Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:54:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.

How do you know how many bullets hit the man? Where is the Coroner's
report... dimwit

Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

Riot shields are not bullet proof last time I checked.

You really are a freak.

.... and your link left out the first incident.

"...At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a resident in the 7900 block of Silver Birch
Avenue reported that an elderly man, later determined to be Serna, was
banging on the doors and windows of his residence. The man recognized
Serna and opened the door.

Serna then grabbed the man’s hand and tried to drag him out of the
residence while at the same time challenging him to fight. The
resident said Serna kept his other hand in his jacket as if he had a
gun."

On 14/12/2016 18:04, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:54:05 +0000, Bod wrote:

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.

How do you know how many bullets hit the man? Where is the Coroner's
report... dimwit

Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

Riot shields are not bullet proof last time I checked.

You really are a freak.

... and your link left out the first incident.

"...At 4:30 p.m. Sunday, a resident in the 7900 block of Silver Birch
Avenue reported that an elderly man, later determined to be Serna, was
banging on the doors and windows of his residence. The man recognized
Serna and opened the door.

Serna then grabbed the man’s hand and tried to drag him out of the
residence while at the same time challenging him to fight. The
resident said Serna kept his other hand in his jacket as if he had a
gun."

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On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:22:38 +0000, Bod wrote:

BulletProofME.com Body Armor - Riot Shields for Riot Police ...
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to ... Made in the USA.

Now read the difference between a "riot shield" (your words) and a
Tactical Ballistic Shield. Aside, these items are not carried in every
police vehicle everyday. They are used in calculated situations.

The police in this incident were not going to a riot. They were
investigating a man that had accosted two neighbors. Got it?

Doubt it.

On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html


https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician

On 14/12/2016 19:57, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his
jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html



https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician


The trouble with the USA, is that you're so used to police shooting
people that you've become blase about it and see it as normal.
Your cops are way too trigger happy, but you can't see it.

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99

On 12/14/2016 03:17 PM, Bod wrote:
Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99


I don't know if your statistics are accurate but I can absolutely say
that the United States has a LOT of useless thugs that need to be killed.

Would you like to adopt a few?

On 12/14/2016 3:17 PM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 19:57, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2016 11:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after
police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his
jacket.

[snip]


Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html




https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Thanks, Bod. Let's not just dodge the fact that you deliberately
omitted relevant and pertinent facts stated in the argument in order to
make your initial point.

That said, your credibility here is ZIP! If you told us that you saw
the sun rise in the east this morning, I would ask for a second opinion
from someone I could trust. . . like politician


The trouble with the USA, is that you're so used to police shooting
people that you've become blase about it and see it as normal.
Your cops are way too trigger happy, but you can't see it.

Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other
First-World Nations:


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pol...MA44THfmeHX.99




No need for you to worry, Mr. Muggles. Just stay the **** over there and
let us worry about our guns. IMO, you once had credibility, now you've
becoming nothing but a common idiotic troll.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:54:05 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

--
"The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire."

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html


https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a
taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to
pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).

On 12/15/2016 01:42 AM, Bod wrote:

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).



As they say, "no brain no pain".
The criminals in the US are often brainless and/or on drugs.
Tasers are often ineffective.

FWIW, the only people that care when a cop shoots a thug are Jesse
Jackson and Al Sharpton and their simple-minded followers. Law-abiding
people are just happy another criminal is dead.

Bod used his keyboard to write :
Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html


https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.
Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Taser?!? I'd like to see you stop me from shooting you, by using a
taser. All it does it tense my muscles up, quite likely causing me to
pull the trigger whether I was going to or not.

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is the
first option (in too many cases).

http://breaking911.com/watch-raw-bod...a-cop-lavonia/

I wonder what your life expectancy would be if you were a cop.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:42:32 +0000, Bod wrote:

How come that the UK police generally use tasers and shooting people
is the last option, but with the US police it appears that shooting is
the first option (in too many cases).

How many cops are killed in UK in a typical year?

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:54:08 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.

Because they had credible reports that he had a gun and he had his
hands in his pockets and would not comply with requests to remove
them. Tasers are far less effective than bullets. What's the
chance that a taser dart will hit him, connect, at that distance?
And while you're screwing with a taser, he fires and kills you.



Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

AFAIK, those shields are to protect against rocks and bottles and
are not bullet proof.



It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Just the title alone tells you that study must have come from a bunch
of lib loons, like Black Lies Matter.

On 15/12/2016 15:05, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:54:08 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 14/12/2016 17:40, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk

The report states that the man was within 15 - 20 ft of the copper.
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser him first.

Because they had credible reports that he had a gun and he had his
hands in his pockets and would not comply with requests to remove
them. Tasers are far less effective than bullets. What's the
chance that a taser dart will hit him, connect, at that distance?
And while you're screwing with a taser, he fires and kills you.



Your police have bullet proof riot shields.....use em.

AFAIK, those shields are to protect against rocks and bottles and
are not bullet proof.



It seems that Bakersfield makes a habit of killing people.

A study published last year by a project called Mapping Police Violence
rated Bakersfield's Police Department as the deadliest in the country,
logging 13.6 killings for every million people. The United States
average is 3.6, according to the project.

Just the title alone tells you that study must have come from a bunch
of lib loons, like Black Lies Matter.

Fair enough, but I assume that they got the stats correct...yes?

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:05:44 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser
him first.

Because they had credible reports that he had a gun
and he had his hands in his pockets and would not
comply with requests to remove them.

The police didn't have credible reports. They only had initial
information the woman reported to her husband. The husband called the
cops and his info was secondhand hearsay. Hearsay has never been
considered to be credible information. The cops assumed the hearsay
reported to them was accurate.

They made assumptions that resulted in the death of an unarmed
dementia patient. If they had cause they still didn't have to kill
the old man. Are able bodied cops not capable of physically subduing
an old man?

They made a BIG MISTAKE. Once again they didn't engage their
supposedly superior training, and ended up just killing an old man.
That's what you get when you believe and act on hearsay.

--
Maggie

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 11:00:31 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:05:44 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:
Why pump *seven* bullets into him and not taser
him first.

Because they had credible reports that he had a gun
and he had his hands in his pockets and would not
comply with requests to remove them.

The police didn't have credible reports. They only had initial
information the woman reported to her husband. The husband called the
cops and his info was secondhand hearsay. Hearsay has never been
considered to be credible information. The cops assumed the hearsay
reported to them was accurate.

There you go again. It was not second hand.

The neighbor told police that Serna "began questioning her about living in the neighborhood and demanded she open the car door so he could look inside.."

The neighbor told police she saw "a dark brown or black handled object that she believed was a gun" inside Serna's jacket.

The neighbor's friend unlocked her car door and Serna began looking inside the car. At that point, the neighbor ran to her house and told her husband to call the police because there was a man outside with a gun, police said.

The neighbor's husband called 911 and reported "there was a man outside of his house in possession of a revolver and that the man had brandished the gun at the women outside."

Selman and several more officers arrived on the scene, and while talking to the woman, saw Serna come out of his house across the street and walk toward them with both hands "concealed inside of his jacket."

The police not only had the call of a man with a gun, but also were
talking to the woman at the scene, before the perp emerged from his
house.




They made assumptions that resulted in the death of an unarmed
dementia patient. If they had cause they still didn't have to kill
the old man. Are able bodied cops not capable of physically subduing
an old man?


The village idiot rides again. It was reported that he had a GUN.
Nothing here so far contradicts that, says otherwise. Police were
talking to the woman who's husband phoned in the "man with a gun" report.
The perp emergend, had his hands in his pockets, refused to comply
with police to
show his hands. Maybe you want to "subdue" a perp like that, but
I would not put that burden on reasonable LEO. A 70 year old man
can't pull the trigger on a gun hidden in his pocket? WTF?


They made a BIG MISTAKE. Once again they didn't engage their
supposedly superior training, and ended up just killing an old man.
That's what you get when you believe and act on hearsay.

--
Maggie

No, that's what we get here from the village idiot.

"Seventy-year-old woman charged with murder in shooting of husband"

"Seventy-four year old man charged with murder following attack"

"Alabama €˜Killer Granny Charged In Husbands Murder"


Of course if the police backed off, went to hiding behind their cars,
and the perp ran to the house next door, or back into his own house
and shot and killed 3 people, why then you'd be telling us how the
cops screwed that up, how they didn't follow procedure, let a guy
they were told had a gun get away, etc.

On 12/14/2016 12:40 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 +0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

Yap Yap Yap.

Now read how the man had accosted neighbors.

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/man-fatally-shot-by-police-had-twice-accosted-neighbors-who/article_8c42d421-3500-52ad-b239-e94ca147a700.html

https://tinyurl.com/z5u56jk


Don't confuse Mr. Muggles with facts.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/



How convenient to leave this out, from your own source:

"An officer fired seven rounds into Francisco Serna early Monday morning after a neighbor contacted police and said Serna brandished a gun at his wife and wife's friend."

And here's the full story, again, from your own source:


"Police said the events unfolded about 12:35 a.m. Monday. A neighbor arrived home as a passenger in a friend's car and as she exited the car, she noticed Serna standing behind her with his right hand "concealed inside his jacket," the police statement read.

The neighbor told police that Serna "began questioning her about living in the neighborhood and demanded she open the car door so he could look inside.."

The neighbor told police she saw "a dark brown or black handled object that she believed was a gun" inside Serna's jacket.

The neighbor's friend unlocked her car door and Serna began looking inside the car. At that point, the neighbor ran to her house and told her husband to call the police because there was a man outside with a gun, police said.

The neighbor's husband called 911 and reported "there was a man outside of his house in possession of a revolver and that the man had brandished the gun at the women outside."

Selman and several more officers arrived on the scene, and while talking to the woman, saw Serna come out of his house across the street and walk toward them with both hands "concealed inside of his jacket."

Several officers ordered Serna to stop and show his hands, but he did not, according to police.

"As Mr. Serna was about 15-20 feet from Officer Selman, Officer Selman fired seven rounds at Mr. Serna," according to the police statement."

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story"
and that some posters want to totally misrepresent the most basic facts".

On 14/12/2016 17:44, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/



How convenient to leave this out, from your own source:

"An officer fired seven rounds into Francisco Serna early Monday morning after a neighbor contacted police and said Serna brandished a gun at his wife and wife's friend."

And here's the full story, again, from your own source:


"Police said the events unfolded about 12:35 a.m. Monday. A neighbor arrived home as a passenger in a friend's car and as she exited the car, she noticed Serna standing behind her with his right hand "concealed inside his jacket," the police statement read.

The neighbor told police that Serna "began questioning her about living in the neighborhood and demanded she open the car door so he could look inside."

The neighbor told police she saw "a dark brown or black handled object that she believed was a gun" inside Serna's jacket.

The neighbor's friend unlocked her car door and Serna began looking inside the car. At that point, the neighbor ran to her house and told her husband to call the police because there was a man outside with a gun, police said.

The neighbor's husband called 911 and reported "there was a man outside of his house in possession of a revolver and that the man had brandished the gun at the women outside."

Selman and several more officers arrived on the scene, and while talking to the woman, saw Serna come out of his house across the street and walk toward them with both hands "concealed inside of his jacket."

Several officers ordered Serna to stop and show his hands, but he did not, according to police.

"As Mr. Serna was about 15-20 feet from Officer Selman, Officer Selman fired seven rounds at Mr. Serna," according to the police statement."

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story"
and that some posters want to totally misrepresent the most basic facts".


Two points:

1. "She *believed* a dark brown or black handled object that she
believed" was a gun"

2. A neighbour said "there was a man outside of his house in
*possession of a revolver* and that the man had *brandished the gun* at
the women outside."

*The police said he was unarmed*....hmm!

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

If I had dementia, I'd be happy to be killed. I feel sorry for
the police officer(s).

Cindy Hamilton

Bod was thinking very hard :
Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed 73-year-old
retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police said the man
ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain crucifix was
recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police Department. "Mr.
Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No firearm has been
recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son, Frank
Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had a gun,"
Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

The rest of the story reads like suicide by cop. It makes me wonder if
he was really suffering from dementia or it was just suggested by
family that he was. Maybe this sort of thing will come out in the
investigation that is sure to follow. Until it does or doesn't,
speculate all you want, I trust your 'reporting' as much as I do
Burford's.

On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

The problem is not the police, the problem is the high likelihood of an American citizen carrying a gun. The demented man looked like he was hiding a gun. So here we have an example of gun owners making it more dangerous for non gun owners, without even touching them.

--
G.A.Y. - Got Aids Yet?

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 4:44:13 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket..

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

The problem is not the police, the problem is the high likelihood of an American citizen carrying a gun. The demented man looked like he was hiding a gun. So here we have an example of gun owners making it more dangerous for non gun owners, without even touching them.

--
G.A.Y. - Got Aids Yet?

What total BS. What made it particularly dangerous for this man was
that the police had received 911 calls telling them that this man
was accosting people and THAT HE HAD A GUN. Police got there and
his behavior was consistent with a perp hiding a gun, refusing to take
his hands out of his pockets.

As someone else pointed out, it's also possible that this was a suicide
by cop. Things don't always turn out as first reported. Just today
we learned that the muslim student who claimed to have been harassed
over her religion, by several drunks on a train that said "Trump"
is a total liar. She now admits she made it up because she was late
coming home after curfew.

It happens that trader_4 formulated :
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 4:44:13 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

The problem is not the police, the problem is the high likelihood of an
American citizen carrying a gun. The demented man looked like he was hiding
a gun. So here we have an example of gun owners making it more dangerous
for non gun owners, without even touching them.

--
G.A.Y. - Got Aids Yet?

What total BS. What made it particularly dangerous for this man was
that the police had received 911 calls telling them that this man
was accosting people and THAT HE HAD A GUN. Police got there and
his behavior was consistent with a perp hiding a gun, refusing to take
his hands out of his pockets.

As someone else pointed out, it's also possible that this was a suicide
by cop.

That was me speculating. It just seemed to me that he might have been
accosting neighbors while pretending to have a gun so that they would
call the police. The outcome is very predictable. Some insurance
policies have double or triple indemnity for violent or accidental
death and no payout at all for suicides.

Again, it is a case of wait and see what the investigation turns up
instead of jumping to conclusions based on practically zero evidence as
some here are known to do.

Things don't always turn out as first reported. Just today
we learned that the muslim student who claimed to have been harassed
over her religion, by several drunks on a train that said "Trump"
is a total liar. She now admits she made it up because she was late
coming home after curfew.

In this case I wonder how that neighbor feels about amplifying the
'might have been a gun' to 'has a revolver' which is a very specific
statement.

On 12/15/2016 1:32 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:

Again, it is a case of wait and see what the investigation turns up
instead of jumping to conclusions based on practically zero evidence as
some here are known to do.


What fun is that? The liberal mindset doesn't wait for facts, er,
actually, they don't know what facts are. Regardless, shouting it from
the first news source that fit's their agenda is the only way they gain
attention. How would they fill that vast emptiness within them if they
waited?

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 1:32:21 PM UTC-5, FromTheRafters wrote:
It happens that trader_4 formulated :
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 4:44:13 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:14:57 -0000, Bod wrote:

Yet another unarmed man killed by police.

Police in Bakersfield, Calif., found a crucifix on an unarmed
73-year-old retiree with dementia shot dead by an officer, after police
said the man ignored their requests to remove his hands from his jacket.

"During a search of Mr. Serna a dark-colored simulated woodgrain
crucifix was recovered," read a statement from the Bakersfield Police
Department. "Mr. Serna was not armed at the time of the shooting. No
firearm has been recovered."

Serna has never carried a gun and was opposed to firearms, Serna's son,
Frank Serna, told KGET. "I don't know what led police to believe he had
a gun," Frank Serna said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...e-ca/95399066/

The problem is not the police, the problem is the high likelihood of an
American citizen carrying a gun. The demented man looked like he was hiding
a gun. So here we have an example of gun owners making it more dangerous
for non gun owners, without even touching them.

--
G.A.Y. - Got Aids Yet?

What total BS. What made it particularly dangerous for this man was
that the police had received 911 calls telling them that this man
was accosting people and THAT HE HAD A GUN. Police got there and
his behavior was consistent with a perp hiding a gun, refusing to take
his hands out of his pockets.

As someone else pointed out, it's also possible that this was a suicide
by cop.

That was me speculating. It just seemed to me that he might have been
accosting neighbors while pretending to have a gun so that they would
call the police. The outcome is very predictable. Some insurance
policies have double or triple indemnity for violent or accidental
death and no payout at all for suicides.

Again, it is a case of wait and see what the investigation turns up
instead of jumping to conclusions based on practically zero evidence as
some here are known to do.

Things don't always turn out as first reported. Just today
we learned that the muslim student who claimed to have been harassed
over her religion, by several drunks on a train that said "Trump"
is a total liar. She now admits she made it up because she was late
coming home after curfew.

In this case I wonder how that neighbor feels about amplifying the
'might have been a gun' to 'has a revolver' which is a very specific
statement.

The neighbor was the husband of the woman the guy came up to. He may
have amplified it, but we don't know what she actually said to him,
what he heard, etc. But regardless, it was called into the police as
a guy with a revolver.

I wonder what the other neighbor who had the incident the afternoon
before thinks? Had that neighbor called police, this might have been
prevented. But, at the end of the day, this deranged guy was allowed
to leave his house at least 3 times in about 12 hours, causing
incidents each time. Like I said in other posts, if I had someone
like that at home, I'd tell the neighbors so they know what's going
on and I'd figure out how to keep them from getting out so easily.

Mexicans and Africans are always expendable.