I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a "lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O

O,

There are books in the library on home repair that will have door lock
information. There may be lock books as well. A phone call to a local
locksmith should give you an idea about what information you'll need to
bring down to get a replacement lock set. Most hardware store will have
common locksets so if you find one that matches your holes and seems to
match your lock set then it may be a good choice and the assembly
instructions should help you to dissassemble the old set.

Dave M

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock
apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is
another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole
and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a
"lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top
round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock
and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the
way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O


It sounds like you have an "entry lockset" but you description doesn't ring
any bells with me. The simplist course of action is to identify the brand
you have and buy the same lockset.

If your door has a handle (as opposed to a knob or lever) these usually must
be removed before the inside the door portion of the lock can be removed.
There is a lever that moves when the button is depressed and this is why the
handle must be removed.

If I were in your place, I would take pictures of the lock in place and
with as much of it removed as possible. I would visit a real locksmith with
my keys and those pictures. Here you most likely will achieve
identification.

What part of the lock is not working?


Colbyt

Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these". But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

O

"Colbyt" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock
apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I
don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is
another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1
inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole
and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a
"lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top
round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the
dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock
and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement.
The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door
I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the
way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to
find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O


It sounds like you have an "entry lockset" but you description doesn't
ring
any bells with me. The simplist course of action is to identify the brand
you have and buy the same lockset.

If your door has a handle (as opposed to a knob or lever) these usually
must
be removed before the inside the door portion of the lock can be removed.
There is a lever that moves when the button is depressed and this is why
the
handle must be removed.

If I were in your place, I would take pictures of the lock in place and
with as much of it removed as possible. I would visit a real locksmith
with
my keys and those pictures. Here you most likely will achieve
identification.

What part of the lock is not working?


Colbyt

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these". But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door. it wasnt clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a dead bolt. The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,

O

"xrongor" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside
and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me
he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these".
But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the
manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have
to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace
but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door. it wasnt
clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

Perhaps one option is to see if anyone here knows of any online lock sources
that may have pictures I can try to find a match.

Another option is to post some pics of the lock and see if anyone can
recognize them? I have posted all the images to alt.binaries.images with
the title "Replacement Lock Search". I have images of the door, the lock,
the handle, the mortisse etc...if you recognize that please let me know.
Thanks,

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
There is already a dead bolt above the lock assembly.

The lock assembly I am trying to fix has a hinged bolt and a dead bolt.
The
hinged bolt part broke off.

Thanks,

O

"xrongor" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside
and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match
their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me
he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he
does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these".
But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the
manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have
to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He
also
said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work,
the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is
an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace
but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only
option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

another consideration is to install a deadbolt in this door. it wasnt
clear
if the thing didnt work at all or if it just wouldnt lock...

randy

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...


I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?


On a metal door, as sad as it sounds, replacement of the entire door may be
the lesser of the evils. Go with a standard type of lockset this time around
and if there is a next time the replacement will be simpler.

Only other option to consider is to use one of those brass "door repair"
things and a new standard lockset. Even then it may not cover the existing
holes.

Colbyt

clipped

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

O

Go to the oldest locksmith around, with the messiest workroom. He's
probably got the part "around here somewhere" )

Now that's old country wisdom. I agree....

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"Norminn" wrote in message
...

Go to the oldest locksmith around, with the messiest workroom. He's
probably got the part "around here somewhere" )

Might be able to use a wrap around plate. Mag, or Install A Lock comes to
mind. And then use new Kwikset or ot her brand of door knob and deadbolt.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
Part of the bolt broke off, leaving a stem sticking out.

I finally was able to remove the whole assembly. Looking at it inside and
out there is no brand name on it. I took it to HD and tried to match their
lockset and the positions of the bolts and levers are all at different
locations.

I then took it to a locksmith and had it looked at. First one told me he
has never seen one like it and I need to replace it completely, but he does
not know who makes it and has nothing that will fit.

The second locksmith looked at it and said "yeah I have seen these". But
then he told me this lockset came with the door when it was originally
purchased and he had in previous occasions tried to find the manufacturer
when he had others with similar problems. No luck. He told me I have to
get a replacement mortisse but he has no idea where to get it. He also said
getting something else to replace the entire assembly will not work, the
door holes were done to fit that lock only.

He also said I should not get replace the whole thing, since this is an
expensive lock. He looked at it and said the cylinder he can replace but
just that is a $100 cylinder I have there.

I spent the entire afternoon driving around, and so far the only option
seems to be to replace the entire exterior door?

O

believe me. they got it in, you can take it out. it is very very unlikely
it was built into the door. if it really has you stymied, take the door off
and take that with you.

take what you have to a locksmith. they can probably fix it for much less
than any replacement.

randy

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock
apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is
another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole
and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a
"lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top
round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock
and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the
way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O

I've got about 20 years in the locksmith field. Or is that one year's
experience 20 times?

Don't recognize this hole pattern. Like a couple others have suggested, I'd
go to the yellow pages under Locksmiths, and make a few calls.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I have an exterior metal door and the lock is broken. I took the lock apart
and I cannot tell if this lock set is a special one or a standard one,
standard meaning I can find another one to replace what I have and I don't
need to drill new holes for it.

Once I took it apart, the door has five holes.

In the middle where the key entry is, the door has an elongated hole, of
about 1-1/2 inch in height. Below that about 3/4" further down, is another
round shape small hole of 1/2" in diameter, below this hole, about 1 inch
further down, is another round hole of 1/2" in diameter. The pattern is
symmetrical on top, two round holes. So to recap, from the top, a round
hole of 1/2" diameter, below that around around hole same diameter, and
below that the elongated elliptical hole, below that, another round hole and
one more round hole at the bottom. Altogether 5 holes, four of them are
identical diameter about 1/2". The door is about 2" thick, but with a "lip"
at the end, I think the effective thickness is may be 1-7/8". The top round
hole is where the key entry is. The forth hole from top is where the dead
bolt is, the "set back" from the edge of the door to the center of the
elongated hole is about 1-1/4".

I don't know if I am making sense. But I need to get a replacement lock and
I am not sure how to go to the store to find a matching replacement. The
measurements are approximate. I cannot just take the whole lock there,
because the middle piece that is supposed to be embedded inside the door I
cannot take out completely. It is loose, and I can slide it in and out
almost, but something is stucked, looks like there are another two small
screws for the dead bolt that is inside the assembly that may be in the way,
looked like tiny tiny allen screws.

Any advise? What measurements are important to take to the store to find
something to replace it?

Thanks in advance,

O

I recommend that you take your door handle and a template to a hardware
store near you. (not the Home Depot as this will only frustrate you)

A good salesman will take the time to find the right handle for you. If
it is a Wieser or Schlage handle you may be all right. If it an older
unidentifiable handle, you might be screwed.


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