Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/



How convenient to leave this out, from your own source:

"An officer fired seven rounds into Francisco Serna early Monday morning after a neighbor contacted police and said Serna brandished a gun at his wife and wife's friend."

And here's the full story, again, from your own source:


"Police said the events unfolded about 12:35 a.m. Monday. A neighbor arrived home as a passenger in a friend's car and as she exited the car, she noticed Serna standing behind her with his right hand "concealed inside his jacket," the police statement read.

The neighbor told police that Serna "began questioning her about living in the neighborhood and demanded she open the car door so he could look inside.."

The neighbor told police she saw "a dark brown or black handled object that she believed was a gun" inside Serna's jacket.

The neighbor's friend unlocked her car door and Serna began looking inside the car. At that point, the neighbor ran to her house and told her husband to call the police because there was a man outside with a gun, police said.

The neighbor's husband called 911 and reported "there was a man outside of his house in possession of a revolver and that the man had brandished the gun at the women outside."

Selman and several more officers arrived on the scene, and while talking to the woman, saw Serna come out of his house across the street and walk toward them with both hands "concealed inside of his jacket."

Several officers ordered Serna to stop and show his hands, but he did not, according to police.

"As Mr. Serna was about 15-20 feet from Officer Selman, Officer Selman fired seven rounds at Mr. Serna," according to the police statement."

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story"
and that some posters want to totally misrepresent the most basic facts".

On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:54:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.

How do you know how many bullets hit the man? Where is the Coroner's
report... dimwit

Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

Riot shields are not bullet proof last time I checked.

You really are a freak.

.... and your link left out the first incident.

"...At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a resident in the 7900 block of Silver Birch
Avenue reported that an elderly man, later determined to be Serna, was
banging on the doors and windows of his residence. The man recognized
Serna and opened the door.

Serna then grabbed the man’s hand and tried to drag him out of the
residence while at the same time challenging him to fight. The
resident said Serna kept his other hand in his jacket as if he had a
gun."

On 14/12/2016 17:44, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/



How convenient to leave this out, from your own source:

"An officer fired seven rounds into Francisco Serna early Monday morning after a neighbor contacted police and said Serna brandished a gun at his wife and wife's friend."

And here's the full story, again, from your own source:


"Police said the events unfolded about 12:35 a.m. Monday. A neighbor arrived home as a passenger in a friend's car and as she exited the car, she noticed Serna standing behind her with his right hand "concealed inside his jacket," the police statement read.

The neighbor told police that Serna "began questioning her about living in the neighborhood and demanded she open the car door so he could look inside."

The neighbor told police she saw "a dark brown or black handled object that she believed was a gun" inside Serna's jacket.

The neighbor's friend unlocked her car door and Serna began looking inside the car. At that point, the neighbor ran to her house and told her husband to call the police because there was a man outside with a gun, police said.

The neighbor's husband called 911 and reported "there was a man outside of his house in possession of a revolver and that the man had brandished the gun at the women outside."

Selman and several more officers arrived on the scene, and while talking to the woman, saw Serna come out of his house across the street and walk toward them with both hands "concealed inside of his jacket."

Several officers ordered Serna to stop and show his hands, but he did not, according to police.

"As Mr. Serna was about 15-20 feet from Officer Selman, Officer Selman fired seven rounds at Mr. Serna," according to the police statement."

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story"
and that some posters want to totally misrepresent the most basic facts".


Two points:

1. "She *believed* a dark brown or black handled object that she
believed" was a gun"

2. A neighbour said "there was a man outside of his house in
*possession of a revolver* and that the man had *brandished the gun* at
the women outside."

*The police said he was unarmed*....hmm!

On 14/12/2016 18:04, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:54:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.

How do you know how many bullets hit the man? Where is the Coroner's
report... dimwit

Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

Riot shields are not bullet proof last time I checked.

You really are a freak.

... and your link left out the first incident.

"...At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a resident in the 7900 block of Silver Birch
Avenue reported that an elderly man, later determined to be Serna, was
banging on the doors and windows of his residence. The man recognized
Serna and opened the door.

Serna then grabbed the man’s hand and tried to drag him out of the
residence while at the same time challenging him to fight. The
resident said Serna kept his other hand in his jacket as if he had a
gun."

BulletProofME.com Body Armor - Riot Shields for Riot Police ...
www.bulletproofme.com/Riot-Shields.htm
Riot Shields - rectangular, round and reverse curve Capture shields for
riots, corrections, cell ... Bulletproof Vests, Plates, Helmets & Armor
to ... Made in the USA.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:22:38 +0000, Bod wrote:

BulletProofME.com Body Armor - Riot Shields for Riot Police ...
www.bulletproofme.com/Riot-Shields.htm
Riot Shields - rectangular, round and reverse curve Capture shields for
riots, corrections, cell ... Bulletproof Vests, Plates, Helmets & Armor
to ... Made in the USA.

Now read the difference between a "riot shield" (your words) and a
Tactical Ballistic Shield. Aside, these items are not carried in every
police vehicle everyday. They are used in calculated situations.

The police in this incident were not going to a riot. They were
investigating a man that had accosted two neighbors. Got it?

Doubt it.

On 14/12/2016 18:58, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:22:38 +0000, Bod wrote:

BulletProofME.com Body Armor - Riot Shields for Riot Police ...
www.bulletproofme.com/Riot-Shields.htm
Riot Shields - rectangular, round and reverse curve Capture shields for
riots, corrections, cell ... Bulletproof Vests, Plates, Helmets & Armor
to ... Made in the USA.

Now read the difference between a "riot shield" (your words) and a
Tactical Ballistic Shield. Aside, these items are not carried in every
police vehicle everyday. They are used in calculated situations.

The police in this incident were not going to a riot. They were
investigating a man that had accosted two neighbors. Got it?

Doubt it.

I get it, but how hard would it be to carry a couple of those shields in
the boot of those large police cars?

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

If I had dementia, I'd be happy to be killed. I feel sorry for
the police officer(s).

Cindy Hamilton

On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html


https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician

Bod was thinking very hard :
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed 73-year-old
retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police said the man
ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain crucifix was
recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police Department. "Mr.
Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No firearm has been
recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son, Frank
Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had a gun,"
Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

The rest of the story reads like suicide by cop. It makes me wonder if
he was really suffering from dementia or it was just suggested by
family that he was. Maybe this sort of thing will come out in the
investigation that is sure to follow. Until it does or doesn't,
speculate all you want, I trust your 'reporting' as much as I do
Burford's.

On 14/12/2016 19:57, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his
jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html



https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician


The trouble with the USA, is that you're so used to police shooting
people that you've become blase about it and see it as normal.
Your cops are way too trigger happy, but you can't see it.

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99

On 12/14/2016 03:17 PM, Bod wrote:
Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99


I don't know if your statistics are accurate but I can absolutely say
that the United States has a LOT of useless thugs that need to be killed.

Would you like to adopt a few?

On 12/14/2016 12:40 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk


Don't confuse Mr. Muggles with facts.

On 12/14/2016 3:17 PM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 19:57, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after
police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his
jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html




https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician


The trouble with the USA, is that you're so used to police shooting
people that you've become blase about it and see it as normal.
Your cops are way too trigger happy, but you can't see it.

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99




No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over there and
let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had credibility, now you've
becoming nothing but a common idiotic troll.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:07:45 -0500, Meanie wrote:

No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over there and
let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had credibility, now you've
becoming nothing but a common idiotic troll.

Somebody needs to check him for ticks, he may have a fever.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

The problem is not the police, the problem is the high likelihood of an American citizen carrying a gun. The demented man looked like he was hiding a gun. So here we have an example of gun owners making it more dangerous for non gun owners, without even touching them.

--
G.A.Y. - Got Aids Yet?

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:54:05 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

--
"The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire."

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:58:50 -0000, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:22:38 +0000, Bod wrote:

BulletProofME.com Body Armor - Riot Shields for Riot Police ...
www.bulletproofme.com/Riot-Shields.htm
Riot Shields - rectangular, round and reverse curve Capture shields for
riots, corrections, cell ... Bulletproof Vests, Plates, Helmets & Armor
to ... Made in the USA.

Now read the difference between a "riot shield" (your words) and a
Tactical Ballistic Shield. Aside, these items are not carried in every
police vehicle everyday. They are used in calculated situations.

The police in this incident were not going to a riot. They were
investigating a man that had accosted two neighbors. Got it?

Doubt it.

In the USA, since everyone is a possible shooter as you all stupidly carry guns, then a bulletproof shield would be a wise thing to have with you at all times as a cop.

--
More than 10,000 people in England and Wales required professional treatment for injuries caused by home telephones in 2002.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:03:22 -0000, Dev Null wrote:

On 12/14/2016 03:17 PM, Bod wrote:
Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99


I don't know if your statistics are accurate but I can absolutely say
that the United States has a LOT of useless thugs that need to be killed.

Agreed. And it's cheaper than jailing the buggers.

Would you like to adopt a few?

We have enough coming from the East.

--
Send all problems by email
Only phone me with EMERGENCY problems (e.g. LPT1 on fire)

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:07:45 -0000, Meanie wrote:

On 12/14/2016 3:17 PM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 19:57, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after
police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his
jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html




https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician


The trouble with the USA, is that you're so used to police shooting
people that you've become blase about it and see it as normal.
Your cops are way too trigger happy, but you can't see it.

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99




No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over there and
let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had credibility, now you've
becoming nothing but a common idiotic troll.

I find it amusing that 50% of any group calls the other 50% trolls. Why don't you just admit they have a different opinion?

--
Very funny, Scotty... Now beam down my clothes!

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:03:22 -0500, Dev Null
wrote:

On 12/14/2016 03:17 PM, Bod wrote:
Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:

snip

I don't know if your statistics are accurate but I can absolutely say
that the United States has a LOT of useless thugs that need to be killed.

Would you like to adopt a few?

"... you never meet a horse that needs stealing, but you meet a man
that needs killin' "

On 14/12/2016 21:03, Dev Null wrote:
On 12/14/2016 03:17 PM, Bod wrote:
Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99



I don't know if your statistics are accurate but I can absolutely say
that the United States has a LOT of useless thugs that need to be killed.

Would you like to adopt a few?

No thanks, we've got plenty of our own. We have a knife problem with
gangs in the big cities.

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99





No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over there and
let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had credibility, now you've
becoming nothing but a common idiotic troll.

I find it incredible that a few of you seem oblivious to the obvious
problem and blindly ignore the issue.

I readily accept that the UK has a serious knife problem and I will
readily discuss our issue. No country is perfect.
You have too many guns, we have too many knives, *in my opinion*.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html


https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a
taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to
pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).

Oren
Wed, 14 Dec 2016
21:16:55 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:07:45 -0500, Meanie
wrote:

No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over
there and let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had
credibility, now you've becoming nothing but a common idiotic
troll.

Somebody needs to check him for ticks, he may have a fever.

Are you volunteering? [g]


--
Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you.
Benjamin Franklin

On 15/12/2016 08:30, Diesel wrote:
Oren
Wed, 14 Dec 2016
21:16:55 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:07:45 -0500, Meanie
wrote:

No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over
there and let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had
credibility, now you've becoming nothing but a common idiotic
troll.

Somebody needs to check him for ticks, he may have a fever.

Are you volunteering? [g]


Whatever turns him on :-)

On 12/15/2016 01:42 AM, Bod wrote:

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).



As they say, "no brain no pain".
The criminals in the US are often brainless and/or on drugs.
Tasers are often ineffective.

FWIW, the only people that care when a cop shoots a thug are Jesse
Jackson and Al Sharpton and their simple-minded followers. Law-abiding
people are just happy another criminal is dead.

On 15/12/2016 10:17, Dev Null wrote:
On 12/15/2016 01:42 AM, Bod wrote:

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).



As they say, "no brain no pain".
The criminals in the US are often brainless and/or on drugs.
Tasers are often ineffective.

FWIW, the only people that care when a cop shoots a thug are Jesse
Jackson and Al Sharpton and their simple-minded followers. Law-abiding
people are just happy another criminal is dead.


The man in the story I quoted was law abiding and unarmed, but had
dementia (as far as I know).

On 12/15/2016 1:35 AM, Bod wrote:

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99






No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over there and
let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had credibility, now you've
becoming nothing but a common idiotic troll.

I find it incredible that a few of you seem oblivious to the obvious
problem and blindly ignore the issue.

I readily accept that the UK has a serious knife problem and I will
readily discuss our issue. No country is perfect.
You have too many guns, we have too many knives, *in my opinion*.




Interesting enough we don't care about your knife problem and if we did,
our solution would be guns. Most of us, except for leftist liberals,
don't worry about the personal issues in other countries. It's
self-righteous for anyone to say "you have too many guns, knives or bad
drivers, for that matter. Your only contribution to this group is about
your gun hatred. You've made it clear how you feel and most of us made
it clear we don't care because you're the same as another fool who
doesn't view the entire picture and bases your opinion on the first
skewed news source that fits your hatred. Get over it already and worry
about your own royal family who frolics off the teat of it's citizens.

On 12/15/2016 5:25 AM, Bod wrote:
On 15/12/2016 10:17, Dev Null wrote:
On 12/15/2016 01:42 AM, Bod wrote:

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).



As they say, "no brain no pain".
The criminals in the US are often brainless and/or on drugs.
Tasers are often ineffective.

FWIW, the only people that care when a cop shoots a thug are Jesse
Jackson and Al Sharpton and their simple-minded followers. Law-abiding
people are just happy another criminal is dead.


The man in the story I quoted was law abiding and unarmed, but had
dementia (as far as I know).

Therein lies the problem, you don't know and refuse to accept the facts
of witness testimonies who indicated he brandished a firearm. Even after
you're told of that from others prior to your comment above, you still
stated it, thus proving your tunnel visioned idiocy.

Bod used his keyboard to write :
Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html


https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a
taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to
pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is the
first option (in too many cases).

http://breaking911.com/watch-raw-bod...a-cop-lavonia/

I wonder what your life expectancy would be if you were a cop.

On 15/12/2016 13:58, FromTheRafters wrote:
Bod used his keyboard to write :
Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html



https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a
taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to
pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).

http://breaking911.com/watch-raw-bod...a-cop-lavonia/


I wonder what your life expectancy would be if you were a cop.


In the USA or the UK police?

Bod was thinking very hard :
On 15/12/2016 13:58, FromTheRafters wrote:
Bod used his keyboard to write :
Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html



https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a
taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to
pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).

http://breaking911.com/watch-raw-bod...a-cop-lavonia/


I wonder what your life expectancy would be if you were a cop.


In the USA or the UK police?

Either one. After being shot or sliced and diced by someone you thought
was going for his cellphone or maybe a crucifix.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:54:08 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.

Because they had credible reports that he had a gun and he had his
hands in his pockets and would not comply with requests to remove
them. Tasers are far less effective than bullets. What's the
chance that a taser dart will hit him, connect, at that distance?
And while you're screwing with a taser, he fires and kills you.



Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

AFAIK, those shields are to protect against rocks and bottles and
are not bullet proof.



It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Just the title alone tells you that study must have come from a bunch
of lib loons, like Black Lies Matter.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 2:24:50 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 18:58, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:22:38 +0000, Bod wrote:

BulletProofME.com Body Armor - Riot Shields for Riot Police ...
www.bulletproofme.com/Riot-Shields.htm
Riot Shields - rectangular, round and reverse curve Capture shields for
riots, corrections, cell ... Bulletproof Vests, Plates, Helmets & Armor
to ... Made in the USA.

Now read the difference between a "riot shield" (your words) and a
Tactical Ballistic Shield. Aside, these items are not carried in every
police vehicle everyday. They are used in calculated situations.

The police in this incident were not going to a riot. They were
investigating a man that had accosted two neighbors. Got it?

Doubt it.

I get it, but how hard would it be to carry a couple of those shields in
the boot of those large police cars?

About as hard as it would be for a perp to shoot you in the leg or other
body part not covered by the shield. Or to run away. Are you going
to chase after him, run all over, jump fences, carrying a riot shield? Would you volunteer to advance on
a perp that had a gun, refused to take his hands out of his pockets,
using one of those shields? Why should we ask LEO to take grave risks
with unknown perps, reported to have a gun, reported to be accosting
people, acting erratically, etc? Enough cops die already.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 4:07:57 PM UTC-5, Meanie wrote:
On 12/14/2016 3:17 PM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 19:57, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after
police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his
jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html




https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician


The trouble with the USA, is that you're so used to police shooting
people that you've become blase about it and see it as normal.
Your cops are way too trigger happy, but you can't see it.

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99




No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over there and
let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had credibility, now you've
becoming nothing but a common idiotic troll.

Mr. Muggles. That's a good one. He is on the same page as her when
it comes to these police shootings.

On 15/12/2016 15:01, FromTheRafters wrote:
Bod was thinking very hard :
On 15/12/2016 13:58, FromTheRafters wrote:
Bod used his keyboard to write :
Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html




https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the
copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police
Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the
country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a
taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to
pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).

http://breaking911.com/watch-raw-bod...a-cop-lavonia/



I wonder what your life expectancy would be if you were a cop.


In the USA or the UK police?

Either one. After being shot or sliced and diced by someone you thought
was going for his cellphone or maybe a crucifix.

In the UK, the chances would be virtually zero. In the USA, a much
higher chance, going by the stats.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 5:17:21 AM UTC-5, Dev Null wrote:
On 12/15/2016 01:42 AM, Bod wrote:

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).



As they say, "no brain no pain".
The criminals in the US are often brainless and/or on drugs.
Tasers are often ineffective.

FWIW, the only people that care when a cop shoots a thug are Jesse
Jackson and Al Sharpton and their simple-minded followers. Law-abiding
people are just happy another criminal is dead.

Not quite right. Those two only care when it's a black thug.