take the bus/train. Btw..Ill ask you also..what are the best steps to prevent terrorism and bombings? Gunner wrote in message roups.com... The Wall Street Journal recently had an article on how the airport security is not uniform. Some airports have much higher rates of seized items. A sideline article was on things being sold on various sites. Ebay was just one of the sites. It suggested you could find items seized and being auctioned on ebay by searching on NTSA. I did that and found much of what you might expect. However I was surprised to find two lots of money clips being autioned as seized items. I think that pencils are more dangerous. Dan jim rozen wrote: Let's all go and find some nail clippers in the carryon baggage and then pat ourselves on the back that we've eliminated terrorism. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:50:44 GMT, the opaque Gunner
clearly wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:35:29 GMT, "Emmo" wrote: This weekend those f*cking TSA fools took my tiny little cuticle scissors, but let my sister keep her #15 foot long knitting needles... Our government at work... So stupid it makes me ill... So do like the rest of us do..drive or take the bus/train. Btw..Ill ask you also..what are the best steps to prevent terrorism and bombings? Be alert. FACT: There is no way to stop a terrorist (Int'l or domestic, as the DC sniper proved) other than blind luck and some watchfulness. Hence, most terrorists aren't/won't be caught. It's like trying to control nature's chaos: Ain't gonna happen and we're damned fools to even try. (If it were bucks out of Shrub's pocket, he'd show you how important it was to him by immediately cancelling all of it.) Anti-terrorist Orgs seem to be about as effective as the War on Drugs. What do they catch, 5% or so? At a cost of billions. Brilliant. If condoms had as many holes, we be waist deep in babies. sigh Here's how I'm staying more alert nowadays: http://diversify.com/20yeartoken/ - Press HERE to arm. (Release to detonate.) ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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In article , Gunner says...
Not true. And speaking of treason...how are you Anti-Bush and anti-war types doing about the terrorists? We're responding to the present administration's demand for more money for their unfunded mandate to conduct a useless war that nobody wants and apparently produces no meaningful results. Gunner, reality check time here. How long did it take to win the war against japan which started at Pearl Harbor? How long has it been since Bin Laden blew up the WTC? Think about it. Our country mobilized after the depression, organized and defeated japan in LESS time than it took our present government to do what? NOT FIND one guy who blew up our country. That's pathetic. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 7 Jul 2005 15:36:19 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says... ... at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? That's beneath even you, Jim. You miss the point - the present administration's war in iraq does *nothing* to prevent that sort of thing. And that's the only action that the present administration is taking, Jim? Nothing. Whatsoever. At. All. Your enter, shift, and caps keys seem to be stuck or something. And it costs the country billions of dollars while failing utterly. It's a classic. You have Karl Rove whining about how liberals are so awful, You know, it's funny. I _still_ wouldn't know that there is something called Karl Rove, if not for people like you who go on and on and on about him. Let's all go and find some nail clippers in the carryon baggage and then pat ourselves on the back that we've eliminated terrorism. You really expect the administration to announce all of their efforts to you, Jim? News flash: terrorists get CNN, too. |
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On 8 Jul 2005 07:30:29 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says... Not true. And speaking of treason...how are you Anti-Bush and anti-war types doing about the terrorists? We're responding to the present administration's demand for more money for their unfunded mandate to conduct a useless war that nobody wants and apparently produces no meaningful results. That'd be the "war that nobody wants" that congress approved, you mean? How long has it been since Bin Laden blew up the WTC? I assume that's a rhetorical question? Think about it. Our country mobilized after the depression, organized and defeated japan in LESS time than it took our present government to do what? NOT FIND one guy who blew up our country. Um. Jim. It was pretty easy to find the Japanese military, they were spread out over a pretty big area after all, and they announced their presence by doing things like, you know, shooting and stuff. That's pathetic. What's more pathetic is that you think that one person makes all of an organization. We're not even sure if this event is related to OBL and/or AQ, unless something came out overnight that I haven't seen. In any case, by putting pressure on the guy (if he's not a dried smudge in a cave somewhere by now), he's on the move, on the run, and less effective than if he was sitting in a friendly Afghanistan with the taliban still in power. Funny - if that soldier had just dropped a grenade in SH's spider hole, we never would have captured him alive either; we'd think he was still out there or maybe dead. And funny how not catching SH went from a "major failure" before he was found, to "the wrong target" once he was found. |
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jim rozen wrote:
... at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? You miss the point - the present administration's war in iraq does *nothing* to prevent that sort of thing. I think there is real value in pulling aspiring terrorists into Irag where we have people trained to deal with them. I would rather soldiers fought them there, than have civilians attacked here. Sure, we can't isolate them to Iraq, but it seems to be keeping thousands of them pretty busy. At least until a bullet finds them. Considering how badly the AQ would like to follow up on 9/11, and haven't, I'd say someone is doing something right. One of the talking heads last night, a Brit, commented that the reason Britain is more vulnerable than the US is that they do not have tools like the Patriot Act to help them find these people before they act. |
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In article ,
Gunner wrote: On 7 Jul 2005 15:36:19 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Dave Hinz says... ... at least it eliminated terrorism in London, right? That's beneath even you, Jim. You miss the point - the present administration's war in iraq does *nothing* to prevent that sort of thing. Nothing. Whatsoever. At. All. Havent flown or traveled by train or bus recently, have you? Not through Iraq. Btw..what do you think is the proper way to prevent this sort of thing? Diplomacy. We're nice to the Canadians, so they don't try to hurt us. Call it a wild idea, but I think if we'd stop blowing up people in the Middle East, stop ****ing with their governments, and stop threatening them with all kinds of trade sanctions the population at large would be far less likely to attack us and far more likely to help us find any actual terrorists that may stick around. Be specific and use as many bytes as necessary. Ill be taking notes. And it costs the country billions of dollars while failing utterly. It's a classic. You have Karl Rove whining about how liberals are so awful, and committing treason in the very next (or was it previous) breath. Not true. And speaking of treason...how are you Anti-Bush and anti-war types doing about the terrorists? Nothing--we can't. The republican nutjobs have pretty much total control of the US and therefore are the source of all the current massive ****ups unfolding all of the US and Iraq. Congrats. Let's all go and find some nail clippers in the carryon baggage and then pat ourselves on the back that we've eliminated terrorism. Only the touchy feely Leftists would consider there to be anything resembling "safety" in any place outside of a police state. Get used to the idea that people are going to get killed--has happened ever since the beginning of history, and probably since far before that. Traditionally, the easiest way to keep yourself from getting killed is to just make friends with everyone around you. Easy and cheap and comes with a lot of fringe benefits. OTOH, beating down everyone who might become a threat has never worked for long. Eventually people get tired of it and fight back. Even those who don't want to fight against you also won't want to help. Terrorism breeds pretty quickly in that sort of environment. In the end, people get killed anyway, the only difference is that their lives sucked before they died in a police state. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:40:44 -0500, B.B. u wrote:
Diplomacy. We're nice to the Canadians, so they don't try to hurt us. There's also a bit of a military imbalance between the US and Canada which might enter into it if they decided to be a problem, isn't there? Call it a wild idea, but I think if we'd stop blowing up people in the Middle East, stop ****ing with their governments, and stop threatening them with all kinds of trade sanctions the population at large would be far less likely to attack us and far more likely to help us find any actual terrorists that may stick around. That's a _great_ idea. No, really. Let's all just give the terrorists a big hug, and maybe they'll be nice to us. Yeah, that's it. Or maybe, they'd see it as an act of cowardice and weakness, just like they saw all of Clinton's useless responses to the increasing level of terrorist actions during his tenure. Had he responded strongly, they wouldn't have escalated. Not true. And speaking of treason...how are you Anti-Bush and anti-war types doing about the terrorists? Nothing--we can't. Really? Nothing at all? The republican nutjobs have pretty much total control of the US and therefore are the source of all the current massive ****ups unfolding all of the US and Iraq. Congrats. Tell me again how that congressional vote worked, please, you know, the one to take action in Iraq? I seem to recall that a few people on the blue side of the aisle voted for it too... and do you need to see the quotes again? Only the touchy feely Leftists would consider there to be anything resembling "safety" in any place outside of a police state. Get used to the idea that people are going to get killed--has happened ever since the beginning of history, and probably since far before that. Traditionally, the easiest way to keep yourself from getting killed is to just make friends with everyone around you. Or, to have a bigger stick than the gorilla who is trying to steal your stuff or kill you. Easy and cheap and comes with a lot of fringe benefits. Yeah, except it's naiive to think that if we're just friendly that they'll stop attacking us. Dangerously naiive. OTOH, beating down everyone who might become a threat has never worked for long. Eventually people get tired of it and fight back. And yet, when we do that to the terrorists, you want us to stop so we can have a group-hug. Even those who don't want to fight against you also won't want to help. Terrorism breeds pretty quickly in that sort of environment. In the end, people get killed anyway, the only difference is that their lives sucked before they died in a police state. And who do you feel lives in a police state, exactly? |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:54:45 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:50:44 GMT, the opaque Gunner clearly wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:35:29 GMT, "Emmo" wrote: This weekend those f*cking TSA fools took my tiny little cuticle scissors, but let my sister keep her #15 foot long knitting needles... Our government at work... So stupid it makes me ill... So do like the rest of us do..drive or take the bus/train. Btw..Ill ask you also..what are the best steps to prevent terrorism and bombings? Be alert. FACT: There is no way to stop a terrorist (Int'l or domestic, as the DC sniper proved) other than blind luck and some watchfulness. Hence, most terrorists aren't/won't be caught. It's like trying to control nature's chaos: Ain't gonna happen and we're damned fools to even try. (If it were bucks out of Shrub's pocket, he'd show you how important it was to him by immediately cancelling all of it.) Anti-terrorist Orgs seem to be about as effective as the War on Drugs. What do they catch, 5% or so? At a cost of billions. Brilliant. If condoms had as many holes, we be waist deep in babies. sigh Pretty much the case. But if he did nothing, the Leftists would be screaming and moaning...hummmm he has done much...and the Leftists are still screaming and moaning. They cannot seem to get it through their little pointed heads that nothing will deter a determined attacker. Except killing the attacker before he gets on your trail. An ardent Leftie I know some years ago took this tack. He claimed he could remain safe from me..so after a sporting bet, the game was on. Fixing a rifle scope to a 35 mm camera..I stalked him at odd times for 3 weeks, taking pictures of the cross hairs superimposed on his skull. About a whole roll of 36 of them. At no time did he know I was there. (The dude had at the time, the survival instincts of a lemming btw). The crowning photo was through his car window as his girlfriend was ah....servicing him in the middle of a parking lot. Head back, mouth open, eyes scrunched in orgasm..with the cross hairs in the middle of his forehead. I also took to dropping little notes where he could find them. Open the car..and the note BOOM! would be sitting on his front seat. Open the mailbox..and he would find BOOM! I paid the Pizza kid $5 to put one on the top of his pizza so he would find it when he opened it. Put one taped to the lid of his toilet so when he lifted the lid...there it was. Dick in one hand...and blown to pieces so to speak. He finally came to the realization NO ONE is safe from a determined attacker, unless he managed to kill the attacker first. Which is exactly what he did...put a BOOM on my front seat. We both got a big laugh out of it..and he got some wisdom. He also made a pretty good survivalist later on. The biggest issue I can see with the war on terror today, is we are not terminating the extremist Clerics and Mullahs. THEY are the ones keeping the pot stirred up. Here's how I'm staying more alert nowadays: http://diversify.com/20yeartoken/ Bravo!! My respects to you (in this regard so dont get a big headG) Gunner - Press HERE to arm. (Release to detonate.) ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On 8 Jul 2005 07:30:29 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Not true. And speaking of treason...how are you Anti-Bush and anti-war types doing about the terrorists? We're responding to the present administration's demand for more money for their unfunded mandate to conduct a useless war that nobody wants and apparently produces no meaningful results. useless war? Hummmm 50,000,000 people free from dictators, a growing democratic trend in one of the foremost trouble spots in the world, and the start of bringing a 12th century ideology into the 21st century? Odd..that would seem like quite an accomplishment to me. Gunner, reality check time here. How long did it take to win the war against japan which started at Pearl Harbor? 4 yrs, give or take, then an additional 7 yrs of occupation of a people accustomed to bowing to any authority figure, with a mandate from their God-King to behave. How long has it been since Bin Laden blew up the WTC? 4 yrs. give or take. Think about it. Our country mobilized after the depression, organized and defeated japan in LESS time than it took our present government to do what? NOT FIND one guy who blew up our country. Please point out the nation of Al-quida on the map. Btw..where is DB Cooper? How long was Eric Rudolph running around free in HIS OWN COUNTRY? That's pathetic. Jim Making the connection between WW2 and this kind of war..one no one has ever fought before, is whats pathetic, Jim. When Bush responded to the Al-Quada/militant Islamic fundimentalist threat..he said quite clearly that the war may take generations. Somehow you and the Left perceived this to mean "a short time" Why is your comprehension issue on this so poor? You are an apparently intelligent guy? Why are you so stupid on this? Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On 8 Jul 2005 15:17:56 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On 8 Jul 2005 07:30:29 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... Not true. And speaking of treason...how are you Anti-Bush and anti-war types doing about the terrorists? We're responding to the present administration's demand for more money for their unfunded mandate to conduct a useless war that nobody wants and apparently produces no meaningful results. That'd be the "war that nobody wants" that congress approved, you mean? How long has it been since Bin Laden blew up the WTC? I assume that's a rhetorical question? Think about it. Our country mobilized after the depression, organized and defeated japan in LESS time than it took our present government to do what? NOT FIND one guy who blew up our country. Um. Jim. It was pretty easy to find the Japanese military, they were spread out over a pretty big area after all, and they announced their presence by doing things like, you know, shooting and stuff. That's pathetic. What's more pathetic is that you think that one person makes all of an organization. We're not even sure if this event is related to OBL and/or AQ, unless something came out overnight that I haven't seen. In any case, by putting pressure on the guy (if he's not a dried smudge in a cave somewhere by now), he's on the move, on the run, and less effective than if he was sitting in a friendly Afghanistan with the taliban still in power. Funny - if that soldier had just dropped a grenade in SH's spider hole, we never would have captured him alive either; we'd think he was still out there or maybe dead. And funny how not catching SH went from a "major failure" before he was found, to "the wrong target" once he was found. "never going to be elections in Iraq" (which happened in less than two years) suddenly got changed to yada yada yada... All the Lefts predictions have turned out to be abject failures..so they have to keep changing the goal posts time and time again. Its what the Left does when they are no longer in control. Obstruct, demonize, balkanize, whimper and screech. They have nothing else. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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If I recall correctly Bush was not for establishing a new Federal civil
service department to handle security at airports. Congress is the one that did that. Senators are a little better than members of the house. The usual response of Congress is to pass another law or establish a new department. They seem to believe that doing something is seen to be better than not doing anything. And if the new law or department does not work, they think that they can not be blamed. Hey they just authorized it. They did not administrate it. Dan Larry Jaques wrote: (If it were bucks out of Shrub's pocket, he'd show you how important it was to him by immediately cancelling all of it.) Anti-terrorist Orgs seem to be about as effective as the War on Drugs. What do they catch, 5% or so? At a cost of billions. Brilliant. If condoms had as many holes, we be waist deep in babies. sigh Here's how I'm staying more alert nowadays: http://diversify.com/20yeartoken/ - Press HERE to arm. (Release to detonate.) ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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In article , Gunner says...
Making the connection between WW2 and this kind of war..one no one has ever fought before, is whats pathetic, Jim. No, making a connection between a terrorist who blew us up, and a war in a country that had nothing to do with that, is pathetic. As is, saying, "oh, we don't care about finding him after all." Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Dave Hinz says...
Yeah, except it's naiive to think that if we're just friendly that they'll stop attacking us. Dangerously naiive. Which is more dangerous, spending billions of dollars to get us to stop attacking us, or not spending the money to get them to stop attacking us? Because honestly the two approaches seem to have about the same effect. They're still attacking us. Our war has failed. A pragmatist would say why spend the money? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Btw..what do you think is the proper way to prevent this sort of thing? Diplomacy. We're nice to the Canadians, so they don't try to hurt us. Polyanna lives! Get used to the idea that people are going to get killed--has happened ever since the beginning of history, and probably since far before that. Traditionally, the easiest way to keep yourself from getting killed is to just make friends with everyone around you. Certainly worked well for Neville Chamberlain |
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On 8 Jul 2005 13:12:51 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gunner says... Making the connection between WW2 and this kind of war..one no one has ever fought before, is whats pathetic, Jim. No, making a connection between a terrorist who blew us up, and a war in a country that had nothing to do with that, is pathetic. As is, saying, "oh, we don't care about finding him after all." Can you provide a cite for the quote you just made please? Or, maybe you're paraphrasing based on your own biases? |
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On 8 Jul 2005 13:15:34 -0700, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says... Yeah, except it's naiive to think that if we're just friendly that they'll stop attacking us. Dangerously naiive. Which is more dangerous, spending billions of dollars to get us to stop attacking us, or not spending the money to get them to stop attacking us? Because each approach that doesn't completely fix the problem is equal, is that it? Because honestly the two approaches seem to have about the same effect. They're still attacking us. Our war has failed. Has it? Where is the followup attack to 9/11 in the US? A pragmatist would say why spend the money? It's impossible to prove either way if the money and efforts have prevented the attacks that haven't happened. Logic indicates that if they didn't like us before, and we made their life harder, they still don't like us. Since they still don't like us, maybe more than before, and they haven't attacked us again, maybe we've prevented incidents. I don't believe that we've been told about all of the intelligence that has been gathered, or the efforts being undertaken, nor do I think we _should_ be informed of those things. |
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:40:44 -0500, "B.B."
u wrote: Diplomacy. We're nice to the Canadians, so they don't try to hurt us. Call it a wild idea, but I think if we'd stop blowing up people in the Middle East, stop ****ing with their governments, and stop threatening them with all kinds of trade sanctions the population at large would be far less likely to attack us and far more likely to help us find any actual terrorists that may stick around. Lets see again, what you Leftist fringe kooks and terrorist supporters are claiming the US/Bush etc etc is responsible for, shall we? Below are only attacks committed by Islamic extremists...... If you would like, Id be happy to reinsert those attacks by drug cartels, communists and so forth...however the list gets quite large.... Attack on the Munich Airport, February 10, 1970: Three terrorists attacked El Al passengers in a bus at the Munich Airport with guns and grenades. One passenger was killed and 11 were injured. All three terrorists were captured by airport police. The Action Organization for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack. Munich Olympic Massacre, September 5, 1972: Eight Palestinian "Black September" terrorists seized eleven Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany. In a bungled rescue attempt by West German authorities, nine of the hostages and five terrorists were killed. Ambassador to Sudan Assassinated, March 2, 1973: U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel and other diplomats were assassinated at the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum by members of the Black September organization. Attack and Hijacking at the Rome Airport, December 17, 1973: Five terrorists pulled weapons from their luggage in the terminal lounge at the Rome airport, killing two persons. They then attacked a Pan American 707 bound for Beirut and Tehran, destroying it with incendiary grenades and killing 29 persons, including 4 senior Moroccan officials and 14 American employees of ARAMCO. They then herded 5 Italian hostages into a Lufthansa airliner and killed an Italian customs agent as he tried to escape, after which they forced the pilot to fly to Beirut. After Lebanese authorities refused to let the plane land, it landed in Athens, where the terrorists demanded the release of 2 Arab terrorists. In order to make Greek authorities comply with their demands, the terrorists killed a hostage and threw his body onto the tarmac. The plane then flew to Damascus, where it stopped for two hours to obtain fuel and food. It then flew to Kuwait, where the terrorists released their hostages in return for passage to an unknown destination. The Palestine Liberation Organization disavowed the attack, and no group claimed responsibility for it. Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976: Members of the Baader-Meinhof Group and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized an Air France airliner and its 258 passengers. They forced the plane to land in Uganda. On July 3 Israeli commandos successfully rescued the passengers. Ambassador to Afghanistan Assassinated, February 14, 1979: Four Afghans kidnapped U.S. Ambassador Adolph Dubs in Kabul and demanded the release of various "religious figures." Dubs was killed, along with four alleged terrorists, when Afghan police stormed the hotel room where he was being held. Iran Hostage Crisis, November 4, 1979: After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the US, Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981. Grand Mosque Seizure, November 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded. Assassination of Egyptian President, October 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review. Assassination of Lebanese President, September 14, 1982: President Bashir Gemayel was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party’s Beirut headquarters. 1983 Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA’s Middle East director, were killed and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, October 23, 1983: Simultaneous suicide truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the U.S. compound, killing 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. 1984 Kidnapping of Embassy Official, March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other U.S. citizens not connected to the U.S. government were seized over a succeeding two-year period. Restaurant Bombing in Spain, April 12, 1984: Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. 1985 TWA Hijacking, June 14, 1985: A Trans-World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for seventeen days, during which one American hostage, a U.S. Navy sailor, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners. Soviet Diplomats Kidnapped, September 30, 1985: In Beirut, Lebanon, Sunni terrorists kidnapped four Soviet diplomats. One was killed but three were later released. Achille Lauro Hijacking, October 7, 1985: Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized the Italian cruise liner in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered before the Egyptian government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages’ freedom. Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, November 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several U.S. citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal Group. Airport Attacks in Rome and Vienna, December 27, 1985: Four gunmen belonging to the Abu Nidal Organization attacked the El Al and Trans World Airlines ticket counters at Rome’s Leonardo da Vinci Airport with grenades and automatic rifles. Thirteen persons were killed and 75 were wounded before Italian police and Israeli security guards killed three of the gunmen and captured the fourth. Three more Abu Nidal gunmen attacked the El Al ticket counter at Vienna’s Schwechat Airport, killing three persons and wounding 30. Austrian police killed one of the gunmen and captured the others. 1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens airport, killing four U.S. citizens. Berlin Discothèque Bombing, April 5, 1986: Two U.S. soldiers were killed and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a nightclub in West Berlin, West Germany. In retaliation U.S. military jets bombed targets in and around Tripoli and Benghazi. 1987 1988 Kidnapping of William Higgins, February 17, 1988: U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon. Naples USO Attack, April 14, 1988: The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car-bomb outside a USO Club in Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor. Pan Am 103 Bombing, December 21, 1988: Pan American Airlines Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to have been placed on the aircraft by Libyan terrorists in Frankfurt, West Germany. All 259 people on board were killed. 1989 Bombing of UTA Flight 772, September 19, 1989: A bomb explosion destroyed UTA Flight 772 over the Sahara Desert in southern Niger during a flight from Brazzaville to Paris. All 170 persons aboard were killed. Six Libyans were later found guilty in absentia and sentenced to life imprisonment. 1990 1991 Attempted Iraqi Attacks on U.S. Posts, January 18-19, 1991: Iraqi agents planted bombs at the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia’s home residence and at the USIS library in Manila. Assassination of former Indian Prime Minister, May 21, 1991: A female member of the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) killed herself, Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, and 16 others by detonating an explosive vest after presenting a garland of flowers to the former Prime Minister during an election rally in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu. 1992 Bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17, 1992: Hizballah claimed responsibility for a blast that leveled the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, causing the deaths of 29 and wounding 242. 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, February 26, 1993: The World Trade Center in New York City was badly damaged when a car bomb planted by Islamic terrorists exploded in an underground garage. The bomb left 6 people dead and 1,000 injured. The men carrying out the attack were followers of Umar Abd al-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric who preached in the New York City area. Attempted Assassination of President Bush by Iraqi Agents, April 14, 1993: The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack 2 months later on the Iraqi capital Baghdad. 1994 Hebron Massacre, February 25, 1994: Jewish right-wing extremist and U.S. citizen Baruch Goldstein machine-gunned Moslem worshippers at a mosque in West Bank town of Hebron, killing 29 and wounding about 150. Air France Hijacking, December 24, 1994: Members of the Armed Islamic Group seized an Air France Flight to Algeria. The four terrorists were killed during a rescue effort. 1995 Attack on U.S. Diplomats in Pakistan, March 8, 1995: Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan. Kashmiri Hostage-taking, July 4, 1995: In India six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded. Jerusalem Bus Attack, August 21, 1995: HAMAS claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed 6 and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens. Attack on U.S. Embassy in Moscow, September 13, 1995: A rocket-propelled grenade was fired through the window of the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, ostensibly in retaliation for U.S. strikes on Serb positions in Bosnia. Saudi Military Installation Attack, November 13, 1995: The Islamic Movement of Change planted a bomb in a Riyadh military compound that killed one U.S. citizen, several foreign national employees of the U.S. government, and over 40 others. Egyptian Embassy Attack, November 19, 1995: A suicide bomber drove a vehicle into the Egyptian Embassy compound in Islamabad, Pakistan, killing at least 16 and injuring 60 persons. Three militant Islamic groups claimed responsibility. 1996 Tamil Tigers Attack, January 31, 1996: Members of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) rammed an explosives-laden truck into the Central Bank in the heart of downtown Colombo, Sri Lanka, killing 90 civilians and injuring more than 1,400 others, including 2 US citizens. Athens Embassy Attack, February 15, 1996: Unidentified assailants fired a rocket at the U.S. Embassy compound in Athens, causing minor damage to three diplomatic vehicles and some surrounding buildings. Circumstances of the attack suggested it was an operation carried out by the 17 November group. HAMAS Bus Attack, February 26, 1996: In Jerusalem, a suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens. Dizengoff Center Bombing, March 4, 1996: HAMAS and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including 2 U.S. citizens. West Bank Attack, May 13, 1996: Arab gunmen opened fire on a bus and a group of Yeshiva students near the Bet El settlement, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and wounding three Israelis. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but HAMAS was suspected. Zekharya Attack, June 9, 1996: Unidentified gunmen opened fire on a car near Zekharya, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and an Israeli. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was suspected. Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996: A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the US military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack. Bombing of Archbishop of Oran, August 1, 1996: A bomb exploded at the home of the French Archbishop of Oran, killing him and his chauffeur. The attack occurred after the Archbishop's meeting with the French Foreign Minister. The Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) is suspected. PUK Kidnapping, September 13, 1996: In Iraq, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) militants kidnapped four French workers for Pharmaciens Sans Frontieres, a Canadian United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) official, and two Iraqis. Paris Subway Explosion, December 3, 1996: A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train as it arrived at the Port Royal station, killing two French nationals, a Moroccan, and a Canadian, and injuring 86 persons. Among those injured were one U.S. citizen and a Canadian. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are suspected. 1997 Egyptian Letter Bombs, January 2-13, 1997: A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, New York City, London, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage. Tajik Hostage Abductions, February 4-17, 1997: Near Komsomolabad, Tajikistan, a paramilitary group led by Bakhrom Sodirov abducted four United Nations (UN) military observers. The victims included two Swiss, one Austrian, one Ukrainian, and their Tajik interpreter. The kidnappers demanded safe passage for their supporters from Afghanistan to Tajikistan. In four separate incidents occurring between Dushanbe and Garm, Bakhrom Sodirov and his group kidnapped two International Committee for the Red Cross members, four Russian journalists and their Tajik driver, four UNHCR members, and the Tajik Security Minister, Saidamir Zukhurov. Empire State Building Sniper Attack, February 23, 1997: A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine." Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, September 4, 1997: Three suicide bombers of HAMAS detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual U.S./Israeli citizen was among the dead, and 7 U.S. citizens were wounded. Yemeni Kidnappings, October 30, 1997: Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen sought the release of two fellow tribesmen who were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works projects they claim the government promised them. They released the hostage on November 27. Murder of U.S. Businessmen in Pakistan, November 12, 1997: Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia Action Committee also claimed responsibility. Tourist Killings in Egypt, November 17, 1997: Al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor. Thirty-four Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one French, one Colombian, a dual Bulgarian/British citizen, and four unidentified persons were among the dead. Twelve Swiss, two Japanese, two Germans, one French, and nine Egyptians were among the wounded. 1998 UN Observer Abductions, February 19, 1998: Armed supporters of late Georgian president Zviad Gamsakhurdia abducted four UN military observers from Sweden, Uruguay, and the Czech Republic. Somali Hostage-takings, April 15, 1998: Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu. The hostages included a U.S. citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a sub-clan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital. U.S. Embassy Bombings in East Africa, August 7, 1998: A bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 12 U.S. citizens, 32 Foreign Service Nationals (FSNs), and 247 Kenyan citizens. Approximately 5,000 Kenyans, 6 U.S. citizens, and 13 FSNs were injured. The U.S. Embassy building sustained extensive structural damage. Almost simultaneously, a bomb detonated outside the U.S. Embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 7 FSNs and 3 Tanzanian citizens, and injuring 1 U.S. citizen and 76 Tanzanians. The explosion caused major structural damage to the U.S. Embassy facility. The U.S. Government held Usama Bin Laden responsible. 1999 Angolan Aircraft Downing, January 2, 1999: A UN plane carrying one U.S. citizen, four Angolans, two Philippine nationals and one Namibian was shot down, according to a UN official. No deaths or injuries were reported. Angolan authorities blamed the attack on National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA) rebels. UNITA officials denied shooting down the plane. Greek Embassy Seizure, February 16, 1999: Kurdish protesters stormed and occupied the Greek Embassy in Vienna, taking the Greek Ambassador and six other persons hostage. Several hours later the protesters released the hostages and left the Embassy. The attack followed the Turkish Government's announcement of the successful capture of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Ocalan. Kurds also occupied Kenyan, Israeli, and other Greek diplomatic facilities in France, Holland, Switzerland, Britain, and Germany over the following days. Shell Platform Bombing, June 27, 1999: In Port Harcourt, Nigeria, armed youths stormed a Shell oil platform, kidnapping one U.S. citizen, one Nigerian national, and one Australian citizen, and causing undetermined damage. A group calling itself "Enough is Enough in the Niger River" claimed responsibility. Further seizures of oil facilities followed. AFRC Kidnappings, August 4, 1999: An Armed Forces Revolutionary Council (AFRC) faction kidnapped 33 UN representatives near Occra Hills, Sierra Leone. The hostages included one U.S. citizen, five British soldiers, one Canadian citizen, one representative from Ghana, one military officer from Russia, one officer from Kyrgystan, one officer from Zambia, one officer from Malaysia, a local Bishop, two UN officials, two local journalists, and 16 Sierra Leonean nationals. PLA Kidnapping, December 23, 1999: Colombian People’s Liberation Army (PLA) forces kidnapped a U.S. citizen in an unsuccessful ransoming effort. Indian Airlines Airbus Hijacking, December 24, 1999: Five militants hijacked a flight bound from Katmandu to New Delhi carrying 189 people. The plane and its passengers were released unharmed on December 31. 2000 Diplomatic Assassination in Greece, June 8, 2000: In Athens, Greece, two unidentified gunmen killed British Defense Attaché Stephen Saunders in an ambush. The Revolutionary Organization 17 November claimed responsibility. Kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan, August 12, 2000: In the Kara-Su Valley, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took four U.S. citizens hostage. The Americans escaped on August 12. Church Bombing in Tajikistan, October 1, 2000: Unidentified militants detonated two bombs in a Christian church in Dushanbe, killing seven persons and injuring 70 others. The church was founded by a Korean-born U.S. citizen, and most of those killed and wounded were Korean. No one claimed responsibility. Attack on U.S.S. Cole, October 12, 2000: In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Usama Bin Laden were suspected. Manila Bombing, December 30, 2000: A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. Embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible. 2001 Srinagar Airport Attack and Assassination Attempt, January 17, 2001: In India, six members of the Lashkar-e-Tayyba militant group were killed when they attempted to seize a local airport. Members of Hizbul Mujaheddin fired two rifle grenades at Farooq Abdullah, Chief Minister for Jammu and Kashmir. Two persons were wounded in the unsuccessful assassination attempt. Bush sworn into office for first term, on January 20, 2001 Suicide Bombing in Israel, March 4, 2001: A suicide bomb attack in Netanya killed 3 persons and wounded 65. HAMAS later claimed responsibility. Airliner Hijacking in Istanbul, March 15, 2001: Three Chechens hijacked a Russian airliner during a flight from Istanbul to Moscow and forced it to fly to Medina, Saudi Arabia. The plane carried 162 passengers and a crew of 12. After a 22-hour siege during which more than 40 passengers were released, Saudi security forces stormed the plane, killing a hijacker, a passenger, and a flight attendant. Bus Stop Bombing, April 22, 2001: A member of HAMAS detonated a bomb he was carrying near a bus stop in Kfar Siva, Israel, killing one person and injuring 60. Philippines Hostage Incident, May 27, 2001: Muslim Abu Sayyaf guerrillas seized 13 tourists and 3 staff members at a resort on Palawan Island and took their captives to Basilan Island. The captives included three U.S. citizens: Guellermo Sobero and missionaries Martin and Gracia Burnham. Philippine troops fought a series of battles with the guerrillas between June 1 and June 3 during which 9 hostages escaped and two were found dead. The guerrillas took additional hostages when they seized the hospital in the town of Lamitan. On June 12, Abu Sayyaf spokesman Abu Sabaya claimed that Sobero had been killed and beheaded; his body was found in October. The Burnhams remained in captivity until June 2002. Tel-Aviv Nightclub Bombing, June 1, 2001: HAMAS claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing of a popular Israeli nightclub that caused over 140 casualties. HAMAS Restaurant Bombing, August 9, 2001: A HAMAS-planted bomb detonated in a Jerusalem pizza restaurant, killing 15 people and wounding more than 90. The Israeli response included occupation of Orient House, the Palestine Liberation Organization’s political headquarters in East Jerusalem. Suicide Bombing in Israel, September 9, 2001: The first suicide bombing carried out by an Israeli Arab killed 3 persons in Nahariya. HAMAS claimed responsibility. Death of "the Lion of the Panjshir", September 9, 2001: Two suicide bombers fatally wounded Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance, which had opposed both the Soviet occupation and the post-Soviet Taliban government. The bombers posed as journalists and were apparently linked to al-Qaida. The Northern Alliance did not confirm Massoud’s death until September 15. Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Homeland, September 11, 2001: Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. The attacks killed 3,025 U.S. citizens and other nationals. President Bush and Cabinet officials indicated that Usama Bin Laden was the prime suspect and that they considered the United States in a state of war with international terrorism. In the aftermath of the attacks, the United States formed the Global Coalition Against Terrorism. Attack on the Jammu and Kashmir Legislature, October 1, 2001: After a suicide car bomber forced the gate of the state legislature in Srinagar, two gunmen entered the building and held off police for seven hours before being killed. Forty persons died in the incident. Jaish-e-Muhammad claimed responsibility. Assassination of an Israeli Cabinet Minister, October 17, 2001: A Palestinian gunman assassinated Israeli Minister of Tourism Rehavam Zeevi in the Jerusalem hotel where he was staying. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) claimed to have avenged the death of PFLP Mustafa Zubari. Attack on a Church in Pakistan, October 28, 2001: Six masked gunmen shot up a church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, killing 15 Pakistani Christians. No group claimed responsibility, although various militant Muslim groups were suspected. Suicide Bombings in Jerusalem, December 1, 2001: Two suicide bombers attacked a Jerusalem shopping mall, killing 10 persons and wounding 170. Suicide Bombing in Haifa, December 2, 2001: A suicide bomb attack aboard a bus in Haifa, Israel, killed 15 persons and wounded 40. HAMAS claimed responsibility for both this attack and those on December 1 to avenge the death of a HAMAS member at the hands of Israeli forces a week earlier. Attack on the Indian Parliament, December 13, 2001: Five gunmen attacked the Indian Parliament in New Delhi shortly after it had adjourned. Before security forces killed them, the attackers killed 6 security personnel and a gardener. Indian officials blamed Lashkar-e-Tayyiba and demanded that Pakistan crack down on it and on other Muslim separatist groups in Kashmir. 2002 Ambush on the West Bank, January 15, 2002: Palestinian militants fired on a vehicle in Beit Sahur, killing one passenger and wounding the other. The dead passenger claimed U.S. and Israeli citizenship. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Battalion claimed responsibility. Shooting Incident in Israel, January 17, 2002: A Palestinian gunman killed 6 persons and wounded 25 in Hadera, Israel, before being killed by Israeli police. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility as revenge for Israel’s killing of a leading member of the group. Drive-By Shooting at a U.S. Consulate, January 22, 2002: Armed militants on motorcycles fired on the U.S. Consulate in Calcutta, India, killing 5 Indian security personnel and wounding 13 others. The Harakat ul-Jihad-I-Islami and the Asif Raza Commandoes claimed responsibility. Indian police later killed two suspects, one of whom confessed to belonging to Lashkar-e-Tayyiba as he died. Bomb Explosion in Kashmir, January 22, 2002: A bomb exploded in a crowded retail district in Jammu, Kashmir, killing one person and injuring nine. No group claimed responsibility. Kidnapping of Daniel Pearl, January 23, 2002: Armed militants kidnapped Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Karachi, Pakistan. Pakistani authorities received a videotape on February 20 depicting Pearl’s murder. His grave was found near Karachi on May 16. Pakistani authorities arrested four suspects. Ringleader Ahmad Omar Saeed Sheikh claimed to have organized Pearl’s kidnapping to protest Pakistan’s subservience to the United States, and had belonged to Jaish-e-Muhammad, an Islamic separatist group in Kashmir. All four suspects were convicted on July 15. Saeed Sheikh was sentenced to death, the others to life imprisonment. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, January 27, 2002: A suicide bomb attack in Jerusalem killed one other person and wounded 100. The incident was the first suicide bombing made by a Palestinian woman. Suicide Bombing in the West Bank, February 16, 2002: A suicide bombing in an outdoor food court in Karmei Shomron killed 4 persons and wounded 27. Two of the dead and two of the wounded were U.S. citizens. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in the West Bank, March 7, 2002: A suicide bombing in a supermarket in the settlement of Ariel wounded 10 persons, one of whom was a U.S. citizen. The PFLP claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, March 9, 2002: A suicide bombing in a Jerusalem restaurant killed 11 persons and wounded 52, one of whom was a U.S. citizen. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility. Grenade Attack on a Church in Pakistan, March 17, 2002: Militants threw grenades into the Protestant International Church in Islamabad, Pakistan, during a service attended by diplomatic and local personnel. Five persons, two of them U.S. citizens, were killed and 46 were wounded. The dead Americans were State Department employee Barbara Green and her daughter Kristen Wormsley. Thirteen U.S. citizens were among the wounded. The Lashkar-e-Tayyiba group was suspected. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, March 21, 2002: A suicide bombing in Jerusalem killed 3 persons and wounded 86 more, including 2 U.S. citizens. The Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Israel, March 27, 2002: A suicide bombing in a noted restaurant in Netanya, Israel, killed 22 persons and wounded 140. One of the dead was a U.S. citizen. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) claimed responsibility. Temple Bombing in Kashmir, March 30, 2002: A bomb explosion at a Hindu temple in Jammu, Kashmir, killed 10 persons. The Islamic Front claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in the West Bank, March 31, 2002: A suicide bombing near an ambulance station in Efrat wounded four persons, including a U.S. citizen. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility. Armed attack on Kashmir, April 10, 2002: Armed militants attacked a residence in Gando, Kashmir, killing five persons and wounding four. No group claimed responsibility. Synagogue Bombing in Tunisia, April 11, 2002: A suicide bomber detonated a truck loaded with propane gas outside a historic synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia. The 16 dead included 11 Germans, one French citizen, and three Tunisians. Twenty-six German tourists were injured. The Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Sites claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, April 12, 2002: A female suicide bomber killed 6 persons in Jerusalem and wounded 90 others. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility. Car Bombing in Pakistan, May 8, 2002: A car bomb exploded near a Pakistani navy shuttle bus in Karachi, killing 12 persons and wounding 19. Eleven of the dead and 11 of the wounded were French nationals. Al-Qaida was suspected of the attack. Parade Bombing in Russia, May 9, 2002: A remotely-controlled bomb exploded near a May Day parade in Kaspiisk, Dagestan, killing 42 persons and wounding 150. Fourteen of the dead and 50 of the wounded were soldiers. Islamists linked to al-Qaida were suspected. Attack on a Bus in India, May 14, 2002: Militants fired on a passenger bus in Kaluchak, Jammu, killing 7 persons. They then entered a military housing complex and killed 3 soldiers and 7 military dependents before they were killed. The al-Mansooran and Jamiat ul-Mujahedin claimed responsibility. Bomb Attacks in Kashmir, May 17, 2002: A bomb explosion near a civil secretariat area in Srinagar, Kashmir, wounded 6 persons. In Jammu, a bomb exploded at a fire services headquarters, killing two and wounding 16. No group claimed responsibility for either attack. Hostage Rescue Attempt in the Philippines, June 7, 2002: Philippine Army troops attacked Abu Sayyaf terrorists on Mindanao Island in an attempt to rescue U.S. citizen Martin Burnham and his wife Gracia, who had been kidnapped more than a year ago. Burnham was killed but his wife, though wounded, was freed. A Filipino hostage was killed, as were four of the guerrillas. Seven soldiers were wounded. Car Bombing in Pakistan, June 14, 2002: A car bomb exploded near the U.S. Consulate and the Marriott Hotel in Karachi, Pakistan. Eleven persons were killed and 51 were sounded, including one U.S. and one Japanese citizen. Al Qaida and al-Qanin were suspected. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, June 19, 2002: A suicide bombing at a bus stop in Jerusalem killed 6 persons and wounded 43, including 2 U.S. citizens. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Tel Aviv, July 17, 2002: Two suicide bombers attacked the old bus station in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 5 persons and wounding 38. The dead included one Romanian and two Chinese; another Romanian was wounded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. Bombing at the Hebrew University, July 31, 2002: A bomb hidden in a bag in the Frank Sinatra International Student Center of Jerusalem’s Hebrew University killed 9 persons and wounded 87. The dead included 5 U.S. citizens and 4 Israelis. The wounded included 4 U.S. citizens, 2 Japanese, and 3 South Koreans. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Israel, August 4, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Safed, Israel, killed 9 persons and wounded 50. Two of the dead were Philippine citizens; many of the wounded were soldiers returning from leave. HAMAS claimed responsibility. Attack on a School in Pakistan, August 5, 2002: Gunmen attacked a Christian school attended by children of missionaries from around the world. Six persons (two security guards, a cook, a carpenter, a receptionist, and a private citizen) were killed and a Philippine citizen was wounded. A group called al-Intigami al-Pakistani claimed responsibility. Attack on Pilgrims in Kashmir, August 6, 2002: Armed militants attacked a group of Hindu pilgrims with guns and grenades in Pahalgam, Kashmir. Nine persons were killed and 32 were wounded. The Lashkar-e-Tayyiba claimed responsibility. Assassination in Kashmir, September 11, 2002: Gunmen killed Kashmir’s Law Minister Mushtaq Ahmed Lone and six security guards in Tikipora. Lashkar-e-Tayyiga, Jamiat ul-Mujahedin, and Hizb ul-Mujahedin all claimed responsibility. Other militants attacked the residence of the Minister of Tourism with grenades, injuring four persons. No group claimed responsibility. Ambush on the West Bank, September 18, 2002: Gunmen ambushed a vehicle on a road near Yahad, killing an Israeli and wounding a Romanian worker. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility. Suicide Bomb Attack in Israel, September 19, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Tel Aviv killed 6 persons and wounded 52. One of the dead was a British subject. HAMAS claimed responsibility. Attack on a French Tanker, October 6, 2002: An explosive-laden boat rammed the French oil tanker Limburg, which was anchored about 5 miles off al-Dhabbah, Yemen. One person was killed and 4 were wounded. Al-Qaida was suspected. Car Bomb Explosion in Bali, October 12, 2002: A car bomb exploded outside the Sari Club Discotheque in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia, killing 202 persons and wounding 300 more. Most of the casualties, including 88 of the dead, were Australian tourists. Seven Americans were among the dead. Al-Qaida claimed responsibility. Two suspects were later arrested and convicted. Iman Samudra, who had trained in Afghanistan with al-Qaeda and was suspected of belonging to Jemaah Islamiya, was sentenced to death on September 10, 2003. Chechen Rebels Seize a Moscow Theater, October 23-26, 2002: Fifty Chechen rebels led by Movsar Barayev seized the Palace of Culture Theater in Moscow, Russia, to demand an end to the war in Chechnya. They seized more than 800 hostages from 13 countries and threatened to blow up the theater. During a three-day siege, they killed a Russian policeman and five Russian hostages. On October 26, Russian Special Forces pumped an anesthetic gas through the ventilation system and then stormed the theater. All of the rebels were killed, but 94 hostages (including one American) also died, many from the effects of the gas. A group led by Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility. Assassination of an AID Official, October 28, 2002: Gunmen in Amman assassinated Laurence Foley, Executive Officer of the U.S. Agency for International Development Mission in Jordan. The Honest People of Jordan claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, November 21, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus on Mexico Street in Jerusalem killed 11 persons and wounded 50 more. One of the dead was a Romanian. HAMAS claimed responsibility. Attack on Temples in Kashmir, November 24, 2002: Armed militants attacked the Reghunath and Shiv temples in Jammu, Kashmir, killing 13 persons and wounding 50. The Lashkare-e-Tayyiba claimed responsibility. Attacks on Israeli Tourists in Kenya, November 28, 2002: A three-person suicide car bomb attack on the Paradise Hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 15 persons and wounded 40. Three of the dead and 18 of the wounded were Israeli tourists; the others were Kenyans. Near Mombasa’s airport, two SA-7 shoulder-fired missiles were fired as an Arkia Airlines Boeing 757 that was carrying 261 passengers back to Israel. Both missiles missed. Al-Qaida, the Government of Universal Palestine in Exile, and the Army of Palestine claimed responsibility for both attacks. Al-Ittihad al-Islami was also suspected of involvement. Attack on a Bus in the Philippines, December 26, 2002: Armed militants ambushed a bus carrying Filipino workers employed by the Canadian Toronto Ventures Inc. Pacific mining company in Zamboanga del Norte. Thirteen persons were killed and 10 wounded. Philippine authorities suspected the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), which had been extorting money from Toronto Ventures. The Catholic charity Caritas-Philippines said that Toronto Ventures had harassed tribesmen who opposed mining on their ancestral lands. Bombing of a Government Building in Chechnya, December 27, 2002: A suicide bomb attack involving two explosives-laden trucks destroyed the offices of the pro-Russian Chechen government in Grozny. The attack killed over 80 people and wounded 210. According to a Chechen website run by the Kavkaz Center, Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility. 2003 Suicide Bombings in Tel Aviv, January 5, 2003: Two suicide bomb attacks killed 22 and wounded at least 100 persons in Tel Aviv, Israel. Six of the victims were foreign workers. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility. Night Club Bombing in Colombia, February 7, 2003: A car bomb exploded outside a night club in Bogota, Colombia, killing 32 persons and wounding 160. No group claimed responsibility, but Colombian officials suspected the Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC) of committing the worst terrorist attack in the country in a decade. Assasination of a Kurdish Leader, February 8, 2003: Members of Ansar al-Islam assassinated Kurdish legislator Shawkat Haji Mushir and captured two other Kurdish officials in Qamash Tapa in northern Iraq. Suicide Bombing in Haifa, March 5, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Haifa, Israel, killed 15 persons and wounded at least 40. One of the dead claimed U.S. as well as Israeli citizenship. The bomber’s affiliation was not immediately known. Suicide Bombing in Netanya, March 30, 2003: A suicide bombing in a cafe in Netanya, Israel, wounded 38 persons. Only the bomber was killed. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility and called the attack a "gift" to the people of Iraq. Unsuccessful Hostage Rescue Attempt in Colombia, May 5, 2003: The FARC killed 10 hostages when Colombian special forces tried to rescue them from a jungle hideout near Urrao, in Colombia’s Antioquia State. The dead included Governor Guillermo Gavira and former Defense Minister Gilberto Echeverri Mejia, who had been kidnapped in April 2002. Truck Bomb Attacks in Saudi Arabia, May 12, 2003: Suicide bombers attacked three residential compounds for foreign workers in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The 34 dead included 9 attackers, 7 other Saudis, 9 U.S. citizens, and one citizen each from the United Kingdom, Ireland, and the Philippines. Another American died on June 1. It was the first major attack on U.S. targets in Saudi Arabia since the end of the war in Iraq. Saudi authorities arrested 11 al-Qaida suspects on May 28. Truck Bombing in Chechnya, May 12, 2003: A truck bomb explosion demolished a government compound in Znamenskoye, Chechnya, killing 54 persons. Russian authorities blamed followers of a Saudi-born Islamist named Abu Walid. President Vladimir Putin said that he suspected that there was an al-Qaida connection. Attempted Assassination in Chechnya, May 12, 2003: Two female suicide bombers attacked Chechen Administrator Mufti Akhmed Kadyrov during a religious festival in Iliskhan Yurt. Kadyrov escaped injury, but 14 other persons were killed and 43 were wounded. Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility. Suicide Bomb Attacks in Morocco, May 16, 2003: A team of 12 suicide bombers attacked five targets in Casablanca, Morocco, killing 43 persons and wounding 100. The targets were a Spanish restaurant, a Jewish community, a Jewish cemetery, a hotel, and the Belgian Consulate. The Moroccan Government blamed the Islamist al-Assirat al-Moustaquim (The Righteous Path), but foreign commentators suspected an al-Qaida connection. Suicide Bomb Attack in Jerusalem, May 18, 2003: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Jerusalem’s French Hill district killed 7 persons and wounded 20. The bomber was disguised as a religious Jew. HAMAS claimed responsibility Suicide Bombing in Afula, May 19, 2003: A suicide bomb attack by a female Palestinian student killed 3 persons and wounded 52 at a shopping mall in Afula, Israel. Both Islamic Jihad and the al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, June 11, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Jerusalem killed 16 persons and wounded at least 70, one of whom died later. HAMAS claimed responsibility, calling it revenge for an Israeli helicopter attack on HAMAS leader Abdelaziz al-Rantisi in Gaza City the day before. Truck Bombing in Northern Ossetia, August 1, 2003: A suicide truck bomb attack destroyed a Russian military hospital in Mozdok, North Ossetia and killed 50 persons. Russian authorities attributed the attack to followers of Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev. Hotel Bombing in Indonesia, August 5, 2003: A car bomb exploded outside the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia, killing 10 persons and wounding 150. One of the dead was a Dutch citizen. The wounded included an American, a Canadian, an Australian, and two Chinese. Indonesian authorities suspected the Jemaah Islamiah, which had carried out the October 12, 2002 bombing in Bali. Bombing of the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad, August 7, 2003: A car bomb exploded outside the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, killing 19 persons and wounding 65. Most of the victims were apparently Iraqis, including 5 police officers. No group claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombings in Israel and the West Bank, August 12, 2003: The first suicide bombings since the June 29 Israeli-Palestinian truce took place. The first, in a supermarket at Rosh Haayin, Israel, killed one person and wounded 14. The second, at a bus stop near the Ariel settlement in the West Bank, killed one person and wounded 3. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility for the first; HAMAS claimed responsibility for the second. Bombing of the UN Headquarters in Baghdad, August 19, 2003: A truck loaded with surplus Iraqi ordnance exploded outside the United Nations Headquarters in Baghdad’s Canal Hotel. A hospital across the street was also heavily damaged. The 23 dead included UN Special Representative Sergio Viera de Mello. More than 100 persons were wounded. It was not clear whether the bomber was a Baath Party loyalist or a foreign Islamic militant. An al-Qaeda branch called the Brigades of the Martyr Abu Hafz al-Masri later claimed responsibility. Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, August 19, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Jerusalem killed 20 persons and injured at least 100, one of whom died later. Five of the dead were American citizens. HAMAS and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, although HAMAS leader al-Rantisi said that his organization remained committed to the truce while reserving the right to respond to Israeli military actions. Car Bomb Kills Shi’ite Leader in Najaf, August 29, 2003: A car bomb explosion outside the Shrine of the Imam Ali in Najaf, Iraq killed at least 81 persons and wounded at least 140. The dead included the Ayatollah Mohammed Bakir al-Hakim, one of four leading Shi’ite clerics in Iraq. Al-Hakim had been the leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) since its establishment in 1982, and SCIRI had recently agreed to work with the U.S.-sponsored Iraqi Governing Council. It was not known whether the perpetrators were Baath Party loyalists, rival Shi’ites, or foreign Islamists. Suicide Bombings in Israel, September 9, 2003: Two suicide bombings took place in Israel. The first, at a bus stop near the Tsrifin army base southeast of Tel Aviv, killed 7 soldiers and wounded 14 soldiers and a civilian. The second, at a café in Jerusalem’s German Colony neighborhood, killed 6 persons and wounded 40. HAMAS did not claim responsibility until the next day, although a spokesman called the first attack" a response to Israeli aggression." Assassination of an Iraqi Governing Council Member, September 20, 2003: Gunmen shot and seriously wounded Akila Hashimi, one of three female members of the Iraqi Governing Council, near her home in Baghdad. She died September 25. A Second Attack on the UN Headquarters in Baghdad, September 22, 2003: A suicide car bomb attack on the UN Headquarters in Baghdad killed a security guard and wounded 19 other persons. Suicide Bombing in Israel, October 4, 2003: A Palestinian woman made a suicide bomb attack on a restaurant in Haifa, killing 19 persons and wounding at least 55. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The next day, Israel bombed a terrorist training camp in Syria. Attacks in Iraq, October 9, 2003: Gunmen assassinated a Spanish military attaché in Baghdad. A suicide car bomb attack on an Iraqi police station killed 8 persons and wounded 40. Car Bombings in Baghdad, October 12, 2003: Two suicide car bombs exploded outside the Baghdad Hotel, which housed U.S. officials. Six persons were killed and 32 wounded. Iraqi and U.S. security personnel apparently kept the cars from actually reaching the hotel. Bomb Attack on U.S. Diplomats in the Gaza Strip, October 15, 2003: A remote-controlled bomb exploded under a car in a U.S. diplomatic convoy passing through the northern Gaza Strip. Three security guards, all employees of DynCorp, were killed. A fourth was wounded. The diplomats were on their way to interview Palestinian candidates for Fulbright scholarships to study in the United States. Palestinian President Arafat and Prime Minister Qurei condemned the attack, while the major Palestinian militant groups denied responsibility. The next day, Palestinian security forces arrested several suspects, some of whom belonged to the Popular Resistance Committees. Rocket Attack on the al-Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, October 26, 2003: Iraqis using an improvised rocket launcher bombarded the al-Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, killing one U.S. Army officer and wounding 17 persons. The wounded included 4 U.S. military personnel and seven American civilians. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul D. Wolfowitz, who was staying at the hotel, was not injured. After visiting the wounded, he said, "They’re not going to scare us away; we’re not giving up on this job." Assassination of a Deputy Mayor in Baghdad, October 26, 2003: Two gunmen believed to be Baath Party loyalists assassinated Faris Abdul Razaq al-Assam, one of three deputy mayors of Baghdad. U.S. officials did not announce al-Assam’s death until October 28. Wave of Car Bombings in Baghdad, October 27, 2003: A series of suicide car bombings in Baghdad killed at least 35 persons and wounded at least 230. Four attacks were directed at Iraqi police stations, the fifth and most destructive was directed at the International Committee of the Red Cross headquarters, where at least 12 persons were killed. A sixth attack failed when a car bomb failed to explode and the bomber was wounded and captured by Iraqi police. U.S. and Iraqi officials suspected that foreign terrorists were involved; the unsuccessful bomber said he was a Syrian national and carried a Syrian passport. After a meeting with Administrator L. Paul Bremer, President Bush said, "The more successful we are on the ground, the more these killers will react." Suicide Bombing in Riyadh, November 8, 2003: In Riyadh, a suicide car bombing took place in the Muhaya residential compound, which was occupied mainly by nationals of other Arab countries. Seventeen persons were killed and 122 were wounded. The latter included 4 Americans. The next day, Deputy Secretary of State Armitage said al-Qaeda was probably responsible. Truck Bombing in Nasiriyah, November 12, 2003: A suicide truck bomb destroyed the headquarters of the Italian military police in Nasiriyah, Iraq, killing 18 Italians and 11 Iraqis and wounding at least 100 persons. Synagogue Bombings in Istanbul, November 15, 2003: Two suicide truck bombs exploded outside the Neve Shalom and Beth Israel synagogues in Istanbul, killing 25 persons and wounding at least 300 more. The initial claim of responsibility came from a Turkish militant group, the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders’ Front, but Turkish authorities suspected an al-Qaeda connection. The next day, the London-based newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi received an e-mail in which an al-Qaeda branch called the Brigades of the Martyr Abu Hafz al-Masri claimed responsibility for the Istanbul synagogue bombings. More Suicide Truck Bombings in Istanbul, November 20, 2003: Two more suicide truck bombings devastated the British HSBC Bank and the British Consulate General in Istanbul, killing 27 persons and wounding at least 450. The dead included Consul General Roger Short. U.S., British, and Turkish officials suspected that al-Qaeda had struck again. The U.S. Consulate in Istanbul was closed, and the Embassy in Ankara advised American citizens in Istanbul to stay home. Car Bombing in Kirkuk, November 20, 2003: A suicide car bombing in Kirkuk killed 5 persons. The target appeared to be the headquarters of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. PUK officials suspected the Ansar al-Islam group, which was said to have sheltered fugitive Taliban and al-Qaeda members after the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan. Attacks on Other Coalition Personnel in Iraq, November 29-30, 2003: Iraqi insurgents stepped up attacks on nationals of other members of the Coalition. On November 29, an ambush in Mahmudiyah killed 7 out of a party of 8 Spanish intelligence officers. Iraqi insurgents also killed two Japanese diplomats near Tikrit. On November 30, another ambush near Tikrit killed two South Korean electrical workers and wounded two more. A Colombian employee of Kellogg Brown & Root was killed and two were wounded in an ambush near Balad. Train Bombing in Southern Russia, December 5, 2003: A suicide bomb attack killed 42 persons and wounded 150 aboard a Russian commuter train in the south Russian town of Yessentuki. Russian officials suspected Chechen rebels; President Putin said the attack was meant to disrupt legislative elections. Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov denied any involvement. Suicide Bombing in Moscow, December 9, 2003: A female suicide bomber killed 5 other persons and wounded 14 outside Moscow’s National Hotel. She was said to be looking for the State Duma. Suicide Car Bombings in Iraq, December 15, 2003: Two days after the capture of Saddam Hussein, there were two suicide car bomb attacks on Iraqi police stations. One at Husainiyah killed 8 persons and wounded 20. The other, at Ameriyah, wounded 7 Iraqi police. Guards repelled a second vehicle. Office Bombing in Baghdad, December 19, 2003: A bomb destroyed the Baghdad office of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, killing a woman and wounding at least 7 other persons. Suicide Car Bombing in Irbil, December 24, 2003: A suicide car bomb attack on the Kurdish Interior Ministry in Irbil, Iraq, killed 5 persons and wounded 101. Attempted Assassination in Rawalpindi, December 25, 2003: Two suicide truck bombers killed 14 persons as President Musharraf’s motorcade passed through Rawalpindi, Pakistan. An earlier attempt on December 14 caused no casualties. Pakistani officials suspected Afghan and Kashmiri militants. On January 6, 2004, Pakistani authorities announced the arrest of 6 suspects who were said to be members of Jaish-e-Muhammad. Suicide Bombing in Israel, December 25, 2003: A Palestinian suicide bomber killed 4 persons at a bus stop near Petah Tikva, Israel. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack in retaliation for Israeli military operations in Nablus that had begun two days earlier. Restaurant Bombing in Baghdad, December 31, 2003: A car bomb explosion outside Baghdad’s Nabil Restaurant killed 8 persons and wounded 35. 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u wrote: Btw..what do you think is the proper way to prevent this sort of thing? Diplomacy. We're nice to the Canadians, so they don't try to hurt us. Perhaps you would wish to channel the spirit of Neville Chamberlain and get back to us on the subject of Diplomacy? Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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You know, it's funny. I _still_ wouldn't know that there is something called Karl Rove, if not for people like you who go on and on and on about him. You should get out more. The man's running the country. What was gunner's *favorite* saying...? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Perhaps you would wish to channel the spirit of Neville Chamberlain Hmm. "We have achieved peace in our time." Compare and contrast that with "Mission Accomplished" if you please. Roosevelt and Truman won a tough war. Bush has been dicking around for years and accomplished nothing. Even his own trained pony says we're gonna be in there for about 12 more years. Who's gonna fly the helicopters off of *this* embassy roof? Your *grand*children? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Has it? Where is the followup attack to 9/11 in the US? 7/7 in London. I think this was where I came it. Dave said it was "beneath me" to point this out. Our efforts in iraq no matter how splendid at spending our tax dollars have not stopped terrorism at all. They seem to be concentrating all the insurgents instead, so they can attend postgraduate terrorism school in the universtity that we ourselves have created. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , RAM^3 says... Has it? Where is the followup attack to 9/11 in the US? 7/7 in London. I think this was where I came it. Dave said it was "beneath me" to point this out. Our efforts in iraq no matter how splendid at spending our tax dollars have not stopped terrorism at all. They seem to be concentrating all the insurgents instead, so they can attend postgraduate terrorism school in the universtity that we ourselves have created. Jim Jim, Have a look at this. You get a little sense of the history involved. "The time of revenge has come" Blowback from Bush and Blair's incompetently pursued war on terror has hit London. When will the U.S. figure out how to fight smart? - - - - - - - - - - - - By Juan Cole July 8, 2005 | Credit for the horrific bombings of the London Underground and a double-decker bus on Thursday morning was immediately taken on a radical Muslim Web site by a "secret group" of Qaida al-Jihad in Europe. By Thursday afternoon, as the casualty toll rose above 40 dead and 700 wounded, British Foreign Minister Jack Straw was saying, "It has the hallmarks of an al-Qaida-related attack." Although U.S. President George W. Bush maintains that al-Qaida strikes out at the industrialized democracies because of hatred for Western values, the statement said nothing of the sort. The attack, the terrorists proclaimed, was an act of sacred revenge for British "massacres" in "Afghanistan and Iraq," and a punishment of the United Kingdom for its "Zionism" (i.e., support of Israel). If they really are responsible, who is this group and what do they want? The phrase "Qaida al-Jihad" refers to the 2001 decision made by Ayman al-Zawahiri, a leader of the Egyptian terrorist group al-Jihad al-Islami, to merge his organization into bin Laden's al-Qaida ("the Base"). The joint organization was thus renamed Qaida al-Jihad, the "Base for Holy War." (Zawahiri and bin Laden had allied in 1998.) The group claiming responsibility for the London bombings represents itself as a secret, organized grouping or cell of "Qaida al-Jihad in Europe." It is significant that they identify themselves as "in Europe," suggesting that they are based on the continent and have struck from there into London. This conclusion is bolstered by their description of the attack as a "blessed raid." One raids a neighboring territory, not one's own. Whether this group carried out the attack or not, the sentiments they express do exist among the radical fringe and form a continued danger. Jihadi internet bulletin boards expressed skepticism about the group, and pointed to an inaccuracy in the quotation from the Quran. But al-Qaida wannabes are often engineers without good Arabic or Islamics training. Most probably, then, this group consists of a small (and previously obscure) expatriate Muslim network somewhere in continental Europe, which has decided to announce its allegiance to Qaida al-Jihad. It is highly unlikely that al-Qaida itself retains enough command and control to plan or order such operations. They could have found many cues in al-Qaida literature, however, that London should be attacked. The United Kingdom had not been a target for al-Qaida in the late 1990s. But in October 2001, bin Laden threatened the United Kingdom with suicide aircraft attacks if it joined in the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan. In November of 2002, bin Laden said in an audiotape, "What do your governments want from their alliance with America in attacking us in Afghanistan? I mention in particular Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia." In February of 2003, as Bush and Blair marched to war in Iraq, bin Laden warned that the U.K. as well as the U.S. would be made to pay. In October of 2003, bin Laden said of the Iraq war, "Let it be known to you that this war is a new campaign against the Muslim world," and named Britain as a target for reprisals. A month later, an al-Qaida-linked group detonated bombs in Istanbul, targeting British sites and killing the British vice-consul. Although bin Laden offered several European countries, including Britain, a truce in April of 2004 if they would withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq, the deadline for the end of the truce ended in mid-July of that year. Ayman al-Zawahiri recently issued a videotape, excerpts of which appeared on al-Jazeera on June 17, which stressed the need for violent action as opposed to participation in political reform. True reform, he said, must be based on three premises: The rule of Islamic law, liberating the lands of Islam from the Occupier, and the freedom of the Islamic community in managing its own affairs. He thundered that "expelling the marauder Crusader and Jewish forces cannot be done through demonstrations and hoarse voices." Al-Zawahiri's videotapes have often been issued just before major terrorist actions, and some analysts believe that they are intended as cues for when they should be undertaken. Abdel Bari Atwan, the London editor of the Arab newspaper al-Quds, warned that the appearance of the tape signaled an imminent attack. The communiqué on the London bombing is unusual in appealing both to the Muslim community and to the "community of Arabism." "Urubah," or Arabism, is a secular nationalist ideal. The diction suggests that the bombers are from a younger generation of activists who have not lived in non-Arab Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Afghanistan, and think of Arabism and Islam as overlapping rather than alternatives to one another. The text makes relatively few references to religion, reading more as a statement of Muslim nationalism than of piety. In accordance with al-Zawahiri's focus on violence as the answer to the "marauding" of occupying non-Muslim armies in Muslim lands, the statement condemns what it calls "massacres" by "Zionist" British troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, both of them Muslim lands under Western military occupation (and, it is implied, similar in this regard to Gaza and the West Bank under Israeli control). These bombings, it says, are a form of revenge for these alleged predations. The language of revenge recalls tribal feuds rather than Islamic values. The terrorists refer to the bombings, which they say they carefully planned over a long period, as a "blessed raid." They are recalling the struggle between the wealthy, pagan trading entrepot, Mecca, and the beleaguered, persecuted Muslim community in Medina in early seventh century west Arabia. The Muslims around the Prophet Mohammed responded to the Meccan determination to wipe them out by raiding the caravans of their wealthy rivals, depriving them of their profits and gradually strangling them. The victorious Muslims, having cut the idol-worshipping Meccan merchants off, marched into the city in 630. Al-Qaida teaches its acolytes that great Western metropolises such as New York and London are the Meccas of this age, centers of paganism, immorality and massive wealth, from which plundering expeditions are launched against hapless, pious Muslims. This symbology helps explain why the City of London subway stops were especially targeted, since it is the economic center of London. A "raid" such as the Muslim bombings is considered not just a military action but also a religious ritual. If the communiqué of Qaida al-Jihad in Europe proves authentic, the London bombings are the second major instance of terrorism in Europe directly related to the Iraq war. In March of 2004, the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (French acronym: GICM) launched a massive attack on trains in Madrid in order to punish Spain for its participation in the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, following on their bombing of Casablanca the previous year. From the point of view of a serious counterinsurgency campaign against al-Qaida, Bush has made exactly the wrong decisions all along the line. He decided to "unleash" Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon rather than pressing for Israeli-Palestinian peace and an end to Israeli occupation of the territories it captured in 1967. Rather than extinguishing this most incendiary issue for Arabs and Muslims, he poured gasoline on it. His strategy in response to Sept. 11 was to fight the Afghanistan War on the cheap. By failing to commit American ground troops in Tora Bora, he allowed bin Laden and al-Zawahiri to escape. He reneged on promises to rebuild Afghanistan and prevent the reemergence of the Taliban and al-Qaida there, thus prolonging the U.S. and NATO military presence indefinitely. He then diverted most American military and reconstruction resources into an illegal war on Iraq. That war may have been doomed from the beginning, but Bush's refusal to line up international support, and his administration's criminal lack of planning for the postwar period, made failure inevitable. Conservative commentators argue that Iraq is a "fly trap" for Muslim terrorists. It makes much more sense to think of it as bin Laden's fly trap for Western troops. There, jihadis can kill them (making the point that they are not invulnerable), and can provoke reprisals against Iraqi civilians that defame the West in the Muslim world. After Abu Ghraib and Fallujah, many Muslims felt that Bin Laden's dire warnings to them that the United States wanted to occupy their countries, rape their women, humiliate their men, and steal their assets had been vindicated. These claims were not credited by most of the world's Muslims before the Iraq war. Opinion polls show that most of the world's Muslims have great admiration for democracy and many other Western values. They object to the U.S. and the U.K. because of their policies, not their values. Before Bush, for instance, the vast majority of Indonesians felt favorably toward the United States. Even after a recent bounce from U.S. help with tsunami relief, only about a third now do. The global anti-insurgency battle against al-Qaida must be fought smarter if the West is to win. To criminal investigations and surveillance must be added a wiser set of foreign policies. Long-term Western military occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq is simply not going to be acceptable to many in the Muslim world. U.S. actions at Abu Ghraib and Fallujah created powerful new symbols of Muslim humiliation that the jihadis who sympathize with al-Qaida can use to recruit a new generation of terrorists. The U.S. must act as an honest broker in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And Bush and Blair must urgently find a credible exit strategy from Iraq that can extricate the West from bin Laden's fly trap. Chicago political scientist Robert Pape argues in his new book, "Dying to Win," that the vast majority of suicide bombers are protesting foreign military occupation undertaken by democratic societies where public opinion matters. He points out that there is no recorded instance of a suicide attack in Iraq in all of history until the Anglo-American conquest of that country in 2003. He might have added that neither had any bombings been undertaken elsewhere in the name of Iraq. George Bush is sure to try to use the London bombings to rally the American people to support his policies. If Americans look closer, however, they will realize that Bush's incompetent crusade has made the world more dangerous, not less. -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco www.machiningsolution.com |
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