Emotions can only be proven by anecdotal evidence, not empirical.


Hi Bod,

I hit the wrong key and deleted your message.

If you want to know how you can hate something that
doesn't exist, just look at your own behavior.
You obviously hate something. If you didn't,
you would not go to such great pains to insult and
disrespect believers. You might be curious about
us at times, but mostly you wouldn't care.

-T

Do *you* eat grass to be closer to your god?

South African preacher makes congregation eat GRASS to be closer ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Lawn-...es-congregatio...
10 Jan 2014 - A South African preacher made his congregation eat grass
to 'be closer to God' before stamping on them. Under the instruction of
Pastor Lesego Daniel of Rabboni Centre Ministries dozens of followers
dropped to the floor to eat the grass at his ministry in Garankuwa,
north of ...

On 05/30/2017 10:10 PM, Bod wrote:

The only thing I can do is to tell you my personal experience
and how I got there.
And since you did not ask me, I will only say that I have had a
personal relationship with my creator (Jesus) for as long as
I can remember and I also have a personal relationship
with a saint that chose me. The love I feel from them
is very obvious.

Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.


So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular
you are looking me?

Help,is there an interpreter in the house!


I could take up to an hour, maybe two, writing and writing.
I wanted to be more specific as to what he wanted.

Ever tried walking on water?

Pastor 'killed by crocodiles while trying to walk on water like Jesus'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-water.../amp/

15 May 2017 - Pastor Jonathan Mthethwa of the Saint of the Last Days
Church was 'eaten' by the animals.

Bod, why are you acting like this?

On 31/05/2017 06:24, Bod wrote:

Emotions can only be proven by anecdotal evidence, not empirical.


Hi Bod,

I hit the wrong key and deleted your message.

If you want to know how you can hate something that
doesn't exist, just look at your own behavior.
You obviously hate something. If you didn't,
you would not go to such great pains to insult and
disrespect believers. You might be curious about
us at times, but mostly you wouldn't care.

-T

Do *you* eat grass to be closer to your god?

South African preacher makes congregation eat GRASS to be closer ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Lawn-...es-congregatio...

10 Jan 2014 - A South African preacher made his congregation eat grass
to 'be closer to God' before stamping on them. Under the instruction of
Pastor Lesego Daniel of Rabboni Centre Ministries dozens of followers
dropped to the floor to eat the grass at his ministry in Garankuwa,
north of ...


To be fair though, the diet he prescribed was varied and interesting.
You had the choice of drinking petrol or rags or hair:

"Mnguni was the subject of controversy in the past when he made his
followers eat hair and rags, claiming God has the power to make a person
eat anything and that his teachings were based on scripture. He said he
learned his extreme teachings from the Rev. Lesego Daniel of Rabboni
Ministries, who forced his congregation to eat grass and drink petrol".

LOL.

On 31/05/2017 06:31, T wrote:
On 05/30/2017 10:10 PM, Bod wrote:

The only thing I can do is to tell you my personal experience
and how I got there.
And since you did not ask me, I will only say that I have had a
personal relationship with my creator (Jesus) for as long as
I can remember and I also have a personal relationship
with a saint that chose me. The love I feel from them
is very obvious.

Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.


So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular
you are looking me?

Help,is there an interpreter in the house!


I could take up to an hour, maybe two, writing and writing.
I wanted to be more specific as to what he wanted.

Ever tried walking on water?

Pastor 'killed by crocodiles while trying to walk on water like Jesus'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-water.../amp/

15 May 2017 - Pastor Jonathan Mthethwa of the Saint of the Last Days
Church was 'eaten' by the animals.

Bod, why are you acting like this?

Must be the devil at work ;-)

On 31/05/2017 06:33, Bod wrote:
On 31/05/2017 06:31, T wrote:
On 05/30/2017 10:10 PM, Bod wrote:

The only thing I can do is to tell you my personal experience
and how I got there.
And since you did not ask me, I will only say that I have had a
personal relationship with my creator (Jesus) for as long as
I can remember and I also have a personal relationship
with a saint that chose me. The love I feel from them
is very obvious.

Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.


So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular
you are looking me?

Help,is there an interpreter in the house!


I could take up to an hour, maybe two, writing and writing.
I wanted to be more specific as to what he wanted.

Ever tried walking on water?

Pastor 'killed by crocodiles while trying to walk on water like Jesus'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-water.../amp/

15 May 2017 - Pastor Jonathan Mthethwa of the Saint of the Last Days
Church was 'eaten' by the animals.

Bod, why are you acting like this?

Must be the devil at work ;-)

Here's an interesting one:

My Semen is a Sacred Holy Milk - Pastor Makes Members Suck His ...
http://www.tori.ng/news/7973/my-seme...es-member.html
2 Sep 2015 - My Semen is a Sacred Holy Milk - Pastor Makes Members Suck
His Manhood in Church ... convincing them to suck his penis saying that
it contained "Sacred milk". ... in Apore, Goiás, Brazil, for raping
several women attending his church. ... The pastor is already in jail
where he said when they arrested him, ...

*And the stupid congregation actually did it*.

A new meaning to "blind faith"? LOL

On 05/30/2017 10:24 PM, Bod wrote:

Emotions can only be proven by anecdotal evidence, not empirical.


Hi Bod,

I hit the wrong key and deleted your message.

If you want to know how you can hate something that
doesn't exist, just look at your own behavior.
You obviously hate something. If you didn't,
you would not go to such great pains to insult and
disrespect believers. You might be curious about
us at times, but mostly you wouldn't care.

-T

Do *you* eat grass to be closer to your god?

South African preacher makes congregation eat GRASS to be closer ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Lawn-...es-congregatio...

10 Jan 2014 - A South African preacher made his congregation eat grass
to 'be closer to God' before stamping on them. Under the instruction of
Pastor Lesego Daniel of Rabboni Centre Ministries dozens of followers
dropped to the floor to eat the grass at his ministry in Garankuwa,
north of ...



That is interesting. Mainly, it would give you a belly ache.
You touch the face of God by selfless acts towards the helpless

On 05/30/2017 10:32 PM, Bod wrote:
On 31/05/2017 06:24, Bod wrote:

Emotions can only be proven by anecdotal evidence, not empirical.


Hi Bod,

I hit the wrong key and deleted your message.

If you want to know how you can hate something that
doesn't exist, just look at your own behavior.
You obviously hate something. If you didn't,
you would not go to such great pains to insult and
disrespect believers. You might be curious about
us at times, but mostly you wouldn't care.

-T

Do *you* eat grass to be closer to your god?

South African preacher makes congregation eat GRASS to be closer ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Lawn-...es-congregatio...

10 Jan 2014 - A South African preacher made his congregation eat grass
to 'be closer to God' before stamping on them. Under the instruction
of Pastor Lesego Daniel of Rabboni Centre Ministries dozens of
followers dropped to the floor to eat the grass at his ministry in
Garankuwa, north of ...


To be fair though, the diet he prescribed was varied and interesting.
You had the choice of drinking petrol or rags or hair:

"Mnguni was the subject of controversy in the past when he made his
followers eat hair and rags, claiming God has the power to make a person
eat anything and that his teachings were based on scripture. He said he
learned his extreme teachings from the Rev. Lesego Daniel of Rabboni
Ministries, who forced his congregation to eat grass and drink petrol".

LOL.

That is just plain weird. Christian (and Jews) will fast,
but that is different than what you describe.

On 05/30/2017 10:33 PM, Bod wrote:
On 31/05/2017 06:31, T wrote:
On 05/30/2017 10:10 PM, Bod wrote:

The only thing I can do is to tell you my personal experience
and how I got there.
And since you did not ask me, I will only say that I have had a
personal relationship with my creator (Jesus) for as long as
I can remember and I also have a personal relationship
with a saint that chose me. The love I feel from them
is very obvious.

Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.


So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular
you are looking me?

Help,is there an interpreter in the house!


I could take up to an hour, maybe two, writing and writing.
I wanted to be more specific as to what he wanted.

Ever tried walking on water?

Pastor 'killed by crocodiles while trying to walk on water like Jesus'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-water.../amp/

15 May 2017 - Pastor Jonathan Mthethwa of the Saint of the Last Days
Church was 'eaten' by the animals.

Bod, why are you acting like this?

Must be the devil at work ;-)

You are enjoying the fruits of being a jerk

On 05/30/2017 10:49 PM, Bod wrote:
On 31/05/2017 06:33, Bod wrote:
On 31/05/2017 06:31, T wrote:
On 05/30/2017 10:10 PM, Bod wrote:

The only thing I can do is to tell you my personal experience
and how I got there.
And since you did not ask me, I will only say that I have had a
personal relationship with my creator (Jesus) for as long as
I can remember and I also have a personal relationship
with a saint that chose me. The love I feel from them
is very obvious.

Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.


So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular
you are looking me?

Help,is there an interpreter in the house!


I could take up to an hour, maybe two, writing and writing.
I wanted to be more specific as to what he wanted.

Ever tried walking on water?

Pastor 'killed by crocodiles while trying to walk on water like Jesus'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-water.../amp/

15 May 2017 - Pastor Jonathan Mthethwa of the Saint of the Last Days
Church was 'eaten' by the animals.

Bod, why are you acting like this?

Must be the devil at work ;-)

Here's an interesting one:

My Semen is a Sacred Holy Milk - Pastor Makes Members Suck His ...
http://www.tori.ng/news/7973/my-seme...es-member.html

2 Sep 2015 - My Semen is a Sacred Holy Milk - Pastor Makes Members Suck
His Manhood in Church ... convincing them to suck his penis saying that
it contained "Sacred milk". ... in Apore, Goiás, Brazil, for raping
several women attending his church. ... The pastor is already in jail
where he said when they arrested him, ...

*And the stupid congregation actually did it*.

A new meaning to "blind faith"? LOL

Bod, There are a lot of folks out there that hate us. They
smear us all the time. This sure sound like one of those
smears. -T

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:31:53 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 05/30/2017 10:10 PM, Bod wrote:

The only thing I can do is to tell you my personal experience
and how I got there.
And since you did not ask me, I will only say that I have had a
personal relationship with my creator (Jesus) for as long as
I can remember and I also have a personal relationship
with a saint that chose me. The love I feel from them
is very obvious.

Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.

So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular
you are looking me?

Help,is there an interpreter in the house!

I could take up to an hour, maybe two, writing and writing.
I wanted to be more specific as to what he wanted.

Ever tried walking on water?

Pastor 'killed by crocodiles while trying to walk on water like Jesus'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-water.../amp/

15 May 2017 - Pastor Jonathan Mthethwa of the Saint of the Last Days
Church was 'eaten' by the animals.

Bod, why are you acting like this?


At a young age, Bod may have had a very bad experience with a minister or other very religious person. Perhaps he thinks all religious people are inflexible and will abuse him because he's chosen to be a heathen. I don't care what your religious beliefs are. I only care about how you treat people and other living things. I have a real problem with overly enthusiastic proselytizers who can't comprehend the phrase,"I'm not interested." I've come close to decking some of them but I now tell them that I'm a Satanist(I'm not) and worship The Devil. Sometimes I hiss at them, let out a deep evil laugh and invite them to be a sacrifice at the evening service. It causes some of them to freak out and run away. At least the Christian proselytizers don't behead non believers.(ﾉ °益°)ﾉ 彡

[8~{} Uncle Evil Monster

On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 5:47 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/29/2017 11:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/29/2017 2:12 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/29/2017 1:20 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/29/2017 7:10 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/28/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/28/2017 7:02 PM, Meanie wrote:

you cannot prove the existence of a supreme being.

You cannot prove the existence of love, hate, envy, etc. You can
only
show examples of what you think is a result of it.


They are emotions/mental state and proved when displaying the act of
that emotion.

So, belief in a God can be either or both an emotion/mental state
and is
proved when displaying that belief, according to your reasoning.

I'm not disputing the "belief" in God. Anyone can believe as they
wish,
it doesn't mean it's true. Many people once believed the world was
flat,
but it wasn't true. Kids believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy
until they discover its not true. Unfortunately, adults who are raised
to believe in a God can't accept the truth he doesn't exist.
Therefore,

How do you explain adults who weren't raised to believe in a God, yet,
they still do?



Free will.

How one came to believe is irrelevant. Many people feel the need for
guidance in their life. It still doesn't prove the existence of a
physical/supreme being.


Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that doesn't
prove love exists.


Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which one is
valid?


Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period. If love
didn't exist, then why did you marry? If love doesn't and your husband
(or any family member) died, you wouldn't care.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that doesn't
prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which one is
valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever to
"prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love exists by
using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated that
he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He thinks by
giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as proof. After all,
don't most people understand that love exists because they've felt love
themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove
a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either, and can
only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal evidence?

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."


--
Maggie

T news 2017 03:24:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/30/2017 05:27 PM, Diesel wrote:
T news 2017 10:48:04 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/29/2017 09:55 PM, Diesel wrote:
Muggles
news:almarsoft.1479249131625659202
@reader443.eternal-september.org Mon, 29 May 2017 05:12:03 GMT
in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Mon, 29 May 2017 05:58:27 +0100, Bod
wrote:
Prove love exists. Simply telling me you SHOW love is not
proof. It's simply your interpretation of something you feel
exists.

How is that any different from a belief in God?

Because my wife is real.

God is real.

Perhaps, perhaps not. No definitive proof of any kind, either
way.




Hi Diesel,

There is no argument or physical equation that can prove, or
conversely, disprove that God exists.

I agree...

The only thing I can do is to tell you my personal experience
and how I got there. And since you did not ask me, I will only
say that I have had a personal relationship with my creator
(Jesus) for as long as I can remember and I also have a personal
relationship with a saint that chose me. The love I feel from
them is very obvious.

Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.



So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?


Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.


--
Nope, I can't go to hell. Satan still has a restraining order
against me. https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

Uncle Monster
Wed, 31
May 2017 09:51:00 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

[snip]

At a young age, Bod may have had a very bad experience with a
minister or other very religious person. Perhaps he thinks all
religious people are inflexible and will abuse him because he's
chosen to be a heathen. I don't care what your religious beliefs
are. I only care about how you treat people and other living
things. I have a real problem with overly enthusiastic
proselytizers who can't comprehend the phrase,"I'm not
interested." I've come close to decking some of them but I now
tell them that I'm a Satanist(I'm not) and worship The Devil.
Sometimes I hiss at them, let out a deep evil laugh and invite
them to be a sacrifice at the evening service. It causes some of
them to freak out and run away. At least the Christian
proselytizers don't behead non believers.

ROFL.

I've tried doing similiar before. Perhaps I need to work on my hissing.
[g]


--
Nope, I can't go to hell.
Satan still has a restraining order against me.
https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."


There is no evidence. All religions were invented by man. Hence the 4200
different religions in the world. Each and every one is adamant that
there's is the truth. It's all a silly belief game.

On 5/31/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that doesn't
prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which one is
valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever to
"prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love exists by
using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated that
he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He thinks by
giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as proof. After all,
don't most people understand that love exists because they've felt love
themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove
a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either, and can
only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal evidence?

The question is, do you? Empirical is to experience which everyone does
and love is an experienced emotion. Otherwise, why did you marry or are
you afraid to admit you're wrong? Don't answer, we all know it.

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.
The irrelevancy is trying to spin an emotion to a physical being.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."



No, I explained the example of love and the comparison to a physical
creator. It's apples to oranges but you simply want it to spin your way,

The feelings of Godlike emotions doesn't prove the physical existence of
one. It simply proves people associate the emotions taught from the
goodness that religion teaches. If I was taught that unicorns created
the earth and they were a symbol of love and goodness, I'd act in that
manner believing unicorns will take me to a better place after death.
Emotions exists but a physical creator does not. Once again, you
unwilling to accept that is your problem.

Have the last word. I don't have the patience to deal with your spin
attempts.

On 01/06/2017 11:59, Meanie wrote:
On 5/31/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that
doesn't
prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which one is
valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever to
"prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love exists by
using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated that
he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He thinks by
giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as proof. After all,
don't most people understand that love exists because they've felt love
themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove
a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either, and can
only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal evidence?

The question is, do you? Empirical is to experience which everyone does
and love is an experienced emotion. Otherwise, why did you marry or are
you afraid to admit you're wrong? Don't answer, we all know it.

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you
wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.
The irrelevancy is trying to spin an emotion to a physical being.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."



No, I explained the example of love and the comparison to a physical
creator. It's apples to oranges but you simply want it to spin your way,

The feelings of Godlike emotions doesn't prove the physical existence of
one. It simply proves people associate the emotions taught from the
goodness that religion teaches. If I was taught that unicorns created
the earth and they were a symbol of love and goodness, I'd act in that
manner believing unicorns will take me to a better place after death.
Emotions exists but a physical creator does not. Once again, you
unwilling to accept that is your problem.

Have the last word. I don't have the patience to deal with your spin
attempts.

What Meanie is virtually implying, is that god exists, but emotions
don't if you follow it to its logical conclusion, yet emotions are
visible and known by everyone to exist. God only exists in peoples minds
and treated as an emotion.

On 01/06/2017 12:17, Bod wrote:
On 01/06/2017 11:59, Meanie wrote:
On 5/31/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that
doesn't
prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which one is
valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with
trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever to
"prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love exists by
using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated that
he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He thinks by
giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as proof. After all,
don't most people understand that love exists because they've felt love
themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove
a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either, and can
only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal evidence?

The question is, do you? Empirical is to experience which everyone
does and love is an experienced emotion. Otherwise, why did you marry
or are you afraid to admit you're wrong? Don't answer, we all know it.

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you
wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.
The irrelevancy is trying to spin an emotion to a physical being.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."



No, I explained the example of love and the comparison to a physical
creator. It's apples to oranges but you simply want it to spin your way,

The feelings of Godlike emotions doesn't prove the physical existence
of one. It simply proves people associate the emotions taught from the
goodness that religion teaches. If I was taught that unicorns created
the earth and they were a symbol of love and goodness, I'd act in that
manner believing unicorns will take me to a better place after death.
Emotions exists but a physical creator does not. Once again, you
unwilling to accept that is your problem.

Have the last word. I don't have the patience to deal with your spin
attempts.

What Meanie is virtually implying, is that god exists, but emotions
don't if you follow it to its logical conclusion, yet emotions are
visible and known by everyone to exist. God only exists in peoples minds
and treated as an emotion.

Big Whoops!! I obviously meant MUGGLES. [slaps face]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 06:59:08 -0400, Meanie wrote:

The feelings of Godlike emotions doesn't prove the physical existence of
one. It simply proves people associate the emotions taught from the
goodness that religion teaches. If I was taught that unicorns created
the earth and they were a symbol of love and goodness, I'd act in that
manner believing unicorns will take me to a better place after death.
Emotions exists but a physical creator does not. Once again, you
unwilling to accept that is your problem.

Have the last word. I don't have the patience to deal with your spin
attempts.

Jenny is attempting to use a logical fallacy, false equivalence, to
confuse the debate.

She is sloppily attempting to equate a state of mind with the cultists
assertion of existence of omnipotent deities. She is also attempting
to assert that anecdotal evidence is generally accepted as evidence of
existence of that which is tangible, i.e. This tree exists, the only
way this tree could exists is if it were created, hence, god exists
because this tree exists.

Her approach is disingenuous and intellectually lazy. As always, she
is not presenting valid arguments but simply trying to slip one past
the goalie.

Keep your respect, let's just talk about facts. You know what those
are, right? Facts are assertions which can be substantiated with
empirical evidence.

Where I worked if ya wanted a sure fire promotion ya joined the church
the boss was a member of. Whatever... ya can go with the system or
against it, whateeeeeever. I've known a lot of fine religious people
and many religious scoundrels all in the name of Gawd of course.

On 6/1/2017 7:18 AM, Bod wrote:
On 01/06/2017 12:17, Bod wrote:
On 01/06/2017 11:59, Meanie wrote:
On 5/31/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that
doesn't
prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or
anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which
one is
valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with
trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever to
"prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love
exists by
using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated that
he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He thinks by
giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as proof. After
all,
don't most people understand that love exists because they've felt love
themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove
a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either, and can
only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal evidence?

The question is, do you? Empirical is to experience which everyone
does and love is an experienced emotion. Otherwise, why did you marry
or are you afraid to admit you're wrong? Don't answer, we all know it.

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you
wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.
The irrelevancy is trying to spin an emotion to a physical being.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."



No, I explained the example of love and the comparison to a physical
creator. It's apples to oranges but you simply want it to spin your way,

The feelings of Godlike emotions doesn't prove the physical existence
of one. It simply proves people associate the emotions taught from
the goodness that religion teaches. If I was taught that unicorns
created the earth and they were a symbol of love and goodness, I'd
act in that manner believing unicorns will take me to a better place
after death. Emotions exists but a physical creator does not. Once
again, you unwilling to accept that is your problem.

Have the last word. I don't have the patience to deal with your spin
attempts.

What Meanie is virtually implying, is that god exists, but emotions
don't if you follow it to its logical conclusion, yet emotions are
visible and known by everyone to exist. God only exists in peoples
minds and treated as an emotion.

Big Whoops!! I obviously meant MUGGLES. [slaps face]

I had an emotional feeling that's what you meant. Wait, but maybe that
doesn't exist.

On 6/1/2017 2:40 AM, Bod wrote:

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you
wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."

There is no evidence. All religions were invented by man. Hence the 4200
different religions in the world. Each and every one is adamant that
there's is the truth. It's all a silly belief game.


Religion is how people of like mind gather together for a specific purpose.

The existence of a God is a different topic.
--
Maggie

On 6/1/2017 5:59 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/31/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that
doesn't
prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which one is
valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever to
"prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love exists by
using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated that
he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He thinks by
giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as proof. After all,
don't most people understand that love exists because they've felt love
themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove
a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either, and can
only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal evidence?


The question is, do you? Empirical is to experience which everyone does
and love is an experienced emotion. Otherwise, why did you marry or are
you afraid to admit you're wrong? Don't answer, we all know it.

You're WRONG.

anecdotal
- based on or consisting of reports or observations of usually
unscientific observers anecdotal evidence health benefits that may be
more anecdotal than ...

= Stories about why you love someone, why you married, etc.


empirical
- Relying on or derived from observation or experiment.
*Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment*.
Of or being a philosophy of medicine emphasizing practical experience
and observation over scientific theory.

= NOT stories about why you love someone, why you married, etc.



--
Maggie

On 6/1/2017 6:17 AM, Bod wrote:

What Meanie is virtually implying, is that god exists, but emotions
don't if you follow it to its logical conclusion, yet emotions are
visible and known by everyone to exist.

The problem is that many people do agree about emotions existing, but,
what about the people who don't feel emotions the same as others? How
would you prove to those people that love exists if they can't
experience that emotion?

God only exists in peoples minds and treated as an emotion.

Wrong.

--
Maggie

On 01/06/2017 23:09, Meanie wrote:
On 6/1/2017 7:18 AM, Bod wrote:
On 01/06/2017 12:17, Bod wrote:
On 01/06/2017 11:59, Meanie wrote:
On 5/31/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but that
doesn't
prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or
anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which
one is
valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along with
trying
to compare it with a physical creator. You simply refuse to bow down
from your adamant "I'm a strong woman" attitude which you frequently
display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever to
"prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love
exists by
using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated that
he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He thinks by
giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as proof. After
all,
don't most people understand that love exists because they've felt
love
themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to
prove
a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either, and can
only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal evidence?

The question is, do you? Empirical is to experience which everyone
does and love is an experienced emotion. Otherwise, why did you
marry or are you afraid to admit you're wrong? Don't answer, we all
know it.

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died, you
wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.
The irrelevancy is trying to spin an emotion to a physical being.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it doesn't
erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your
proof,
then I will have to conclude that you approve of also using anecdotal
stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we will have determined
"what sort of evidence is valid to prove a God exists."



No, I explained the example of love and the comparison to a physical
creator. It's apples to oranges but you simply want it to spin your
way,

The feelings of Godlike emotions doesn't prove the physical
existence of one. It simply proves people associate the emotions
taught from the goodness that religion teaches. If I was taught that
unicorns created the earth and they were a symbol of love and
goodness, I'd act in that manner believing unicorns will take me to
a better place after death. Emotions exists but a physical creator
does not. Once again, you unwilling to accept that is your problem.

Have the last word. I don't have the patience to deal with your spin
attempts.

What Meanie is virtually implying, is that god exists, but emotions
don't if you follow it to its logical conclusion, yet emotions are
visible and known by everyone to exist. God only exists in peoples
minds and treated as an emotion.

Big Whoops!! I obviously meant MUGGLES. [slaps face]

I had an emotional feeling that's what you meant. Wait, but maybe that
doesn't exist.

Lol.

Meanie news 2017 10:59:08 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 5/31/2017 11:13 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/31/2017 6:13 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 11:25 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 5/30/2017 4:27 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 5/30/2017 1:26 PM, Muggles wrote:

Many people feel the need for something called "love", but
that doesn't prove love exists.

Prove to me there is a physical being/creator in the sky or
anywhere.

Prove to me love exists.

Will you attempt to use empirical or anecdotal evidence? Which
one is valid?

Your problem is assuming it has to be one or the other along
with trying to compare it with a physical creator. You simply
refuse to bow down from your adamant "I'm a strong woman"
attitude which you frequently display.

It's not my problem. People have been after Christians forever
to "prove" by providing empirical evidence that a God exists.

There is nothing wrong with me asking an atheist to prove love
exists by using empirical evidence, too?

The shoe is on the other foot, and the atheist is a bit irritated
that he can't prove love exists by using empirical evidence. He
thinks by giving anecdotal stories as evidence should suffice as
proof. After all, don't most people understand that love exists
because they've felt love themselves?

**If it's acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to prove one thing
exists, then it should be acceptable to use anecdotal evidence to
prove a God exists.**

Simple. Don't you agree?

The fact is, you cannot prove a physical deity exist....period.

You can't use empirical evidence to prove love exists, either,
and can only offer anecdotal stories as evidence.

Do you know the difference between empirical vs. anecdotal
evidence?

The question is, do you? Empirical is to experience which everyone
does and love is an experienced emotion. Otherwise, why did you
marry or are you afraid to admit you're wrong? Don't answer, we
all know it.

If love didn't exist, then why did you marry?
If love doesn't and your husband (or any family member) died,
you wouldn't care.

Irrelevant to this discussion.
The irrelevancy is trying to spin an emotion to a physical being.

I provided my answer as did others. Your refusal to accept it
doesn't erase the fact

Please provide EMPIRICAL evidence that love exists.

If all you have to offer is anecdotal stories about love as your
proof, then I will have to conclude that you approve of also
using anecdotal stories as proof a God exists. At this point, we
will have determined "what sort of evidence is valid to prove a
God exists."



No, I explained the example of love and the comparison to a
physical creator. It's apples to oranges but you simply want it to
spin your way,

The feelings of Godlike emotions doesn't prove the physical
existence of one. It simply proves people associate the emotions
taught from the goodness that religion teaches. If I was taught
that unicorns created the earth and they were a symbol of love and
goodness, I'd act in that manner believing unicorns will take me
to a better place after death. Emotions exists but a physical
creator does not. Once again, you unwilling to accept that is your
problem.

Some people actually believe unicorns exist. ROFL, I know it sounds
crazy, but they do. Some people also think they can cast 'spells' and
have outside influence not only over their own life, but, others as
well by casting these spells. Nothing scientific about it mind you,
but they really believe they're witches and able to break the laws of
physics, etc, by using these 'spells'.

Have the last word. I don't have the patience to deal with your
spin attempts.

Your patience is admirable, considering how long you've put up with
her and her inane bull**** on a variety of topics thus far.




--
Nope, I can't go to hell.
Satan still has a restraining order against me.
https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.


So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.

On 06/01/2017 07:50 AM, My 2 Cents wrote:

Keep your respect, let's just talk about facts. You know what those
are, right? Facts are assertions which can be substantiated with
empirical evidence.

Where I worked if ya wanted a sure fire promotion ya joined the church
the boss was a member of.

That is disgusting. Usually it is insurance and real estate
agents joining one church after another to tap out sales.

Whatever... ya can go with the system or
against it, whateeeeeever. I've known a lot of fine religious people
and many religious scoundrels all in the name of Gawd of course.

I lost my largest customer years ago because I would not
assist him is defrauding a software company of around
~24,000 U$D annually in software licenses. He was
a Bible thumping Christian. I also did not help that
I shouted at him "Thou shalt not steal!"

So, obviously, Christians are not perfect. Think
of salvation as walking up the down escalator.
If you don't constantly strive at it, you slip
backwards. The term we use for it is "spiritual
warfare".

I work for a JW. It is not an issue, he does not
talk religion around all the Christians that
work for him and we don't give him a bad time.
He is a stand up guy.

Society benefits when religions complete with each
other in the arena of good work.

On 2017-06-02, T wrote:
I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

Sounds like my personal relationship with the Tooth Fairy.

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On 06/02/2017 01:31 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2017-06-02, T wrote:
I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

Sounds like my personal relationship with the Tooth Fairy.


To an outsider, it would seem that way. No problem.

:-)

On 02/06/2017 21:14, T wrote:
On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.

So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.




Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.
Is it type 1 or 2? I'm assuming it's 1 by the way you talk.

On 06/03/2017 12:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 21:14, T wrote:
On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.

So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.




Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.
Is it type 1 or 2? I'm assuming it's 1 by the way you talk.

T2 (carbohydrate poisoning)

Has it occurred to that the end result was better
health and a closer relationship with my wife?
Hmmm.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge
him, and he shall direct thy paths.
--Proverbs 3:5-6

Give up yet?

On 03/06/2017 08:55, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 21:14, T wrote:
On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.

So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.




Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.
Is it type 1 or 2? I'm assuming it's 1 by the way you talk.

T2 (carbohydrate poisoning)

Has it occurred to that the end result was better
health and a closer relationship with my wife?
Hmmm.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge
him, and he shall direct thy paths.
--Proverbs 3:5-6

Give up yet?

So you needed a god to tell you to use *common sense* and eat sensibly etc?

On 06/03/2017 01:16 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:55, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 21:14, T wrote:
On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.

So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.




Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.
Is it type 1 or 2? I'm assuming it's 1 by the way you talk.

T2 (carbohydrate poisoning)

Has it occurred to that the end result was better
health and a closer relationship with my wife?
Hmmm.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge
him, and he shall direct thy paths.
--Proverbs 3:5-6

Give up yet?

So you needed a god to tell you to use *common sense* and eat sensibly etc?

I got injured by "healthy carbs". There is no such thing.
I thought I was doing the right thing. I did not realize
it was government/industry corruption. I do now. And I
thought I was "eating sensibly".

Turn out my T2 injury was a huge blessing.

Give up yet?

On 03/06/2017 09:29, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:16 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:55, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 21:14, T wrote:
On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.

So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.




Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.
Is it type 1 or 2? I'm assuming it's 1 by the way you talk.

T2 (carbohydrate poisoning)

Has it occurred to that the end result was better
health and a closer relationship with my wife?
Hmmm.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge
him, and he shall direct thy paths.
--Proverbs 3:5-6

Give up yet?

So you needed a god to tell you to use *common sense* and eat sensibly
etc?

I got injured by "healthy carbs". There is no such thing.
I thought I was doing the right thing. I did not realize
it was government/industry corruption. I do now. And I
thought I was "eating sensibly".

Turn out my T2 injury was a huge blessing.

Give up yet?



Give up what?
Type two diabetes can easily be prevented from reacurring by simple
lifestyle changes. I know this from friends that have just used common
sense and good advice from a doctor.
It is not reversible, but can be managed with lifestyle changes.
Am I correct that you were well overweight before you changed your
lifestyle?

On 06/03/2017 01:39 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 09:29, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 01:16 AM, Bod wrote:
On 03/06/2017 08:55, T wrote:
On 06/03/2017 12:21 AM, Bod wrote:
On 02/06/2017 21:14, T wrote:
On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.

So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.




Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.
Is it type 1 or 2? I'm assuming it's 1 by the way you talk.

T2 (carbohydrate poisoning)

Has it occurred to that the end result was better
health and a closer relationship with my wife?
Hmmm.

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not
unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge
him, and he shall direct thy paths.
--Proverbs 3:5-6

Give up yet?

So you needed a god to tell you to use *common sense* and eat
sensibly etc?

I got injured by "healthy carbs". There is no such thing.
I thought I was doing the right thing. I did not realize
it was government/industry corruption. I do now. And I
thought I was "eating sensibly".

Turn out my T2 injury was a huge blessing.

Give up yet?



Give up what?

Give up your anti-God fantasy?

Type two diabetes can easily be prevented from reacurring by simple
lifestyle changes. I know this from friends that have just used common
sense and good advice from a doctor.

Good T2 advice from an Allopath is rare, but not unheard of.
A Naturopath is a far better source of advice.

It is not reversible,

Who told you that? Probably an Allopath. They can't heal
much of anything. You can heal your pancreas if you remove
the insult that harmed you in the first place.

Basically yo need to got back to your ancestral diet or
some semblance. The one the Lord designed our bodies
to handle. Not the modern high glycemic diet not found
in nature.

but can be managed with lifestyle changes.
Am I correct that you were well overweight before you changed your
lifestyle?

All T2's first gain weight like crazy when the insulin
resistance starts, then lose weight like crazy when
the full extent of the injury kicks in. The weight
gain (and loss) is from the diabetes, not the other
way around. (Fat bigots would have your believe
otherwise.)

I was starving with a belly full of food (like substances).

When I started losing weight, all my idiot friends
told me how good I looked. It delayed me getting
diagnosed. Not a good thing.

Give up yet?

T news 2017 20:14:14 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 05/31/2017 11:31 PM, Diesel wrote:
Alright then, I'll bite. Please feel free to share the personal
experience you speak of, if you want to do so. I'll read it.


So I don't doth out time, is there anything in particular you are
looking me?

Your personal experience and how you got there...I'm curious about
it.

Okay.

I have believed in God since before I can remember
and had a personal relation ship with him before I
know what it was.

It is like having an infinitely patient teacher next to
you giving you a guiding hand. And no, no, no, you
never want to disappoint him. The guilt when you do
something wrong is out of this world. He doesn't
put up with anything, but his corrections are very
loving. He also knows my weaknesses and it constantly
giving me nudges in the right direction.

It is said that the fear of God as in retribution is
the fear of a beginner. Having known him, the real
fear of God is being without him. This is misunderstood
a lot by those that do not believe.

He has actually spoken to me several times in
English, which I cherish. Mostly, I just have
a strong feeling that is very clear.

It is very humbling that he cares about me the way
he does.

And I always have to remember, I am a servant of God,
not the other way around.

Well, that was a bit vague, but, thanks for sharing what you did,
anyhow...


--
Nope, I can't go to hell.
Satan still has a restraining order against me.
https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 4:24:56 PM UTC-4, T wrote:

I work for a JW. It is not an issue, he does not
talk religion around all the Christians that
work for him and we don't give him a bad time.
He is a stand up guy.

I assume that JW is "Jehovah's Witness". Aren't
they Christians? They certainly invoke him often enough.

Cindy Hamilton

On 06/03/2017 03:21 AM, Bod wrote:
Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.


God didn't give anyone diabetes but if you are looking to assign blame,
start with the USDA and their "healthy whole grains" food pyramid.

FWIW, the USDA is a crooked wholly-owned subsidiary of BigFood Inc.
Their management should be serving life in prison.

On 03/06/2017 12:56, Trumpster wrote:
On 06/03/2017 03:21 AM, Bod wrote:
Yeh, he cares so much that he gave you diabetes.


God didn't give anyone diabetes but if you are looking to assign blame,
start with the USDA and their "healthy whole grains" food pyramid.

FWIW, the USDA is a crooked wholly-owned subsidiary of BigFood Inc.
Their management should be serving life in prison.

I was told from a religious nut, that all illnesses were god's
punishment for our ancestors naughty deeds. I've been told numerous
weird things by these nut jobs.