On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:19:44 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I was born in the North and I'll probably die here. I've spent some
winters in AZ and it was nice and all but I always gravitate back north.
A little cold weather keeps the vermin out.


Savages and bipedal predators usually don't like cold climates so how do you explain Chicago? ¯\_(?)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Tame Monster

Welfare recipients?

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 13:24:57 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:06:19 -0500, wrote:

41°F right now on the East Coast of Las Vegas. Rain expected through
Monday night. Two weeks ago we had some rains. On a single day there
were ~167 car accidents. People can't drive unless the roads are dry.

:-\
Lets face it, half of them can't drive PERIOD. What I noticed most
about the "city of lost wages" in November when I was there 20 odd
years ago was the SIRENS. Cop sirens, fire sirens, ambulance sirens -
24 hours a day, constantly, one after the other or fighting to be
heard over each other. Never heard such a racket before or since.

Not many natives here. Everybody is a transplant from somewhere. I'm
in a quite neighborhood and stay away from downtown. Maybe you stayed
in the upper part of the city, known as "naked city". I warn people
about that area. You should have called me ;-)
I was in a small hotel just off the strip - I was there for ComDex

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:51:58 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 01/07/2017 02:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?
When it gets down to -40 things turn over pretty slowly. At -20,
with winter oil and a good battery, generally not a problem starting.
Transmissions and differentials are a bit stiff and sluggish for a few
miles, and the springs and shocks complain, giving you a rough ride
for your troubles, but we get used to it - - -


Centigrade right? -40 is the same in both and is damn cold. -20C is -4F
and that's seldom a problem unless you've got an older car.
I was converting to F for all you metricly challenged Yanks and Rebs.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:03:39 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 3:48 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 01:05 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

It's gotten better. My Toyota coughed a couple of times and then
started. One factor is a smaller 4 cylinder engine filled with lighter
oil, the other is FI. It certainly does sort out marginal batteries though.

The other approach is some sort of block heater. A lot of pickups with
larger V8 engines have receptacles dangling from their grilles and are
plugged in at night. Back in the '70s we set up a plant in Minnesota and
it seldom got above -20. When I checked in to the motel I noticed each
room had an exterior receptacle. My rental wasn't equipped but the local
contractors all jumped out of their pickups with an extension cord to
plug them in.

Even when the vehicle starts it's fun driving. Manual transmissions are
difficult to shift until the gear oil gets warmed up and the shocks are
stiff so the ride is harsh. It's better with radial tires but the old
bias plies tended to have flat spots on the bottom that took some time
to warm up and round out.

You get much below zero and everything turns into a project. I carry a
Zippo in the winter just in case a lock freezes.

I've spent enough time in Arizona to realize that very high temps can be
life threatening but it's the severe cold that makes me paranoid. Screw
up and you die, it's that simple.


So, how many layers of clothes do those kind of temps require? Here,
it's been below 20° and once it got down to 5°. I usually have 3 layers
on and I'm good with that.

Underwear, regular outer clothing and a GOOD down filled coat does the
job. On real cold days flannel lined jeans over longjohns are a
welcome addition - or a pair of snowmobile pamts. if you are out in
the wind for any time.. Sometimes a good sweater under the coat.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:13:53 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:18:58 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?
When it gets down to -40 things turn over pretty slowly. At -20,
with winter oil and a good battery, generally not a problem starting.
Transmissions and differentials are a bit stiff and sluggish for a few
miles, and the springs and shocks complain, giving you a rough ride
for your troubles, but we get used to it - - -

You don't have engine oil heaters like the electric dipstick heater, the oil pan and battery heaters? Years ago, I serviced Stanley pneumatic doors in grocery stores and many of the operator assemblies had a stick on silicone pad that was an electric heater used to prevent the valves and regulators from freezing up. In real cold weather I sometimes put antifreeze in the air lines the keep the Star Trek doors working. All those doors have been replaced by 90 volt dc gear motor drive units by now so it's not a problem. I'm surprised that vehicles sold up der in Canada Land don't have engine oil and battery heaters as standard equipment, eh? ?(?)?

[8~{} Uncle Ice Monster
A coolant or block heater is more than adequate. Dipstick heaters
were just "emergency" heaters for cars without block heaters, battery
warmers were good too, but with PMGR starters only taking less than
half the current old bendix style starters used, we don't see as many
of them, at least here in the "interlaken" district of central
Ontario. Northern Alberta, and even Ottawa are a bit different.

On 01/07/2017 06:16 PM, wrote:
I was converting to F for all you metricly challenged Yanks and Rebs.

Okay. I didn't have a problem starting my car at -19F. I live close
enough to Alberta that I assume Canadians are operating on their own
wavelength. I can handle kph easily, Celcius to Fahrenheit a little less
so. However Loonies per liter to dollars per gallon stops me every time
but I always have the suspicion I've just been raped.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 20:13:22 -0500, wrote:

Lets face it, half of them can't drive PERIOD. What I noticed most
about the "city of lost wages" in November when I was there 20 odd
years ago was the SIRENS. Cop sirens, fire sirens, ambulance sirens -
24 hours a day, constantly, one after the other or fighting to be
heard over each other. Never heard such a racket before or since.

Not many natives here. Everybody is a transplant from somewhere. I'm
in a quite neighborhood and stay away from downtown. Maybe you stayed
in the upper part of the city, known as "naked city". I warn people
about that area. You should have called me ;-)

I was in a small hotel just off the strip - I was there for ComDex

We must have missed each other at ComDex. BTDT

On 01/07/2017 02:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
I suppose I could get used to that... don't think it's as hard up there
because everyone is probably used to it and driving in it, unlike around
here where a deep snow only happens once every 5 or 10 years.

The first significant snowfall of the year is retraining time. The
important point to remember is a 4WD vehicle sliding on ice hits just as
hard as a 2WD and a 4WD vehicle high centered on a berm is just as
useless as a 2WD.

On 01/07/2017 02:53 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 3:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.


Oh yeah .. I think I've heard of engine block heaters at some point.
Someone here probably has mentioned it a time or two, I think.


When I was a kid I just put an old electric hotplate under the
crankcase. Never even burned the garage down. Sometimes a 100W light
bulb under the hood would do the trick. Note to millenials: a 100W
equivalent LED ain't going to keep a sparrow warm.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 20:19:42 -0500, wrote:

So, how many layers of clothes do those kind of temps require? Here,
it's been below 20° and once it got down to 5°. I usually have 3 layers
on and I'm good with that.

Underwear, regular outer clothing and a GOOD down filled coat does the
job. On real cold days flannel lined jeans over longjohns are a
welcome addition - or a pair of snowmobile pamts. if you are out in
the wind for any time.. Sometimes a good sweater under the coat.

Shucks. I haven't had long pants on for years. A pair of shorts are
cheap, flops and a T-shirt.

Oh. And my favorite ball cap.

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:19:44 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I was born in the North and I'll probably die here. I've spent some
winters in AZ and it was nice and all but I always gravitate back north.
A little cold weather keeps the vermin out.

Savages and bipedal predators usually don't like cold climates so how do you explain Chicago? Å»\_(?)_/Å»

[8~{} Uncle Tame Monster

Welfare recipients?

More than likely fatherless children being spawned for decades. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Spawned Monster

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:11:33 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 01/07/2017 02:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
I suppose I could get used to that... don't think it's as hard up there
because everyone is probably used to it and driving in it, unlike around
here where a deep snow only happens once every 5 or 10 years.

The first significant snowfall of the year is retraining time. The
important point to remember is a 4WD vehicle sliding on ice hits just as
hard as a 2WD and a 4WD vehicle high centered on a berm is just as
useless as a 2WD.

"all 4wd does is gets you farther from help"

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:13:48 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 01/07/2017 02:53 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 3:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.


Oh yeah .. I think I've heard of engine block heaters at some point.
Someone here probably has mentioned it a time or two, I think.


When I was a kid I just put an old electric hotplate under the
crankcase. Never even burned the garage down. Sometimes a 100W light
bulb under the hood would do the trick. Note to millenials: a 100W
equivalent LED ain't going to keep a sparrow warm.
A guy I used to work with drove a '60 corvair and lived "out in the
sticks" up around Drayton Ontario. In the winter he parked it in the
corn crib, and when he got up in the morning he put the coffee on, and
went out to the corn crib where he has a steel fence post wrapped in
burlap and chichen wire soaking in a barrel of old engine oil and a
bit of diesel. He'd pull it out, spash some gas on it, and light it,
then stuff it under the back of the old corvair and go in for
breakfast. The back end of that butter yellow corvair was a tarball,
but he got in to work every day.

There are magnetic oil pan heaters available too, but they don't work
on the newfangled alloy and composite oil pans.

On 01/07/2017 04:19 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
Savages and bipedal predators usually don't like cold climates so how do you explain Chicago? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The dindus were lured up north to work in the factories. When they
factories left they couldn't find their way back to Alabama. Ain't you
lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAJRdeJyEc

Albert Collins 'Snowed In'

"Last winter I was in Chicago and the weather was awfully bad
Last winter I was in Chicago, and the weather was awfully bad
They say I was stuck in China Town, for the worst winter they ever had"

On 01/07/2017 04:52 PM, Oren wrote:
Used to work on Nellis AFB. NLV has gone to the wolves and gremlins.
Haven't been there in over a decade. Friends that visit and want to go
to the strip, I tell them to have fun. I'll be at home when you get
back.

I used to get off I15 out where they build the racetrack and go down
Nellis Blvd but since they finished 515 it isn't worth it. Last time I
came up from AZ the GPS had a brainstorm and said to get off at Eastern
Blvd. I figured I'd play along for laughs. It might have saved a mile or
two but I don't need to do that again.

I used to run a lot of carpet into Vegas and sometimes I would hit one
of the buffets. The last time I went to a casino for anything else was
shortly after they opened the Luxor. That was fun. I can kind of get
into a bunch of girls dressed up like Cleopatra.

On 01/07/2017 03:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
So, how many layers of clothes do those kind of temps require? Here,
it's been below 20° and once it got down to 5°. I usually have 3 layers
on and I'm good with that.

A couple depending. If I'm going out in the woods, wool pants, a flannel
shirt, and an insulated Carhartt jacket. I'm not standing around
admiring the scenery so that's enough. Going to town I have a Columbia
parka that does a good job but I might throw a fleece jacket under it.

20 is t-shirt weather It's supposed to get up into the 30's tomorrow
so I'll be out sunbathing. The good thing about below zero is it's
usually to dry to snow. They're predicting snow and freezing rain for
tomorrow and Monday.

On 01/07/2017 03:53 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
Wait a while, when the poles shift, you'll be in the tropics. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

Supposedly my ancestors chased the glaciers north about 12,000 years
ago. I'm not build for the tropics.

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 04:19 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
Savages and bipedal predators usually don't like cold climates so how do you explain Chicago? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The dindus were lured up north to work in the factories. When they
factories left they couldn't find their way back to Alabama. Ain't you
lucky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAJRdeJyEc

Albert Collins 'Snowed In'

"Last winter I was in Chicago and the weather was awfully bad
Last winter I was in Chicago, and the weather was awfully bad
They say I was stuck in China Town, for the worst winter they ever had"

Another calamity caused by Democrats/Commiecrats destroying the manufacturing industry in The U.S. with onerous regulations. People vote with their feet, business votes with moving vans. ヽ(à²*_à²*)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Moving Monster

On 01/07/2017 04:13 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
You don't have engine oil heaters like the electric dipstick heater, the oil pan and battery heaters?

Not as much need when you're running 0w-20 or 5w-20 oil.

On 1/7/2017 4:49 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 11:21:45 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:

On 1/7/2017 7:21 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 6:43:20 AM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .
--
Snag

Here in Birmingham it 17°F at 7:00am and that is very unusual for Alabastan. I looked out the window and there is a lot of snow in the courtyard and a lot of the staff are trapped here because the roads are closed and authorities want people to stay off the iced over streets and highways. The TV and radio stations are on top of Red mountain so those folks had to spend the night at the stations. My brother is up on Rufner Mountain and there is no way to move without an accident because you'd slide right down the hill. Nothing much is moving and the streets are deserted. Lot's of wrecks, jackknifed trucks and people stuck. The 4wd news vehicles are out showing all the 18 wheelers parked on the side of the interstates because they can't move on the black ice. The good thing is that there are no power outages to speak of. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Mountain_(Birmingham)

https://ruffnermountain.org/explore/

[8~{} Uncle Cold Monster


Do you have city salt and sand trucks out treating the streets?
--
Maggie



We have some trucks modified to spread sand and brine plus fitted with attachments for snow plows but we don't have the infrastructure for clearing snow from roads that states up North have. We don't get snow often enough to invest the millions the snow belt states have in snow plows. I don't think anyone considered putting any money into snow clearing equipment until the blizzard of 1993 paralyzed the Southern states. That's when cities, counties and the state highway department modified some of the 6 wheel dump trucks to accept snow abatement gear. The snow plow, brine and sand spreader attachments may sit unused for years before ever being needed again. By that time the trucks that were modified to accept the plows have aged out of the fleet and are sold off. That darn Global Warming has brought us all this snow. Soon, many of us in The South may have to learn how to build igloos, especially after the poles shift and Florida becomes the new North Pole. Jimmy Buffet will have to change the lyrics to his song to "Freezing up in frozen daiquiriville".ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Ice Monster



Here's to hoping the poles don't change, then!

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 7:19 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:03:39 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 3:48 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 01:05 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

It's gotten better. My Toyota coughed a couple of times and then
started. One factor is a smaller 4 cylinder engine filled with lighter
oil, the other is FI. It certainly does sort out marginal batteries though.

The other approach is some sort of block heater. A lot of pickups with
larger V8 engines have receptacles dangling from their grilles and are
plugged in at night. Back in the '70s we set up a plant in Minnesota and
it seldom got above -20. When I checked in to the motel I noticed each
room had an exterior receptacle. My rental wasn't equipped but the local
contractors all jumped out of their pickups with an extension cord to
plug them in.

Even when the vehicle starts it's fun driving. Manual transmissions are
difficult to shift until the gear oil gets warmed up and the shocks are
stiff so the ride is harsh. It's better with radial tires but the old
bias plies tended to have flat spots on the bottom that took some time
to warm up and round out.

You get much below zero and everything turns into a project. I carry a
Zippo in the winter just in case a lock freezes.

I've spent enough time in Arizona to realize that very high temps can be
life threatening but it's the severe cold that makes me paranoid. Screw
up and you die, it's that simple.


So, how many layers of clothes do those kind of temps require? Here,
it's been below 20° and once it got down to 5°. I usually have 3 layers
on and I'm good with that.

Underwear, regular outer clothing and a GOOD down filled coat does the
job. On real cold days flannel lined jeans over longjohns are a
welcome addition - or a pair of snowmobile pamts. if you are out in
the wind for any time.. Sometimes a good sweater under the coat.


Those flannel lined jeans over longjohns sound awesome!

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 8:11 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 02:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
I suppose I could get used to that... don't think it's as hard up there
because everyone is probably used to it and driving in it, unlike around
here where a deep snow only happens once every 5 or 10 years.


The first significant snowfall of the year is retraining time. The
important point to remember is a 4WD vehicle sliding on ice hits just as
hard as a 2WD and a 4WD vehicle high centered on a berm is just as
useless as a 2WD.


If ice is on the roads I don't go anywhere. If there's some snow and
it's not too deep I can usually make my way to the main roads that have
been cleared. The City never clears the neighborhood roads.

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 8:13 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 02:53 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 3:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2
degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at
those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.


Oh yeah .. I think I've heard of engine block heaters at some point.
Someone here probably has mentioned it a time or two, I think.


When I was a kid I just put an old electric hotplate under the
crankcase. Never even burned the garage down. Sometimes a 100W light
bulb under the hood would do the trick. Note to millenials: a 100W
equivalent LED ain't going to keep a sparrow warm.


LOL

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 9:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 03:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
So, how many layers of clothes do those kind of temps require? Here,
it's been below 20° and once it got down to 5°. I usually have 3 layers
on and I'm good with that.


A couple depending. If I'm going out in the woods, wool pants, a flannel
shirt, and an insulated Carhartt jacket. I'm not standing around
admiring the scenery so that's enough. Going to town I have a Columbia
parka that does a good job but I might throw a fleece jacket under it.

20 is t-shirt weather It's supposed to get up into the 30's tomorrow
so I'll be out sunbathing. The good thing about below zero is it's
usually to dry to snow. They're predicting snow and freezing rain for
tomorrow and Monday.

We ordered a pizza a couple nights ago and it was below 20° at the time
the man delivered it in shorts and a t-shirt!! I asked about his attire
and he said the temps didn't bother him. I just don't understand how
some people don't feel the cold. Our neighbors son was the same way
growing up.
--
Maggie

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 9:06:50 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 03:53 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
Wait a while, when the poles shift, you'll be in the tropics. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

Supposedly my ancestors chased the glaciers north about 12,000 years
ago. I'm not build for the tropics.

I have Neanderthal genes mixed in with everything else. My distant ancestors mated with everything in sight. My more modern ancestors, Italians and Hillbillies will mate with anything. I suppose they believed genetic diversity makes one stronger. Most women run screaming from me, I'm a monster ya know.ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Cave Monster

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:48:52 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Underwear, regular outer clothing and a GOOD down filled coat does the
job. On real cold days flannel lined jeans over longjohns are a
welcome addition - or a pair of snowmobile pamts. if you are out in
the wind for any time.. Sometimes a good sweater under the coat.


Those flannel lined jeans over longjohns sound awesome!
Gotta be carefull if you are going out to work, like shovelling snow
- you get sweated and THEN you get COLD - no matter what you are
wearing.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:51:56 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 8:11 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 02:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
I suppose I could get used to that... don't think it's as hard up there
because everyone is probably used to it and driving in it, unlike around
here where a deep snow only happens once every 5 or 10 years.


The first significant snowfall of the year is retraining time. The
important point to remember is a 4WD vehicle sliding on ice hits just as
hard as a 2WD and a 4WD vehicle high centered on a berm is just as
useless as a 2WD.


If ice is on the roads I don't go anywhere. If there's some snow and
it's not too deep I can usually make my way to the main roads that have
been cleared. The City never clears the neighborhood roads.
As long as there is less than 8 inches of snow on the road, the
Ranger gets through. The Taurus handles 4 inches with no problem - at
six I'd rather leave it in the driveway. Snow tires on both. Ranger
RWD, Taurus FWD. I stay OFF the main roads when it gets snowy because
I know what I can handle, and don't need to deal with those who don't.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 21:26:42 -0500, wrote:

A guy I used to work with drove a '60 corvair and lived "out in the
sticks" up around Drayton Ontario. In the winter he parked it in the
corn crib, and when he got up in the morning he put the coffee on, and
went out to the corn crib where he has a steel fence post wrapped in
burlap and chichen wire soaking in a barrel of old engine oil and a
bit of diesel. He'd pull it out, spash some gas on it, and light it,
then stuff it under the back of the old corvair and go in for
breakfast. The back end of that butter yellow corvair was a tarball,
but he got in to work every day.

And you cannucks call us rednecks? Have mercy :-)

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:52:13 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 01/07/2017 04:52 PM, Oren wrote:
Used to work on Nellis AFB. NLV has gone to the wolves and gremlins.
Haven't been there in over a decade. Friends that visit and want to go
to the strip, I tell them to have fun. I'll be at home when you get
back.

I used to get off I15 out where they build the racetrack and go down
Nellis Blvd but since they finished 515 it isn't worth it. Last time I
came up from AZ the GPS had a brainstorm and said to get off at Eastern
Blvd. I figured I'd play along for laughs. It might have saved a mile or
two but I don't need to do that again.

We got a new prison warden. I pointed to the Race Track and said they
built that track in a year and had their first NASCAR race. Convicts
have been working for year to restore a prison housing unit and they
still haven't done it

I'm a few blocks from S Eastern & 215 now. Stop in and see us
sometime.

I used to run a lot of carpet into Vegas and sometimes I would hit one
of the buffets. The last time I went to a casino for anything else was
shortly after they opened the Luxor. That was fun. I can kind of get
into a bunch of girls dressed up like Cleopatra.


The Luxor looks small, but inside you can hang a few 747's in the
ceiling.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:56:05 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

We ordered a pizza a couple nights ago and it was below 20° at the time
the man delivered it in shorts and a t-shirt!! I asked about his attire
and he said the temps didn't bother him. I just don't understand how
some people don't feel the cold. Our neighbors son was the same way
growing up.

Never had a deep dish pizza before. Check out Greg's version you can
make in a cast iron skillet. On my to-do list before my doctor fires
me :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfjPKne-Ziw

Deep Dish Pizza Dough Recipe: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/the-real...
Sauce Recipe: http://youtu.be/Zzdu5mjUnsw

On 01/07/2017 07:21 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:11:33 -0700, rbowman wrote:

On 01/07/2017 02:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
I suppose I could get used to that... don't think it's as hard up there
because everyone is probably used to it and driving in it, unlike around
here where a deep snow only happens once every 5 or 10 years.

The first significant snowfall of the year is retraining time. The
important point to remember is a 4WD vehicle sliding on ice hits just as
hard as a 2WD and a 4WD vehicle high centered on a berm is just as
useless as a 2WD.

"all 4wd does is gets you farther from help"

My favorite 4WD find was an Eddie Bauer Explorer. My reconstruction is
the guy drove around a tight switchback and found he couldn't make it up
the grade on the other side. Admitting defeat he tried to turn around.
The switchback was there to accommodate a gulch in the hillside, and,
unfortunately he managed to drive off the road, going about 20' down the
steep gulch backwards. That must have been fun. Being an intrepid
explorer, the truck was equipped with a Warn winch. He ran the winch
cable out, tied off to a sturdy pine, and all was good. Until the winch
cable snapped, that is. At that point he must have walked back to town
and decided to wait until spring to retrieve it.

I'd hit a deep drift about a quarter mile down the road and had parked
the bike so I was on foot.

On 01/07/2017 08:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
If ice is on the roads I don't go anywhere. If there's some snow and
it's not too deep I can usually make my way to the main roads that have
been cleared. The City never clears the neighborhood roads.

Ice is a fact of life around here so I run studs. I'm on a school bus
route so they do plow -- except when the schools are on Christmas break.
The road has two 90 degree 20 mph curves where it follows old property
lines. They are bad enough in the summer and result in some interesting
parking places in the winter.

On 01/07/2017 07:14 PM, Oren wrote:
Shucks. I haven't had long pants on for years. A pair of shorts are
cheap, flops and a T-shirt.

My mother used to try to get me to wear shorts. I'd had enough of that
crap by the time I was 10.

On 01/07/2017 08:48 PM, Muggles wrote:
Those flannel lined jeans over longjohns sound awesome!

Flannel lined jeans have one problem -- wet cotton sucks the heat right
out of you.

On 1/7/2017 10:24 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:48:52 -0600, Muggles
wrote:



Underwear, regular outer clothing and a GOOD down filled coat does the
job. On real cold days flannel lined jeans over longjohns are a
welcome addition - or a pair of snowmobile pamts. if you are out in
the wind for any time.. Sometimes a good sweater under the coat.



Those flannel lined jeans over longjohns sound awesome!

Gotta be carefull if you are going out to work, like shovelling snow
- you get sweated and THEN you get COLD - no matter what you are
wearing.


So far I haven't had to shovel any snow! woohoo!


--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 10:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:51:56 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 8:11 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 02:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
I suppose I could get used to that... don't think it's as hard up there
because everyone is probably used to it and driving in it, unlike around
here where a deep snow only happens once every 5 or 10 years.


The first significant snowfall of the year is retraining time. The
important point to remember is a 4WD vehicle sliding on ice hits just as
hard as a 2WD and a 4WD vehicle high centered on a berm is just as
useless as a 2WD.



If ice is on the roads I don't go anywhere. If there's some snow and
it's not too deep I can usually make my way to the main roads that have
been cleared. The City never clears the neighborhood roads.

As long as there is less than 8 inches of snow on the road, the
Ranger gets through. The Taurus handles 4 inches with no problem - at
six I'd rather leave it in the driveway. Snow tires on both. Ranger
RWD, Taurus FWD. I stay OFF the main roads when it gets snowy because
I know what I can handle, and don't need to deal with those who don't.


I'm not so worried about me driving in snow as I am about the people
around me doing stupid stuff and sliding into me!

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 11:11 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 21:56:05 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

We ordered a pizza a couple nights ago and it was below 20° at the time
the man delivered it in shorts and a t-shirt!! I asked about his attire
and he said the temps didn't bother him. I just don't understand how
some people don't feel the cold. Our neighbors son was the same way
growing up.

Never had a deep dish pizza before. Check out Greg's version you can
make in a cast iron skillet. On my to-do list before my doctor fires
me :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfjPKne-Ziw

Deep Dish Pizza Dough Recipe: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/the-real...
Sauce Recipe: http://youtu.be/Zzdu5mjUnsw


wow ... that's more like a lasagna!

--
Maggie

On 1/8/2017 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 08:51 PM, Muggles wrote:
If ice is on the roads I don't go anywhere. If there's some snow and
it's not too deep I can usually make my way to the main roads that have
been cleared. The City never clears the neighborhood roads.

Ice is a fact of life around here so I run studs. I'm on a school bus
route so they do plow -- except when the schools are on Christmas break.
The road has two 90 degree 20 mph curves where it follows old property
lines. They are bad enough in the summer and result in some interesting
parking places in the winter.

HAHA! "interesting parking places!"

--
Maggie

On 1/8/2017 12:47 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 08:48 PM, Muggles wrote:
Those flannel lined jeans over longjohns sound awesome!

Flannel lined jeans have one problem -- wet cotton sucks the heat right
out of you.

Don't get it wet? LOL

--
Maggie

On 1/8/2017 11:00 AM, Muggles wrote:


I'm not so worried about me driving in snow as I am about the people
around me doing stupid stuff and sliding into me!



A few years ago I was driving to work in the snow. I saw flashing
lights ahead and then saw a car off the road and a woman about 60
standing next to it. Looked like it could just be pulled out of the grass.

Going home I was going down a hill and approaching a curve and saw
flashing lights ahead. Yes, she should have just stayed home that day.