On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.

Kindness is closely linked to love and that is
easily *physically* proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.

--
Maggie

On Sun, 28 May 2017 22:13:43 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

On 5/28/2017 7:02 PM, Meanie wrote:

you cannot prove the existence of a supreme being.

You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy, etc. You can only
show examples of what you think is a result of it.


The evidence of both love and hate prove their existance.

Many "religions" or churches provide social services and education,
and health care free of charge to those who cannot afford these
services, irrespective of their beliefs or lack there of. It was
religions that established schools and hospitals in most of the world.

One of the most effective "relief agencies" in the world is a church
organization called the "mennonite central committee"

Another "faith based organization" that is very well known to
survivors of natural disasters across North America from the hollers
of Kentucky (Whitesburg/Hazzard etc), to the flood-ravaged vallets of
New York State (Elmira/Corning etc) to hurricane ravaged New Orleans,
is "MDS" - Mennonite Disaster Service.

All volunteer labour, helping those in need due to no fault of their
own - entirely out of their "religious beliefs"

No question of faith or creed - the help is available to all who need
it.

The church of England is one of the biggest landowners in the UK and
make millions each year. They are a very large *business* and invest in
the stock market, yet still beg for money at their services.
They could also eliminate homelessness at a stroke, but choose not to.

A guide to the Church of England's huge investments - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23467750
26 Jul 2013 - The Church of England's investments are wide-ranging and
complex, with ... The remaining £2.8bn is invested in stock markets, in
major ...

On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:07:04 +0100, Bod wrote:
I want you to prove what you say exists.
Why can't you do that? It should be simple.


Like I said, my wife will verify that I show her love by
my actions.

Ok.. thousands of other people will verify that God exists.

You only have to ask her. Can you ask your god in
person?

Yes.

For all you know, your god might be a control freak
playing a game.

So could you, or your wife.

Your god might be playing you like a fiddle.

So could you, or your wife.

--
Maggie

On Mon, 29 May 2017 01:12:17 -0400, wrote:
You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy,
etc. You can only show examples of what you think
is a result of it.


The evidence of both love and hate prove their
existance.


You can only show examples of what you think is a result of it.

--
Maggie

On 29/05/2017 06:18, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:07:04 +0100, Bod wrote:
I want you to prove what you say exists.
Why can't you do that? It should be simple.


Like I said, my wife will verify that I show her love by
my actions.

Ok.. thousands of other people will verify that God exists.
You only have to ask her. Can you ask your god in
person?

Yes.
For all you know, your god might be a control freak
playing a game.

So could you, or your wife.

Your god might be playing you like a fiddle.

So could you, or your wife.

Married for happy 46 years with two kids and grandchildren is obviously
long enough to know that she isn't.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:23:10 +0100, Bod wrote:
Your god might be playing you like a fiddle.

So could you, or your wife.

Married for happy 46 years with two kids and
grandchildren is obviously long enough to know that
she isn't.



37 years, myself...

--
Maggie

On 29/05/2017 06:20, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 01:12:17 -0400, wrote:
You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy,
etc. You can only show examples of what you think
is a result of it.


The evidence of both love and hate prove their
existance.


You can only show examples of what you think is a result of it.

What do you mean *think*? You show love or hate. Those things are
obvious to all human beings that have a normally functioning brain.

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 12:23:13 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 06:18, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:07:04 +0100, Bod wrote:
I want you to prove what you say exists.
Why can't you do that? It should be simple.


Like I said, my wife will verify that I show her love by
my actions.

Ok.. thousands of other people will verify that God exists.
You only have to ask her. Can you ask your god in
person?

Yes.
For all you know, your god might be a control freak
playing a game.

So could you, or your wife.

Your god might be playing you like a fiddle.

So could you, or your wife.

Married for happy 46 years with two kids and grandchildren is obviously
long enough to know that she isn't.

Which one are you? The husband or the wife? I figured with a handle like "Bod" you must be a woman. snicker t(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Trollish Monster

On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:28:56 +0100, Bod wrote:
The evidence of both love and hate prove their
existance

You can only show examples of what you think is a
result of it.

What do you mean *think*? You show love or hate.

In order to show something, you have to acknowledge it exists. You
say if something exists, there will be proof. Feeling something is
not proof, right ?


Those things are obvious to all human beings that
have a normally functioning brain.

So, you're saying because other human beings feel love or hate and
it's a common thing some people agree upon that makes it valid?

Millions of people also agree a God exists, so why is that also not
valid?

--
Maggie

On 29/05/2017 06:28, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:23:10 +0100, Bod wrote:
Your god might be playing you like a fiddle.

So could you, or your wife.

Married for happy 46 years with two kids and grandchildren is
obviously long enough to know that
she isn't.



37 years, myself...

Good for you and I hope you have many more years.

On 29/05/2017 06:30, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 12:23:13 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 06:18, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:07:04 +0100, Bod wrote:
I want you to prove what you say exists.
Why can't you do that? It should be simple.


Like I said, my wife will verify that I show her love by
my actions.

Ok.. thousands of other people will verify that God exists.
You only have to ask her. Can you ask your god in
person?

Yes.
For all you know, your god might be a control freak
playing a game.

So could you, or your wife.

Your god might be playing you like a fiddle.

So could you, or your wife.

Married for happy 46 years with two kids and grandchildren is obviously
long enough to know that she isn't.

Which one are you? The husband or the wife? I figured with a handle like "Bod" you must be a woman. snicker t(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Trollish Monster

Enough of your fantasies, you pervert ;-)

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 12:43:46 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 06:30, Uncle Monster wrote:

Which one are you? The husband or the wife? I figured with a handle like "Bod" you must be a woman. snicker t(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Trollish Monster

Enough of your fantasies, you pervert ;-)


I'll have you know that I'm a card carrying "Provert": a professional pervert! There are "Preverts": apprentice perverts, "Perverts": mid level management then we "Proverts": professional perverts who take great pride in our craft. So don't try to accuse me of being a common pervert. I'm a member of pervert royalty and am easily insulted when I'm not revered. ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

[8~{} Uncle Proverted Monster

On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:39:55 +0100, Bod wrote:
Married for happy 46 years with two kids and
grandchildren is obviously long enough to know
that she isn't.

37 years, myself..

Good for you and I hope you have many more years.

Thx... likewise.

--
Maggie

On 29/05/2017 06:39, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:28:56 +0100, Bod wrote:
The evidence of both love and hate prove their
existance

You can only show examples of what you think is a
result of it.

What do you mean *think*? You show love or hate.

In order to show something, you have to acknowledge it exists. You say
if something exists, there will be proof. Feeling something is not
proof, right ?

Those things are obvious to all human beings that
have a normally functioning brain.

So, you're saying because other human beings feel love or hate and it's
a common thing some people agree upon that makes it valid?

Millions of people also agree a God exists, so why is that also not valid?

Because religion and gods are mans inventions and are pure fantasies.
People are *real* and exist.
Believing in a god is totally different to knowing there is one.
The KKK is a Christian religious group and believe in a god.
There are hundreds of religious flavours in the world, many DON'T
believe in a god. Other crackpot religions like the Scientologists
really believe that we came in spaceships from another planet or
something crackers like that.
Maybe I should believe in the garden gnome god who transcended from the
centre of the Earth and made all garden gnomes in his image. Yet ANOTHER
new religion and as believable as any other religion ;-)

On 29/05/2017 06:59, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 12:43:46 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 06:30, Uncle Monster wrote:

Which one are you? The husband or the wife? I figured with a handle like "Bod" you must be a woman. snicker t(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Trollish Monster

Enough of your fantasies, you pervert ;-)


I'll have you know that I'm a card carrying "Provert": a professional pervert! There are "Preverts": apprentice perverts, "Perverts": mid level management then we "Proverts": professional perverts who take great pride in our craft. So don't try to accuse me of being a common pervert. I'm a member of pervert royalty and am easily insulted when I'm not revered. ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜

[8~{} Uncle Proverted Monster

I do beg your pardon, I thought that you were the common lesser spotted
perv. My mistake.

On 29/05/2017 06:59, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 06:39:55 +0100, Bod wrote:
Married for happy 46 years with two kids and
grandchildren is obviously long enough to know
that she isn't.

37 years, myself..

Good for you and I hope you have many more years.

Thx... likewise.

ta.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:02:06 +0100, Bod wrote:
So, you're saying because other human beings feel
love or hate and it's a common thing some people
agree upon that makes it valid?

Millions of people also agree a God exists, so why
is that also not valid?

Because religion and gods are mans inventions and
are pure fantasies.

Who told you that? Where did you learn that? Can you prove it?

People are *real* and exist.

God is real and exists.

Believing in a god is totally different to knowing there
is one.

Who taught you that?

The KKK is a Christian religious group and believe in
a god. There are hundreds of religious flavours in the
world, many DON'T believe in a god. Other crackpot
religions like the Scientologists really believe that we
came in spaceships from another planet or
something crackers like that. Maybe I should believe
in the garden gnome god who transcended from the
centre of the Earth and made all garden gnomes in
his image. Yet ANOTHER new religion and as
believable as any other religion ;-)

Why do you equate belief in God with religion?

--
Maggie

God is real and exists.

Believing in a god is totally different to knowing there
is one.

Who taught you that?

The KKK is a Christian religious group and believe in
a god. There are hundreds of religious flavours in the
world, many DON'T believe in a god. Other crackpot
religions like the Scientologists really believe that we
came in spaceships from another planet or
something crackers like that. Maybe I should believe
in the garden gnome god who transcended from the centre of the Earth
and made all garden gnomes in
his image. Yet ANOTHER new religion and as
believable as any other religion ;-)

Why do you equate belief in God with religion?

*religion*

noun
"the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially
a personal God or gods".

On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you feel
it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.



She's got you there Bod. :-)

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 9:11:48 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 06:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 4:28:53 AM UTC-4, T wrote:

And evolution was never meant to be anything other than
science and as such is a moving target. 200 years from
today, there will be a theory to replace it and everyone
will laugh at evolution just as today we laugh at "caloric" and
the "first law of thermodynamics" (matter and energy can
neither be created or destroyed -- obviously not true).

Can you elaborate a little on this?

You elaborated a little more than expected.

1st law of Thermodynamics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics
The first law of thermodynamics is an expression of the
principle of conservation of energy. It states that energy
can be transformed (changed from one form to another),
but cannot be created or destroyed

Obviously this is not the case. Einstein's equation
Energy = Mass x (Universal Constant [speed of light]) squared
Put that to rest.

Examples:
Q. What is being transformed in a nuclear power plant?
A. Mass is being transformed into energy

Q. How are Transuranic elements formed?
A. By applying energy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transuranium_element

The way I was taught, the First Law of Thermodynamics is:

Neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed; only
converted from one form to another. Conversion of matter
into energy follows the law.

Cindy Hamilton

On 29/05/2017 11:51, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.



She's got you there Bod. :-)

If none of you two do not know what the feeling of love and hate feels
and looks like, then I doubt both of your intelligences or you're both
devoid of normal feelings and are just trying to score a cheap point.
Sociopaths are like that.

On 5/29/2017 1:14 AM, Bod wrote:

Many "religions" or churches provide social services and education,
and health care free of charge to those who cannot afford these
services, irrespective of their beliefs or lack there of. It was
religions that established schools and hospitals in most of the world.

One of the most effective "relief agencies" in the world is a church
organization called the "mennonite central committee"

Another "faith based organization" that is very well known to
survivors of natural disasters across North America from the hollers
of Kentucky (Whitesburg/Hazzard etc), to the flood-ravaged vallets of
New York State (Elmira/Corning etc) to hurricane ravaged New Orleans,
is "MDS" - Mennonite Disaster Service.

All volunteer labour, helping those in need due to no fault of their
own - entirely out of their "religious beliefs"

No question of faith or creed - the help is available to all who need
it.

The church of England is one of the biggest landowners in the UK and
make millions each year. They are a very large *business* and invest in
the stock market, yet still beg for money at their services.
They could also eliminate homelessness at a stroke, but choose not to.

A guide to the Church of England's huge investments - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23467750
26 Jul 2013 - The Church of England's investments are wide-ranging and
complex, with ... The remaining £2.8bn is invested in stock markets, in
major ...

Are they tax exempt?

On 5/28/2017 11:07 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2017 21:36:45 -0400, wrote:


Religions across time and the entire planet have been victimizing
their followers in the name of non-existent deities. Every religion
from evangelical christianity to scientology is nothing but a cult. In
fact, the only difference between a cult and a religion is the size of
the membership.

Whereas I would not want to prevent anyone from believing in their
personal fairy tales, I do advocate fully taxing all religions as one
would tax any business. There should be no special treatment of
religions.


Amen!, er, I mean, I agree.

On 5/28/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/28/2017 7:02 PM, Meanie wrote:

you cannot prove the existence of a supreme being.

You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy, etc. You can only
show examples of what you think is a result of it.



They are emotions/mental state and proved when displaying the act of
that emotion. Religious belief is also a mental state and simply proves
ones belief in indoctrinated dogma. Apples to oranges comparison when
trying to prove it to a physical entity.

On 5/29/2017 12:03 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 03:47, Meanie wrote:
http://www.barnorama.com/when-religi...self-look-bad/


LOL, I like this one in that link "A free thinker is Satan's slave".

One of my favorite is

"God wants me to let him save me from what he will do to me if I don't
let him safe me?"

I envision this http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/xgllya.gif

On Mon, 29 May 2017 04:54:08 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/05/2017 03:46, Meanie wrote:
On 5/28/2017 9:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 01:12:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:



Don't forget, all religions exist as tools for one group of people to
influence, control and extract resources from another, much larger
group of people.

Deities are inventions of humans, little different than a pry bar,
tools to separate people from their valuables and gain control over
their free will.

Religions are tools of the unscrupulous and a refuge for the weak of
mind.


I am sorry you have had such a bad experience with "religions"
Some organizations may indeed be as you say - but most certainly not
all. What you describe is a theocracy, like the catholic church.

There are religeous organizations that have no "elite class" that
"lives off the masses"


http://www.alternet.org/belief/6-way...-more-bad-good

Spot on.

I think the attached is a darts commentator.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 00:54:54 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2017 03:07:44 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2017 21:36:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2017 01:12:54 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:



Don't forget, all religions exist as tools for one group of people to
influence, control and extract resources from another, much larger
group of people.

Deities are inventions of humans, little different than a pry bar,
tools to separate people from their valuables and gain control over
their free will.

Religions are tools of the unscrupulous and a refuge for the weak of
mind.


I am sorry you have had such a bad experience with "religions"
Some organizations may indeed be as you say - but most certainly not
all. What you describe is a theocracy, like the catholic church.

There are religeous organizations that have no "elite class" that
"lives off the masses"

You are sorry I have had bad experiences with religions? That is
pretty funny, but not unexpected.

Religions across time and the entire planet have been victimizing
their followers in the name of non-existent deities. Every religion
from evangelical christianity to scientology is nothing but a cult. In
fact, the only difference between a cult and a religion is the size of
the membership.

A total fallacy, as there are cults larger than some religions.

Son, what is fallacious is your implication there is any difference
between a religion and a cult. There is no difference. However, I do
admire your Kellyanne Conway style propaganda in attempting to declare
my assertions, "a total fallacy".

Simply because the lies of your cult are older or believed by more
people than the lies of another cult, this does not legitimize your
cult. All cults are invalid and built on a foundation of lies.

If any cult were able to produce empirical evidence to substantiate
the existence of their particular flavor of deities, that evidence
would have been produced thousands of years ago and there would be
little resistance to the assertions of that cult.

As education spreads, the fables and superstitions of ancient, middle
eastern goat herders, continue to fade from the collective memory of
the human race.




Whereas I would not want to prevent anyone from believing in their
personal fairy tales, I do advocate fully taxing all religions as one
would tax any business. There should be no special treatment of
religions.
Many "religions" or churches provide social services and education,
and health care free of charge to those who cannot afford these
services, irrespective of their beliefs or lack there of. It was
religions that established schools and hospitals in most of the world.

One of the most effective "relief agencies" in the world is a church
organization called the "mennonite central committee"

Another "faith based organization" that is very well known to
survivors of natural disasters across North America from the hollers
of Kentucky (Whitesburg/Hazzard etc), to the flood-ravaged vallets of
New York State (Elmira/Corning etc) to hurricane ravaged New Orleans,
is "MDS" - Mennonite Disaster Service.

All volunteer labour, helping those in need due to no fault of their
own - entirely out of their "religious beliefs"

No question of faith or creed - the help is available to all who need
it.

There is no doubt that some cults provide rare, truly charitable
services and assistance. Those services should be separate and
distinct 501c3 entities in the USA and should enjoy tax exemption,
IMHO.

However, things such as support of cult missionaries, proselytizing,
property used for cult purposes, all income not used for legitimate,
charitable services, should (IMHO) be taxed at a business rate.
Additionally, clergy should all pay the same income tax rates as any
typical citizens. In the USA, clergy receive an approximate 30%, off
the top, discount on income taxes and I believe they can also receive
a tax free housing allowance from the cult.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:21:46 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/05/2017 11:51, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.



She's got you there Bod. :-)

If none of you two do not know what the feeling of love and hate feels
and looks like, then I doubt both of your intelligences or you're both
devoid of normal feelings and are just trying to score a cheap point.
Sociopaths are like that.

No one scored any points on you Bod. The attempt to conflate the
existence of an omnipotent deity with the "experience" of an emotion
is entirely specious and very sloppy.

There is exist more empirical evidence to prove the existence of
virtually any odor than exists empirical evidence to prove the
existence of ANY deities.

You were lured down a rabbit hole, but, you realized it early and
recognized the fallacy of the argument. The cultists were basically
equating their all powerful creator with an emotion. If they are
willing to admit that their god exists entirely in their own minds,
like an emotion, then we might make some progress.

Unfortunately, they continue spewing their babble about their
imaginary friends and attempt to influence others on the basis of
their delusions.

On 29/05/2017 15:22, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:21:46 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/05/2017 11:51, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.



She's got you there Bod. :-)

If none of you two do not know what the feeling of love and hate feels
and looks like, then I doubt both of your intelligences or you're both
devoid of normal feelings and are just trying to score a cheap point.
Sociopaths are like that.

No one scored any points on you Bod. The attempt to conflate the
existence of an omnipotent deity with the "experience" of an emotion
is entirely specious and very sloppy.

There is exist more empirical evidence to prove the existence of
virtually any odor than exists empirical evidence to prove the
existence of ANY deities.

You were lured down a rabbit hole, but, you realized it early and
recognized the fallacy of the argument. The cultists were basically
equating their all powerful creator with an emotion. If they are
willing to admit that their god exists entirely in their own minds,
like an emotion, then we might make some progress.

Unfortunately, they continue spewing their babble about their
imaginary friends and attempt to influence others on the basis of
their delusions.

Yes I did suss the rabbit hole method early on.
I have no problem with people believing in all of the god delusions, but
they should keep it to themselves and quit the preaching and the silly
comparisons about proving love etc.

If every religion just kept things real personal and stopped wearing
symbols advertising their beliefs like turbans/skull
caps/burkhas/crosses etc there'd be a lot less trouble in the world
because nobody would have a clue which cult they belonged to.
Just pray indoors at home or something.
I don't walk around advertising my atheism with symbolic body furniture.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:36:25 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/05/2017 15:22, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:21:46 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/05/2017 11:51, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.



She's got you there Bod. :-)

If none of you two do not know what the feeling of love and hate feels
and looks like, then I doubt both of your intelligences or you're both
devoid of normal feelings and are just trying to score a cheap point.
Sociopaths are like that.

No one scored any points on you Bod. The attempt to conflate the
existence of an omnipotent deity with the "experience" of an emotion
is entirely specious and very sloppy.

There is exist more empirical evidence to prove the existence of
virtually any odor than exists empirical evidence to prove the
existence of ANY deities.

You were lured down a rabbit hole, but, you realized it early and
recognized the fallacy of the argument. The cultists were basically
equating their all powerful creator with an emotion. If they are
willing to admit that their god exists entirely in their own minds,
like an emotion, then we might make some progress.

Unfortunately, they continue spewing their babble about their
imaginary friends and attempt to influence others on the basis of
their delusions.

Yes I did suss the rabbit hole method early on.
I have no problem with people believing in all of the god delusions, but
they should keep it to themselves and quit the preaching and the silly
comparisons about proving love etc.

If every religion just kept things real personal and stopped wearing
symbols advertising their beliefs like turbans/skull
caps/burkhas/crosses etc there'd be a lot less trouble in the world
because nobody would have a clue which cult they belonged to.
Just pray indoors at home or something.
I don't walk around advertising my atheism with symbolic body furniture.

I don't have any problem with free expression for anyone.

The cultists simply need to understand they have the right to say
whatever they wish and that people such as you and I have the right to
criticize them for their delusions and superstitions.

It would be extremely easy to marginalize these nut jobs (the
religious / cultists ) if more people would just speak up.

Resistance to these fairy tales is growing across the world and, in my
opinion, the charlatans and weak of mind who promote and subscribe to
these lies will become an insignificant minority of the population as
education and awareness spreads across the globe. It is simply a
matter of time, their demise is inevitable.

Yes I did suss the rabbit hole method early on.
I have no problem with people believing in all of the god delusions, but
they should keep it to themselves and quit the preaching and the silly
comparisons about proving love etc.

If every religion just kept things real personal and stopped wearing
symbols advertising their beliefs like turbans/skull
caps/burkhas/crosses etc there'd be a lot less trouble in the world
because nobody would have a clue which cult they belonged to.
Just pray indoors at home or something.
I don't walk around advertising my atheism with symbolic body furniture.

I don't have any problem with free expression for anyone.

The cultists simply need to understand they have the right to say
whatever they wish and that people such as you and I have the right to
criticize them for their delusions and superstitions.

It would be extremely easy to marginalize these nut jobs (the
religious / cultists ) if more people would just speak up.

Resistance to these fairy tales is growing across the world and, in my
opinion, the charlatans and weak of mind who promote and subscribe to
these lies will become an insignificant minority of the population as
education and awareness spreads across the globe. It is simply a
matter of time, their demise is inevitable.

Agreed.

On 5/29/2017 1:15 AM, Bod wrote:

God is real and exists.

Believing in a god is totally different to knowing there
is one.

Who taught you that?

The KKK is a Christian religious group and believe in
a god. There are hundreds of religious flavours in the
world, many DON'T believe in a god. Other crackpot
religions like the Scientologists really believe that we
came in spaceships from another planet or
something crackers like that. Maybe I should believe
in the garden gnome god who transcended from the centre of the Earth
and made all garden gnomes in
his image. Yet ANOTHER new religion and as
believable as any other religion ;-)

Why do you equate belief in God with religion?


*religion*

noun
"the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially
a personal God or gods".

What is your source? Is that the only definition of "religion"?

--
Maggie

On 5/29/2017 6:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 11:51, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.

She's got you there Bod. :-)


If none of you two do not know what the feeling of love and hate feels
and looks like,

The point of me asking you to prove "love" exists is because you said:

"*you state that something exists, but cannot give me proof that it
does*. If I said that I see fairies every day in my garden, but no one
else can see them, I would probably end up in an asylum and quite
rightly so."

YOU stated "love" exists, so, give proof that it does.

Don't you back up what you say?

What I or T knows about love or hate is irrelevant to the point you made
and need to back up.

then I doubt both of your intelligences or you're both
devoid of normal feelings and are just trying to score a cheap point.

Cheap point?? No.

You've been ragging on people who believe in a God for a long time. You
stated that when something exists there should be proof provided that it
does exist.

Back up your own words, and prove "love" exists, or stop ragging on
people who believe in a God to provide proof a God exists.

--
Maggie

On 5/29/2017 7:10 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/28/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/28/2017 7:02 PM, Meanie wrote:

you cannot prove the existence of a supreme being.

You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy, etc. You can only
show examples of what you think is a result of it.


They are emotions/mental state and proved when displaying the act of
that emotion.

So, belief in a God can be either or both an emotion/mental state and is
proved when displaying that belief, according to your reasoning.


--
Maggie

On 5/29/2017 9:36 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 15:22, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:21:46 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/05/2017 11:51, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.



She's got you there Bod. :-)

If none of you two do not know what the feeling of love and hate feels
and looks like, then I doubt both of your intelligences or you're both
devoid of normal feelings and are just trying to score a cheap point.
Sociopaths are like that.

No one scored any points on you Bod. The attempt to conflate the
existence of an omnipotent deity with the "experience" of an emotion
is entirely specious and very sloppy.

There is exist more empirical evidence to prove the existence of
virtually any odor than exists empirical evidence to prove the
existence of ANY deities.

You were lured down a rabbit hole, but, you realized it early and
recognized the fallacy of the argument. The cultists were basically
equating their all powerful creator with an emotion. If they are
willing to admit that their god exists entirely in their own minds,
like an emotion, then we might make some progress.

Unfortunately, they continue spewing their babble about their
imaginary friends and attempt to influence others on the basis of
their delusions.


Yes I did suss the rabbit hole method early on.

Oh geez.

Did you say this or not:
"I'm curious because you state that something exists, but cannot give me
proof that it does. If I said that I see fairies every day in my
garden, but no one else can see them, I would probably end up in an
asylum and quite rightly so."

Now, explain to me this part:
"you state that something exists, but cannot give me
proof that it does."

I'm asking YOU to prove "love" exists, since you obviously believe it
does *exist* and that you love your wife.

Why can't you prove it exists? It should be easy.

OR, does your statement only apply to topics you disagree with?

I have no problem with people believing in all of the god delusions, but
they should keep it to themselves and quit the preaching and the silly
comparisons about proving love etc.

Now, you have an issue with freedom of religion, speech, and the
practice thereof?

Only YOU should be allowed to speak freely??


--
Maggie

On 29/05/2017 18:18, Muggles wrote:
On 5/29/2017 6:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2017 11:51, T wrote:
On 05/28/2017 10:12 PM, Muggles wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod wrote:
Prove love exists.
Simply telling me you SHOW love is not proof. It's
simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.
Kindness is closely linked to love and that is easily *physically*
proven in the real world, with real
people.

Who told you that? How do you know? Do you believe that because you
feel it, or because you were taught it?

Prove what you said. If it exists you should bed able to prove it.
According to your own words.

She's got you there Bod. :-)


If none of you two do not know what the feeling of love and hate feels
and looks like,

The point of me asking you to prove "love" exists is because you said:

"*you state that something exists, but cannot give me proof that it
does*. If I said that I see fairies every day in my garden, but no one
else can see them, I would probably end up in an asylum and quite
rightly so."

YOU stated "love" exists, so, give proof that it does.

Don't you back up what you say?

What I or T knows about love or hate is irrelevant to the point you made
and need to back up.

then I doubt both of your intelligences or you're both
devoid of normal feelings and are just trying to score a cheap point.

Cheap point?? No.

You've been ragging on people who believe in a God for a long time. You
stated that when something exists there should be proof provided that it
does exist.

Back up your own words, and prove "love" exists, or stop ragging on
people who believe in a God to provide proof a God exists.

You have a problem with sentience if you can't see and recognise love
when it is shown.

On 5/29/2017 1:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/29/2017 7:10 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/28/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/28/2017 7:02 PM, Meanie wrote:

you cannot prove the existence of a supreme being.

You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy, etc. You can only
show examples of what you think is a result of it.


They are emotions/mental state and proved when displaying the act of
that emotion.

So, belief in a God can be either or both an emotion/mental state and is
proved when displaying that belief, according to your reasoning.



I'm not disputing the "belief" in God. Anyone can believe as they wish,
it doesn't mean it's true. Many people once believed the world was flat,
but it wasn't true. Kids believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy
until they discover its not true. Unfortunately, adults who are raised
to believe in a God can't accept the truth he doesn't exist. Therefore,
believe as you want and if you act in kindness due to your belief, it's
an emotional outcome based on what you feel to be good and wholesome of
your belief. It still doesn't prove the existence of a physical supreme
being. It's all a state of mind.

On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:12:39 -0400, Meanie wrote:

On 5/29/2017 1:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/29/2017 7:10 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/28/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/28/2017 7:02 PM, Meanie wrote:

you cannot prove the existence of a supreme being.

You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy, etc. You can only
show examples of what you think is a result of it.


They are emotions/mental state and proved when displaying the act of
that emotion.

So, belief in a God can be either or both an emotion/mental state and is
proved when displaying that belief, according to your reasoning.



I'm not disputing the "belief" in God. Anyone can believe as they wish,
it doesn't mean it's true. Many people once believed the world was flat,
but it wasn't true. Kids believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy
until they discover its not true. Unfortunately, adults who are raised
to believe in a God can't accept the truth he doesn't exist. Therefore,
believe as you want and if you act in kindness due to your belief, it's
an emotional outcome based on what you feel to be good and wholesome of
your belief. It still doesn't prove the existence of a physical supreme
being. It's all a state of mind.

+1

I would add, belief in deity fairy tales and inability to evaluate
such rationally is not limited to those who were raised with said
beliefs. There are many who have replaced substance addictions with
addictions to said fairy tales.

Karl Marx said of religion; "It is the opium of the people." He
certainly got that right, even if he missed on so many other issues.

On 5/29/2017 3:26 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:12:39 -0400, Meanie wrote:

On 5/29/2017 1:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/29/2017 7:10 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/28/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/28/2017 7:02 PM, Meanie wrote:

you cannot prove the existence of a supreme being.

You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy, etc. You can only
show examples of what you think is a result of it.


They are emotions/mental state and proved when displaying the act of
that emotion.

So, belief in a God can be either or both an emotion/mental state and is
proved when displaying that belief, according to your reasoning.



I'm not disputing the "belief" in God. Anyone can believe as they wish,
it doesn't mean it's true. Many people once believed the world was flat,
but it wasn't true. Kids believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy
until they discover its not true. Unfortunately, adults who are raised
to believe in a God can't accept the truth he doesn't exist. Therefore,
believe as you want and if you act in kindness due to your belief, it's
an emotional outcome based on what you feel to be good and wholesome of
your belief. It still doesn't prove the existence of a physical supreme
being. It's all a state of mind.

+1

I would add, belief in deity fairy tales and inability to evaluate
such rationally is not limited to those who were raised with said
beliefs. There are many who have replaced substance addictions with
addictions to said fairy tales.

Karl Marx said of religion; "It is the opium of the people." He
certainly got that right, even if he missed on so many other issues.


Exactly!