I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a "lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O

O,

There are books in the library on home repair that will have door lock
information. There may be lock books as well. A phone call to a local
locksmith should give you an idea about what information you'll need to
bring down to get a replacement lock set. Most hardware store will have
common locksets so if you find one that matches your holes and seems to
match your lock set then it may be a good choice and the assembly
instructions should help you to dissassemble the old set.

Dave M

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock
apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is
another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole
and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a
"lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top
round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock
and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the
way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O


It sounds like you have an "entry lockset" but you description doesn't ring
any bells with me. The simplist course of action is to identify the brand
you have and buy the same lockset.

If your door has a handle (as opposed to a knob or lever) these usually must
be removed before the inside the door portion of the lock can be removed.
There is a lever that moves when the button is depressed and this is why the
handle must be removed.

If I were in your place, I would take pictures of the lock in place and
with as much of it removed as possible. I would visit a real locksmith with
my keys and those pictures. Here you most likely will achieve
identification.

What part of the lock is not working?


Colbyt

believe me. they got it in, you can take it out. it is very very unlikely
it was built into the door. if it really has you stymied, take the door off
and take that with you.

take what you have to a locksmith. they can probably fix it for much less
than any replacement.

randy

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock
apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is
another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole
and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a
"lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top
round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock
and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the
way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O

Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these". But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

O

"Colbyt" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock
apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I
don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is
another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1
inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole
and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a
"lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top
round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the
dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock
and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement.
The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door
I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the
way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to
find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O


It sounds like you have an "entry lockset" but you description doesn't
ring
any bells with me. The simplist course of action is to identify the brand
you have and buy the same lockset.

If your door has a handle (as opposed to a knob or lever) these usually
must
be removed before the inside the door portion of the lock can be removed.
There is a lever that moves when the button is depressed and this is why
the
handle must be removed.

If I were in your place, I would take pictures of the lock in place and
with as much of it removed as possible. I would visit a real locksmith
with
my keys and those pictures. Here you most likely will achieve
identification.

What part of the lock is not working?


Colbyt

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these". But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door. it wasnt clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a dead bolt. The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,

O

"xrongor" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside
and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me
he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these".
But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the
manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have
to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace
but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door. it wasnt
clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...


I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?


On a metal door, as sad as it sounds, replacement of the entire door may be
the lesser of the evils. Go with a standard type of lockset this time around
and if there is a next time the replacement will be simpler.

Only other option to consider is to use one of those brass "door repair"
things and a new standard lockset. Even then it may not cover the existing
holes.

Colbyt

clipped

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

O

Go to the oldest locksmith around, with the messiest workroom. He's
probably got the part "around here somewhere" )

Perhaps one option is to see if anyone here knows of any online lock sources
that may have pictures I can try to find a match.

Another option is to post some pics of the lock and see if anyone can
recognize them? I have posted all the images to alt.binaries.images with
the title "Replacement Lock Search". I have images of the door, the lock,
the handle, the mortisse etc...if you recognize that please let me know.
Thanks,

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a dead bolt.
The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,

O

"xrongor" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside
and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me
he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these".
But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the
manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have
to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He
also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work,
the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is
an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace
but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only
option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door. it wasnt
clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Perhaps one option is to see if anyone here knows of any online lock
sources
that may have pictures I can try to find a match.

Another option is to post some pics of the lock and see if anyone can
recognize them? I have posted all the images to alt.binaries.images with
the title "Replacement Lock Search". I have images of the door, the lock,
the handle, the mortisse etc...if you recognize that please let me know.
Thanks,

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a dead bolt.
The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,


The picture helps a lot.

That is a mortise style lock.

How old is this door?

I thought you said it was a metal door. It looks like wood.

If it is wood I can tell you how to fix it and have it look good.

If it is metal I can tell you how to fix it and it look okay.

Colbyt

Here is a source for almost all locks.

http://www.idnacme.com/mfg.htm I am sorry it is a restricted site
and you cannot explore it. But this particular page has the
manufacturers web sites and you can go to each looking for your
device.

By description, I have no idea what lockset your are describing.
There are basically 2 different lock types. Mortise and cylinder.
Mortise locks have cases that are buried in the edge of the door.
Cylinder locks go through a (usually) round hole through the face
of the door. What type of lock do you have? You did say that the
latch bolt looks hinged. That line sounds a bit like an Adams
Wright - you might begin your search there. I cannot imagine a
hardware supplier (not a hardware store) that would not recognize
the brand or be able to supply an alternate lock. I assume this
is an entry door, not a screen door.

(top posted for your convenience)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Perhaps one option is to see if anyone here knows of any online
lock sources
that may have pictures I can try to find a match.

Another option is to post some pics of the lock and see if
anyone can
recognize them? I have posted all the images to
alt.binaries.images with
the title "Replacement Lock Search". I have images of the door,
the lock,
the handle, the mortisse etc...if you recognize that please let
me know.
Thanks,

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a
dead bolt.
The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,

O

"xrongor" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking
at it inside
and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and
tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all
at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First
one told me
he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it
completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have
seen these".
But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was
originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find
the
manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He
told me I have
to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get
it. He
also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will
not work,
the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing,
since this is
an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he
can replace
but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the
only
option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door.
it wasnt
clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

Hi Colbyt:

Thanks. It is a hollow metal door. Any advice will be appreciated.

O

"Colbyt" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Perhaps one option is to see if anyone here knows of any online lock
sources
that may have pictures I can try to find a match.

Another option is to post some pics of the lock and see if anyone can
recognize them? I have posted all the images to alt.binaries.images
with
the title "Replacement Lock Search". I have images of the door, the
lock,
the handle, the mortisse etc...if you recognize that please let me know.
Thanks,

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a dead
bolt.
The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,


The picture helps a lot.

That is a mortise style lock.

How old is this door?

I thought you said it was a metal door. It looks like wood.

If it is wood I can tell you how to fix it and have it look good.

If it is metal I can tell you how to fix it and it look okay.

Colbyt

Hi Colbyt:

I have posted two more pictures to the same post in alt.binaries.images with
the title "Replacement Lock Search".
One picture showed the original problem. The mortise at the top has a
hinged bolt (not sure of the right term) and it either came off or broke off
and now there is a stem there. I tried to find where the part that fell
off, unable to locate it. More than likely it fell into the strike plate,
so laying inside the bottom of that opposing door. I tried using magnets
along the bottom of the opposing door and was not able to get anything. I
don't know if there is some sort of generic piece that can be glued on to
this "stem". I circled the stem in a red circle with the image I attached
now.

Also, as I was trying to remove the mortise from the door, it will not come
out. Where the dead bolt is, there are two metal pins that stucked out,
making it impossible to remove the mortise. I jiggled and pulled and tabbed
and eventually removed it, but one pin fell out, into the bottom of the
metal door. Now the deadbolt after putting it back, is not too solid.
Looked like it's a bit out of alignment.

On the top of the mortise lock, there is a standard Schlage cylinder lock.
That one works and I can replace it any time.

Thanks,

O


"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Hi Colbyt:

Thanks. It is a hollow metal door. Any advice will be appreciated.

O

"Colbyt" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Perhaps one option is to see if anyone here knows of any online lock
sources
that may have pictures I can try to find a match.

Another option is to post some pics of the lock and see if anyone can
recognize them? I have posted all the images to alt.binaries.images
with
the title "Replacement Lock Search". I have images of the door, the
lock,
the handle, the mortisse etc...if you recognize that please let me
know.
Thanks,

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a dead
bolt.
The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,


The picture helps a lot.

That is a mortise style lock.

How old is this door?

I thought you said it was a metal door. It looks like wood.

If it is wood I can tell you how to fix it and have it look good.

If it is metal I can tell you how to fix it and it look okay.

Colbyt

DanG:

It is a mortise lock for a hollow metal exterior door. I have posted some
images of what I am talking about, since I don't know the proper terms to
describe it. The images are at alt.binaries.images with the title
"Replacement Lock Search". The doors and locks were there since I bought
the house in 1998, and I think the previosu owner had it. House was built
in 1980 so I would guess it was installed in 1980. The locksmith told me
the lock came with the door, but no brand name anywhere on door or lock.

O

"DanG" wrote in message
news:XAMPd.11130$Zr.763@okepread03...
Here is a source for almost all locks.

http://www.idnacme.com/mfg.htm I am sorry it is a restricted site
and you cannot explore it. But this particular page has the
manufacturers web sites and you can go to each looking for your
device.

By description, I have no idea what lockset your are describing.
There are basically 2 different lock types. Mortise and cylinder.
Mortise locks have cases that are buried in the edge of the door.
Cylinder locks go through a (usually) round hole through the face
of the door. What type of lock do you have? You did say that the
latch bolt looks hinged. That line sounds a bit like an Adams
Wright - you might begin your search there. I cannot imagine a
hardware supplier (not a hardware store) that would not recognize
the brand or be able to supply an alternate lock. I assume this
is an entry door, not a screen door.

(top posted for your convenience)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Perhaps one option is to see if anyone here knows of any online
lock sources
that may have pictures I can try to find a match.

Another option is to post some pics of the lock and see if
anyone can
recognize them? I have posted all the images to
alt.binaries.images with
the title "Replacement Lock Search". I have images of the door,
the lock,
the handle, the mortisse etc...if you recognize that please let
me know.
Thanks,

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a
dead bolt.
The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,

O

"xrongor" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking
at it inside
and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and
tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all
at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First
one told me
he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it
completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have
seen these".
But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was
originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find
the
manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He
told me I have
to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get
it. He
also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will
not work,
the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing,
since this is
an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he
can replace
but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the
only
option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door.
it wasnt
clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Hi Colbyt:

Thanks. It is a hollow metal door. Any advice will be appreciated.

O


Those are a little more difficult than wood.

You may be able to skip the hole filling part and just use the repair set
below if the door feels solid. I am going to include all the steps.

What you will need to do is measure the hole in the edge of the door that
the mortise lock was removed from and cut a wood plug that can be tapped
into the hole with gentle hammer blows. Apply a liberal amount of wood glue
to the inside of the hole and the block of wood. Clamp this and allow to
dry per directions on your glue container.

Once dry you will need to drill the new holes in the door for the deadbolt
and handle. Use the repair item below to determine where to drill those
holes so as to best cover the holes in the door skin. Your new locks will
also come with templates to show you where to drill the holes but you have
to modify that to fit the repair kit. What I mean is the vertical measures
are set by the repair kit. In a normal install you set the vertical
measurements as you want them. You can buy an installation kit that includes
the hole saw and drill bit. Cutting a metal door skin you may need 2 blades
for the hole saw. Run the hole saw until the bit exits the door on the other
side and then switch to that side to prevent splintering or in this case
bowing the metal.

The picture below is for a single lockset. They make the same item with two
holes. One for a deadbolt and the other for a standard knob lock. These are
made to fit doors 1 3/8" and 1 3/4". You may have to shop around to find
the double one in the 1 3/4". My Lowes stocks them but I can't find them on
the Lowes web site.

You can usually enlarge the picture by clicking on it or the description.

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS...10.1108323137@
& MID=9876

If the link is broken go to www.home depot.com , type lockset in the search
box, go to the second page and look at Prime Line Products
Entry Lockset Brass Door Repair Cover
Model 888500
Internet/Catalog 888500

If all of this scares you silly you can most likely find a locksmith that
will do the job (minus the hole filling part) as long as he knows what parts
to bring to the site.

Feel free to ask for clarification on anything I failed to make clear.

Colbyt

"orangetrader" wrote in message
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On the top of the mortise lock, there is a standard Schlage cylinder lock.
That one works and I can replace it any time.



Okay maybe you just need the single repair kit.

They actually come in several different sizes. Normally you can't find them
all in one place.

Get back to me if I can help.

Colbyt

I've got about 20 years in the locksmith field. Or is that one year's
experience 20 times?

Don't recognize this hole pattern. Like a couple others have suggested, I'd
go to the yellow pages under Locksmiths, and make a few calls.

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"orangetrader" wrote in message
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I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a "lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O

Now that's old country wisdom. I agree....

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"Norminn" wrote in message
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Go to the oldest locksmith around, with the messiest workroom. He's
probably got the part "around here somewhere" )

Might be able to use a wrap around plate. Mag, or Install A Lock comes to
mind. And then use new Kwikset or ot her brand of door knob and deadbolt.

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"orangetrader" wrote in message
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Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these". But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

O

I recommend that you take your door handle and a template to a hardware
store near you. (not the Home Depot as this will only frustrate you)

A good salesman will take the time to find the right handle for you. If
it is a Wieser or Schlage handle you may be all right. If it an older
unidentifiable handle, you might be screwed.


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