On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:54:28 -0000, trader_4 wrote:

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:34:33 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
The simple reason is that 99.99% of drivers don't have a gun so it's
all done casual and friendly.

The same is true here. 99.99% of drivers don't have a gun. But it
only takes one bad guy. How lucky do you feel today?

If that is so in the US, then why do your police tell drivers to put their hands where they can see them
and make the driver stay in his/her car?

I've been stopped many times over the years and never been told to
do anything special with my hands. But that's probably because I
pull over, open the window, don't have reefer smoke coming out,
don't have outstanding warrants, and cooperate. I don't recall being
told to stay in the car either. But that's what I just naturally do.
A big part of staying in your car is for your own safety, so you don't
get hit by a car.

And one time I was pulled over for speeding on my Harley and I
had 3 pistols on the bike. The only difference in that instance
was the cop called for backup. Otherwise, it was like any other
road stop, except that the cops asked me to take the pistols
out of the saddle bags. So, there I was, at the side of the road,
laying out my pistols on the hood of the cop car. But they didn't
have their guns out, they didn't tell me what to do with my hands.

When it was all over, I got a ticket for speeding. I was just
about to ask the cop why his second or third question was if I
had any guns with me. But, before I could ask, he said that
next time when I left the pistol range it would be a good idea
to take my pistol range ID card off my jacket.

Hmm, that's a different story to what I've seen in Youtube videos and
been told from other Americans first hand.
Maybe procedures differ from state to state?

That's likely because what goes up on youtube are not the millions of
routine stops made each year, but instead the ones where somebody refuses
to cooperate, has a warrant, resists arrest, etc. You think?

I've refused to co-operate, the police just argue with me. I don't get shot or threatened in any way.

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On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:41:29 -0000, trader_4 wrote:

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 9:00:37 AM UTC-5, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/15/2016 11:04 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:46:05 PM UTC-6, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

As I understand it, in most of America it's easy to get a gun. In the UK it's very difficult. You have to prove it's for shooting game etc, and not carry it about in the street.


In the USA anyone of age who is not a convicted felon can purchase
a gun from a dealer. There is also no law anyone cannot purchase
a gun in a parking lot deal. Are those buyers or sellers felons
or in possession of stolen weapons? Maybe, maybe not but there's
no law preventing them from doing the deal.

Do I have a gun? Yes. Do I have a permit to carry it? Yes.
Do I? No.

Then one would think that you'd be better informed (or at least know how
to properly phrase your thoughts/beliefs in writing).

1) There are laws to prohibiting buyers and sellers from dealing in
stolen guns.

2) There are laws prohibiting convicted felons (and some others) from
buying or possessing guns.

3) In many states private transactions in firearms are prohibited UNLESS
the buyer and seller abide by background checks through the state.

Exactly. NJ for example, you need a firearms ID card to buy any
long gun. And a separate permit for each pistol purchased, whether
from a private party or at a dealer. To obtain either of those
requires filling out an application where they ask about mental
health, job reference, personal references. You have to be
fingerprinted and they use that together with the other info
to do a background check with the FBI. The local police call
the references. Last time I did a pistol permit, it took almost
a year.

And the felons of course fill out those permits and don't just nick a gun from the countless people who have one....

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On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:20:18 -0000, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 8:00:37 AM UTC-6, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

On 12/15/2016 11:04 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:46:05 PM UTC-6, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

As I understand it, in most of America it's easy to get a gun. In the UK it's very difficult. You have to prove it's for shooting game etc, and not carry it about in the street.


In the USA anyone of age who is not a convicted felon can purchase
a gun from a dealer. There is also no law anyone cannot purchase
a gun in a parking lot deal. Are those buyers or sellers felons
or in possession of stolen weapons? Maybe, maybe not but there's
no law preventing them from doing the deal.

Do I have a gun? Yes. Do I have a permit to carry it? Yes.
Do I? No.

Then one would think that you'd be better informed (or at least know how
to properly phrase your thoughts/beliefs in writing).

Reading comprehension, it's a wonderful thing. Evidently you did not
read my statements, just skimmed and couldn't wait to attempt to rip
me a new one.

1) There are laws to prohibiting buyers and sellers from dealing in
stolen guns.

Did I not pretty much state that? I said 'licensed dealers.'

2) There are laws prohibiting convicted felons (and some others) from
buying or possessing guns.

I said that, you didn't read it did you?

3) In many states private transactions in firearms are prohibited UNLESS
the buyer and seller abide by background checks through the state.

Like the police are going to be patroling every parking lot looking for
'illegal' gun sales. Criminals don't buy guns, they steal them.

4) In other states, Minnesota for one, you must obtain a permit from the
police in order to purchase a handgun through a licensed dealer.

Goody for Minnesota.

Background checks by licensed gun dealers are performed to PREVENT a
felon or anyone wanted by the polic from purchasing.

So, there ARE laws designed to prohibit the transactions you refer to
but there is also a law - applicable to just about any state, country or
culture you can name that says, "Thou shall not kill."

How's that working to prevent all murders?

Quote me THRUTHFUL figures of _licensed gun owners_ committing
those murders.

How about working on getting all robbers incarcerated?

How about working on getting all the drug dealers locked up?

What is wrong with dealing drugs?

How about castrating all the pedophiles?

How about giving back all those beatings that spousal abusers
are so eager to commit? (Before you go off half cocked I didn't
say male abusers, I said 'all.')

If you shack up with a nutter, you deserve to get beaten.

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On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:34:20 -0000, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:04:41 -0800 (PST), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:58:36 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:04:34 -0800 (PST), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

In the USA anyone of age who is not a convicted felon can purchase
a gun from a dealer. There is also no law anyone cannot purchase
a gun in a parking lot deal. Are those buyers or sellers felons
or in possession of stolen weapons? Maybe, maybe not but there's
no law preventing them from doing the deal.

Better read the current laws in your state and the federal laws.

Involuntary commitment or civil commitment to mental health precludes
one from buying a gun - does not include a person voluntarily seeking
counseling or treatment.

You don't think mentally ill people are smart enough to lie on a
firearms application??


A felony. Does your state or the feds have a record on mentally ill
trying to buy a gun?

Nevada just passed, by ballot measure that closed the ALLEDGED gun
show loop hole (spit) You can't lone a weapon to a friend for hunting
purposes without both going to a FFL and having a "background check"..

And you think Bob wants to borrow Bills gun to go hunting and he's going
to say let me get an FFL and do a background check on you?


You miss the point. It would be against the law.

I can skirt any law. Doesn't mean I'm allowed to do it, by law.

Which is how all the criminals get the guns.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

You did write "There is also no law anyone cannot purchase
a gun in a parking lot deal."

That is not fact.



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On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:42:01 -0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

On 12/16/2016 5:34 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:04:41 -0800 (PST), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:58:36 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:04:34 -0800 (PST), ItsJoanNotJoann
wrote:

In the USA anyone of age who is not a convicted felon can purchase
a gun from a dealer. There is also no law anyone cannot purchase
a gun in a parking lot deal. Are those buyers or sellers felons
or in possession of stolen weapons? Maybe, maybe not but there's
no law preventing them from doing the deal.

Better read the current laws in your state and the federal laws.

Involuntary commitment or civil commitment to mental health precludes
one from buying a gun - does not include a person voluntarily seeking
counseling or treatment.

You don't think mentally ill people are smart enough to lie on a
firearms application??


A felony. Does your state or the feds have a record on mentally ill
trying to buy a gun?

Nevada just passed, by ballot measure that closed the ALLEDGED gun
show loop hole (spit) You can't lone a weapon to a friend for hunting
purposes without both going to a FFL and having a "background check".

And you think Bob wants to borrow Bills gun to go hunting and he's going
to say let me get an FFL and do a background check on you?


You miss the point. It would be against the law.

I can skirt any law. Doesn't mean I'm allowed to do it, by law.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

You did write "There is also no law anyone cannot purchase
a gun in a parking lot deal."

That is not fact.



Don't confuse her with facts, Oren. She made a broad statement based on
her biases and doesn't appreciate it when called on it.

Why is it that when laws are ignored, more laws and restrictions are the
answer rather than enforcing the laws being ignored. Ah, yes, it's feel
good time. Just like the participation awards being handed out like
dust motes so no one's "self of steam" will be affected.

Screw all the pansies!

Self of steam?

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On 12/18/2016 9:17 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:42:01 -0000, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:


[snip]


Don't confuse her with facts, Oren. She made a broad statement based on
her biases and doesn't appreciate it when called on it.

Why is it that when laws are ignored, more laws and restrictions are the
answer rather than enforcing the laws being ignored. Ah, yes, it's feel
good time. Just like the participation awards being handed out like
dust motes so no one's "self of steam" will be affected.

Screw all the pansies!

Self of steam?


Intentional eggcorn or oronym. Intentionally substituted for self esteem.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:42:12 -0000, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

On 12/18/2016 9:17 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:42:01 -0000, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:


[snip]


Don't confuse her with facts, Oren. She made a broad statement based on
her biases and doesn't appreciate it when called on it.

Why is it that when laws are ignored, more laws and restrictions are the
answer rather than enforcing the laws being ignored. Ah, yes, it's feel
good time. Just like the participation awards being handed out like
dust motes so no one's "self of steam" will be affected.

Screw all the pansies!

Self of steam?


Intentional eggcorn or oronym. Intentionally substituted for self esteem.

Is that lower than sarcasm?

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