Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 8:14:13 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.


The SWAT team could show up any minute. ヽ(à²*_à²*)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Swatted Monster

On 11/18/2016 9:14 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.

Same thing happened to me in Orlando. Hit an unattended exit toll booth on 429 at Winter Garden that only takes exact change or transponder. I had neither. All I had was my driver's license and a Disney MagicBand thingy.

Anyway, turned myself in a couple days later at the Enterprise return desk at the end of my vacation. Paid the exact toll, no late penalty was assessed.


You were in California though so YMMV. ;-)

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:14:04 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.

You get a message from the rental car company but they have already
billed your credit card. There is a significant service fee. Happened
to me on the bypass in Denver. That little short cut to the airport
cost me over $30. (maybe more like $40) I know I was pretty unhappy
but what are you going to do?
"Toll by plate" costs you about 2.5x the price of the transponder toll
here in Florida too. I still do not use toll roads enough to justify a
transponder but I did escrow some money in a TBP account that cuts the
billing fee. I would be surprised that the rental company doesn't do
that and still charge you the whole fee, along with a service charge.
They are notorious for adding extra charges to that bargain rate they
advertise.

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 11:50:40 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:14:04 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.

You get a message from the rental car company but they have already
billed your credit card. There is a significant service fee. Happened
to me on the bypass in Denver. That little short cut to the airport
cost me over $30. (maybe more like $40) I know I was pretty unhappy
but what are you going to do?
"Toll by plate" costs you about 2.5x the price of the transponder toll
here in Florida too. I still do not use toll roads enough to justify a
transponder but I did escrow some money in a TBP account that cuts the
billing fee. I would be surprised that the rental company doesn't do
that and still charge you the whole fee, along with a service charge.
They are notorious for adding extra charges to that bargain rate they
advertise.

Well, that's not what happened. I should have checked my credit card
statement before I posted my question.

Enterprise charged me $11.45 for a $7.50 toll. i.e. $3.95 extra.

All they did was charge me the toll and the cost of a single day's
rental of the transponder. No penalty.

Their transponder rental fee is $3.95 per day from the first usage. Since
all other tolls while I was in CA were paid by cash or by using the
transponder of the folks we were visiting, the final trip to the airport
was the only time I was exposed. So in retrospect, it looks like they
"auto-rented" me a transponder for a single day since the "first usage"
occurred on the last day of the rental period.

The charge hit my card way outside the 48 hour window that the CA Toll
Authority states, but it doesn't look like Enterprise (or CA?) really cares.

Perhaps there will be a penalty accessed later if CA bills Enterprise. I'll
let you know if that happens.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:18:06 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 11:50:40 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 06:14:04 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.

You get a message from the rental car company but they have already
billed your credit card. There is a significant service fee. Happened
to me on the bypass in Denver. That little short cut to the airport
cost me over $30. (maybe more like $40) I know I was pretty unhappy
but what are you going to do?
"Toll by plate" costs you about 2.5x the price of the transponder toll
here in Florida too. I still do not use toll roads enough to justify a
transponder but I did escrow some money in a TBP account that cuts the
billing fee. I would be surprised that the rental company doesn't do
that and still charge you the whole fee, along with a service charge.
They are notorious for adding extra charges to that bargain rate they
advertise.

Well, that's not what happened. I should have checked my credit card
statement before I posted my question.

Enterprise charged me $11.45 for a $7.50 toll. i.e. $3.95 extra.

All they did was charge me the toll and the cost of a single day's
rental of the transponder. No penalty.

Their transponder rental fee is $3.95 per day from the first usage. Since
all other tolls while I was in CA were paid by cash or by using the
transponder of the folks we were visiting, the final trip to the airport
was the only time I was exposed. So in retrospect, it looks like they
"auto-rented" me a transponder for a single day since the "first usage"
occurred on the last day of the rental period.

The charge hit my card way outside the 48 hour window that the CA Toll
Authority states, but it doesn't look like Enterprise (or CA?) really cares.

Perhaps there will be a penalty accessed later if CA bills Enterprise. I'll
let you know if that happens.

Maybe the rental car companies are better equipped to deal with these
toll by plate charges these days. It was a pretty new concept when I
was in Colorado. Denver may also be harder to get along with.

On 11/18/2016 9:14 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.


They will have a picture of the car's license plate and send the fine to
Enterprise. I'd only be concerned if they want you to pay it.
I got stuck in one of these lanes, was ill at the time, got request for
$1 + $25 fine. Paid the dollar but they would not accept my excuse
until I sent them a photo of the new zipper on my chest needed to cure
the problem. You also have an excellent excuse if it comes to that.

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 1:32:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 11/18/2016 9:14 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.


They will have a picture of the car's license plate and send the fine to
Enterprise. I'd only be concerned if they want you to pay it.
I got stuck in one of these lanes, was ill at the time, got request for
$1 + $25 fine. Paid the dollar but they would not accept my excuse
until I sent them a photo of the new zipper on my chest needed to cure
the problem. You also have an excellent excuse if it comes to that.

If you read my response to Greg, you'll see that they didn't charge me
anything extra. Just the toll and a one day rental fee on a non-existent
transponder. They charged my CC without asking, but I'm sure that was
covered in the rental contract that I read in it's entirety before
signing it. ;-)

As an aside, after I signed the 2 foot long receipt that Enterprise's CC
machine printed out, I shoved it in my pocket. Later, when I had a chance to
read it, I was surprised at what I signed. Apparently I had entered into
a short term lease for the sole purpose of obtaining a substitute vehicle
because a vehicle that was registered in my name had been damaged to the
extent that my insurance company had deemed it undriveable. I don't know
where that assumption came from considering I simply made a reservation
through Kayak.

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 2:18:48 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 1:32:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 11/18/2016 9:14 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.


They will have a picture of the car's license plate and send the fine to
Enterprise. I'd only be concerned if they want you to pay it.
I got stuck in one of these lanes, was ill at the time, got request for
$1 + $25 fine. Paid the dollar but they would not accept my excuse
until I sent them a photo of the new zipper on my chest needed to cure
the problem. You also have an excellent excuse if it comes to that.

If you read my response to Greg, you'll see that they didn't charge me
anything extra. Just the toll and a one day rental fee on a non-existent
transponder. They charged my CC without asking, but I'm sure that was
covered in the rental contract that I read in it's entirety before
signing it. ;-)

As an aside, after I signed the 2 foot long receipt that Enterprise's CC
machine printed out, I shoved it in my pocket. Later, when I had a chance to
read it, I was surprised at what I signed. Apparently I had entered into
a short term lease for the sole purpose of obtaining a substitute vehicle
because a vehicle that was registered in my name had been damaged to the
extent that my insurance company had deemed it undriveable. I don't know
where that assumption came from considering I simply made a reservation
through Kayak.

OK, I found the wording and the reason. Apparently I was attesting to the
fact that I was not trying beat Nevada out of the 2% county imposed rental
fee. By stating that the vehicle I rented was a replacement vehicle, I was
not subject to the 2% fee. Of course, I now realize that I actually was
(in a legal sense) trying to beat NV out the fee because I made a false attestation.

Per this site:

https://tax.nv.gov/FAQs/Short_Term_L...Fee_s___FAQ_s/

*** Begin Included Text ***

Effective July 1, 2005 Clark County Board of Commissioners enacted a 2% County
Car Rental Fee for the lease of passenger vehicles commencing in Clark County.
....
The County Car Rental fee cannot be imposed on the rental of a replacement
vehicle, defined as
....
- A vehicle that is used by a person in place of a motor vehicle owned by
the person which is unavailable for use because of mechanical breakdown,
repair, service, damage or loss as defined in the owners policy of liability
insurance for the motor vehicle.

*** End Included Text ***

Again, I don't know why that attestation was on my receipt since that
was not the case. I was never even asked *why* I was renting the vehicle.
I'm not complaining since it saved me $5.26, which more than covered
the $3.95 transponder rental fee. ;-)

I wonder if I'll get arrested the next time I cross the border into Clark
County, NV.

DerbyDad03 posted for all of us...



Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.

Oren, get the cuffs out. He's going down.

--
Tekkie

On 11/18/2016 3:15 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


If you read my response to Greg, you'll see that they didn't charge me
anything extra. Just the toll and a one day rental fee on a non-existent
transponder. They charged my CC without asking, but I'm sure that was
covered in the rental contract that I read in it's entirety before
signing it. ;-)

Maybe the transponder was in place?



As an aside, after I signed the 2 foot long receipt that Enterprise's CC
machine printed out, I shoved it in my pocket. Later, when I had a chance to
read it, I was surprised at what I signed. Apparently I had entered into
a short term lease for the sole purpose of obtaining a substitute vehicle
because a vehicle that was registered in my name had been damaged to the
extent that my insurance company had deemed it undriveable. I don't know
where that assumption came from considering I simply made a reservation
through Kayak.

OK, I found the wording and the reason. Apparently I was attesting to the
fact that I was not trying beat Nevada out of the 2% county imposed rental
fee. By stating that the vehicle I rented was a replacement vehicle, I was
not subject to the 2% fee. Of course, I now realize that I actually was
(in a legal sense) trying to beat NV out the fee because I made a false attestation.

Enterprise does a lot of rentals for cars in accidents. Maybe they used
that form instead of the other regular one. I did see your photo in the
Las Vegas Post Office though.

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 4:06:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/18/2016 3:15 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


If you read my response to Greg, you'll see that they didn't charge me
anything extra. Just the toll and a one day rental fee on a non-existent
transponder. They charged my CC without asking, but I'm sure that was
covered in the rental contract that I read in it's entirety before
signing it. ;-)

Maybe the transponder was in place?


I don't think so since I didn't get charged for the times I went through
using the transponder of the friends we were visiting in CA. I assume that
both of them would have been read, unless they only "accept" one?



As an aside, after I signed the 2 foot long receipt that Enterprise's CC
machine printed out, I shoved it in my pocket. Later, when I had a chance to
read it, I was surprised at what I signed. Apparently I had entered into
a short term lease for the sole purpose of obtaining a substitute vehicle
because a vehicle that was registered in my name had been damaged to the
extent that my insurance company had deemed it undriveable. I don't know
where that assumption came from considering I simply made a reservation
through Kayak.

OK, I found the wording and the reason. Apparently I was attesting to the
fact that I was not trying beat Nevada out of the 2% county imposed rental
fee. By stating that the vehicle I rented was a replacement vehicle, I was
not subject to the 2% fee. Of course, I now realize that I actually was
(in a legal sense) trying to beat NV out the fee because I made a false attestation.

Enterprise does a lot of rentals for cars in accidents. Maybe they used
that form instead of the other regular one. I did see your photo in the
Las Vegas Post Office though.

Oh, that's been there for a while. Totally different situation.

In article , Frank "frank
wrote:

On 11/18/2016 9:14 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder
only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate
Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to
Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has
some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.


They will have a picture of the car's license plate and send the fine to
Enterprise. I'd only be concerned if they want you to pay it.
I got stuck in one of these lanes, was ill at the time, got request for
$1 + $25 fine. Paid the dollar but they would not accept my excuse
until I sent them a photo of the new zipper on my chest needed to cure
the problem. You also have an excellent excuse if it comes to that.

There's no fine associated with crossing the bridge, only a toll.

However the rental place may charge a fee for paying the toll.

I was there recently as well, but didn't cross the bridge and we had a
private car.

Derby is correct that you can pay the toll by phone, or on line, but
there is a limited amount of time. A friend, some time ago tried to pay
on line and it was difficult. And, of course, with a private car they
send an invoice for the toll to the registered owner's address.

I suspect Derby will have to talk to Enterprise, pay the toll and the
"fee". He might talk Enterprise into reducing the fee as a favor,
especially if he has rented from them before.

--
charles

In article ,
DerbyDad03 wrote:

[snip]

As an aside, after I signed the 2 foot long receipt that Enterprise's CC
machine printed out, I shoved it in my pocket. Later, when I had a chance
to
read it, I was surprised at what I signed. Apparently I had entered into
a short term lease for the sole purpose of obtaining a substitute vehicle
because a vehicle that was registered in my name had been damaged to the
extent that my insurance company had deemed it undriveable. I don't know
where that assumption came from considering I simply made a reservation
through Kayak.

OK, I found the wording and the reason. Apparently I was attesting to the
fact that I was not trying beat Nevada out of the 2% county imposed rental
fee. By stating that the vehicle I rented was a replacement vehicle, I was
not subject to the 2% fee. Of course, I now realize that I actually was
(in a legal sense) trying to beat NV out the fee because I made a false
attestation.

Per this site:

https://tax.nv.gov/FAQs/Short_Term_L...Fee_s___FAQ_s/

*** Begin Included Text ***

Effective July 1, 2005 Clark County Board of Commissioners enacted a 2%
County
Car Rental Fee for the lease of passenger vehicles commencing in Clark
County.
...
The County Car Rental fee cannot be imposed on the rental of a replacement
vehicle, defined as
...
- A vehicle that is used by a person in place of a motor vehicle owned by
the person which is unavailable for use because of mechanical breakdown,
repair, service, damage or loss as defined in the owners policy of liability
insurance for the motor vehicle.

*** End Included Text ***

Again, I don't know why that attestation was on my receipt since that
was not the case. I was never even asked *why* I was renting the vehicle.
I'm not complaining since it saved me $5.26, which more than covered
the $3.95 transponder rental fee. ;-)

I wonder if I'll get arrested the next time I cross the border into Clark
County, NV.

Now I wonder why you rented the vehicle in Clark County if you're not
going back

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article ,
DerbyDad03 wrote:

[snip]

As an aside, after I signed the 2 foot long receipt that Enterprise's CC
machine printed out, I shoved it in my pocket. Later, when I had a chance
to
read it, I was surprised at what I signed. Apparently I had entered into
a short term lease for the sole purpose of obtaining a substitute vehicle
because a vehicle that was registered in my name had been damaged to the
extent that my insurance company had deemed it undriveable. I don't know
where that assumption came from considering I simply made a reservation
through Kayak.

OK, I found the wording and the reason. Apparently I was attesting to the
fact that I was not trying beat Nevada out of the 2% county imposed rental
fee. By stating that the vehicle I rented was a replacement vehicle, I was
not subject to the 2% fee. Of course, I now realize that I actually was
(in a legal sense) trying to beat NV out the fee because I made a false
attestation.

Per this site:

https://tax.nv.gov/FAQs/Short_Term_L...Fee_s___FAQ_s/

*** Begin Included Text ***

Effective July 1, 2005 Clark County Board of Commissioners enacted a 2%
County
Car Rental Fee for the lease of passenger vehicles commencing in Clark
County.
...
The County Car Rental fee cannot be imposed on the rental of a replacement
vehicle, defined as
...
- A vehicle that is used by a person in place of a motor vehicle owned by
the person which is unavailable for use because of mechanical breakdown,
repair, service, damage or loss as defined in the owners policy of liability
insurance for the motor vehicle.

*** End Included Text ***

Again, I don't know why that attestation was on my receipt since that
was not the case. I was never even asked *why* I was renting the vehicle.
I'm not complaining since it saved me $5.26, which more than covered
the $3.95 transponder rental fee. ;-)

I wonder if I'll get arrested the next time I cross the border into Clark
County, NV.

Now I wonder why you rented the vehicle in Clark County if you're not
going back

Really? You never heard of renting a vehicle at one location and returning it
at another?

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 7:58:59 PM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article , Frank "frank
wrote:

On 11/18/2016 9:14 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder
only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate
Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge, only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to
Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone has
some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.


They will have a picture of the car's license plate and send the fine to
Enterprise. I'd only be concerned if they want you to pay it.
I got stuck in one of these lanes, was ill at the time, got request for
$1 + $25 fine. Paid the dollar but they would not accept my excuse
until I sent them a photo of the new zipper on my chest needed to cure
the problem. You also have an excellent excuse if it comes to that.

There's no fine associated with crossing the bridge, only a toll.

Sure there is.

From: http://www.goldengate.org/tolls/toll...php#paybyplate

"Any unpaid Toll Invoice or unpaid portion of a Toll Invoice leads directly
to a Toll Violation notice which attaches a $25 penalty for each toll
transaction associated with the unpaid Toll Invoice. If the first Toll
Violation notice goes unpaid, a second Toll Violation notice is issued (with
increased penalties) and if it goes unpaid, the amount due is referred to the
DMV who will withhold your vehicle registration until the penalties are paid.
For out-of-state vehicles, the matter is referred to a collections agency."

In article ,
DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article ,
DerbyDad03 wrote:

[snip]

As an aside, after I signed the 2 foot long receipt that Enterprise's
CC
machine printed out, I shoved it in my pocket. Later, when I had a
chance
to
read it, I was surprised at what I signed. Apparently I had entered
into
a short term lease for the sole purpose of obtaining a substitute
vehicle
because a vehicle that was registered in my name had been damaged to
the
extent that my insurance company had deemed it undriveable. I don't
know
where that assumption came from considering I simply made a reservation
through Kayak.

OK, I found the wording and the reason. Apparently I was attesting to the
fact that I was not trying beat Nevada out of the 2% county imposed
rental
fee. By stating that the vehicle I rented was a replacement vehicle, I
was
not subject to the 2% fee. Of course, I now realize that I actually was
(in a legal sense) trying to beat NV out the fee because I made a false
attestation.

Per this site:

https://tax.nv.gov/FAQs/Short_Term_L...Fee_s___FAQ_s/

*** Begin Included Text ***

Effective July 1, 2005 Clark County Board of Commissioners enacted a 2%
County
Car Rental Fee for the lease of passenger vehicles commencing in Clark
County.
...
The County Car Rental fee cannot be imposed on the rental of a
replacement
vehicle, defined as
...
- A vehicle that is used by a person in place of a motor vehicle owned
by
the person which is unavailable for use because of mechanical breakdown,
repair, service, damage or loss as defined in the owners policy of
liability
insurance for the motor vehicle.

*** End Included Text ***

Again, I don't know why that attestation was on my receipt since that
was not the case. I was never even asked *why* I was renting the vehicle.
I'm not complaining since it saved me $5.26, which more than covered
the $3.95 transponder rental fee. ;-)

I wonder if I'll get arrested the next time I cross the border into Clark
County, NV.

Now I wonder why you rented the vehicle in Clark County if you're not
going back

Really? You never heard of renting a vehicle at one location and returning it
at another?

Well, I had, but wondered.

--
c

In article ,
DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 7:58:59 PM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article , Frank "frank
wrote:

On 11/18/2016 9:14 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Does anyone know what actually happens if you go through a "transponder
only"
toll station in a rental car without a transponder?

On a recent vacation in CA, I found myself approaching the Golden Gate
Bridge
in an Enterprise rental. There are no toll collectors on this bridge,
only
transponder lanes.

After I got home, I read the rules found here but I was already well
beyond
the "pay within 48 hours" time frame.

http://goldengate.org/tolls/rentalto...php#enterprise

I'm considering calling Enterprise discuss this, even though I am well
beyond the mailing of the violation letter that I assume went to
Enterprise.
I just figured I'd run the question by the ng first to see if anyone
has
some
real life experience/advice for this type of situation.

Thanks.


They will have a picture of the car's license plate and send the fine to
Enterprise. I'd only be concerned if they want you to pay it.
I got stuck in one of these lanes, was ill at the time, got request for
$1 + $25 fine. Paid the dollar but they would not accept my excuse
until I sent them a photo of the new zipper on my chest needed to cure
the problem. You also have an excellent excuse if it comes to that.

There's no fine associated with crossing the bridge, only a toll.

Sure there is.

From: http://www.goldengate.org/tolls/toll...php#paybyplate

"Any unpaid Toll Invoice or unpaid portion of a Toll Invoice leads directly
to a Toll Violation notice which attaches a $25 penalty for each toll
transaction associated with the unpaid Toll Invoice. If the first Toll
Violation notice goes unpaid, a second Toll Violation notice is issued (with
increased penalties) and if it goes unpaid, the amount due is referred to the
DMV who will withhold your vehicle registration until the penalties are paid.
For out-of-state vehicles, the matter is referred to a collections agency."

But that's a fine if you don't pay the toll (in a timely manner). If you
pay the toll, there's no fine associated with the toll. Splitting hairs,
if you will.

I was at the bridge last week and there is a sign[1] that tells how to
pay the toll, phone, internet, or mailed invoice. The last is for
personal cars, not rentals.

As you say, you missed the deadline for using phone or internet and had
to rely on the rental company, which looks to have not charged a fine,
but only a "rental" of the transponder, which looks to be cheap.

[1] on a walkway which doesn't do much good for those crossing the
bridge, southbound.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:13:36 -0700, Charles Bishop
wrote:

As you say, you missed the deadline for using phone or internet and had
to rely on the rental company, which looks to have not charged a fine,
but only a "rental" of the transponder, which looks to be cheap.

My bet is the state has an arrangement with the rental car companies.
If they get a transponder rental fee every time someone passes a toll
booth, it is not a bad deal for the state. My bet is it is just one
computer talking to another so labor is not a big deal.

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 12:40:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:13:36 -0700, Charles Bishop
wrote:

As you say, you missed the deadline for using phone or internet and had
to rely on the rental company, which looks to have not charged a fine,
but only a "rental" of the transponder, which looks to be cheap.

My bet is the state has an arrangement with the rental car companies.
If they get a transponder rental fee every time someone passes a toll
booth, it is not a bad deal for the state. My bet is it is just one
computer talking to another so labor is not a big deal.

I have no reason to believe that the $3.95 rental fee was passed on to
the state. Why would Enterprise give it up? They would have to work to make
that happen since they are the entity that charged my card, so there is
some programming/software maintenance involved. I doubt they would do that
for free. Maybe a portion went to the sate, but certainly not the entire
fee.

On 11/20/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:13:36 -0700, Charles Bishop
wrote:

As you say, you missed the deadline for using phone or internet and had
to rely on the rental company, which looks to have not charged a fine,
but only a "rental" of the transponder, which looks to be cheap.

My bet is the state has an arrangement with the rental car companies.
If they get a transponder rental fee every time someone passes a toll
booth, it is not a bad deal for the state. My bet is it is just one
computer talking to another so labor is not a big deal.


Rental companies cannot afford to have fines and registration problems
over a $4 toll.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 12:53:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/20/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:13:36 -0700, Charles Bishop
wrote:

As you say, you missed the deadline for using phone or internet and had
to rely on the rental company, which looks to have not charged a fine,
but only a "rental" of the transponder, which looks to be cheap.

My bet is the state has an arrangement with the rental car companies.
If they get a transponder rental fee every time someone passes a toll
booth, it is not a bad deal for the state. My bet is it is just one
computer talking to another so labor is not a big deal.


Rental companies cannot afford to have fines and registration problems
over a $4 toll.

Exactly. That is why I assume they maintain a "toll by plate" account.

On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:00:15 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I wonder if I'll get arrested the next time I cross the border into Clark
County, NV.

Now I wonder why you rented the vehicle in Clark County if you're not
going back

Really? You never heard of renting a vehicle at one location and returning it
at another?

Derby,

Curious. Did the rental contract mention anything about crossing the
state line? There was a case in CA where a guy rented for in state
travel. He drove into AZ, tracked by rental car GPS. They hammered
him hard on his CC, but he lost the argument, IIRC.

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:00:15 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I wonder if I'll get arrested the next time I cross the border into Clark
County, NV.

Now I wonder why you rented the vehicle in Clark County if you're not
going back

Really? You never heard of renting a vehicle at one location and returning it
at another?

Derby,

Curious. Did the rental contract mention anything about crossing the
state line? There was a case in CA where a guy rented for in state
travel. He drove into AZ, tracked by rental car GPS. They hammered
him hard on his CC, but he lost the argument, IIRC.

Reservation was made for pick-up at LAS, return at SFO. Drop off charge was included
in the quoted price(s) before the reservation was finalized.

The most interesting part was how the reservation process went. I started looking for a rental
about 3 weeks before our trip. Every few days I'd check Kayak again and every time there
was a better deal. I made a new reservation each time, canceling the previous one.

My first reservation was well over $400 for a mid-size car for 10 days. The biggest chunk
of that was the SFO drop-off charge, something like $180. By the time I made my final
reservation, it was down to $263, all in. When I went to pick up the car at LAS, I asked if
there were any free upgrades available. They let me pick out a full size instead of a mid.

I wish flights worked the same way. It would be nice to get a cheaper price the closer you
get to the departure, although I'm not sure what I would do with a bigger plane. ;-)

In article ,
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/20/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:13:36 -0700, Charles Bishop
wrote:

As you say, you missed the deadline for using phone or internet and had
to rely on the rental company, which looks to have not charged a fine,
but only a "rental" of the transponder, which looks to be cheap.

My bet is the state has an arrangement with the rental car companies.
If they get a transponder rental fee every time someone passes a toll
booth, it is not a bad deal for the state. My bet is it is just one
computer talking to another so labor is not a big deal.


Rental companies cannot afford to have fines and registration problems
over a $4 toll.

Well, it's 7.50, but I take your point. The short answer is that they
have your credit card and the contract likely says they can add charges
that you incur that you should pay, if they come back to the rental
company.

What is the rental fee? Is it D$/day for every day you have the car, or
only when you use the transponder?

I'm really unsure why there should be a fee at all. There's very little
paperwork (heh, even if it's electronic) involved for the rental company
- the toll people ding the company, the company dings you when you
return the car.

If you knew where the transponder was, you could faraday cage it, and
then . . . what? I may not have thought this through.

--
chares

On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 11:59:31 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:00:15 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I wonder if I'll get arrested the next time I cross the border into Clark
County, NV.

Now I wonder why you rented the vehicle in Clark County if you're not
going back

Really? You never heard of renting a vehicle at one location and returning it
at another?

Derby,

Curious. Did the rental contract mention anything about crossing the
state line? There was a case in CA where a guy rented for in state
travel. He drove into AZ, tracked by rental car GPS. They hammered
him hard on his CC, but he lost the argument, IIRC.

When I heard that story it was Mexico but I suppose you need to read
all of the restrictions. I usually just tell the guy at the counter
where I am going (like Canada) to be sure it is OK. Nobody wants their
rentacar in Mexico but I have never heard of not leaving the state.
The last car I rented at SFO went to nevada and back into a drop at
LAX.

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 9:51:11 PM UTC-5, Charles Bishop wrote:
In article ,
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/20/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:13:36 -0700, Charles Bishop
wrote:

As you say, you missed the deadline for using phone or internet and had
to rely on the rental company, which looks to have not charged a fine,
but only a "rental" of the transponder, which looks to be cheap.

My bet is the state has an arrangement with the rental car companies.
If they get a transponder rental fee every time someone passes a toll
booth, it is not a bad deal for the state. My bet is it is just one
computer talking to another so labor is not a big deal.


Rental companies cannot afford to have fines and registration problems
over a $4 toll.

Well, it's 7.50, but I take your point. The short answer is that they
have your credit card and the contract likely says they can add charges
that you incur that you should pay, if they come back to the rental
company.

What is the rental fee? Is it D$/day for every day you have the car, or
only when you use the transponder?

As I said in an earlier post, Enterprise charges $3.95 per day from the first say you use it. You
can opt out, which I did. H



I'm really unsure why there should be a fee at all. There's very little
paperwork (heh, even if it's electronic) involved for the rental company
- the toll people ding the company, the company dings you when you
return the car.

Because they can, but since it comes with an opt out choice, there' son harm, no foul.
I also opted out of paying for a full tank of gas at NV prices because "it would cheaper
than a full tank at CA prices" since that is where I was dropping the car off. It worked
out perfectly. I filled up about an hour from SFO and was not charged anything for gas.


If you knew where the transponder was, you could faraday cage it, and
then . . . what? I may not have thought this through.

--
chares

I can't answer that. I assumed that they handed you a physical transponder in a
shielded bag. Once you use it, the $3.95 per day begins. That's my guess.