In alt.home.repair
"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

We have a heat pump in our shop, but lately it seems to getting pretty hot
in there during the daytime--do you think maybe I if I changed the setting
on the thermostat from "auto" over to "cool" it might help some ???

Oh, and there is no ductwork installed at all, which seems odd to me--so I
was wondering should there be at least some ducts for a large open space,
and if so, how much should those cost me ???

BTW, I think the insulation is pretty good, and I could probably install any
neded ductwork myself if I only knew how.

Thanks in advance!!!

I don't go for dead bait and lures. You need to put something that is
still moving on the hook Anyway, I ain't here to help my fellow man
with his AC problems, it is hard work. I'm here for me.

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in
:

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about HVAC so
that when the techs come to work on mine I won't think they are
speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply after reply of garbage. If
they don't want people posting questions about ACs and furnaces what
is the point of the newsgroup? Spreading ways to screw home moaners as
they call us? Sorry but I had to vent after unsubscribing earlier from
that newsgroup. No info just buttheads spouting off.

It appears that you're the one with the problem. The pros who post here
are almost always helpful. If you don't understand what they say, then
perhaps you should do some homework. Some issues cannot be addressed in
babytalk!

--
Wayne in Phoenix

If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message ...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

On 28 Jun 2004 22:23:42 -0700, (Norm De
Plume) wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message ...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

There are over 50,000 newsgroups and hey ! guess what ??? Not
all of them were created for your personal beneift !!!

Deal with it, assholes.



Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
In alt.home.repair
"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

We have a heat pump in our shop, but lately it seems to getting pretty
hot
in there during the daytime--do you think maybe I if I changed the
setting
on the thermostat from "auto" over to "cool" it might help some ???

Oh, and there is no ductwork installed at all, which seems odd to me--so
I
was wondering should there be at least some ducts for a large open space,
and if so, how much should those cost me ???

BTW, I think the insulation is pretty good, and I could probably install
any
neded ductwork myself if I only knew how.

Thanks in advance!!!

I don't go for dead bait and lures. You need to put something that is
still moving on the hook Anyway, I ain't here to help my fellow man
with his AC problems, it is hard work. I'm here for me.


Very well then--I think I probly made my point, at least with you.

Cheers,

--

SVL

Norm De Plume wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message
...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Uh? You came to check out our erections? Lordy Lordy... Not only are
we attracting the Homeowners...But now the Homosexuals are checking us
out! ;-(

Tommy & Megan Price writes:

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about HVAC so
that when the techs come to work on mine I won't think they are
speaking Cantonese.

Guild mentality. Like walking up to a trade-only sales counter trying to
buy something. You're an idiot if you're not part of the club, and we
won't sell to you. Kind of the mirror image of academic snobbery.

"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
In alt.home.repair
"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote:

We have a heat pump in our shop, but lately it seems to getting pretty
hot
in there during the daytime--do you think maybe I if I changed the
setting
on the thermostat from "auto" over to "cool" it might help some ???

Oh, and there is no ductwork installed at all, which seems odd to me--so
I
was wondering should there be at least some ducts for a large open space,
and if so, how much should those cost me ???

BTW, I think the insulation is pretty good, and I could probably install
any
neded ductwork myself if I only knew how.

Thanks in advance!!!

I don't go for dead bait and lures. You need to put something that is
still moving on the hook Anyway, I ain't here to help my fellow man
with his AC problems, it is hard work. I'm here for me.

God almighty...

I cant stop laughing over this one.

Looks like a point was made, and the fella didnt see it on the way..

"hvacrmedic" wrote in message ...


Tommy & Megan Price wrote:
I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about HVAC so that when
the techs come to work on mine I won't think they are speaking Cantonese.
What I found was reply after reply of garbage. If they don't want people
posting questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the newsgroup?
Spreading ways to screw home moaners as they call us? Sorry but I had to
vent after unsubscribing earlier from that newsgroup. No info just buttheads
spouting off.


We don't cater to the the deranged, or to the HO looking for a free
magic spell to cast upon their unit. If that bothers you then maybe you
resemble that remark, eh? And BTW, it is indeed illegal for you to open
your own refrigerant system.

I've spent over 20 yrs accumulating knowledge, licenses, certs, and some
go beyond HVAC related. In fact many of the professionals in alt.hvac
hold electrical licenses, contractors licenses, you name it, we've
probably got someone with it. Hell, I'm even licensed for asbestos
abatement.


This is Turtle.

Hey , I got a Certification for a Radioactive Safety Officer from the N. E. C. and not from the NEC electric people. You just can't
never tell when you might find some Radioactive sources in your bathroom or Living Room.

TURTLE


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"hvacrmedic" wrote in message ...


Tommy & Megan Price wrote:
I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about HVAC so that when
the techs come to work on mine I won't think they are speaking Cantonese.
What I found was reply after reply of garbage. If they don't want people
posting questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the newsgroup?
Spreading ways to screw home moaners as they call us? Sorry but I had to
vent after unsubscribing earlier from that newsgroup. No info just buttheads
spouting off.


We don't cater to the the deranged, or to the HO looking for a free
magic spell to cast upon their unit. If that bothers you then maybe you
resemble that remark, eh? And BTW, it is indeed illegal for you to open
your own refrigerant system.

I've spent over 20 yrs accumulating knowledge, licenses, certs, and some
go beyond HVAC related. In fact many of the professionals in alt.hvac
hold electrical licenses, contractors licenses, you name it, we've
probably got someone with it. Hell, I'm even licensed for asbestos
abatement.


This is Turtle.

Hey , I got a Certification for a Radioactive Safety Officer from the N. E. C. and not from the NEC electric people. You just can't
never tell when you might find some Radioactive sources in your bathroom or Living Room.

TURTLE


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"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message
.. .
I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about HVAC so that
when
the techs come to work on mine I won't think they are speaking Cantonese.
What I found was reply after reply of garbage. If they don't want people
posting questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?
Spreading ways to screw home moaners as they call us? Sorry but I had to
vent after unsubscribing earlier from that newsgroup. No info just
buttheads
spouting off.


Granted, they can be grumpy..As they have said here, they feel it's their
own group..Now, if you ask questions the correct way, some of them will
offer help and most will tell you to ask here in alt.home.repair and then
they will help..They will not answer "how much will this cost" or "what's
wrong with this" as they know as professionals, they need to see it in
person. I don't blame them there, coming from an ex life as an automotive
shop manager I know better than to diagnose over the phone or computer, but
I also don't mind offering my opinion if someone asks.....Now, the way they
treat some folks over there is a bit much, and they say the group is
basically for professionals...It's very strange to me that if they do not
want "outsiders" in the group, then why not set up a "yahoogroup" or
something like that, and have one of them moderate it..When that is the
case, the moderator has to approve membership...Then they would not have to
deal with any outsiders, they would not have to wade thru home owner
questions and the unsuspecting homeowner would not have to be subjected to
their treatment...It takes no special software nor computer "know-how" to
set one up....Heck it would probably be easier for all HVAC guys and gals to
read it, as some internet providers have terrible newsgroup servers...
Just a suggestion guys/gals, I know you don't like the intrusions but Usenet
is public, and folks will always think it's there to share knowledge..
Just a thought and suggestion....
John

Well needless to say the nuts followed me here. I guess from what I have
been told now that the originator of the group mislabeled it and it should
have been named alt.hvac.pro or something close to it. Using profanity
because someone asks if a certain unit being quoted to them is right is the
work of juveniles. If you are so worried about people learning about your
industry that you use vulgarity you are juvenile or just very paranoid. I
never posted on the group but just from reading the posts I figured out very
quick that it was not a nice place. It made me leary of letting in anybody
with the term HVAC on their uniform, lol. Not a very good ambassador for
your indistry at all. As for working on the unit myself I would have never
thought about that. Freon is not something I would ever mess with. With some
of the language on that group it makes me think freon also makes you a
neanderthal.

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message
.. .
Well needless to say the nuts followed me here.

Actually...learn how to use Google, and find out that we have been here...as
this is the proper group for questions from homeowners...

Ive been here...your posting history here..well..its got 2 posts...wow.


I guess from what I have
been told now that the originator of the group mislabeled it and it should
have been named alt.hvac.pro or something close to it.


Nope. Back in the day, before most of the world knew what the internet was,
much less how to get to Usenet, and people respected the opinions of the
founders and the FAQ, it was as it was intended. Still is, but some refuse
to understand that, and think that just because it is there, its for their
use.


Using profanity
because someone asks if a certain unit being quoted to them is right is
the
work of juveniles.

So is crying and whining about not getting an answer, or barging in the
wrong area and it not catering to you.


If you are so worried about people learning about your
industry that you use vulgarity you are juvenile or just very paranoid.

Nope. I have said time, and time and time again that it would be fine if
every homeowner could work on his system legally.
Here in my state, thats not the case, nor is it the case in many areas.

Vulgarity? Are you THAT thin skinned or just that ****ing prude?

Thats sarcasm...but I doubt you get it.


I
never posted on the group but just from reading the posts I figured out
very
quick that it was not a nice place. It made me leary of letting in anybody
with the term HVAC on their uniform, lol.

Thats funny...in some parts of the country, many of us are leary when anyone
states they got information off the net, since most people will listen to
people like Dave and Stormy, who give dangerous and wrong advice out.

Not a very good ambassador for
your indistry at all.

But pedophile Dave is...ok...
Personally...if the internet went away tomorrow, I still would have all the
work I can stand. So...its not a matter of is you like what I post, provided
that the information you get, based upon the fact that your situation might
be different due to your screwing with it, or someone that thinks hes got a
clue screwing with your unit, is based soley on the fact that its an
educated guess as to what is wrong with it.
Facts are, NO ONE on the internet can tell you what is wrong with your unit,
unless they can see it. Period. its that damn simple..

As for working on the unit myself I would have never
thought about that. Freon is not something I would ever mess with.

I would hope not...since we work with REFRIGERANTS, and the only FREON we
mess with has the name of DuPont on it.
Think about that, what you have posted, and try to understand...thats a
learning experence there..not a slam.

With some
of the language on that group it makes me think freon also makes you a
neanderthal.



Thats ok bucky...with the sob story you posted here, most of us over there
think you are a prick that we would walk off the site and tell you that your
money inst wanted, nor needed to survive.
If you want to understand, I suggest you learn to use Google.

Good grief. More of the same. I am not moaning or groaning. Just posting an
observation. I sure as hell didn't barge in there with a question. I am the
type who listens/reads and thinks before opening my mouth. I could tell very
quickly that people with questions there were not welcome. To have to call
people Fing idiots or corksuckers when informing them that they are not
welcome is juvenile. End of story.

Good grief. More of the same. I am not moaning or groaning. Just posting an
observation. I sure as hell didn't barge in there with a question. I am the
type who listens/reads and thinks before opening my mouth. I could tell very
quickly that people with questions there were not welcome. To have to call
people Fing idiots or corksuckers when informing them that they are not
welcome is juvenile. End of story.

[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:59:58 GMT, "Tommy & Megan Price"
wrote:

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about HVAC so that when
the techs come to work on mine I won't think they are speaking Cantonese.
What I found was reply after reply of garbage. If they don't want people
posting questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the newsgroup?
Spreading ways to screw home moaners as they call us? Sorry but I had to
vent after unsubscribing earlier from that newsgroup. No info just buttheads
spouting off.


BEFORE REACTING - see the *** below ;-)

alt.hvac is an unchartered, unmoderated group. Given the nature of the
usenet, stuff happens.

Conflict might be reduced if someone there posted a FAQ there regularly,
but some prefer to flame regularly instead.

A little research can help, of interest:

From

http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/a...r.heat-vent-ac

Authored by Randy Wilkinson, a long interesting read:

"Subject: Group Status

The group "alt.hvac" was created in January 1995 as a temporary place for
people interested in heating, ventilating and air conditioning to share
information until an "official" newsgroup can be voted on and created."

Pretty simple wording!

It is interesting that the claimed FAQ

http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/

actually refers to sci.engr.heat-vent-ac, see

http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/charter.htm

Also

http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/netiquet.htm

contains

"This is also not to say that do-it-yourselfers are discouraged from
posting questions to the HVAC `experts' that regularly read these
articles. Many of the `experts' are glad to help homeowners with their
HVAC problems, others would rather not"

and

"For such persons who insist on ignoring the admonitions outlined here,
gently remind them (in case they're just a newsier who doesn't know any
better), by email that the purpose of the newsgroup is technical
discussion and information sharing and not commercialism. Please Don't
post a follow-up article flaming those persons."

So clearly, the flamers there don't believe in the very documents they use
in the claimed FAQ.

Finally, the guy who often claims to be THE creator, for some reason isn't
listed as one of the authors of the charter or the FAQ keeper when it was
created. (to be fair, research will show he clearly was a participant)

"Authors: Doug Grittani, Lynnette Edrington, and William Delp, PhD" (email
addresses deleted)

Actually, my first URL refence (http://www.ibiblio.org/...) contains

"A hearty THANK YOU to Lynnette for making this group a reality!"

*** Given all that, in practice, the nicer HVAC guys willing to help home
owners seem to hang out here. Your not going to many sharper guys in the
profession than Turtle!

So why not go with the flow?

gerry

--

Personal home page - http://gogood.com

gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots

[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:59:58 GMT, "Tommy & Megan Price"
wrote:

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about HVAC so that when
the techs come to work on mine I won't think they are speaking Cantonese.
What I found was reply after reply of garbage. If they don't want people
posting questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the newsgroup?
Spreading ways to screw home moaners as they call us? Sorry but I had to
vent after unsubscribing earlier from that newsgroup. No info just buttheads
spouting off.


BEFORE REACTING - see the *** below ;-)

alt.hvac is an unchartered, unmoderated group. Given the nature of the
usenet, stuff happens.

Conflict might be reduced if someone there posted a FAQ there regularly,
but some prefer to flame regularly instead.

A little research can help, of interest:

From

http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/a...r.heat-vent-ac

Authored by Randy Wilkinson, a long interesting read:

"Subject: Group Status

The group "alt.hvac" was created in January 1995 as a temporary place for
people interested in heating, ventilating and air conditioning to share
information until an "official" newsgroup can be voted on and created."

Pretty simple wording!

It is interesting that the claimed FAQ

http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/

actually refers to sci.engr.heat-vent-ac, see

http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/charter.htm

Also

http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/netiquet.htm

contains

"This is also not to say that do-it-yourselfers are discouraged from
posting questions to the HVAC `experts' that regularly read these
articles. Many of the `experts' are glad to help homeowners with their
HVAC problems, others would rather not"

and

"For such persons who insist on ignoring the admonitions outlined here,
gently remind them (in case they're just a newsier who doesn't know any
better), by email that the purpose of the newsgroup is technical
discussion and information sharing and not commercialism. Please Don't
post a follow-up article flaming those persons."

So clearly, the flamers there don't believe in the very documents they use
in the claimed FAQ.

Finally, the guy who often claims to be THE creator, for some reason isn't
listed as one of the authors of the charter or the FAQ keeper when it was
created. (to be fair, research will show he clearly was a participant)

"Authors: Doug Grittani, Lynnette Edrington, and William Delp, PhD" (email
addresses deleted)

Actually, my first URL refence (http://www.ibiblio.org/...) contains

"A hearty THANK YOU to Lynnette for making this group a reality!"

*** Given all that, in practice, the nicer HVAC guys willing to help home
owners seem to hang out here. Your not going to many sharper guys in the
profession than Turtle!

So why not go with the flow?

gerry

--

Personal home page - http://gogood.com

gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots

"New Arty Boy" wrote in message
...

"Jake" wrote in message
news:2J2Ec.126165$HG.22943@attbi_s53...
sniped the groveling

Please take note of the advice... for it is not-for-profit.... just good
sense.

too bad you don't have common sense
everything must turn a profit
otherwise you are just wasting your time!



Hey Einstein....if a person in California tells someone from Vermont that
they should hire an electrician, how does the guy in CA turn a profit?

"New Arty Boy" wrote in message
...

"Jake" wrote in message
news:2J2Ec.126165$HG.22943@attbi_s53...
sniped the groveling

Please take note of the advice... for it is not-for-profit.... just good
sense.

too bad you don't have common sense
everything must turn a profit
otherwise you are just wasting your time!



Hey Einstein....if a person in California tells someone from Vermont that
they should hire an electrician, how does the guy in CA turn a profit?

Norm De Plume wrote:

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.


Which bothers you more, your baldness or your impotence?

****....Everyone knows that if you mix Rogane and Viagra
you get a headful of hair.


Only problem is that you wind up looking like Don King....

Norm De Plume wrote:

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.


Which bothers you more, your baldness or your impotence?

****....Everyone knows that if you mix Rogane and Viagra
you get a headful of hair.


Only problem is that you wind up looking like Don King....

wrote in message . ..

On 28 Jun 2004 22:23:42 -0700, (Norm De
Plume) wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message ...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

Which bothers you more, your baldness or your impotence?

wrote in message . ..

On 28 Jun 2004 22:23:42 -0700, (Norm De
Plume) wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message ...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

Which bothers you more, your baldness or your impotence?

Don Ocean wrote in message ...
Norm De Plume wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message
...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Uh? You came to check out our erections? Lordy Lordy... Not only are
we attracting the Homeowners...But now the Homosexuals are checking us
out! ;-(

I realize that this is just a fantasy of yours, but I'm just going by
what their ex-wives have told me.

Don Ocean wrote in message ...
Norm De Plume wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message
...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Uh? You came to check out our erections? Lordy Lordy... Not only are
we attracting the Homeowners...But now the Homosexuals are checking us
out! ;-(

I realize that this is just a fantasy of yours, but I'm just going by
what their ex-wives have told me.

On 29 Jun 2004 11:17:39 -0700, (Norm De
Plume) wrote:

wrote in message . ..

On 28 Jun 2004 22:23:42 -0700, (Norm De
Plume) wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message ...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

Which bothers you more, your baldness or your impotence?

Matthew-Gardiners

**** off, asshole.



Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

Special Ed wrote:
"New Arty Boy" wrote in message
...

"Special Ed" wrote in message
rthlink.net...


My short visit there was one of the most unpleasant of any groups I've

ever

visited. Their little club seems to have a closed membership.



and your open mouth makes you "special ed"


You're name calling suits you better on the playground.


Aw, give Arty a break, 'cause he's here to stay.

Its just that his entire alimentary tract got reversed during his fetal
development.

Jeff

P.S. You would have found much the same ambience at
pdaxs.services.plumbing. It's like deja vu to your average middle school
cafeteria. A few nice guys being helpful to someone who posts an
intelligent question, and a whole bunch of bullies trying to out
wisecrack each other.

--
Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying."

"Norm De Plume" wrote in message
om...
wrote in message
. ..

On 28 Jun 2004 22:23:42 -0700, (Norm De
Plume) wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message
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I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

Which bothers you more, your baldness or your impotence?

AOL users like yourself posting through Google??

wrote in message
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Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

Welp...
If you look he
http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/owner.htm

You will see this:
"Homeowner Help from the Alt.HVAC and Sci.Engr.Heat-Vent-AC News Groups"

Maybe it's time to change the heading over there at the "homeowner's
corner."

just a thought.

peace,
-Gate

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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
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"Gate" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

Welp...
If you look he
http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/owner.htm

You will see this:
"Homeowner Help from the Alt.HVAC and Sci.Engr.Heat-Vent-AC News Groups"

Maybe it's time to change the heading over there at the "homeowner's
corner."

just a thought.


Just a thought...and you know..you just hit it on the head..

Since that was put up to DIRECT homeowners to that page anyway...and keep it
out of the group....wow...
We all forgot about that...after all, we are all such assholes and all...

If you think we are assholes in text form...refuse to pay after a job and
see what an asshole can be..


peace,
-Gate

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Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's
http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:29:07 -0400, "CBHVAC"
wrote:


"Gate" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

Welp...
If you look he
http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/owner.htm

You will see this:
"Homeowner Help from the Alt.HVAC and Sci.Engr.Heat-Vent-AC News Groups"

And if you will look carefully into the history of it, you'll
see that *I* authored it, originated it, built it for 5 + years, and
then turned it over to others to keep it going, still largely in its
original form as I created it.


Maybe it's time to change the heading over there at the "homeowner's
corner."

just a thought.

Just because I had a moment of generosity when I wrote /
assembled that 9 years ago, that doesn't mean this group belongs to
the HO's now. Or then.



Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:29:07 -0400, "CBHVAC"
wrote:


"Gate" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
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.
Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

Welp...
If you look he
http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/owner.htm

You will see this:
"Homeowner Help from the Alt.HVAC and Sci.Engr.Heat-Vent-AC News
Groups"

And if you will look carefully into the history of it, you'll
see that *I* authored it, originated it, built it for 5 + years, and
then turned it over to others to keep it going, still largely in its
original form as I created it.


Maybe it's time to change the heading over there at the "homeowner's
corner."

just a thought.

Just because I had a moment of generosity when I wrote /
assembled that 9 years ago, that doesn't mean this group belongs to
the HO's now. Or then.


Cant use it either Paul...I went back and looked it
over....(ahh..memories...) and...

(jumps on soapbox and goes into southern baptist revival minister mode)

THERE IS V_U_L_G_AAAAAA_R_I_T_Y!!!!!
THERE IS SWEARING!!!!!!
THERE IS SARCASM!!!
THERE ARE COMMENTS TO PUT DOWN OTHERS!!!!!

Noooowwww FRIEEENDS....do you want this DEVIL, this instrummmmmment of
LUCIFER in your homes?

BE HEEEEEEEEEEEALED!

(SLAAAAP!!)

OH..damn...back to frigging reality...
LOL!!




Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's
http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:44:46 -0400, "CBHVAC"
wrote:

Cant use it either Paul...I went back and looked it
over....(ahh..memories...) and...

(jumps on soapbox and goes into southern baptist revival minister mode)

THERE IS V_U_L_G_AAAAAA_R_I_T_Y!!!!!
THERE IS SWEARING!!!!!!
THERE IS SARCASM!!!
THERE ARE COMMENTS TO PUT DOWN OTHERS!!!!!

Oh, **** .......



Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

I dont think any women hate their pussys that bad to **** Paul.
"Norm De Plume" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On 28 Jun 2004 22:23:42 -0700, (Norm De
Plume) wrote:

"Tommy & Megan Price" wrote in message
...

I subscribed to their newsgroup mostly to learn more about
HVAC so that when the techs come to work on mine I won't
think they are speaking Cantonese. What I found was reply
after reply of garbage. If they don't want people posting
questions about ACs and furnaces what is the point of the
newsgroup?

Please have sympathy for them because when Viagra fails, it makes the
users bitter, especially when it also causes baldness.

Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

Which bothers you more, your baldness or your impotence?

[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:38:24 GMT, wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:29:07 -0400, "CBHVAC"
wrote:


"Gate" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
.
.
.
Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

Welp...
If you look he
http://home.att.net/~alt.hvac/owner.htm

You will see this:
"Homeowner Help from the Alt.HVAC and Sci.Engr.Heat-Vent-AC News Groups"

And if you will look carefully into the history of it, you'll
see that *I* authored it, originated it, built it for 5 + years, and
then turned it over to others to keep it going, still largely in its
original form as I created it.

What a joke, since one was told to carefully look into history...

http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/a...r.heat-vent-ac

"Congrats everybody!

A hearty THANK YOU to Lynnette for making this group a reality!

I'm Randy Wilkinson. I have volunteered to compile the FAQ
document for the proposed group 'sci.engr.heat-vent-ac'."

gerry

--

Personal home page - http://gogood.com

gerry misspelled in my email address to confuse robots

Rather than chasing away good people who are just looking for an honest
answer, why not simply ignore the question if you're too busy raking in
cash? I belong to many professional groups in my industry, and I've never
seen amateurs treated with disrespect or told to go elsewhere. Quite the
contrary, the pros all seem to jump at an opportunity to help and show their
expertise. As Sy Syms used to advertise on TV, "An educated consumer is our
best customer".


wrote in message
Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

There are over 50,000 newsgroups and hey ! guess what ??? Not
all of them were created for your personal beneift !!!

Deal with it, assholes.

"babelfish" wrote
Rather than chasing away good people who are just looking for an honest
answer, why not simply ignore the question if you're too busy raking in
cash? I belong to many professional groups in my industry, and I've never
seen amateurs treated with disrespect or told to go elsewhere. Quite the
contrary, the pros all seem to jump at an opportunity to help and show
their
expertise. As Sy Syms used to advertise on TV, "An educated consumer is
our
best customer".

Sy Syms is an *sshole too.

And a Jew at that.........



wrote in message
Because, you stupid ****s, alt.hvac does not exist for your
convenience, and does not exist for the purpose of educating
home-moaners, no matter how convenient you might think that would be
for you.

I did not start the group in 1995 for your benefit, nor as a
home-moaner advice forum.

There are over 50,000 newsgroups and hey ! guess what ??? Not
all of them were created for your personal beneift !!!

Deal with it, assholes.

As with so many trades, someone (in this case the EPA) hands out a license
to steal and they don't want anyone looking over their shoulders.

A better way would be for them to take it private, e.g. set up a Yahoo group
that requires admission by a group moderator who checks qualifications for
admission, but that would preclude all the fun of offending the customers or
anyone else who passes by who isn't a member.


--------snip--------

P.J.Modicom himself has said the group exists "for a bunch of
guys to chew the fat over a few beers after a days work" OWTTE.

Part of that 'modus operandi' is to throw their empty beer
bottles at whom-so-ever passes by looking for direction.
A pleasant improvement within the group (of late) is the
discovered ability to direct enquiries elsewhere.
FWIW.
Leave the rattlers where they lie. Bunch of Hacks anyways,, for
the most :-)
Certainly,, do not rate them with your professional associations.

cheerio

BTZ

"babelfish" wrote in message
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As with so many trades, someone (in this case the EPA) hands out a license
to steal and they don't want anyone looking over their shoulders.

And you are just another one of the whiners looking for something free. I
have no problems with people looking over my shoulders. In fact I encourage
it and try to educate my customers. I have yet to have ANYONE say I have
"stole" from them. They keep coming back and referring me to friends and
family because I give them fair deal that that are pleased with.


A better way would be for them to take it private, e.g. set up a Yahoo
group
that requires admission by a group moderator who checks qualifications for
admission, but that would preclude all the fun of offending the customers
or
anyone else who passes by who isn't a member.

No, actually, you just need to go someplace else. I agree that berating
someone that comes on a group to ask a question is no a very tactful way of
dealing with someone. Directing them to the proper forum IS a better
alternative. Plus, maybe a "password sensative" newsgroup would have been
better, but it has already been established and it's not going anywhere.

"bitzah" wrote

Leave the rattlers where they lie. Bunch of Hacks anyways,, for
the most :-)

Yeah, but you have to remember: We have plenty of satified customers and all
of our own equipment works fine. We don't worry about whiners looking for
freebies on the internet.

Call me a hack all you want. I hope you treat the person you call to fix
anything of yours a little better....