Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.

On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch be
with the mayor?

Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Of course, the town may actually have to raise the rate to cover
a reduction in other monies granted to the town/township/county
by the state and/or feds.

On 4/20/15 1:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?


According to
http://city.milwaukee.gov/Frequently...99.htm#FAQ8_Q1

his City tax bill pays for Milwaukee's school system, no money goes to
the State ( except some Forestry fund)

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 1:34:18 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Of course, the town may actually have to raise the rate to cover
a reduction in other monies granted to the town/township/county
by the state and/or feds.

Yes, without knowing what changed, it's impossible to identify
whether the source is local, state, and maybe even feds. It also
depends what those taxes are already. Some places, with low taxes,
a 5% increase wouldn't be as bad in the overall picture as it would
someplace else, that relies on high property taxes.

On 04/20/2015 12:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch be
with the mayor?




Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

On 04/20/2015 12:41 PM, Retired wrote:
On 4/20/15 1:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?


According to http://city.milwaukee.gov/Frequently...99.htm#FAQ8_Q1

his City tax bill pays for Milwaukee's school system, no money goes to
the State ( except some Forestry fund)



Yep

and it we had a good school system I'd be all for it...
except the school system is being gutted.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 12:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch be
with the mayor?




Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

From a recent Wisconsin newspaper:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...ding/22816803/

Highlights of Walker's state budget proposal

TAXES: Property taxes on the median-valued $151,000 home would remain about the same, dropping $5 this year and $5 next year, at a cost of $280 million. There are no changes to sales or income taxes.


And from what he campaigned on over a year ago:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...240319931.html

Scott Walker promises property tax cut, lower income tax withholding

Madison -- The state is projected to take in hundreds of millions of dollars more than expected in tax collections through June 2015, prompting Gov. Scott Walker to propose cutting taxes for the third time in less than a year..

Walker said his plan -- to be spelled out Jan. 22 in his "state of the state" address -- will include a property tax cut and a decrease in how much is withheld in income taxes from workers' pay throughout the year. The withholding changes would mean that Wisconsin residents would see more money in each paycheck upfront rather than in their spring income tax refunds."



So, I don't know what happened in the year just ended, but it looks like
what Walker is submitting as a proposed budget actually has a tax
decrease over the next two years.
And note that the headline from a year ago that says "Scott Walker promises..."
is the newspaper headline. In the article, I don't see Walker saying
he promises it, only that he proposes doing it. He isn't a dictator and
still has the legislature to deal with, no? I'd actually be surprised
where Walker outright promised a property tax decrease, but if you
can show us, I'd be happy to look at it.

On 04/20/2015 01:10 PM, trader_4 wrote:



Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

From a recent Wisconsin newspaper:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...ding/22816803/

Highlights of Walker's state budget proposal

TAXES: Property taxes on the median-valued $151,000 home would remain about the same, dropping $5 this year and $5 next year, at a cost of $280 million. There are no changes to sales or income taxes.


And from what he campaigned on over a year ago:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...240319931.html

Scott Walker promises property tax cut, lower income tax withholding

Madison -- The state is projected to take in hundreds of millions of dollars more than expected in tax collections through June 2015, prompting Gov. Scott Walker to propose cutting taxes for the third time in less than a year.

Walker said his plan -- to be spelled out Jan. 22 in his "state of the state" address -- will include a property tax cut and a decrease in how much is withheld in income taxes from workers' pay throughout the year. The withholding changes would mean that Wisconsin residents would see more money in each paycheck upfront rather than in their spring income tax refunds."



So, I don't know what happened in the year just ended, but it looks like
what Walker is submitting as a proposed budget actually has a tax
decrease over the next two years.
And note that the headline from a year ago that says "Scott Walker promises.."
is the newspaper headline. In the article, I don't see Walker saying
he promises it, only that he proposes doing it. He isn't a dictator and
still has the legislature to deal with, no? I'd actually be surprised
where Walker outright promised a property tax decrease, but if you
can show us, I'd be happy to look at it.




I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him.

In ,
Ed Pawlowski belched:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%. The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?

+1

On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.



Mine are going up over 10% in a state under complete Democrat control, DE.

Not the governors fault but the local school district that increased
taxes, but us seniors in DE get a $500 deduction that the Dem governor
wants to do away with.

In ,
philo belched:
On 04/20/2015 01:10 PM, trader_4 wrote:



Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into
office.

From a recent Wisconsin newspaper:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...ding/22816803/

Highlights of Walker's state budget proposal

TAXES: Property taxes on the median-valued $151,000 home would
remain about the same, dropping $5 this year and $5 next year, at a
cost of $280 million. There are no changes to sales or income taxes.


And from what he campaigned on over a year ago:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...240319931.html

Scott Walker promises property tax cut, lower income tax withholding

Madison -- The state is projected to take in hundreds of millions of
dollars more than expected in tax collections through June 2015,
prompting Gov. Scott Walker to propose cutting taxes for the third
time in less than a year. Walker said his plan -- to be spelled out
Jan. 22 in his "state of
the state" address -- will include a property tax cut and a decrease
in how much is withheld in income taxes from workers' pay throughout
the year. The withholding changes would mean that Wisconsin
residents would see more money in each paycheck upfront rather than
in their spring income tax refunds." So, I don't know what happened
in the year just ended, but it looks
like what Walker is submitting as a proposed budget actually has a tax
decrease over the next two years.
And note that the headline from a year ago that says "Scott Walker
promises.." is the newspaper headline. In the article, I don't see
Walker saying
he promises it, only that he proposes doing it. He isn't a dictator
and still has the legislature to deal with, no? I'd actually be
surprised where Walker outright promised a property tax decrease, but if
you
can show us, I'd be happy to look at it.




I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him.

Hearsay will not hold up in court.
Much like those who voted for obammy thinking he was going to pay all their
bills.
My understanding was that Walker would no longer collect dues for the
teachers unions, something the government shouldn't be doing, and allowing
the teachers to pay it themselves, which they(most) declined to do. So how
is that gutting the education system?

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
..

It's interesting that we just went from this:

"Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

To this:

" I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him."


I wouldn't say he even had to make a promise to cut taxes in writing,
verbally would be enough. It's just that I doubt he would have actually made
such an absolute promise, as opposed to saying that he would "be in favor of,
propose, submit a plan to cut taxes, etc". A governor can only do so much.

On 04/20/2015 02:13 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
.

It's interesting that we just went from this:

"Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

To this:

" I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him."


I wouldn't say he even had to make a promise to cut taxes in writing,
verbally would be enough. It's just that I doubt he would have actually made
such an absolute promise, as opposed to saying that he would "be in favor of,
propose, submit a plan to cut taxes, etc". A governor can only do so much.




Nothing to do with a Gov. but we all know politicians make promises they
cannot keep.

On 04/20/2015 02:03 PM, ChairMan wrote:
In ,
Ed Pawlowski belched:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%. The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?

+1





Here is Walker's promise


http://fox6now.com/2014/12/17/gov-sc...-around-state/

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 3:18:20 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 02:13 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
.

It's interesting that we just went from this:

"Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

To this:

" I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him."


I wouldn't say he even had to make a promise to cut taxes in writing,
verbally would be enough. It's just that I doubt he would have actually made
such an absolute promise, as opposed to saying that he would "be in favor of,
propose, submit a plan to cut taxes, etc". A governor can only do so much.




Nothing to do with a Gov. but we all know politicians make promises they
cannot keep.

The point here is you're accusing him of breaking a promise,
while from what I can see, he never make the absolute promise to
decrease property taxes to begin with and for the next two years,
the budgets he's submitted do provide for a tax decrease.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 3:20:07 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 02:03 PM, ChairMan wrote:
In ,
Ed Pawlowski belched:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%. The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?

+1





Here is Walker's promise


http://fox6now.com/2014/12/17/gov-sc...-around-state/

"MILWAUKEE (WITI) -- Gov. Scott Walker says he's working to further reduce property taxes and will unveil details of a major proposal in his budget."

He said he's "working to further reduce property taxes". He
didn't "promise" that he would be successful, which is what
you've implied. At the same time, the
budget he just submitted calls for property tax reductions in
the next two years. I'd say he's met the campaign promise.

"ChairMan" writes:

Much like those who voted for obammy thinking he was going to pay all their
bills.

I wasn't aware of this. Do you have a citation to
the evidence that there were any voters who thought
the president was going to pay all their bills?

--
Okay, yes -- I have met the occasional person who has decided that his/her
moral position is so impeccable that it justifies rudeness, hostility,
and an astonishing display of horrendous behavior. On the occasions
that I am in agreement with the position, I am still embarrassed by the
behavior. (I have even been criticized as being unsupportive because I
didn't go charging up the hill after the screechweasels.) But I would not
stereotype or categorize an entire class of people or their ideology as
suitable for hostility just because they hold a different position than
I do.

I'm old enough and experienced enough to recognize bull**** before I step
in it.

David Gerrold, Feb 7, 2015

On 04/20/2015 03:52 PM, wrote:

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.




In fairness, most real estate taxes are local government issues, not
state issues.




Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill was small enough to
pay all at once.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 5:07:28 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 03:52 PM, wrote:

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.




In fairness, most real estate taxes are local government issues, not
state issues.




Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill was small enough to
pay all at once.

I'm paying 12K on a 3100 sq ft house. Feel better now?

philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 03:52 PM, wrote:

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.




In fairness, most real estate taxes are local government issues, not
state issues.




Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill was small enough to
pay all at once.
My valuation increased by 6%, 2014 over 2013 but the tax increased only
by 1% so I feel lucky. You said your tax increased by 5%. What was the
change in your valuation?

On 04/20/2015 05:09 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 5:07:28 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 03:52 PM, wrote:

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.




In fairness, most real estate taxes are local government issues, not
state issues.




Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill was small enough to
pay all at once.

I'm paying 12K on a 3100 sq ft house. Feel better now?



Nah, I don't need a house that large

it's just me and my wife. If I had more room I'd just store more junk.

Making real good progress in getting rid of it though.

On 04/20/2015 05:20 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 03:52 PM, wrote:

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.




In fairness, most real estate taxes are local government issues, not
state issues.




Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill was small enough to
pay all at once.
My valuation increased by 6%, 2014 over 2013 but the tax increased only
by 1% so I feel lucky. You said your tax increased by 5%. What was the
change in your valuation?




Value of the house went up about 10K

It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone up...just found it
so typical that they have gone up at a time when the Gov is telling us
he's working to bring them down.

In ,
philo belched:
On 04/20/2015 05:20 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 03:52 PM, wrote:

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education
and a BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to
replace one that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span
of 50 years.

In fairness, most real estate taxes are local government issues,
not state issues.




Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill was small
enough to pay all at once.
My valuation increased by 6%, 2014 over 2013 but the tax increased
only by 1% so I feel lucky. You said your tax increased by 5%. What
was the change in your valuation?




Value of the house went up about 10K

It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone up...just found
it so typical that they have gone up at a time when the Gov is
telling us he's working to bring them down.

If he can fulfill his "promise" and either freeze the current rate or lowers
it and your house continues to appreciate and in turn raise your taxes, are
you still going to complain? Or are you going to appreciate that you now
have much more equity in your home with a stable or fair tax rate?

In article ,
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.




In fairness, most real estate taxes are local government issues, not
state issues.

Depends. In Indiana for instance, the local government sets the rate but
the State okays and has some very specific requirements and it is state
law that property taxes can't go up more than a set amount every year.
It is a local tax in name only.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On 04/20/2015 07:36 PM, ChairMan wrote:



Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill was small
enough to pay all at once.
My valuation increased by 6%, 2014 over 2013 but the tax increased
only by 1% so I feel lucky. You said your tax increased by 5%. What
was the change in your valuation?




Value of the house went up about 10K

It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone up...just found
it so typical that they have gone up at a time when the Gov is
telling us he's working to bring them down.

If he can fulfill his "promise" and either freeze the current rate or lowers
it and your house continues to appreciate and in turn raise your taxes, are
you still going to complain? Or are you going to appreciate that you now
have much more equity in your home with a stable or fair tax rate?





Not a complaint exactly, my house is worth 6x what I paid for it
but of course that was 35 years ago and I've done a ton of work on it

On 4/20/2015 6:09 PM, trader_4 wrote:


I'm paying 12K on a 3100 sq ft house. Feel better now?


Ouch! No complaints about my $2600 bill for 2200 ft.

On 4/20/2015 8:13 PM, philo wrote:


It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone up...just found it
so typical that they have gone up at a time when the Gov is telling us
he's working to bring them down.

Here the governor has no say in town taxes, as it should be. I can't
imagine how he would reduce taxes controlled by the town board of finance.

philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 07:36 PM, ChairMan wrote:



Just longing for the good old days when my tax bill
was small
enough to pay all at once.
My valuation increased by 6%, 2014 over 2013 but the
tax increased
only by 1% so I feel lucky. You said your tax increased
by 5%. What
was the change in your valuation?




Value of the house went up about 10K

It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone
up...just found
it so typical that they have gone up at a time when the
Gov is
telling us he's working to bring them down.

If he can fulfill his "promise" and either freeze the
current rate
or lowers it and your house continues to appreciate and
in turn
raise your taxes, are you still going to complain? Or are
you going
to appreciate that you now have much more equity in your
home with a
stable or fair tax rate?



Not a complaint exactly, my house is worth 6x what I paid
for it
but of course that was 35 years ago and I've done a ton of
work on it

"Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that
the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise
of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under
Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the
educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being cut for
education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works"

Pretty much sounds like a complaint to me

On 04/21/2015 12:59 AM, ChairMan wrote:


Not a complaint exactly, my house is worth 6x what I paid
for it
but of course that was 35 years ago and I've done a ton of
work on it

"Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that
the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise
of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under
Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the
educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being cut for
education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works"

Pretty much sounds like a complaint to me




So, are you complaining about that?

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 9:27:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 8:13 PM, philo wrote:


It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone up...just found it
so typical that they have gone up at a time when the Gov is telling us
he's working to bring them down.

Here the governor has no say in town taxes, as it should be. I can't
imagine how he would reduce taxes controlled by the town board of finance.

The state doesn't provide any revenues to the local towns
for anything? For example in NJ, the state hands over money
to the municipalities to help fund the schools, which consume
about two thirds of the property tax. Also, we had the lib
NJ Supreme Court decide two decades ago that it would determine
how much money has to be spent on educating kids in the poor
districts. The court has remained involved ever since and
perverted it to the point that the worst districts like
Camden get more per pupil than the wealthiest districts spend.
And of course, the kids are just as dumb as ever.... So,
here, what the state does can impact local property taxes.

On 4/21/2015 8:58 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 9:27:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 8:13 PM, philo wrote:


It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone up...just found it
so typical that they have gone up at a time when the Gov is telling us
he's working to bring them down.

Here the governor has no say in town taxes, as it should be. I can't
imagine how he would reduce taxes controlled by the town board of finance.

The state doesn't provide any revenues to the local towns
for anything? For example in NJ, the state hands over money
to the municipalities to help fund the schools, which consume
about two thirds of the property tax. Also, we had the lib
NJ Supreme Court decide two decades ago that it would determine
how much money has to be spent on educating kids in the poor
districts. The court has remained involved ever since and
perverted it to the point that the worst districts like
Camden get more per pupil than the wealthiest districts spend.
And of course, the kids are just as dumb as ever.... So,
here, what the state does can impact local property taxes.


I know some funding comes from the state, but it is an indirect
influence on our tax rate. The governor has no say in what the rate
should be. If the state suddenly tripled their contribution, you can be
sure the local B of F will keep the rate the same and spend that money
in some other place.

Governors do have some direct influence on rates of sales taxes and
income taxes, but all of that has to be approved by the legislature too.

Realistic view: No matter what the candidate promises, he is just part
of the crappy system once elected and has only influence, not full
control.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.

50 years don't go as far as they used to. Inflation, you know.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.
--
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.-- James Madison

On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 10:20:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/21/2015 8:58 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 9:27:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 8:13 PM, philo wrote:


It's been a long time since the taxes here have gone up...just found it
so typical that they have gone up at a time when the Gov is telling us
he's working to bring them down.

Here the governor has no say in town taxes, as it should be. I can't
imagine how he would reduce taxes controlled by the town board of finance.

The state doesn't provide any revenues to the local towns
for anything? For example in NJ, the state hands over money
to the municipalities to help fund the schools, which consume
about two thirds of the property tax. Also, we had the lib
NJ Supreme Court decide two decades ago that it would determine
how much money has to be spent on educating kids in the poor
districts. The court has remained involved ever since and
perverted it to the point that the worst districts like
Camden get more per pupil than the wealthiest districts spend.
And of course, the kids are just as dumb as ever.... So,
here, what the state does can impact local property taxes.


I know some funding comes from the state, but it is an indirect
influence on our tax rate.

Indirect is still an influence on taxes.

The governor has no say in what the rate
should be. If the state suddenly tripled their contribution, you can be
sure the local B of F will keep the rate the same and spend that money
in some other place.


They might, but that doesn't mean it's always the case. Further
the state could pass legislation sending the municipalities extra
money and making it targeted for tax relief.

Also, I kind of misread what you wrote. You said the "governor"
has no say in local taxes. I was thinking the "state". I agree
the governor even here has no direct control, ie can't do it on
his own.




Governors do have some direct influence on rates of sales taxes and
income taxes, but all of that has to be approved by the legislature too.


Agree

Realistic view: No matter what the candidate promises, he is just part
of the crappy system once elected and has only influence, not full
control.

In the case of Walker, from what I see he didn't promise he would
lower property taxes. He only said he was in favor of taking steps,
would make proposals to do so. And it looks like from the other
article, he just did exactly that. As you say, whether it gets
approved by the legislature, that's another story and why I didn't
believe he actually made a flat out promise to begin with.

"philo" wrote in message
...

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.

Considering the state of public education it's one of the most shameful
things that local governments do. The studies I have seen repeatedly show
that these deals where the local government pays (or helps pay) for a
stadium almost NEVER work out well for the taxpayer. The jobs created are
seasonal and low-paying (hawking peanuts) and big money often leaves the
state in form of player's salaries and gate receipts.

Yet local governments get blind-sided time and time again because their
lawyers are no match for the NFL and others who do these kind of shady deals
all over the country. These shysters are very experienced in making stadium
contracts LOOK favorable to the local government but are riddled with
"escape" clauses benefitting team owners and very rarely the taxpayers:

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers - The Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...payers/309448/ - Cached -
Similar
Sep 18, 2013 ... Taxpayers fund the stadiums, antitrust law doesn't apply to
broadcast ... Any deal
you make in that world doesn't make sense from the way the rest of us look
at it. ...
A new government entity, the Santa Clara Stadium Authority, is borrowing
$950 ...
Should something go wrong, taxpayers will likely take the hit.

Sports, Jobs, & Taxes: Are New Stadiums Worth the Cost ...
http://www.brookings.edu/research/ar...mer-taxes-noll - Cached -
Similar
State and local governments pay even larger subsidies than Washington. ...
Unfortunately, these arguments contain bad economic reasoning that leads to
.....
Abuses from exorbitant stadium packages, sweetheart leases, and footloose
franchises have left ... Almost always these provisions do not prevent a
team from
moving.

Football: A Waste of Taxpayers' Money | TIME.com
ideas.time.com/2013/12/06/football-a-waste-of-taxpayers-money/ - Cached -
Similar
Dec 6, 2013 ... When the Minnesota legislature signed off on its stadium
deal for the Vikings ... of
Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong With America.
......
Less people are paying the local government to park, frequesnting the ... It
is
always hilarious when someone claims their opponent has "no clue ...

Why Do Mayors Love Sports Stadiums? | The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/article/......ports-stadiums - Cached -
Similar
Jul 27, 2011 ... Stadium Status: Why Are Taxpayers Funding Billionaires'
Stadiums? ... the same
discount stores and fast-food joints that lined Market Street before the ...
relocation threats to get the city of Pittsburgh to help fund a new hockey
arena, ...
Yet even stadium critics in local government say that the sway provided ...

Public Financing of Private Sports Stadiums - Outside The Beltway
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/pub...orts-stadiums/ -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Such arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart
deals, but the ... Even
worse, taxpayers still service debt on now-demolished stadiums, including
.... And
we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ .... I had no
objection to a
temporary sales tax increase to pay for the park" GW Bush.

Oh, good: more sports teams asking taxpayers to pay for their stadiums
http://www.motherjones.com/.../cleve...aliers-indians - Cached
May 6, 2014 ... The Marlins Park fiasco created such a backlash that local
voters rebelled ... How
the Atlanta Braves' Proposed Stadium Deal Could Screw Their New Home ... Too
bad she can't afford a good car. ... And it's always full of people. ...
This is the logic
used to justify all government spending: "it pays for itself.

Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans, Taxpayers ...
http://www.cato.org/.../public-finan...fans-taxpayers -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans,
Taxpayers ... Such
arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart deals, but the
evidence ...
And we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ ...

From:

http://www.google.com/search?q=deals...+for+taxpayers

--
Bobby G.

On 04/21/2015 09:36 AM, micky wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.

50 years don't go as far as they used to. Inflation, you know.






I don't care what anyone says , I know I will be paying for part of it.

On 04/21/2015 10:04 AM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.




It would be futile to appeal.

The Milwaukee school system has been going down hill for a long time.

My daughter was in it while it was still good, but for her last year
I paid to put her in a nearby suburban school...

On 04/21/2015 10:36 AM, Robert Green wrote:



snip

Football: A Waste of Taxpayers' Money | TIME.com
ideas.time.com/2013/12/06/football-a-waste-of-taxpayers-money/ - Cached -
Similar
Dec 6, 2013 ... When the Minnesota legislature signed off on its stadium
deal for the Vikings ... of
Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong With America.
.....
Less people are paying the local government to park, frequesnting the ... It
is
always hilarious when someone claims their opponent has "no clue ...

Why Do Mayors Love Sports Stadiums? | The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/article/......ports-stadiums - Cached -
Similar
Jul 27, 2011 ... Stadium Status: Why Are Taxpayers Funding Billionaires'
Stadiums? ... the same
discount stores and fast-food joints that lined Market Street before the ...
relocation threats to get the city of Pittsburgh to help fund a new hockey
arena, ...
Yet even stadium critics in local government say that the sway provided ...

Public Financing of Private Sports Stadiums - Outside The Beltway
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/pub...orts-stadiums/ -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Such arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart
deals, but the ... Even
worse, taxpayers still service debt on now-demolished stadiums, including
... And
we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ .... I had no
objection to a
temporary sales tax increase to pay for the park" GW Bush.

Oh, good: more sports teams asking taxpayers to pay for their stadiums
http://www.motherjones.com/.../cleve...aliers-indians - Cached
May 6, 2014 ... The Marlins Park fiasco created such a backlash that local
voters rebelled ... How
the Atlanta Braves' Proposed Stadium Deal Could Screw Their New Home ... Too
bad she can't afford a good car. ... And it's always full of people. ...
This is the logic
used to justify all government spending: "it pays for itself.

Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans, Taxpayers ...
http://www.cato.org/.../public-finan...fans-taxpayers -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans,
Taxpayers ... Such
arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart deals, but the
evidence ...
And we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ ...

From:

http://www.google.com/search?q=deals...+for+taxpayers




Sports is fine and if if 100% pays for itself...I have no problem.

When Milwaukee decided they needed a new baseball stadium we were given
a .1% temporary tax to pay for it...then they decided to make it
permanent. Only an idiot did not see that coming.

Before we spend money for sports we need to make sure everyone is
getting a good education, has food and health care.

Once that's taken care of, then...sure spend money on sports.

On 4/21/2015 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:



Realistic view: No matter what the candidate promises, he is just part
of the crappy system once elected and has only influence, not full
control.

In the case of Walker, from what I see he didn't promise he would
lower property taxes. He only said he was in favor of taking steps,
would make proposals to do so. And it looks like from the other
article, he just did exactly that. As you say, whether it gets
approved by the legislature, that's another story and why I didn't
believe he actually made a flat out promise to begin with.


I have to give him credit for being smart enough to say "I'll propose"
rather than the "no new taxes" lie.