Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.

On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch be
with the mayor?

Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Of course, the town may actually have to raise the rate to cover
a reduction in other monies granted to the town/township/county
by the state and/or feds.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 1:34:18 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Of course, the town may actually have to raise the rate to cover
a reduction in other monies granted to the town/township/county
by the state and/or feds.

Yes, without knowing what changed, it's impossible to identify
whether the source is local, state, and maybe even feds. It also
depends what those taxes are already. Some places, with low taxes,
a 5% increase wouldn't be as bad in the overall picture as it would
someplace else, that relies on high property taxes.

On 4/20/15 1:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?


According to
http://city.milwaukee.gov/Frequently...99.htm#FAQ8_Q1

his City tax bill pays for Milwaukee's school system, no money goes to
the State ( except some Forestry fund)

On 04/20/2015 12:41 PM, Retired wrote:
On 4/20/15 1:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?


According to http://city.milwaukee.gov/Frequently...99.htm#FAQ8_Q1

his City tax bill pays for Milwaukee's school system, no money goes to
the State ( except some Forestry fund)



Yep

and it we had a good school system I'd be all for it...
except the school system is being gutted.

On 04/20/2015 12:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch be
with the mayor?




Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 12:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes tot
he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch be
with the mayor?




Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

From a recent Wisconsin newspaper:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...ding/22816803/

Highlights of Walker's state budget proposal

TAXES: Property taxes on the median-valued $151,000 home would remain about the same, dropping $5 this year and $5 next year, at a cost of $280 million. There are no changes to sales or income taxes.


And from what he campaigned on over a year ago:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...240319931.html

Scott Walker promises property tax cut, lower income tax withholding

Madison -- The state is projected to take in hundreds of millions of dollars more than expected in tax collections through June 2015, prompting Gov. Scott Walker to propose cutting taxes for the third time in less than a year..

Walker said his plan -- to be spelled out Jan. 22 in his "state of the state" address -- will include a property tax cut and a decrease in how much is withheld in income taxes from workers' pay throughout the year. The withholding changes would mean that Wisconsin residents would see more money in each paycheck upfront rather than in their spring income tax refunds."



So, I don't know what happened in the year just ended, but it looks like
what Walker is submitting as a proposed budget actually has a tax
decrease over the next two years.
And note that the headline from a year ago that says "Scott Walker promises..."
is the newspaper headline. In the article, I don't see Walker saying
he promises it, only that he proposes doing it. He isn't a dictator and
still has the legislature to deal with, no? I'd actually be surprised
where Walker outright promised a property tax decrease, but if you
can show us, I'd be happy to look at it.

On 04/20/2015 01:10 PM, trader_4 wrote:



Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

From a recent Wisconsin newspaper:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...ding/22816803/

Highlights of Walker's state budget proposal

TAXES: Property taxes on the median-valued $151,000 home would remain about the same, dropping $5 this year and $5 next year, at a cost of $280 million. There are no changes to sales or income taxes.


And from what he campaigned on over a year ago:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...240319931.html

Scott Walker promises property tax cut, lower income tax withholding

Madison -- The state is projected to take in hundreds of millions of dollars more than expected in tax collections through June 2015, prompting Gov. Scott Walker to propose cutting taxes for the third time in less than a year.

Walker said his plan -- to be spelled out Jan. 22 in his "state of the state" address -- will include a property tax cut and a decrease in how much is withheld in income taxes from workers' pay throughout the year. The withholding changes would mean that Wisconsin residents would see more money in each paycheck upfront rather than in their spring income tax refunds."



So, I don't know what happened in the year just ended, but it looks like
what Walker is submitting as a proposed budget actually has a tax
decrease over the next two years.
And note that the headline from a year ago that says "Scott Walker promises.."
is the newspaper headline. In the article, I don't see Walker saying
he promises it, only that he proposes doing it. He isn't a dictator and
still has the legislature to deal with, no? I'd actually be surprised
where Walker outright promised a property tax decrease, but if you
can show us, I'd be happy to look at it.




I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him.

In ,
philo belched:
On 04/20/2015 01:10 PM, trader_4 wrote:



Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into
office.

From a recent Wisconsin newspaper:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...ding/22816803/

Highlights of Walker's state budget proposal

TAXES: Property taxes on the median-valued $151,000 home would
remain about the same, dropping $5 this year and $5 next year, at a
cost of $280 million. There are no changes to sales or income taxes.


And from what he campaigned on over a year ago:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...240319931.html

Scott Walker promises property tax cut, lower income tax withholding

Madison -- The state is projected to take in hundreds of millions of
dollars more than expected in tax collections through June 2015,
prompting Gov. Scott Walker to propose cutting taxes for the third
time in less than a year. Walker said his plan -- to be spelled out
Jan. 22 in his "state of
the state" address -- will include a property tax cut and a decrease
in how much is withheld in income taxes from workers' pay throughout
the year. The withholding changes would mean that Wisconsin
residents would see more money in each paycheck upfront rather than
in their spring income tax refunds." So, I don't know what happened
in the year just ended, but it looks
like what Walker is submitting as a proposed budget actually has a tax
decrease over the next two years.
And note that the headline from a year ago that says "Scott Walker
promises.." is the newspaper headline. In the article, I don't see
Walker saying
he promises it, only that he proposes doing it. He isn't a dictator
and still has the legislature to deal with, no? I'd actually be
surprised where Walker outright promised a property tax decrease, but if
you
can show us, I'd be happy to look at it.




I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him.

Hearsay will not hold up in court.
Much like those who voted for obammy thinking he was going to pay all their
bills.
My understanding was that Walker would no longer collect dues for the
teachers unions, something the government shouldn't be doing, and allowing
the teachers to pay it themselves, which they(most) declined to do. So how
is that gutting the education system?

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
..

It's interesting that we just went from this:

"Yes....It's just that the governor made a promise he had no business
making in the first place, that is one of the reasons he got into office.

To this:

" I don't recall seeing his promise in writing, just hearing it from all
those who voted for him."


I wouldn't say he even had to make a promise to cut taxes in writing,
verbally would be enough. It's just that I doubt he would have actually made
such an absolute promise, as opposed to saying that he would "be in favor of,
propose, submit a plan to cut taxes, etc". A governor can only do so much.

In ,
Ed Pawlowski belched:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%. The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?

+1

On 04/20/2015 02:03 PM, ChairMan wrote:
In ,
Ed Pawlowski belched:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%. The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?

+1





Here is Walker's promise


http://fox6now.com/2014/12/17/gov-sc...-around-state/

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 3:20:07 PM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/20/2015 02:03 PM, ChairMan wrote:
In ,
Ed Pawlowski belched:
On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about
5%. The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.

In our state the State government and the governor have nothing to do
with property taxes. The rate is set by the town and all money goes
tot he town.

Since your letter is from the City of Milwaukee, shouldn't your bitch
be with the mayor?

+1





Here is Walker's promise


http://fox6now.com/2014/12/17/gov-sc...-around-state/

"MILWAUKEE (WITI) -- Gov. Scott Walker says he's working to further reduce property taxes and will unveil details of a major proposal in his budget."

He said he's "working to further reduce property taxes". He
didn't "promise" that he would be successful, which is what
you've implied. At the same time, the
budget he just submitted calls for property tax reductions in
the next two years. I'd say he's met the campaign promise.

On 4/20/2015 12:39 PM, philo wrote:
Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.



Mine are going up over 10% in a state under complete Democrat control, DE.

Not the governors fault but the local school district that increased
taxes, but us seniors in DE get a $500 deduction that the Dem governor
wants to do away with.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.

50 years don't go as far as they used to. Inflation, you know.

On 04/21/2015 09:36 AM, micky wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.

50 years don't go as far as they used to. Inflation, you know.






I don't care what anyone says , I know I will be paying for part of it.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.
--
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.-- James Madison

On 04/21/2015 10:04 AM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.




It would be futile to appeal.

The Milwaukee school system has been going down hill for a long time.

My daughter was in it while it was still good, but for her last year
I paid to put her in a nearby suburban school...

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:51:06 -0500, philo wrote:

On 04/21/2015 10:04 AM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.

It would be futile to appeal.


....but can you deduct the tax that bothers you?

The Milwaukee school system has been going down hill for a long time.

You can't be serious. Oh Really?! Gosh damn it...

So it isn't Gov. Walker, after all :-/

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:51:06 -0500, philo
wrote:

On 04/21/2015 10:04 AM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo
wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see
that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again.
Looks like
about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay
taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security
at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of
vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.

It would be futile to appeal.


...but can you deduct the tax that bothers you?

The Milwaukee school system has been going down hill for
a long time.

You can't be serious. Oh Really?! Gosh damn it...

So it isn't Gov. Walker, after all :-/

No, it's just what he heard : )

On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 13:38:02 -0500, "ChairMan"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:51:06 -0500, philo
wrote:

On 04/21/2015 10:04 AM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo
wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see
that the
property taxes on my house are going up yet again.
Looks like
about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay
taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security
at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of
vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.

It would be futile to appeal.


...but can you deduct the tax that bothers you?

The Milwaukee school system has been going down hill for
a long time.

You can't be serious. Oh Really?! Gosh damn it...

So it isn't Gov. Walker, after all :-/

No, it's just what he heard : )


We sent him to class about Cruz being an American here.

Then he read our Constitution on the matter.

Damn Yankees

On 04/21/2015 01:10 PM, Oren wrote:



...but can you deduct the tax that bothers you?

The Milwaukee school system has been going down hill for a long time.

You can't be serious. Oh Really?! Gosh damn it...

So it isn't Gov. Walker, after all :-/



True that he did not cause the problem
but also true that instead of trying to fix it, he's only doing things
to make it worse.

philo wrote:
On 04/21/2015 01:10 PM, Oren wrote:



...but can you deduct the tax that bothers you?

The Milwaukee school system has been going down hill for
a long
time.

You can't be serious. Oh Really?! Gosh damn it...

So it isn't Gov. Walker, after all :-/



True that he did not cause the problem
but also true that instead of trying to fix it, he's only
doing things
to make it worse.

But you said he did. So if he didn't, what *exactly* is he
doing to make it worse?

Oren posted for all of us...



On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

Can you appeal the increase? Did you?

Can you deduct the tax on state or federal taxes? Eh?

I have no children in skewl. I dislike having to pay taxes for dumb
teachers and students, and spending money for security at our
community gladiator skewls of heathens and pits of vipers.

Spit!

Gov. Walker is not the problem.

Never had any kidz so my 40 years of taxes is oppresive.In PA new gov Wolf
wants to increase sales other taxes and lower the property tax. I will be
dead and never see any lowering of property taxes; never happen. Just pay
more. The state is responsible in PA to fund the skewlz but doesn't do it in
the sububurbs. Philly & Pittsburgh get $$$$ but still need more and more.

In East PA we have the SE PA Transportation Authority (SEPTA) running thr
publix body moving. Thet need money too. At one place I worked at I always
wondered why the service people that worked on the signals and crossings
would have a new vehicle every year... Never a scratch on a truck. I never
had the nerve to ask why as he was there every other week it seemed. The had
wreck many years ago and I was the first EMS chief o/s. Definition of mad
house. Nobody seriously hurt but a lot of paperwork for me. Never found out
how many "riders" sued...

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

Tekkie® writes:
Never had any kidz so my 40 years of taxes is oppresive.

I had one.

For those of you that had none, do you really want even more
wild kids running around? Think of it as partly for your
own safety.

--
Dan Espen

On 4/24/2015 9:31 PM, Dan Espen wrote:

Tekkie® writes:
Never had any kidz so my 40 years of taxes is oppresive.

I had one.

For those of you that had none, do you really want even more
wild kids running around? Think of it as partly for your
own safety.


Yes, those kids you educate will be the doctors taking care of you in
your later days. If properly educated, the will be self sufficient and
contribute to society instead of a drain on out tax dollars.

On 04/24/2015 08:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/24/2015 9:31 PM, Dan Espen wrote:

Tekkie® writes:
Never had any kidz so my 40 years of taxes is oppresive.

I had one.

For those of you that had none, do you really want even more
wild kids running around? Think of it as partly for your
own safety.


Yes, those kids you educate will be the doctors taking care of you in
your later days. If properly educated, the will be self sufficient and
contribute to society instead of a drain on out tax dollars.



Yep, even if I never had kids I'd still have been glad to pay for
education. No one has gutted the system like Walker. It really is a crime.

If Walker wanted to go after the illegitimate -for profit- colleges I'd
have thought differently.


Note: I do not have a problem with -for profit- colleges, I'm
specifically talking about the ones that will automatically graduate
anybody, no matter how poorly they do.

"philo" wrote in message
...

The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.

Considering the state of public education it's one of the most shameful
things that local governments do. The studies I have seen repeatedly show
that these deals where the local government pays (or helps pay) for a
stadium almost NEVER work out well for the taxpayer. The jobs created are
seasonal and low-paying (hawking peanuts) and big money often leaves the
state in form of player's salaries and gate receipts.

Yet local governments get blind-sided time and time again because their
lawyers are no match for the NFL and others who do these kind of shady deals
all over the country. These shysters are very experienced in making stadium
contracts LOOK favorable to the local government but are riddled with
"escape" clauses benefitting team owners and very rarely the taxpayers:

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers - The Atlantic
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Yet even stadium critics in local government say that the sway provided ...

Public Financing of Private Sports Stadiums - Outside The Beltway
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/pub...orts-stadiums/ -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Such arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart
deals, but the ... Even
worse, taxpayers still service debt on now-demolished stadiums, including
.... And
we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ .... I had no
objection to a
temporary sales tax increase to pay for the park" GW Bush.

Oh, good: more sports teams asking taxpayers to pay for their stadiums
http://www.motherjones.com/.../cleve...aliers-indians - Cached
May 6, 2014 ... The Marlins Park fiasco created such a backlash that local
voters rebelled ... How
the Atlanta Braves' Proposed Stadium Deal Could Screw Their New Home ... Too
bad she can't afford a good car. ... And it's always full of people. ...
This is the logic
used to justify all government spending: "it pays for itself.

Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans, Taxpayers ...
http://www.cato.org/.../public-finan...fans-taxpayers -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans,
Taxpayers ... Such
arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart deals, but the
evidence ...
And we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ ...

From:

http://www.google.com/search?q=deals...+for+taxpayers

--
Bobby G.

On 04/21/2015 10:36 AM, Robert Green wrote:



snip

Football: A Waste of Taxpayers' Money | TIME.com
ideas.time.com/2013/12/06/football-a-waste-of-taxpayers-money/ - Cached -
Similar
Dec 6, 2013 ... When the Minnesota legislature signed off on its stadium
deal for the Vikings ... of
Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What's Wrong With America.
.....
Less people are paying the local government to park, frequesnting the ... It
is
always hilarious when someone claims their opponent has "no clue ...

Why Do Mayors Love Sports Stadiums? | The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/article/......ports-stadiums - Cached -
Similar
Jul 27, 2011 ... Stadium Status: Why Are Taxpayers Funding Billionaires'
Stadiums? ... the same
discount stores and fast-food joints that lined Market Street before the ...
relocation threats to get the city of Pittsburgh to help fund a new hockey
arena, ...
Yet even stadium critics in local government say that the sway provided ...

Public Financing of Private Sports Stadiums - Outside The Beltway
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/pub...orts-stadiums/ -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Such arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart
deals, but the ... Even
worse, taxpayers still service debt on now-demolished stadiums, including
... And
we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ .... I had no
objection to a
temporary sales tax increase to pay for the park" GW Bush.

Oh, good: more sports teams asking taxpayers to pay for their stadiums
http://www.motherjones.com/.../cleve...aliers-indians - Cached
May 6, 2014 ... The Marlins Park fiasco created such a backlash that local
voters rebelled ... How
the Atlanta Braves' Proposed Stadium Deal Could Screw Their New Home ... Too
bad she can't afford a good car. ... And it's always full of people. ...
This is the logic
used to justify all government spending: "it pays for itself.

Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans, Taxpayers ...
http://www.cato.org/.../public-finan...fans-taxpayers -
Cached - Similar
May 23, 2012 ... Public Financing of Vikings Stadium a Bad Deal for Fans,
Taxpayers ... Such
arguments are always trotted out for these sweetheart deals, but the
evidence ...
And we shouldn't forget that local governments often employ ...

From:

http://www.google.com/search?q=deals...+for+taxpayers




Sports is fine and if if 100% pays for itself...I have no problem.

When Milwaukee decided they needed a new baseball stadium we were given
a .1% temporary tax to pay for it...then they decided to make it
permanent. Only an idiot did not see that coming.

Before we spend money for sports we need to make sure everyone is
getting a good education, has food and health care.

Once that's taken care of, then...sure spend money on sports.

Robert Green posted for all of us...


From:

http://www.google.com/search?q=deals...+for+taxpayers


I think there is too much emphasis on sports. It is almost cult-like or a
religion. Too late now. Look at sports pages vs honor rolls in newspapers.
Kid scores a point big ta-do but kid that wins a science fair is on page 5
and proceeds to get mocked.

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On 04/24/2015 04:19 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
Robert Green posted for all of us...


From:

http://www.google.com/search?q=deals...+for+taxpayers


I think there is too much emphasis on sports. It is almost cult-like or a
religion. Too late now. Look at sports pages vs honor rolls in newspapers.
Kid scores a point big ta-do but kid that wins a science fair is on page 5
and proceeds to get mocked.





I have nothing at all against sports, simply the -sports-first- attitude.

De-funding education while funding sports is one of my pet peeves.


https://tobefree.wordpress.com/2013/...not-difficult/

"philo" wrote in message
...
I think there is too much emphasis on sports. It is almost cult-like or a
religion. Too late now. Look at sports pages vs honor rolls in
newspapers.
Kid scores a point big ta-do but kid that wins a science fair is on page
5
and proceeds to get mocked.





I have nothing at all against sports, simply the -sports-first- attitude.

De-funding education while funding sports is one of my pet peeves.


https://tobefree.wordpress.com/2013/...not-difficult/


I don't have any thing against sports either. In fact it keeps thousands of
people out of my hair on things I enjoy doing.

I do agree with you on how they are funded. I don't want any of my tax
dollars going to build places for them to play. Charlotte NC built a big
'show place' for sports and later found it could not support its self so
they asked the banks for forgiveness for some of the money. That probably
affects me.

Just saw on the news that some big college wanted to buy a new jet for the
sports people so they could fly around to the high schools to recrute new
players. Why can't they just fly comercial ?

A number of years ago it was said that Michael Jorden got paid more to
advertise a product (think it was shoes) that year than the workers of the
whole factory made that year.
I don't use that product, and hope never to use it.

On 04/25/2015 05:48 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

I don't have any thing against sports either. In fact it keeps thousands of
people out of my hair on things I enjoy doing.

I do agree with you on how they are funded. I don't want any of my tax
dollars going to build places for them to play. Charlotte NC built a big
'show place' for sports and later found it could not support its self so
they asked the banks for forgiveness for some of the money. That probably
affects me.

Just saw on the news that some big college wanted to buy a new jet for the
sports people so they could fly around to the high schools to recrute new
players. Why can't they just fly comercial ?

A number of years ago it was said that Michael Jorden got paid more to
advertise a product (think it was shoes) that year than the workers of the
whole factory made that year.
I don't use that product, and hope never to use it.





Pretty sure it was shoes.


I do know that a large part of what we pay for products is the advertising.

I find that non-advertised products are sometimes 25% the price of the
advertised brands.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:19:27 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Robert Green posted for all of us...


From:

http://www.google.com/search?q=deals...+for+taxpayers


I think there is too much emphasis on sports. It is almost cult-like or a
religion. Too late now. Look at sports pages vs honor rolls in newspapers.
Kid scores a point big ta-do but kid that wins a science fair is on page 5
and proceeds to get mocked.


How un-American of you! Remember, the football players are usually
well educated college graduates and really deserve $15million a year
for all the good they do for the world.

I have not bought a pro sports ticket in the past 50 years. Even if
you gave me tickets, I don't care to attend though I have a few times
many years ago.

On 04/25/2015 09:18 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
d.


How un-American of you! Remember, the football players are usually
well educated college graduates and really deserve $15million a year
for all the good they do for the world.

I have not bought a pro sports ticket in the past 50 years. Even if
you gave me tickets, I don't care to attend though I have a few times
many years ago.




I grew up in Green Bay back in the 1950's

As soon as Vince Lombardi comes back I'll be going to football games

In article ,
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

How un-American of you! Remember, the football players are usually
well educated college graduates and really deserve $15million a year
for all the good they do for the world.


This is simply supply and demand. Heck it can be shown that aren't even
36 first level quarterbacks available in the world.

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³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:39:52 -0500, philo wrote:

Just got a letter from the city of Milwaukee and I see that the property
taxes on my house are going up yet again. Looks like about 5%.

The Gov. Walker certainly did not keep his campaign promise of lower
taxes...the increase is no better/ no worse than under Democratic
governors. Were the increase going to help maintain the educational
systems within the state I could deal with it.


The news is telling me that funding is being /cut/ for education and a
BILLION dollar sports arena is in the works.


Nothing against sports of course, but the sports arena is to replace one
that was built in 1988 and had a projected life span of 50 years.





I don't think I've ever seen property taxes go down more then a very
tiny percent when some bond ended. Even when the bubble burst and
real values took a nosedive the taxes stay high because it takes
several years for the book value on the tax rolls to drop and in the
meantime they keep raising the rates to make up for it. Virtually
every year my taxes go up anywhere from 4 to 20% cuz these weasels in
gvt just never seem to have enough money to squander.

On 04/24/2015 04:09 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:



snip




I don't think I've ever seen property taxes go down more then a very
tiny percent when some bond ended. Even when the bubble burst and
real values took a nosedive the taxes stay high because it takes
several years for the book value on the tax rolls to drop and in the
meantime they keep raising the rates to make up for it. Virtually
every year my taxes go up anywhere from 4 to 20% cuz these weasels in
gvt just never seem to have enough money to squander.




During the so called "housing bubble" the city started assessing the
value of houses /above/ actual market value making the assumption the
value was going to keep rising.


That's when my taxes got so high I considered moving.

The city informed us that even though our bills were higher, they had
actually lowered the tax rate. So I have...in a way...seen taxes go
down...even though they went up.

Great Orwellian double-speak.

On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 6:25:55 AM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 04/24/2015 04:09 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:



snip




I don't think I've ever seen property taxes go down more then a very
tiny percent when some bond ended. Even when the bubble burst and
real values took a nosedive the taxes stay high because it takes
several years for the book value on the tax rolls to drop and in the
meantime they keep raising the rates to make up for it. Virtually
every year my taxes go up anywhere from 4 to 20% cuz these weasels in
gvt just never seem to have enough money to squander.




During the so called "housing bubble" the city started assessing the
value of houses /above/ actual market value making the assumption the
value was going to keep rising.


That's when my taxes got so high I considered moving.


Then something is apparently very wrong in your city govt,
so why aren't you complaining about that, instead of Gov Walker?
Rising assessments should not affect the amount of taxes you
pay. If a town needs X dollars to fund it's budget, then
they apply whatever tax rate it takes to get that from the
total assessed value of all the properties. If the value of
the properties is higher, then the tax rate just gets set
lower, so that they raise the same amount. What raises
taxes is uncontrolled spending.



The city informed us that even though our bills were higher, they had
actually lowered the tax rate. So I have...in a way...seen taxes go
down...even though they went up.

Great Orwellian double-speak.

Typically some people do wind up paying more taxes
because all properties don't always appreciate proportionally.
Here at the shore people with waterfront properties have
been complaining because when revaluation was done, there
properties went up substantially more than other inland
properties in other neighborhoods. But that isn't the govt's
fault, it just reflects the economic reality. So, they
wind up paying more, some other folks wind up paying less.
For everyone to be paying higher, it would require that
your local govt decided to jump their total spending up.
Again, that would be the local govt, not Walker.