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On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 6:44:11 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:24:27 -0500, wrote: What you really mean is you have no clue as to how PEX is connected. Go spend your money on copper or galvanized pipe. Get back to me. Why give this painted clown any notice or bother...he's like the painted bird with his idiocy. |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:19:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/21/2016 9:47 PM, wrote: The ones I'm referring to are solid copper, with spiral ribs, so it can be bent any way you like. Unless they are no longer sold, they were readily available, but it's been years since I needed any such thing. I would not plastic with a braid over it either. I avoid all plastics when it comes to plumbing. I had one of those put in when the house was built. It sprang a leak in a bad spot so I replaced it with another. Two years later, it leaked again. Out it went and I replaced it with PEX and it has been good for 15 years now. I've seen those copper spiral tubes last many years. But like anything, there are defective items made, and maybe the manufacturer was making all bad parts. I've never used them myself. I prefer to connect the tank direct with copper pipe because it's cheaper, and I think it looks better. I did see a house where all the plumbing froze, and the ends of both of those spiral tubes separated from the tubes. But none of that stuff is made for freezing, and I'd think all those ribs would cause excessive pressure on the pipe, because the ice would be applying a lot of pressure against every rib. I would not normally recommend them, because they are really not needed, and they are costly. But in this thread, it was mentioned that the pipes were not properly aligned and I thought that would be an easy way to correct it, rather than redoing more pipes. For all I know, they may not even sell them anymore. Plumbing stuff changes all the time. Even the old brass spiral gas pipes have now changed (for behind a gas stove). Those were always the same for years, but when I was young, I always feared having one break, when I moved the stove for cleaning behind it. But I guess they were stronger than they looked. Someone always comes up with something they consider better. Sometimes it is better, but often it's just a way to make stuff cheaper so the company can make more money. By the way, PEX is not supposed to be connected directly to a water heater. When I was considering using PEX, I did a lot of checking on this, from actual plumbers. It's suggested to put at least 6" of pipe before it. Some plumbers said more, and if it's a gas WH, it's not suppose to be anywhere near the chimney pipe. But if it's lasted you 15 years, it should last another year or two before it gets real brittle and snaps in half or crumbles, which is how all plastics generally deteriorate and eventually fail.... And since we're talking about PEX, has anyone ever determined how many chemicals a person ingests whenever they drink water from a PEX plumbing system? Just wondering.... Our bodies need some iron or copper, and all pipes leach at least a little of their material. This is the same reason I dont buy bottled water and buy all my soda, beer and other beverages in cans or glass bottles, not plastic. |
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 12:14:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:19:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/21/2016 9:47 PM, wrote: The ones I'm referring to are solid copper, with spiral ribs, so it can be bent any way you like. Unless they are no longer sold, they were readily available, but it's been years since I needed any such thing. I would not plastic with a braid over it either. I avoid all plastics when it comes to plumbing. I had one of those put in when the house was built. It sprang a leak in a bad spot so I replaced it with another. Two years later, it leaked again. Out it went and I replaced it with PEX and it has been good for 15 years now. I've seen those copper spiral tubes last many years. But like anything, there are defective items made, and maybe the manufacturer was making all bad parts. I've never used them myself. I prefer to connect the tank direct with copper pipe because it's cheaper, and I think it looks better. Are you frigging kidding me? In your earlier post you said: "The ideal solution would be to install one of those flexible copper (or stainless steel) pipes made for water heaters." Note the word *ideal*. So are you saying that you don't prefer *ideal* solutions? I did see a house where all the plumbing froze, and the ends of both of those spiral tubes separated from the tubes. But none of that stuff is made for freezing, and I'd think all those ribs would cause excessive pressure on the pipe, because the ice would be applying a lot of pressure against every rib. I would not normally recommend them, because they are really not needed, and they are costly. But in this thread, it was mentioned that the pipes were not properly aligned and I thought that would be an easy way to correct it, rather than redoing more pipes. "Easy" rarely equates to "ideal". Which word are you now going with as far as the flexible WH tubes? Easy or Ideal? In the case of my repair, the ideal solution turned out to be fairly easy. One extra fitting and a shim. Now I have straight copper (just like you like it) and everything lines up perfectly and in a relaxed manner. It actually would have been more work to go out and buy your "ideal" solution than it was to solder a few fittings. For all I know, they may not even sell them anymore. Plumbing stuff changes all the time. http://www.homedepot.com/p/3-4-in-x-...IP-S/202692481 Even the old brass spiral gas pipes have now changed (for behind a gas stove). Those were always the same for years, but when I was young, I always feared having one break, when I moved the stove for cleaning behind it. But I guess they were stronger than they looked. Someone always comes up with something they consider better. Sometimes it is better, but often it's just a way to make stuff cheaper so the company can make more money. By the way, PEX is not supposed to be connected directly to a water heater. When I was considering using PEX, I did a lot of checking on this, from actual plumbers. It's suggested to put at least 6" of pipe before it. Some plumbers said more, and if it's a gas WH, it's not suppose to be anywhere near the chimney pipe. But if it's lasted you 15 years, it should last another year or two before it gets real brittle and snaps in half or crumbles, which is how all plastics generally deteriorate and eventually fail.... And since we're talking about PEX, has anyone ever determined how many chemicals a person ingests whenever they drink water from a PEX plumbing system? Just wondering.... Our bodies need some iron or copper, and all pipes leach at least a little of their material. This is the same reason I dont buy bottled water and buy all my soda, beer and other beverages in cans or glass bottles, not plastic. That's funny! Are the beverages you are buying 100% natural? |
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DerbyDad03 posted for all of us...
On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 3:56:04 PM UTC-4, Tekkie® wrote: Vic Smith posted for all of us... On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:30:16 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:47:44 PM UTC-4, Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 18:34:12 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: A long time ago I needed to cap a pipe, so I decided to try a SharkBite End Cap just to see what they were like. It worked so well that I said to myself, "Self, maybe you should toss a couple of End Caps in the plumbing drawer just in case you need to cap a pipe in an emergency." So, here it is, 9 PM on a Friday night and I walked down into the basement to find that the pipe from the water heater has developed a pin hole leak. So, off with the main, a couple of quick cuts to remove the bad section, push on 2 caps and back on with the main. No showers tomorrow morning, but at least we have water tonight. Tomorrow, I can take my time replacing the bad section. ...and that's why I keep SharkBite End Caps in the shop. What do you think caused the pinhole leak? I don't know. The pinhole was on a short (4") section of pipe between a T and a 90. I cut the pipe exactly at the pin hole, leaving about 1" sticking out the T. (That left me enough room to put the cap on. I'll need to replace the T and the 90 tomorrow) Anyway, after I cut the pipe I noticed that the pin hole had begun to turn into a slit, I assume from the pressure of the cutter. That tells me the leak was about to get much bigger. As I said, I cut the pipe exactly at the pin hole and this is what I found inside the pipe right at the cut. (Ignore the outside of the pipe. I had cleaned the outside before cutting it.) http://tinyurl.com/CutPipe Full Link: http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/q...psl6dtvfep.jpg I can't tell if the "scale" that you see is buildup or what's left behind from disintegrating copper. It extends down about 1/2" but it is all around the inside of the pipe at the cut, not just on the side where the hole was. I have a plumbing supply house that I like, so I may take the piece over there and have them tell me what's going on. In any case, the rest of that short piece of pipe will be gone first thing in the morning. Let us know what they say. I'm curious. I'll be repiping my galvanized soon with copper. Because I don't have my threading tools anymore, copper pipe is cheaper, and it might make a difference in the house's resale value. The piping is 58 years old. No leaks, but the flow is getting restricted enough that it's time to do it. Have you thought about PEX? Have you thought about reading the thread before responding? I don't get out that often. -- Tekkie |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:37:52 -0400, wrote: As far as the original topic of this thread, I recall reading somewhere in this (long) thread that there was stress on these copper pipes due to poor alignment of the pipes. That likely was part, or all of the cause this short piece of pipe failed. The ideal solution would be to install one of those flexible copper (or stainless steel) pipes made for water heaters. That way there's no stress on the pipes. And most of them are just a stainless braid over plastic..A piece of annealed copper does the jog just fine. The ones I'm referring to are solid copper, with spiral ribs, so it can be bent any way you like. Unless they are no longer sold, they were readily available, but it's been years since I needed any such thing. I would not plastic with a braid over it either. I avoid all plastics when it comes to plumbing. I saw what happened to a neighbor when their plastic supply tube broke under their toilet, and the elderly woman was asleep. Many thousands of dollars damage, including flooring, all carpet, and so on. She was knocking on my door early in the morning, in tears. I quickly went there and shut her water off. She wanted me to fix it, but I told her she needed to have her insurance company come first, and told her I could fix it, but since I'm not a licensed plumber, she needed to get someone with a license, to satisfy the insurance company. The following day, I replaced 4 of these plastic supply lines under my own sinks, with chrome-brass ones. Plastic is fine for toys and picture frames, auto dashboards, molding, and anything that is not supporting weight or pressure. It is NOT for plumbing, and also NOT for lawn chairs (I've seen several people hurt on collapsing plastic lawn chairs). I will make an exception to this, as far as PVC drain pipes, but those are not under pressure, and work fine. Drainage is the only time I use plastics in plumbing. Don't have a bad mitral valve in your heart because they will replace it with ....drum roll,,, plastic. -- Tekkie |
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 3:30:31 PM UTC-4, Tekkie® wrote:
posted for all of us... On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:37:52 -0400, wrote: As far as the original topic of this thread, I recall reading somewhere in this (long) thread that there was stress on these copper pipes due to poor alignment of the pipes. That likely was part, or all of the cause this short piece of pipe failed. The ideal solution would be to install one of those flexible copper (or stainless steel) pipes made for water heaters. That way there's no stress on the pipes. And most of them are just a stainless braid over plastic..A piece of annealed copper does the jog just fine. The ones I'm referring to are solid copper, with spiral ribs, so it can be bent any way you like. Unless they are no longer sold, they were readily available, but it's been years since I needed any such thing. I would not plastic with a braid over it either. I avoid all plastics when it comes to plumbing. I saw what happened to a neighbor when their plastic supply tube broke under their toilet, and the elderly woman was asleep. Many thousands of dollars damage, including flooring, all carpet, and so on. She was knocking on my door early in the morning, in tears. I quickly went there and shut her water off. She wanted me to fix it, but I told her she needed to have her insurance company come first, and told her I could fix it, but since I'm not a licensed plumber, she needed to get someone with a license, to satisfy the insurance company. The following day, I replaced 4 of these plastic supply lines under my own sinks, with chrome-brass ones. Plastic is fine for toys and picture frames, auto dashboards, molding, and anything that is not supporting weight or pressure. It is NOT for plumbing, and also NOT for lawn chairs (I've seen several people hurt on collapsing plastic lawn chairs). I will make an exception to this, as far as PVC drain pipes, but those are not under pressure, and work fine. Drainage is the only time I use plastics in plumbing. Don't have a bad mitral valve in your heart because they will replace it with ....drum roll,,, plastic. -- Tekkie If the mitral valve acts like a drain, then PC should be okay with that. |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:13:46 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:19:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/21/2016 9:47 PM, wrote: The ones I'm referring to are solid copper, with spiral ribs, so it can be bent any way you like. Unless they are no longer sold, they were readily available, but it's been years since I needed any such thing. I would not plastic with a braid over it either. I avoid all plastics when it comes to plumbing. I had one of those put in when the house was built. It sprang a leak in a bad spot so I replaced it with another. Two years later, it leaked again. Out it went and I replaced it with PEX and it has been good for 15 years now. I've seen those copper spiral tubes last many years. But like anything, there are defective items made, and maybe the manufacturer was making all bad parts. I've never used them myself. I prefer to connect the tank direct with copper pipe because it's cheaper, and I think it looks better. I did see a house where all the plumbing froze, and the ends of both of those spiral tubes separated from the tubes. But none of that stuff is made for freezing, and I'd think all those ribs would cause excessive pressure on the pipe, because the ice would be applying a lot of pressure against every rib. I would not normally recommend them, because they are really not needed, and they are costly. But in this thread, it was mentioned that the pipes were not properly aligned and I thought that would be an easy way to correct it, rather than redoing more pipes. For all I know, they may not even sell them anymore. Plumbing stuff changes all the time. Even the old brass spiral gas pipes have now changed (for behind a gas stove). Those were always the same for years, but when I was young, I always feared having one break, when I moved the stove for cleaning behind it. But I guess they were stronger than they looked. Someone always comes up with something they consider better. Sometimes it is better, but often it's just a way to make stuff cheaper so the company can make more money. By the way, PEX is not supposed to be connected directly to a water heater. When I was considering using PEX, I did a lot of checking on this, from actual plumbers. It's suggested to put at least 6" of pipe before it. Some plumbers said more, and if it's a gas WH, it's not suppose to be anywhere near the chimney pipe. But if it's lasted you 15 years, it should last another year or two before it gets real brittle and snaps in half or crumbles, which is how all plastics generally deteriorate and eventually fail.... And since we're talking about PEX, has anyone ever determined how many chemicals a person ingests whenever they drink water from a PEX plumbing system? Just wondering.... Our bodies need some iron or copper, and all pipes leach at least a little of their material. This is the same reason I dont buy bottled water and buy all my soda, beer and other beverages in cans or glass bottles, not plastic. Half the cans have a thin plastic coating, so you better stick to glass. Your "other beverages" come in a mason jar?? |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:17:39 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: Are you frigging kidding me? In your earlier post you said: "The ideal solution would be to install one of those flexible copper (or stainless steel) pipes made for water heaters." Note the word *ideal*. So are you saying that you don't prefer *ideal* solutions? I did see a house where all the plumbing froze, and the ends of both of those spiral tubes separated from the tubes. But none of that stuff is made for freezing, and I'd think all those ribs would cause excessive pressure on the pipe, because the ice would be applying a lot of pressure against every rib. I would not normally recommend them, because they are really not needed, and they are costly. But in this thread, it was mentioned that the pipes were not properly aligned and I thought that would be an easy way to correct it, rather than redoing more pipes. "Easy" rarely equates to "ideal". Which word are you now going with as far as the flexible WH tubes? Easy or Ideal? In the case of my repair, the ideal solution turned out to be fairly easy. One extra fitting and a shim. Now I have straight copper (just like you like it) and everything lines up perfectly and in a relaxed manner. It actually would have been more work to go out and buy your "ideal" solution than it was to solder a few fittings. If you want to play word games, go play them with someone who wants to play. I dont! I tried to be helpful since I've done my share of plumbing. Your pipe was offset, I offerred you a solution. If you didnt like it, and found a better way to do it. that's you choice. But if you want to play your ****ing games, go play them with someone who gives a flying ****! I'm finished with this thread! |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 15:20:29 -0500, wrote:
I'm finished with this thread! Jesus, Jose` and Maria, there is a God. |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:39:54 -0400, wrote:
I'm finished with this thread! Not finished with the list yet??? Dang. She'll return under the new nym Kicking Goat. |
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:21:15 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:17:39 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: Are you frigging kidding me? In your earlier post you said: "The ideal solution would be to install one of those flexible copper (or stainless steel) pipes made for water heaters." Note the word *ideal*. So are you saying that you don't prefer *ideal* solutions? I did see a house where all the plumbing froze, and the ends of both of those spiral tubes separated from the tubes. But none of that stuff is made for freezing, and I'd think all those ribs would cause excessive pressure on the pipe, because the ice would be applying a lot of pressure against every rib. I would not normally recommend them, because they are really not needed, and they are costly. But in this thread, it was mentioned that the pipes were not properly aligned and I thought that would be an easy way to correct it, rather than redoing more pipes. "Easy" rarely equates to "ideal". Which word are you now going with as far as the flexible WH tubes? Easy or Ideal? In the case of my repair, the ideal solution turned out to be fairly easy. One extra fitting and a shim. Now I have straight copper (just like you like it) and everything lines up perfectly and in a relaxed manner. It actually would have been more work to go out and buy your "ideal" solution than it was to solder a few fittings. If you want to play word games, go play them with someone who wants to play. I dont! This is a text based discussion. Words are all we have. When you use a word such as "ideal" and then contradict yourself, how is it a game when I question what you previously said? I tried to be helpful since I've done my share of plumbing. Your pipe was offset, I offerred you a solution. If you didnt like it, and found a better way to do it. that's you choice. I found a better way to do it before you offered your solution. In fact, it was in the very same post in which you read that the pipes were not aligned that I posted a description and a *picture* of my solution. What was the point of offering a solution that you would not "normally recommend" after I had already stated (and shown) that I used the exact method that *you* prefer - copper pipe? But if you want to play your ****ing games, go play them with someone who gives a flying ****! I'm finished with this thread! You should have finished earlier, like maybe before you embarrassed yourself. |
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:21:15 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I'm finished with this thread! I'm 63 years old. I've been on usenet since before the web. In all that time, I've NEVER seen someone claim to be finished and actually stay away. Just saying. |
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On 3/23/2016 8:14 AM, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:21:15 PM UTC-4, wrote: I'm finished with this thread! I'm 63 years old. I've been on usenet since before the web. In all that time, I've NEVER seen someone claim to be finished and actually stay away. Just saying. The record was in 1999 when a poster using the name DUCKTAPEKAT managed to leave a thread for four days. The record has been challenged, but never beat. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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