They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use bleach.

Stupid ass environmentatlly unconscious Calif wackies.

"Guv Bob" wrote in message
m...
They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have
been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have
another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm and
leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm
wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in with
some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use bleach.

Stupid ass environmentatlly unconscious Calif wackies.

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Do you perchance have a front loader? I would never get that kind as I have
heard of the stink issues. I have an LG top loader and I love it! I
haven't really had to clean it but I do run plain water through it every now
and then.

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 00:42:25 -0700, "Guv Bob"
wrote in


They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks.

Try filling it with water only plus 1/2 cup of bleach. Then let it
sit for an hour.
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On 9/5/2014 8:42 AM, VinnyB wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 00:42:25 -0700, "Guv Bob"
wrote in


They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks.

Try filling it with water only plus 1/2 cup of bleach. Then let it
sit for an hour.

My top load Whirlpool (predates when I moved here,
in 1994) has never needed that treatment.

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On 9/5/2014 8:42 AM, VinnyB wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 00:42:25 -0700, "Guv Bob"
wrote in


They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks.

Try filling it with water only plus 1/2 cup of bleach. Then let it
sit for an hour.

I do not like them here or there
I do not like stinky under wear

I do not like them, Sam I Am,
I do not like green eggs and ham!

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 00:42:25 -0700, Guv Bob
wrote:

They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have
been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have
another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm
and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm
wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in
with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use
bleach.

Stupid ass environmentatlly unconscious Calif wackies.


mixing soda with vinegar creates salt and negates the best parts of either
soda [basic] or vinegar [acid]

the Ms. uses glatial acetic acid on her clothes and silks, so on wash day
evyerhting smells like a salad. But on other days veyr neutral.

My recommendation is bleach 1:4 with water, let sit, rinse. But you
mentioned no bleach, but still it works.

On 9/5/2014 3:42 AM, Guv Bob wrote:
They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use bleach.

Stupid ass environmentatlly unconscious Calif wackies.

Five years ago I bought a new front loader, GE. Besides the stink
problem, I had trouble with rinsing. The clothes never fully rinsed.
We always selected the extra rinse feature. Towards the end of it's
life in our house, we would select wash with extra rinse and then, after
that was done, put it though what they called a quick wash, again with
extra rinse and no soap ... really saved lots of water! Now we are very
happy with a top loader that allows me to select how much water goes in
the tub. So the clothes now do the sloshy slosh thing and the soap gets
out. Happy, happy, joy, joy.

On 09/05/14 03:42 am, Guv Bob wrote:
They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use bleach.

Stupid ass environmentatlly unconscious Calif wackies.

We've had our front-loading water-saving Kenmore (made by Frigidaire, I
think) for 12 years or more. No stink, gets clothes clean. I think we've
used a special cleaning product in it once. We use the Sears HE
detergent -- mostly the regular one, every now and then the one with
(oxygen, not chlorine) bleach.

Perce

I think Consumer Reports
talks about washing machine detergents

I just bought a Front Loader,
and it's taken some getting used to.
It saves water yes; it spins really fast,
which cuts down on dying time;

but i think i should have gotten a larger drum.
i like to do large loads,
and my sheets didn't clean thoroughly
[still learning how to use it]

marc

"Guv Bob" writes:
They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have =
been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have =
another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm =
and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm =
wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in =
with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use =
bleach.

Leave the door (front-loader) or lid (top-loader) open after use to allow
the interior to dry, then it won't smell. It says so right in the
RTFM.

Scott Lurndal wrote:

"Guv Bob" writes:
They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have =
been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have =
another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm =
and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm =
wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in =
with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use =
bleach.

Bleach is your friend, it's the sanitation equivalent of aspirin, the
"wonder drug". Used properly it is safe for pretty much anything, and it
doesn't produce resistant bacteria like some other sanitizers may.


Leave the door (front-loader) or lid (top-loader) open after use to allow
the interior to dry, then it won't smell. It says so right in the
RTFM.

Yes, just like people typically leave the lid up on a top load washer.

I've had a front load, tilt drum HE washer (Maytag SuperStack) for about
10 years and have never had an issue with performance or stink. I clean
with bleach about quarterly. Indeed I've found I can cut back on
detergent and it still does a good job and it of course also saves both
water and energy via less hot water use and the high speed spin reducing
the load on the dryer.

On 9/5/2014 9:24 AM, RobertMacy wrote:



My recommendation is bleach 1:4 with water, let sit, rinse. But you
mentioned no bleach, but still it works.


Sitting helps, but running it through the cleaning cycle is better, at
least on mine. I have a top loader Maytag During the clean cycle it
runs water through the detergent dispenser, bleach dispenser, softener
dispenser, as well a circulating water around the tub. There are five
channels the water can run to the tub.

When we lived in Germany we used one of those water saving washers.

It did very well cleaning clothes, even got some stains out that had been through the washer in the US previously.

It was slow and could take only a small load, so planning was essential. Also there was no hot water connection.

On 9/5/14, 3:42 AM, Guv Bob wrote:
They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks.

My clothes stink after only one week, or so I'm told. I tell them to
mind their own business.

In article ,
(Scott Lurndal) wrote:

"Guv Bob" writes:
They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have =
been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have =
another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm =
and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm =
wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in =
with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use =
bleach.

Leave the door (front-loader) or lid (top-loader) open after use to allow
the interior to dry, then it won't smell. It says so right in the
RTFM.

That is why I would not have a front-loader. The top-loaders do not
need a water tight seal, so moisture can easily escape with the lid
closed.

Why not leave the front-loader door open? LIZARDS! There is no way to
keep them out of the garage where the washer is located.

Fred

"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:

They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3
weeks. Have been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a
fortune. Anyone have another clearner that will get that stink
out and doesn't cost and arm and leg? Main ingredient on the
brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm wondering if I just dump
some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in with some vinegar
if that would do just as good. I don't want to use bleach.

Considering that washing soda is an alkali, and vinegar is an acid... no, it won't do "just as
good". You'll get sodium acetate, carbon dioxide, and water -- none of which is really worth
a hoot as a cleaning agent except water, and you already have plenty of that.

Plain washing soda by itself will do about as well as the detergent. What made you think
adding vinegar would be beneficial?

Fred McKenzie wrote in news:fmmck-5F31FE.13294305092014
@news.mixmin.net:

[...]
Why not leave the front-loader door open? LIZARDS! There is no way to
keep them out of the garage where the washer is located.

Sure there is. Live someplace that doesn't have lizards.

On 09/05/14 01:29 pm, Fred McKenzie wrote:

They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3 weeks. Have =
been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a fortune. Anyone have =
another clearner that will get that stink out and doesn't cost and arm =
and leg? Main ingredient on the brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm =
wondering if I just dump some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in =
with some vinegar if that would do just as good. I don't want to use =
bleach.

Leave the door (front-loader) or lid (top-loader) open after use to allow
the interior to dry, then it won't smell. It says so right in the
RTFM.

That is why I would not have a front-loader. The top-loaders do not
need a water tight seal, so moisture can easily escape with the lid
closed.

Why not leave the front-loader door open? LIZARDS! There is no way to
keep them out of the garage where the washer is located.

Leaving the door open is not recommended, especially if there are small
children around: a child could climb in and manage to pull the door shut
on him/herself. Main door closed,
detergent/bleach/fabric-softener-dispenser open for ventilation.

Perce

On 09/05/14 11:45 am, TimR wrote:
When we lived in Germany we used one of those water saving washers.

It did very well cleaning clothes, even got some stains out that had been through the washer in the US previously.

It was slow and could take only a small load, so planning was essential. Also there was no hot water connection.

40 years or so ago in Australia there were special cold-water laundry
detergents (but washing machines usually did have both cold- and
hot-water connections). Perhaps that was what one was intended to use in
Germany too.

Perce

On 9/5/2014 11:37 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/5/2014 9:24 AM, RobertMacy wrote:



My recommendation is bleach 1:4 with water, let sit, rinse. But you
mentioned no bleach, but still it works.


Sitting helps, but running it through the cleaning cycle is better, at
least on mine. I have a top loader Maytag During the clean cycle it
runs water through the detergent dispenser, bleach dispenser, softener
dispenser, as well a circulating water around the tub. There are five
channels the water can run to the tub.


Also Maytag top loader. Machine never smells.
We only use liquid detergent on advice of septic clean out guy who said
it leaves less waxy scum in tank.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message ...
"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:

They don't get the clothes clean and stink about every 2-3
weeks. Have been buying some brand name cleaner that costs a
fortune. Anyone have another clearner that will get that stink
out and doesn't cost and arm and leg? Main ingredient on the
brand name is sodium carbonate, so I'm wondering if I just dump
some plain sodium carbonate (washing soda) in with some vinegar
if that would do just as good. I don't want to use bleach.

Considering that washing soda is an alkali, and vinegar is an acid... no, it won't do "just as
good". You'll get sodium acetate, carbon dioxide, and water -- none of which is really worth
a hoot as a cleaning agent except water, and you already have plenty of that.

Plain washing soda by itself will do about as well as the detergent. What made you think
adding vinegar would be beneficial?

Oh, I don't know -- vinegar works better for cleaning mildew off windows, etc. Just guessing.

Various responses.... thanks to all... good info in this thread!

This washer is a top loading water-saving POS. No agitator -- figure that out.... End up having to wash some things twice. Spins so hard it puts wrinkles in some clothes. Hope it never goes out of balance. Has no lint filter so (a) drain needs flushing out more than ever and (2) more lint is carried over into the dryer which means longer drying cycles.

Previous top loader was 1994 GE, plain old regular water. Had a lint filter, mini basket. Drain pump flowrate was slow enough for our small drain pipes. Lasted about 10 years then the transmission started leaking. Quote of $250 to repair would have been the smart thing to do. Instead now I have an extra large paperweight.

Yes, I leave the top open to air out.

I wouldn't recommend using glacial acetic acid. That's nasty stuff. Vinegar is strong enough for household cleaning. 1:4 bleach/water sounds good - I'll give it a try.

Some asian countries promote this type of low water top loading washer. Makes hardly any noise at all. I like the noisy version myself. US & Canadian made stuff (even if now made elsewhere) is always better made and lasts longer. That's my experience, anyway. OT, but I'm seeing "Made in China" printed on food more and more in the chain grocery stores. "Chinese quality control" means it was shipped without falling apart.

Heard more bad things about front loaders than top loaders. But, in my case, I would gladly swap my top loading dirty-in dirty-out model for a decent front loader.

Begin OT

On my comment about Calif wackies..... They are really not crazy -- they are in most cases cleverly manipulating the system to favor one company over another.

There's a bill in Sacramento to split Calif into 2 states. The new state would be called Jefferson. What's left of the old state would be named Mind-Numbing Stupidity.

That's all folks

On 9/5/2014 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:04:43 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 9/5/2014 11:37 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/5/2014 9:24 AM, RobertMacy wrote:



My recommendation is bleach 1:4 with water, let sit, rinse. But you
mentioned no bleach, but still it works.


Sitting helps, but running it through the cleaning cycle is better, at
least on mine. I have a top loader Maytag During the clean cycle it
runs water through the detergent dispenser, bleach dispenser, softener
dispenser, as well a circulating water around the tub. There are five
channels the water can run to the tub.


Also Maytag top loader. Machine never smells.
We only use liquid detergent on advice of septic clean out guy who said
it leaves less waxy scum in tank.

Why would anyone dump a washing machine in their septic tank? This
house had a separate dry well for the washer when I moved in but when
I relocated it I just started dumping the water on the Banana trees
behind the garage They love it.


Because I don't live in a trailer park.

"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:

"Doug Miller" wrote in
message ...

Plain washing soda by itself will do about as well as the
detergent. What made you think adding vinegar would be
beneficial?

Oh, I don't know -- vinegar works better for cleaning mildew off
windows, etc. Just guessing.

Mixing chemicals by "just guessing", without knowing what the results will be, might not be
the best idea you've had this week.

My junior high school shop teacher was disfigured for life when he "just guessed" that
muriatic acid might be the next thing to try, after lye failed to open a clogged drain in the
wood shop. He's lucky to still have his sight.

On Friday, September 5, 2014 10:37:55 PM UTC-4, Doug Miller wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in

m:



"Doug Miller" wrote in

message ...



Plain washing soda by itself will do about as well as the

detergent. What made you think adding vinegar would be

beneficial?



Oh, I don't know -- vinegar works better for cleaning mildew off

windows, etc. Just guessing.



Mixing chemicals by "just guessing", without knowing what the results will be, might not be

the best idea you've had this week.



My junior high school shop teacher was disfigured for life when he "just guessed" that

muriatic acid might be the next thing to try, after lye failed to open a clogged drain in the

wood shop. He's lucky to still have his sight.

Could be worse. A math teacher at my HS got electrocuted. Something about using a shop vac to drain a pool while standing in it.....

On 9/5/2014 9:58 AM, wrote:
I think Consumer Reports
talks about washing machine detergents

I just bought a Front Loader,
and it's taken some getting used to.
It saves water yes; it spins really fast,
which cuts down on dying time;

but i think i should have gotten a larger drum.
i like to do large loads,
and my sheets didn't clean thoroughly
[still learning how to use it]

marc

Actually, my new top loader replacement for the front loader, also spins
very fast ... maybe not quite as fast as the front loader, but still
very fast. The cloths come out feeling almost dry.

On 9/6/2014 9:00 AM, trader_4 wrote:

My junior high school shop teacher was disfigured
for life when he "just guessed" that
muriatic acid might be the next thing to try, after
lye failed to open a clogged drain in the
wood shop. He's lucky to still have his sight.

Could be worse. A math teacher at my HS got
electrocuted. Something about using a shop vac to
drain a pool while standing in it.....


I thought that was for hair dryers in bath tub?
Did he reversely install?

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:01:07 -0400, Frank
wrote in

Why would anyone dump a washing machine in their septic tank? This
house had a separate dry well for the washer when I moved in but when
I relocated it I just started dumping the water on the Banana trees
behind the garage They love it.


Because I don't live in a trailer park.

+1 on that
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Doug Miller wrote:
"Guv Bob" wrote in
m:

"Doug Miller" wrote in
message ...

Plain washing soda by itself will do about as well as the
detergent. What made you think adding vinegar would be
beneficial?

Oh, I don't know -- vinegar works better for cleaning mildew off
windows, etc. Just guessing.

Mixing chemicals by "just guessing", without knowing what the results
will be, might not be the best idea you've had this week.

And he's complaining about "wackie" Californians!

wrote in :

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:43:52 -0500, VinnyB
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:01:07 -0400, Frank
wrote in

Why would anyone dump a washing machine in their septic tank? This
house had a separate dry well for the washer when I moved in but when
I relocated it I just started dumping the water on the Banana trees
behind the garage They love it.


Because I don't live in a trailer park.

+1 on that

Why is dumping the washer water on the ground such a bad thing?

... and what the **** would that have to do with a trailer park?


Don't feel bad. Someone has to live in a trailer park.

On 9/6/2014 9:00 AM, trader_4 wrote:

My junior high school shop teacher was disfigured for life when he "just guessed" that

muriatic acid might be the next thing to try, after lye failed to open a clogged drain in the

wood shop. He's lucky to still have his sight.

Could be worse. A math teacher at my HS got electrocuted. Something about using a shop vac to drain a pool while standing in it.....


Even worser (or should that be worserer?). Shop teacher at local HS cut
a finger off. When he came back to school he showed some people how he
did it. Yep, cut another one off.

On 9/6/14, 2:09 PM, wrote:
It was just a stupid comment. A trailer park is the least likely place
where you could discharge the washer onto the ground. Trailers are
usually less than 10 feet apart.
I have about an acre of undeveloped ground around me and it is not an
issue at all. In fact, it is water conservation.
Why waste the water?
Why contaminate your septic tank?

There was a septic tank here when my grandparents moved in, in 1925. My
grandfather used it for bathroom water. Kitchen water went to its row of
drain tiles. Laundry water went to another row.

Grease from the kitchen can mess up a drain field. So can lint from a
washer. Putting that stuff elsewhere meant more air for bacteria in the
toilet drain field to work and less to clog it.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 09:02:57 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote:

On 9/5/2014 9:58 AM, wrote:
I think Consumer Reports
talks about washing machine detergents

I just bought a Front Loader,
and it's taken some getting used to.
It saves water yes; it spins really fast,
which cuts down on dying time;

but i think i should have gotten a larger drum.
i like to do large loads,
and my sheets didn't clean thoroughly
[still learning how to use it]

marc

Actually, my new top loader replacement for the front loader, also spins
very fast ... maybe not quite as fast as the front loader, but still
very fast. The cloths come out feeling almost dry.

My top loader, 35 years old, leaves the cotton/polyester feeling almost
dry, and indeed it dries in 5 minutes or less in the dryer. In fact I
have to include a towel or some knitted underwear to keep them from
drying too fast and getting hotter than I want (which for some reason I
think ruins the permanent press permanently. (Maybe the wrinkles are
only temporary but so far I'm not taking chances.)

Otoh towels and knitted shirts and underwear certainly arent' dripping
and I don't know if a faster spinner would get more water out of them.

I often watch the washer discharge hose in the sink to see how much
water is coming out. When it's little enough I turn off the washer. If
it's too much when the washer stops, I might put it back in the spin
section of the cycle again, but that only happens when I've already
fiddled with the times.

You know, you just reminded me. Another poster explained to me how to
solve my sink-backing-up problem, for which I'm still grateful, by
routing the washer drain straight to the drain pipe but 7 feet above the
floor. I've told my 3 neighbors about that, but this is one big reason
I don't want to do it myself, because I like to see what is coming out
of the washer, how dirty the water is, if the spin section has done all
it can.

Julie Bove wrote:

Do you perchance have a front loader? I would never get that kind as I have
heard of the stink issues. I have an LG top loader and I love it! I
haven't really had to clean it but I do run plain water through it every now
and then.

Here in Europe, front-loading washers have been the norm for a very
long time already. The stink issues are real, but can greatly be
remedied, or in most cases even totally avoided, by doing two things:

1) Always keep the washer's door at least a tiny little bit open when
the appliance is not in use.

2) In case you rarely or never use the washer at its maximum
temperature (which is 90°C on European washers and thus rarely
needed), occasionally (say, once a month) run the washer without any
clothes in it at maximum temperature. Use some normal detergent when
doing this - special cleaners for that purpose are available, but
rarely needed.

Greetings,
Nils

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wrote in

Julie Bove wrote:

Do you perchance have a front loader? I would never get that kind as I have
heard of the stink issues. I have an LG top loader and I love it! I
haven't really had to clean it but I do run plain water through it every now
and then.

Here in Europe, front-loading washers have been the norm for a very
long time already. The stink issues are real, but can greatly be
remedied, or in most cases even totally avoided, by doing two things:

They used to be very popular in the U.S. about 60 years ago. I don't
know why the fell out of favor. Now there is a resurgence, probably
because of less water usage.
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On 9/7/2014 7:40 AM, CRNG wrote:


Here in Europe, front-loading washers have been the norm for a very
long time already. The stink issues are real, but can greatly be
remedied, or in most cases even totally avoided, by doing two things:

They used to be very popular in the U.S. about 60 years ago. I don't
know why the fell out of favor. Now there is a resurgence, probably
because of less water usage.


My mother had an old Bendix front loader. I don't recall all the
details, but it used to walk across the floor from vibration. Not sure
how well it cleaned the clothes. It replaced an old Maytag wringer
washer. That was back about 1950.

On 09/07/14 08:51 am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Here in Europe, front-loading washers have been the norm for a very
long time already. The stink issues are real, but can greatly be
remedied, or in most cases even totally avoided, by doing two things:

They used to be very popular in the U.S. about 60 years ago. I don't
know why the fell out of favor. Now there is a resurgence, probably
because of less water usage.

My mother had an old Bendix front loader. I don't recall all the
details, but it used to walk across the floor from vibration. Not sure
how well it cleaned the clothes. It replaced an old Maytag wringer
washer. That was back about 1950.

Oh yes. Now I remember that neighbors of ours in the UK had a Bendix
front-loader 60+ years ago. I don't think I ever saw it in use, so I
have no idea whether it went walkabout.

Perce

My mother had an old Bendix front loader. I don't recall all the
details, but it used to walk across the floor from vibration. Not sure
how well it cleaned the clothes. It replaced an old Maytag wringer
washer. That was back about 1950.

I had one that done the same, it cleaned fairly good I thought. It set
on a cement floor in the basement and moved around quite a bit, you had
to be on hand when using it.

On 9/7/14, 7:40 AM, CRNG wrote:

They used to be very popular in the U.S. about 60 years ago. I don't
know why the fell out of favor. Now there is a resurgence, probably
because of less water usage.

We had a front loader about 1950. I think American consumers decided
top loaders were cheaper and more reliable, and by 1960, fewer Americans
had limited water supplies.

On 2014-09-07, J Burns wrote:

We had a front loader about 1950. I think American consumers decided
top loaders were cheaper and more reliable.....

As a person who has used a lotta laundromats w/ front loading washers
over the years, I can assure you the new FL washers are not the same
as the older FL washers.

The new "water saver" FL washers leave a gallon or two of wash/rinse
water in the water reservoir. This is how they save water and it's
also what causes that wretched stink, if not left open to air out.
The old FL washers did not retain any wash water, but emptied it all
like a top-loader (TL). Also, Consumer Reports did a comparison of
washers (FL and TL), earlier this yr. Their final conclusion was, no
current made washing machine washes as well as washers manufactured 10
yrs ago.

I suggest a used GE top loader with the lil' white lint basket perched
on the top of the agitator post. They were built like tanks and
out-cleaned any other washer on the mkt. Problem is, parts are
beginning to disappear and no one is gonna make parts for a 20 yr old
washer/dryer.

nb

On 9/7/2014 12:49 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2014-09-07, J Burns wrote:

We had a front loader about 1950. I think American consumers decided
top loaders were cheaper and more reliable.....

As a person who has used a lotta laundromats w/ front loading washers
over the years, I can assure you the new FL washers are not the same
as the older FL washers.

The new "water saver" FL washers leave a gallon or two of wash/rinse
water in the water reservoir. This is how they save water and it's
also what causes that wretched stink, if not left open to air out.
The old FL washers did not retain any wash water, but emptied it all
like a top-loader (TL). Also, Consumer Reports did a comparison of
washers (FL and TL), earlier this yr. Their final conclusion was, no
current made washing machine washes as well as washers manufactured 10
yrs ago.

I suggest a used GE top loader with the lil' white lint basket perched
on the top of the agitator post. They were built like tanks and
out-cleaned any other washer on the mkt. Problem is, parts are
beginning to disappear and no one is gonna make parts for a 20 yr old
washer/dryer.

nb


Another good similar type top loader was, maybe still is, Whirlpool.
I'll bet the 20 y/o Whirlpool I sold with my house 10 years ago is still
working well.

WTS: My 10 y/o Whirlpool Duet is a good affordable machine. Washes the
clothes and uses much less water. BUT I do have to keep the door seal
wiped down throughly and leave the door open when not in use. I never
have to use a sanitizer. This was not true at first and there was a
short learning curve. Nothing worse than mold in a washer.