I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was. That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...75524659..html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .
--
Snag

On 01/07/2017 07:43 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .



Go hunker down in your safe space, Cupcake.

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of it.

On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 6:43:20 AM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .
--
Snag

Here in Birmingham it 17°F at 7:00am and that is very unusual for Alabastan. I looked out the window and there is a lot of snow in the courtyard and a lot of the staff are trapped here because the roads are closed and authorities want people to stay off the iced over streets and highways. The TV and radio stations are on top of Red mountain so those folks had to spend the night at the stations. My brother is up on Rufner Mountain and there is no way to move without an accident because you'd slide right down the hill. Nothing much is moving and the streets are deserted. Lot's of wrecks, jackknifed trucks and people stuck. The 4wd news vehicles are out showing all the 18 wheelers parked on the side of the interstates because they can't move on the black ice. The good thing is that there are no power outages to speak of. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Mountain_(Birmingham)

https://ruffnermountain.org/explore/

[8~{} Uncle Cold Monster

Frosty wrote:
On 01/07/2017 07:43 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it
was. That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when
it shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit.
?(.?.)?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my
wife just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into
ice on the roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road
yesterday afternoon down into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere
until the roads are cleared .


Go hunker down in your safe space, Cupcake.

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Oh do please **** off . The difference is that up there y'all are prepared
for snow and ice . It's a rare enough occurence here that we don't have a
fleet of snowplows to keep the roads clear . It might be 3 or 4 days before
the county's road graders make it down here to our dirt road . If I really
really had to get out I have chains , but just so Walmart can make a buck on
the wife's labor isn't worth the effort . And BTW , I grew up in snow
country , and have no qualms about driving on snow-covered roads . But up
here they get iced , and winding mountain roads are dangerous .
--
Snag

On 1/7/2017 8:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.
Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


I'm a sherpa on Mount Everest and...oh nevermind.

On 1/7/17 6:57 AM, Frosty wrote:
On 01/07/2017 07:43 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my
wife just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze
into ice on the roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road
yesterday afternoon down into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere
until the roads are cleared .

Go hunker down in your safe space, Cupcake. I live in northern
Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice from November through
March. Never missed a day of work because of it.

Head out to Colorado sometime if you get a chance. One can drive
for a half hour or so then look down to see where you were at the start.
Then maybe cruise down to the Four Corners area. You'll see some
of the best scenery in the world.

On 1/7/2017 8:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


If the snow has stopped and roads clear, not that big a deal. If still
snowing, I don't do thing like that any more. There is nothing that can
happen in my life that cannot be postponed. Especially work. I'm
semi-retired and see no reason to drive to work in the snow these days.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:56:43 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was. That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(•?•)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

I saw the other day Mississippi was hit hard with snow.

41°F right now on the East Coast of Las Vegas. Rain expected through
Monday night. Two weeks ago we had some rains. On a single day there
were ~167 car accidents. People can't drive unless the roads are dry.

:-\

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 10:14:33 AM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:56:43 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was. That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(€¢?€¢)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

I saw the other day Mississippi was hit hard with snow.

41°F right now on the East Coast of Las Vegas. Rain expected through
Monday night. Two weeks ago we had some rains. On a single day there
were ~167 car accidents. People can't drive unless the roads are dry.

:-\

It's been several years since I've driven a motor vehicle. My wheelchair is powered like a Flintstones car with hand steering. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Wheeled Monster

On 1/7/2017 3:56 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was. That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster


We got a dusting of the white stuff Thursday.

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 6:43 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .


All the main roads here are clear, but, pavement that's in the shadows
and side streets that weren't treated still have a dusting of snow on
it. When I drove the truck this morning all the snow on it just blew
off, and the truck looked like a dust storm going down the road until
all the dusting of snow had blown off.

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 7:21 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 6:43:20 AM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .
--
Snag

Here in Birmingham it 17°F at 7:00am and that is very unusual for Alabastan. I looked out the window and there is a lot of snow in the courtyard and a lot of the staff are trapped here because the roads are closed and authorities want people to stay off the iced over streets and highways. The TV and radio stations are on top of Red mountain so those folks had to spend the night at the stations. My brother is up on Rufner Mountain and there is no way to move without an accident because you'd slide right down the hill. Nothing much is moving and the streets are deserted. Lot's of wrecks, jackknifed trucks and people stuck. The 4wd news vehicles are out showing all the 18 wheelers parked on the side of the interstates because they can't move on the black ice. The good thing is that there are no power outages to speak of. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Mountain_(Birmingham)

https://ruffnermountain.org/explore/

[8~{} Uncle Cold Monster


Do you have city salt and sand trucks out treating the streets?

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 12:18 PM, Muggles wrote:


All the main roads here are clear, but, pavement that's in the shadows
and side streets that weren't treated still have a dusting of snow on
it. When I drove the truck this morning all the snow on it just blew
off, and the truck looked like a dust storm going down the road until
all the dusting of snow had blown off.


Driving a snow covered car is illegal in many states. That dust storm
can blind other drivers, hard packed snow can do damage. But maybe you
had a good reason and not just lazy.

On 1/7/2017 11:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/7/2017 12:18 PM, Muggles wrote:


All the main roads here are clear, but, pavement that's in the shadows
and side streets that weren't treated still have a dusting of snow on
it. When I drove the truck this morning all the snow on it just blew
off, and the truck looked like a dust storm going down the road until
all the dusting of snow had blown off.


Driving a snow covered car is illegal in many states. That dust storm
can blind other drivers, hard packed snow can do damage. But maybe you
had a good reason and not just lazy.

It's my husbands truck, and it's big. I got as much off of it that I
could reach. It didn't have much on it to begin with, and most of the
stuff that flew off of it was what I wiped off the windshield. I was
sort of surprised that the snow was as lightweight as it was and really
didn't expect it to blow off like it did. It was one of those "whoa!"
moments, and it really didn't last that long.

--
Maggie

On 01/07/2017 05:57 AM, Frosty wrote:
On 01/07/2017 07:43 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html


[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on
the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon
down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .



Go hunker down in your safe space, Cupcake.

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice from
November through March. Never missed a day of work because of it.

I could say the same. Of course, Thanksgiving weekend is when I
traditionally put the studs on and they come off sometime in the spring
about the time I put the batteries back in the bikes and fire them up.

I've been in Atlanta when they got a couple of inches of snow. It wasn't
pretty.

On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.

On 01/07/2017 07:16 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Oh do please **** off . The difference is that up there y'all are prepared
for snow and ice . It's a rare enough occurence here that we don't have a
fleet of snowplows to keep the roads clear .

Snowplows? This state is very religious. God put the snow there and He
will remove it in his own sweet time.

On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

--
Maggie

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:14:20 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:56:43 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was. That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(•?•)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

I saw the other day Mississippi was hit hard with snow.

41°F right now on the East Coast of Las Vegas. Rain expected through
Monday night. Two weeks ago we had some rains. On a single day there
were ~167 car accidents. People can't drive unless the roads are dry.

:-\
Lets face it, half of them can't drive PERIOD. What I noticed most
about the "city of lost wages" in November when I was there 20 odd
years ago was the SIRENS. Cop sirens, fire sirens, ambulance sirens -
24 hours a day, constantly, one after the other or fighting to be
heard over each other. Never heard such a racket before or since.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:18:58 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 6:43 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .


All the main roads here are clear, but, pavement that's in the shadows
and side streets that weren't treated still have a dusting of snow on
it. When I drove the truck this morning all the snow on it just blew
off, and the truck looked like a dust storm going down the road until
all the dusting of snow had blown off.
We had over a foot before Christmas - then got a thaw that knocked
that down by half - and another 8 inches after New Years - with half
an inch at a time since.. My brother up between Huntsville and Parry
sound says there is 5 feet in places, but they can't open the
snowmobile trails because the swamps are not frozen - he spent 5 hours
getting his machine out of the mud when he was out monitoring the
trails through his propeerty last week.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?
When it gets down to -40 things turn over pretty slowly. At -20,
with winter oil and a good battery, generally not a problem starting.
Transmissions and differentials are a bit stiff and sluggish for a few
miles, and the springs and shocks complain, giving you a rough ride
for your troubles, but we get used to it - - -

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:06:19 -0500, wrote:

41°F right now on the East Coast of Las Vegas. Rain expected through
Monday night. Two weeks ago we had some rains. On a single day there
were ~167 car accidents. People can't drive unless the roads are dry.

:-\
Lets face it, half of them can't drive PERIOD. What I noticed most
about the "city of lost wages" in November when I was there 20 odd
years ago was the SIRENS. Cop sirens, fire sirens, ambulance sirens -
24 hours a day, constantly, one after the other or fighting to be
heard over each other. Never heard such a racket before or since.

Not many natives here. Everybody is a transplant from somewhere. I'm
in a quite neighborhood and stay away from downtown. Maybe you stayed
in the upper part of the city, known as "naked city". I warn people
about that area. You should have called me ;-)

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.

On 01/07/2017 01:05 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

It's gotten better. My Toyota coughed a couple of times and then
started. One factor is a smaller 4 cylinder engine filled with lighter
oil, the other is FI. It certainly does sort out marginal batteries though.

The other approach is some sort of block heater. A lot of pickups with
larger V8 engines have receptacles dangling from their grilles and are
plugged in at night. Back in the '70s we set up a plant in Minnesota and
it seldom got above -20. When I checked in to the motel I noticed each
room had an exterior receptacle. My rental wasn't equipped but the local
contractors all jumped out of their pickups with an extension cord to
plug them in.

Even when the vehicle starts it's fun driving. Manual transmissions are
difficult to shift until the gear oil gets warmed up and the shocks are
stiff so the ride is harsh. It's better with radial tires but the old
bias plies tended to have flat spots on the bottom that took some time
to warm up and round out.

You get much below zero and everything turns into a project. I carry a
Zippo in the winter just in case a lock freezes.

I've spent enough time in Arizona to realize that very high temps can be
life threatening but it's the severe cold that makes me paranoid. Screw
up and you die, it's that simple.

On 1/7/2017 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:18:58 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 6:43 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared .


All the main roads here are clear, but, pavement that's in the shadows
and side streets that weren't treated still have a dusting of snow on
it. When I drove the truck this morning all the snow on it just blew
off, and the truck looked like a dust storm going down the road until
all the dusting of snow had blown off.

We had over a foot before Christmas - then got a thaw that knocked
that down by half - and another 8 inches after New Years - with half
an inch at a time since.. My brother up between Huntsville and Parry
sound says there is 5 feet in places, but they can't open the
snowmobile trails because the swamps are not frozen - he spent 5 hours
getting his machine out of the mud when he was out monitoring the
trails through his propeerty last week.


yikes! That's still a lot of snow and mud!

--
Maggie

On 1/7/2017 3:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.



Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

When it gets down to -40 things turn over pretty slowly. At -20,
with winter oil and a good battery, generally not a problem starting.
Transmissions and differentials are a bit stiff and sluggish for a few
miles, and the springs and shocks complain, giving you a rough ride
for your troubles, but we get used to it - - -


I suppose I could get used to that... don't think it's as hard up there
because everyone is probably used to it and driving in it, unlike around
here where a deep snow only happens once every 5 or 10 years.

--
Maggie

On 01/07/2017 02:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?
When it gets down to -40 things turn over pretty slowly. At -20,
with winter oil and a good battery, generally not a problem starting.
Transmissions and differentials are a bit stiff and sluggish for a few
miles, and the springs and shocks complain, giving you a rough ride
for your troubles, but we get used to it - - -


Centigrade right? -40 is the same in both and is damn cold. -20C is -4F
and that's seldom a problem unless you've got an older car.

On 1/7/2017 3:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.


Oh yeah .. I think I've heard of engine block heaters at some point.
Someone here probably has mentioned it a time or two, I think.

--
Maggie

On 01/07/2017 02:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.


I was born in the North and I'll probably die here. I've spent some
winters in AZ and it was nice and all but I always gravitate back north.
A little cold weather keeps the vermin out.

On 01/07/2017 02:24 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:06:19 -0500, wrote:

41°F right now on the East Coast of Las Vegas. Rain expected through
Monday night. Two weeks ago we had some rains. On a single day there
were ~167 car accidents. People can't drive unless the roads are dry.

:-\
Lets face it, half of them can't drive PERIOD. What I noticed most
about the "city of lost wages" in November when I was there 20 odd
years ago was the SIRENS. Cop sirens, fire sirens, ambulance sirens -
24 hours a day, constantly, one after the other or fighting to be
heard over each other. Never heard such a racket before or since.

Not many natives here. Everybody is a transplant from somewhere. I'm
in a quite neighborhood and stay away from downtown. Maybe you stayed
in the upper part of the city, known as "naked city". I warn people
about that area. You should have called me ;-)


North LV is a fine place... I often run I15/93 from MT to AZ and I try
to time my passage through SLC and LV for times when the natives are
subdued.

On 1/7/2017 3:48 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 01:05 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

It's gotten better. My Toyota coughed a couple of times and then
started. One factor is a smaller 4 cylinder engine filled with lighter
oil, the other is FI. It certainly does sort out marginal batteries though.

The other approach is some sort of block heater. A lot of pickups with
larger V8 engines have receptacles dangling from their grilles and are
plugged in at night. Back in the '70s we set up a plant in Minnesota and
it seldom got above -20. When I checked in to the motel I noticed each
room had an exterior receptacle. My rental wasn't equipped but the local
contractors all jumped out of their pickups with an extension cord to
plug them in.

Even when the vehicle starts it's fun driving. Manual transmissions are
difficult to shift until the gear oil gets warmed up and the shocks are
stiff so the ride is harsh. It's better with radial tires but the old
bias plies tended to have flat spots on the bottom that took some time
to warm up and round out.

You get much below zero and everything turns into a project. I carry a
Zippo in the winter just in case a lock freezes.

I've spent enough time in Arizona to realize that very high temps can be
life threatening but it's the severe cold that makes me paranoid. Screw
up and you die, it's that simple.


So, how many layers of clothes do those kind of temps require? Here,
it's been below 20° and once it got down to 5°. I usually have 3 layers
on and I'm good with that.

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Maggie

On 1/7/2017 4:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.


I had one in my Mercedes Diesel. It was nice to have the heat blowing
about a minute after starting the car.

My last four cars had remote starters. Present car has a heated
steering wheel and that is very nice on a cold morning.

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 11:21:45 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 1/7/2017 7:21 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 6:43:20 AM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
I looked out into the courtyard yesterday afternoon and there it was.
That rare thing for The South which causes complete chaos when it
shows up. Kind of like a herd of toddlers coming for a visit. ?(.?.)?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/snow-stor...075524659.html

[8~{} Uncle Snow Monster

We got up and there it was yesterday ... right now it's 7°F and my wife
just called in to work because the snow melted and refroze into ice on the
roads . The neighbor almost slid off our dirt road yesterday afternoon down
into the "ravine" . We ain't goin' nowhere until the roads are cleared

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 1:50:24 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Wait a while, when the poles shift, you'll be in the tropics. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Compass Monster

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:18:58 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 06:10 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-01-07, Frosty wrote:

I live in northern Michigan. We get almost daily snow and/or ice
from November through March. Never missed a day of work because of
it.

Big whoop.

I live in the CO Rockies @ 8K elev. There's a foot of snow on the
ground, it's
-12F, outside, and we gotta drive 100 miles at 7am.

I got yer "cupcake" swingin'.

nb


Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.


Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?
When it gets down to -40 things turn over pretty slowly. At -20,
with winter oil and a good battery, generally not a problem starting.
Transmissions and differentials are a bit stiff and sluggish for a few
miles, and the springs and shocks complain, giving you a rough ride
for your troubles, but we get used to it - - -

You don't have engine oil heaters like the electric dipstick heater, the oil pan and battery heaters? Years ago, I serviced Stanley pneumatic doors in grocery stores and many of the operator assemblies had a stick on silicone pad that was an electric heater used to prevent the valves and regulators from freezing up. In real cold weather I sometimes put antifreeze in the air lines the keep the Star Trek doors working. All those doors have been replaced by 90 volt dc gear motor drive units by now so it's not a problem. I'm surprised that vehicles sold up der in Canada Land don't have engine oil and battery heaters as standard equipment, eh? ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Ice Monster

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 3:55:20 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 01/07/2017 02:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:55 -0600, Muggles
wrote:

Pussy. We had -19 Wednesday morning, missing the record by 2 degrees. We
also just missed the record for the coldest high temperature for
January. This global warming really sucks. This is supposed to be the
Montana Banana Belt not frigging North Dakota.

Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.

I was born in the North and I'll probably die here. I've spent some
winters in AZ and it was nice and all but I always gravitate back north.
A little cold weather keeps the vermin out.


Savages and bipedal predators usually don't like cold climates so how do you explain Chicago? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Tame Monster

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:46:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Yikes! How often do people have trouble starting their vehicles at those
temps?

Some places up Nawth use engine block heaters overnight to keep the
block from freezing, cracking and the freeze out plugs from popping
out. I'll never go back.


I had one in my Mercedes Diesel. It was nice to have the heat blowing
about a minute after starting the car.

My last four cars had remote starters. Present car has a heated
steering wheel and that is very nice on a cold morning.

Moved to upstate NY, Adirondack Mts. Put a block heater in a 64 and a
half ('65) Mustang 289. Installed in the radiator hose. Worked great
while garaged.

Bubba, my friend, has a Lincoln MKZ with heated and air conditioned
seats. Neat in the desert to have cooled seats.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:00:07 -0700, rbowman wrote:

Not many natives here. Everybody is a transplant from somewhere. I'm
in a quite neighborhood and stay away from downtown. Maybe you stayed
in the upper part of the city, known as "naked city". I warn people
about that area. You should have called me ;-)


North LV is a fine place... I often run I15/93 from MT to AZ and I try
to time my passage through SLC and LV for times when the natives are
subdued.

Used to work on Nellis AFB. NLV has gone to the wolves and gremlins.
Haven't been there in over a decade. Friends that visit and want to go
to the strip, I tell them to have fun. I'll be at home when you get
back.