I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

TIA

--
"Where there's smoke there's toast!" Anon

"KenK" wrote in message
...

I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked.
I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a
couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

TIA

--
"Where there's smoke there's toast!" Anon

They should die, but it doesn't happen right away

On 4/24/2014 1:05 PM, KenK wrote:
I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

It's mostly 2,4-D w/ a little 2,4-5T iirc...depends on what your weeds
really are.

Also, what's the temperature and soil moisture level? Herbicides work
much better if the target is growing actively, not stressed.

Also, of course, depends on the concentration -- was this pre-mixed or
did you mix a concentrate? You can also help a little if the leaves are
slightly moist first or use a surfactant to get better absorption (a
teaspoon or so of dishwashing liquid detergent/quart added to the bottle
works).

--

On 4/24/2014 11:05 AM, KenK wrote:
I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

TIA

I use that, also. Takes 3-4 days for the weed to show distress and a
couple of weeks to totally keel over. Hot supper weather makes it happen
a bit quicker.

Weeds with a long tap root, such as the ones in my yard that pretend to
be clover, are not killed by weed-b-gone.

Paul

On 24 Apr 2014 18:05:57 GMT, KenK wrote:


I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

TIA

Give 'em a few days. Best applied in the heated parts of the day,
ime. More than a week now, I've tried to find a bottle of Roundup
concentrate. For the life of me I cannot find it in the garage.

My neighbor went for a short trip and loaned me his Roundup with an
attached sprayer gadget. Label indicates "Fast Act Technology" -
whatever that means Says dries waterproof in 10 minutes, visible
results in 3 hours. Well, I'll just see about that....

On 4/24/2014 1:21 PM, dpb wrote:
On 4/24/2014 1:05 PM, KenK wrote:
I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds
around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it
worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a
couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

It's mostly 2,4-D w/ a little 2,4-5T iirc...depends on what your weeds
really are.

Also, what's the temperature and soil moisture level? Herbicides work
much better if the target is growing actively, not stressed.
....

Intended to note that 2,4-D works basically by disturbing plant growth
cycle such that it essentially "grows itself to death" -- iow, it
doesn't just turn brown and die, the curly leaves are the symptom it's
working...of course, again depending on the actual weed and the
conditions and all that, occasionally stuff will wilt and then
eventually recover, but most common broadleaf yard stuff will succumb.

--

On 4/24/2014 2:05 PM, KenK wrote:
I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

TIA


I've used WBG, both versions....regular and the one for St. Augustine.
I think it works miracles. In my present lawn, I used it last year,
mainly for dandelions, and there are very few of them this year.

Unless you are down south, it might be too cold yet for weeds to take up
the WBG. Weeds (per package instr.) need to be actively growing and no
rain for a couple of days. It should not be used during hot, dry spells
because it can stress the lawn grass. When I used it on southern lawn
(St. A. grass), I would fertilize about a week before and water a day or
two previously.

If you mixed it, any chance you made it too dilute? I use hose-end
sprayer for appl. If weed have real waxy leaves, it might be better to
treat them individually with Roundup and a paint brush...tedious, but it
works.

After application all over the first time, all I needed to do was occ.
spot treatment. It takes at least 2 or 3 years (it can take a lot
longer) for already present weed seed to germinate, so you won't have a
permanent weed-free lawn from one appl. Proper watering and mowing
makes a huge difference on weed growth, and cutting too short is
encouraging weeds, especially in hot, dry weather.

On 4/24/2014 1:05 PM, KenK wrote:
I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

When applying a broadleaf weedkiller, for best results:

1. Don't apply immediately after the lawn has been mowed, wait a few
days. The more leaf area on the weeds, the more weedkiller they will
absorb. For the same reason, wait a few days after spraying before
mowing.

2. The lawn should be moist/recently watered, so the weeds are
actively growing. If the soil is very dry, the weeds are barely
growing, and thus won't absorb much weedkiller.

3. Temps should be between mid-60s F. and low 80s F. The colder it is,
the slower the plants are growing, and the slower they will absorb the
weedkiller. Too slow, it'll either do nothing, or it will stunt the
weed but not kill it. The hotter it is, the more likely the weedkiller
will also injure the grass.

4. Don't apply too strong or too weak of a mixture. Too strong, it'll
injure the lawn. Too weak, it'll stunt the weeds' growth for awhile,
but not kill them. Read the label to find the recommended rate.

5. Ideally, no rain for 24-48 hours after applying the weedkiller. You
don't want it washed off before the weeds absorb it.

6. For stubborn weeds such as creeping charlie, a second application
7-10 days after the initial application will improve the rate of kill.

Finally, the best time of the year in much of the US to apply
broadleaf weedkillers is late summer/early autumn. The ground is at
its warmest, so the weeds are actively growing. It's usually not as
unpredictably rainy as it is in the spring, so it's easier to find an
optimum weather window to apply it. Also, seeds from the spring
dandelion crop have already germinated and formed small plants that
will winter over and bloom the following spring. Spray in later
summer/early fall, and there will be far fewer perennial weeds to deal
with the following spring.

On 4/24/2014 2:49 PM, Norminn wrote:

If weed have real waxy leaves, it might be better
to treat them individually with Roundup and a paint brush...tedious,
but it works.

I mix a solution of Roundup in a disposable container, then I pull on
a rubber glove, and cover it with a cheap cotton glove. I then dip the
gloved hand into the Roundup solution and just grasp/stroke the weeds
I want to treat. It goes very fast, and it's a very precise way to
apply the solution. Of course, if the weeds are very short, this is
hard on your knees and back, but it works especially well when you
want to get weeds located close to desirable plants, such as in a
garden or under shrubbery.

KenK wrote:
I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds
around my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it
worked. I squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy
though a couple have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to
be totally dead in a day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect
them? You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

WeedBGon is designed to kill weeds without killing grasses. Something as
powerfull as you imagine would kill everything. If you're not trying to protect
grasses, Roundup would be more effective and probably safer around kids and
pets.

I tried repeatedly to kill some poision ivy, roundup, and poision ivy killer just made them shrivle, then they would come back stronger than ever.

at the suggestion of someone here mix roundup 50 / 50 with poision ivy killer....

this combo kills weeds and poisdion ivy fast, although doing so is illegal....

bob haller wrote:
I tried repeatedly to kill some poision ivy, roundup, and poision ivy
killer just made them shrivle, then they would come back stronger
than ever.

at the suggestion of someone here mix roundup 50 / 50 with poision
ivy killer....

this combo kills weeds and poisdion ivy fast, although doing so is
illegal....

I had a conversation with a rancher in Idaho once, who told me that adding a
little bleach to roundup makes it work much better.

On 4/24/14 2:49 PM, Norminn wrote:

After application all over the first time, all I needed to do was occ.
spot treatment. It takes at least 2 or 3 years (it can take a lot
longer) for already present weed seed to germinate, so you won't have a
permanent weed-free lawn from one appl. Proper watering and mowing
makes a huge difference on weed growth, and cutting too short is
encouraging weeds, especially in hot, dry weather.

Penn State U. says pig weed seed can remain viable up to 40 years.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:44:49 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

Penn State U. says pig weed seed can remain viable up to 40 years.

That sounds just awful. Can you burn it out?

On 4/24/2014 4:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
bob haller wrote:
I tried repeatedly to kill some poision ivy, roundup, and poision ivy
killer just made them shrivle, then they would come back stronger
than ever.

at the suggestion of someone here mix roundup 50 / 50 with poision
ivy killer....

this combo kills weeds and poisdion ivy fast, although doing so is
illegal....

I had a conversation with a rancher in Idaho once, who told me that adding a
little bleach to roundup makes it work much better.



pulling them seems to work wonders for me. duh

On 4/24/2014 4:51 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:44:49 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

Penn State U. says pig weed seed can remain viable up to 40 years.

That sounds just awful. Can you burn it out?

They _can_ but would be highly unlikely in lawn to be dormant anything
at all like that long.

_Most_ seeds if dry and not heated too hot will survive quite long
periods of time so that's not terribly uncommon.

But in a lawn there's almost certainly going to be enough water that
they'll germinate with a few years at the outside.

--

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:16:23 -0500, gonjah wrote:

I had a conversation with a rancher in Idaho once, who told me that adding a
little bleach to roundup makes it work much better.



pulling them seems to work wonders for me. duh

I just knew common sense would prevail.

Don't break the root while pulling - you know ...

On 4/24/14 4:51 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:44:49 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

Penn State U. says pig weed seed can remain viable up to 40 years.

That sounds just awful. Can you burn it out?

I don't know. It seems unlikely. Farmers around here were burning
fields for awhile trying to get rid of shattercane. I don't remember if
it really helped all that much. Fortunately, GMO came along so crops
could be sprayed to kill it off. So now some farmers are back to
planting grain sorghum.

On 24 Apr 2014 18:05:57 GMT, KenK wrote:


I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

Be careful when reading the warnings. Reading in dim light may be
harmful to your eyes.

I used that product, with crabgrass killer, a couple years ago and was
quite happy with the results. It takes longer than they say.
Spectracide had made me happy too, years earlier. I liked Ortho
because the sprayer pointed down, but with spectracide and the most
natural way to hold it, it pointed horizontal, and when the kinks in the
hose took control of the hose, I killed part of the branch of my tulip
tree**** and maybe some other stuff ****(Yes a tulip poplar, but in
Indiana where it's the state tree, and we had 4**, it's just called a
tulip tree.)

I was late this year because it's been cold, and I used the second half
of the bottle yesterday, hoping it would kill dandelions that had
already bloomed. They didn't look different 24 hours later. I'll
look tomorrow.

Planned to spray on more today, went to the store and the sold Ortho
weed-b-gon in 3 forms. The 24 oz. garden house bottle (which is what I
used) , the stuff you mix yourself and use your own spayer (called
Concentrate), and a gallon plastic bottle with a hand squeeze sprayer.

What caught my eye is that the garden hose liquid was not called
concentrate, and was the same price as the gallon bottle (about 11
dollars) but only had 32 oz. 1/4 of a gallon. So I called their 800
number (Open to 8AM to 10PM ET M-F, to 6 (or 5?) Sat and Sun) and
twice the girl told me that the garden hose bottle is not concentrated,
it's the same as the gallon stuff. Which means not counting the value
of the spray container, it's 4 times the price.

800-225-2883

You've used part of what you bought already, but you might save the
empty bottle, take out the two screws and see if the top unscrews, then
buy a gallon next year. I wish I'd saved my empty bottle but I do
have another brand's empty and I think I'll use that, but tomorrow rain
is expected. It will have to be the weekend.

I have to reread the labels. IIRC both this and Spectracide** say they
kill creeping charlie I have a lot of that, and it annoys me. **But
at least one product did NOT list creeping charlie.

TIA

**I wasn't going to tell this story but when we moved into the house in
Indianapolis, one tulip tree was only 4 feet tall, and only the trunk,
broken off at an angle from the top (4 feet) to 2 or 3 feet high. (The
other 3 trees were 10 or 20 feet tall.)

The broken one stayed that way for 4 or 5 years, not a sign of life
except that it didn't rot, and then started growing again, quite fast.

On 24 Apr 2014 18:05:57 GMT, KenK wrote:


What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

I just followed the instructions, although I guess I did give extra
sparying to big ugly weeds. . It's hard to judge or to calculate how
big my yard is (It's 5-sided) but somewhere along the line I figured
2500 feet, a half bottle, and I sprayed moderately so I did the yard in
a half bottle. Maybe that's what I liked about Ortho, that you can
tell how much you've used.

Some of the big ugly weeds were wilting today, 24 hours after spraying.
A competitor claims it will be dying in 6 hours, but they probably spray
it on watercress or something delicate. Anyhow, I'm not in that much
of a hurry.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:49:10 -0400, Norminn
wrote:

On 4/24/2014 2:05 PM, KenK wrote:
I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked. I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

TIA


I've used WBG, both versions....regular and the one for St. Augustine.
I think it works miracles. In my present lawn, I used it last year,
mainly for dandelions, and there are very few of them this year.

Unless you are down south, it might be too cold yet for weeds to take up
the WBG.

For the powders or solid products, there's a mnemoic, EMIL.

Easter, bag I
Memorial day, bag II
Independance day, bag III
Labor day bag IV.

But bag 1 stuff just lies there until it's warm enough to work
And the schedule couldn't be correct for all latitudes.

The cherry trees reached their height iin DC two weeks ago last Tuesday,
and mind just started blooming two days ago (Tuesday) Only 45 miles
north, and a couple hundred feet more elevation.

Weeds (per package instr.) need to be actively growing and no
rain for a couple of days. It should not be used during hot, dry spells
because it can stress the lawn grass. When I used it on southern lawn
(St. A. grass), I would fertilize about a week before and water a day or
two previously.

If you mixed it, any chance you made it too dilute? I use hose-end
sprayer for appl. If weed have real waxy leaves, it might be better to
treat them individually with Roundup and a paint brush...tedious, but it
works.

For newbies, that's becaue Round-up kills or at least might kill
anything it touches. Or anything that grows in the dirt it touches, I
think.

After application all over the first time, all I needed to do was occ.
spot treatment. It takes at least 2 or 3 years (it can take a lot
longer) for already present weed seed to germinate, so you won't have a
permanent weed-free lawn from one appl. Proper watering and mowing
makes a huge difference on weed growth, and cutting too short is
encouraging weeds, especially in hot, dry weather.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 20:58:06 -0400, micky
wrote:


I was late this year because it's been cold, and I used the second half
of the bottle yesterday, hoping it would kill dandelions that had
already bloomed. They didn't look different 24 hours later. I'll
look tomorrow.

Planned to spray on more today,

I forgot why I was going to spray twice in two days.

It rained last night, not sure how much, but i'm sure some of my
spraying got washed off.

Oren wrote:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:44:49 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

Penn State U. says pig weed seed can remain viable up to 40 years.

That sounds just awful. Can you burn it out?

Pig weed is amaranth, isn't it? Just eat it.

"MLD" wrote in message ...

"KenK" wrote in message
...

I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control some weeds
around
my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to see how it worked.
I
squirted them a few days ago. They still seem to be healthy though a
couple
have a few shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead in a
day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer to affect them?
You have to really soak them?

There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

TIA

--
"Where there's smoke there's toast!" Anon

They should die, but it doesn't happen right away

It does take several days. But I don't know what variety was used. If
something like Spot Shot, it isn't very effective. Yes, it will kill the
weeds that you see but in the meantime they may have reseeded. Spot killing
like this gives you no better results than if you were to dig up and dispose
of every weed that you see.

I know. I tried both of these methods when I lived in military housing. We
had a huge yard with woods alongside and the crappiest grass you've ever
seen. This was on Cape Cod so the types of grass grown there are not what I
was familiar with coming from Washington state. Whatever the grass was
nearest the house, would grow three feet high in a week! Normally I would
use Weed and Feed but I was afraid if I did that, I'd have huge bare spots.

Keep in mind that I didn't own this yard nor did I intend to stay there as
it was military housing. So I felt less need to keep it up like I would
with a rental or a house that I own.

I own this house. The yard is pretty small and I have a gardener. He uses
weed and feed and I never have any weeds whatever. I always worry because
the guy next door just hacks his weed/yard down at best, 2/3 times a year.
Nobody lives in that house. They are doing a remodel but it has been going
on for years with little being accomplished. We still never get weeds in
the lawn but we will get a few in the flower beds.

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:44:49 -0500, Dean Hoffman
" wrote:

Penn State U. says pig weed seed can remain viable up to 40 years.

That sounds just awful. Can you burn it out?

They used to burn the weeds out where I used to work. Granted, this was
along a cement wall and not in a yard. If in a yard there is a chance that
the whole yard might be affected. Then again, when I had a very small weed
patch instead of a yard at an apartment I was renting, I killed off
everything, waited a while, put in new topsoil and reseeded.

"micky" wrote in message
...
For newbies, that's becaue Round-up kills or at least might kill
anything it touches. Or anything that grows in the dirt it touches, I
think.

Yes it does! I used to manage a garden shop and a couple of my idiot
employees thought it would be funny to spray some of the plants we sold with
the stuff. I didn't know that they did this. Customers began coming in for
refunds right and left because the plants they bought were dying. I then
heard these two buffoons laughing about this over in the corner. I was not
happy! I was also not happy when I discovered that my husband had put it in
all of our flower beds. Daughter and I had just spent a few hundred dollars
planting flowers out there. I have given up on real flowers with him
around. Although we have a gardener now, any time he sees something
threatening to flower, he has the gardener remove it. So... I have to make
due with silk flowers now. Oddly enough he seems fine with those.

"KenK" wrote in message

I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control
some weeds around my property.

First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to
see how it worked. I squirted them a few days ago. They
still seem to be healthy though a couple have a few
shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead
in a day or so.

What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer
to affect them? You have to really soak them?



You aren't doing anything wrong, your expectations are just too high.

First, the leaves shrivel, then the stem. In a month or so it will be gone.



--

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On Friday, April 25, 2014 6:29:16 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
"KenK" wrote in message



I picked up a container of Ortho 'Weed B Gon' to control

some weeds around my property.



First I tried it out on a few isolated smaller ones to

see how it worked. I squirted them a few days ago. They

still seem to be healthy though a couple have a few

shriveled leaves. I had expected them to be totally dead

in a day or so.



What am I doing wrong? Any guesses? Maybe it takes longer

to affect them? You have to really soak them?







You aren't doing anything wrong, your expectations are just too high.



First, the leaves shrivel, then the stem. In a month or so it will be gone.





And as others have said, temperature plays a big role. If it's 70s
and the weeds are actively growing, it's going to kill them faster
and more effectively than if it's 40F. Even in the best of times
you're not going to see them totally dead in just a few days.

On 4/24/2014 5:20 PM, bob haller wrote:
I tried repeatedly to kill some poision ivy, roundup, and poision ivy killer just made them shrivle, then they would come back stronger than ever.

at the suggestion of someone here mix roundup 50 / 50 with poision ivy killer....

this combo kills weeds and poisdion ivy fast, although doing so is illegal....


I had a lot of asparagus fern growing in hedges when I lived in Florida;
IMO, the stuff should be banned, along with loosestrife. I could not
possibly dig the stuff out, as it has masses of tubers. I cut it down
as much as I could, waited til it had a couple of inches of new growth,
then sprayed it with Roundup. I repeated that once and it was gone! It
is nasty stuff, as it bears berries that birds like to spread around.
Boston Ivy is another nasty when it gets loose; my mom put some in her
yard and it killed a good sized oak tree.

On 4/24/2014 5:35 PM, Bob F wrote:
bob haller wrote:
I tried repeatedly to kill some poision ivy, roundup, and poision ivy
killer just made them shrivle, then they would come back stronger
than ever.

at the suggestion of someone here mix roundup 50 / 50 with poision
ivy killer....

this combo kills weeds and poisdion ivy fast, although doing so is
illegal....

I had a conversation with a rancher in Idaho once, who told me that adding a
little bleach to roundup makes it work much better.



I wouldn't mess with that! I've seen instructions for some broadleaf
herbicide (don't recall which) that offered using detergent in small
amounts to get through the waxy leaves. Haven't needed to try that. In
a northern lawn, I'd sure try to get stuff like dandelion and plantain
early in year to avoid another crop of seed. My yard has a lot of
henbit and chickweed, which comes from the neighbor's yard; it likes
recently disturbed soil, so it is very happy in my new shrub/flower beds
until I finish planting and mulching.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:16:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
.. .
For newbies, that's becaue Round-up kills or at least might kill
anything it touches. Or anything that grows in the dirt it touches, I
think.

Yes it does! I used to manage a garden shop and a couple of my idiot
employees thought it would be funny to spray some of the plants we sold with
the stuff. I didn't know that they did this. Customers began coming in for
refunds right and left because the plants they bought were dying. I then
heard these two buffoons laughing about this over in the corner.

Were they still in high school, I hope?

I was not
happy! I was also not happy when I discovered that my husband had put it in
all of our flower beds.

Was he still in high school?

Daughter and I had just spent a few hundred dollars
planting flowers out there. I have given up on real flowers with him
around. Although we have a gardener now, any time he sees something
threatening to flower, he has the gardener remove it.

He really dones't like flowers!

So... I have to make
due with silk flowers now. Oddly enough he seems fine with those.

I just got off the phone with a friend. When he and his family moved
to a new old house, he went around cleaning things up. On top of the
hall closet (which didnt' reach the semi-cathedral ceiling) he found a
box or two with wires, so he cut them out. It turns out the box was
the receiver for the remote control so someone coming home at niight
could turn on 2 floodlights at each of the four corners of the house, 8
big floodlights. After he cut the thing out, of course that didn't
work anymore.

It was hand-designed and assembled, and spread over the wall in his
basement, the latching relay and another relay and the wires to the top
of the closet (and a manual switch to turn the lights on), and it took
me an hour to figure out how it all worked. I bought a receiver for
about 4 dollars that seemed to burn out right away, and the online
vendor sent me another one, that also seemed to work for a second and
then burn out. They had no specs but I still thought they would work
with the small current to the relay coil. But after that I found a
transmitter and receiver at Sears, for Sears and other garage door
openers. I installed that, and tested it from 20 feet past the far
curb, and it worked fine. But for some reason they're not using it. I
asked him and he just mumbled. His wife is 67 and walks slowly for
overweight or some medical reason, and she's probably not going to slim
down.

So I don't know why it doesn't work now, but it doesn 't.

dpb wrote in :

Also, what's the temperature and soil moisture level? Herbicides work
much better if the target is growing actively, not stressed.

In the 90s. Soil very dry.

Also, of course, depends on the concentration -- was this pre-mixed or
did you mix a concentrate?

Pre-mixed.

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Norminn wrote in
m:

Unless you are down south,

Yes. Far SW AZ.

If you mixed it, any chance you made it too dilute?

Pre-mixed.


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micky wrote in
:

Be careful when reading the warnings. Reading in dim light may be
harmful to your eyes.


You're not kidding. In very small black print on a dark green background.


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"dadiOH" wrote in :

You aren't doing anything wrong, your expectations are just too high.

First, the leaves shrivel, then the stem. In a month or so it will be
gone.


Thanks. Live and learn.


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On Friday, April 25, 2014 1:24:36 PM UTC-4, KenK wrote:
dpb wrote in :



Also, what's the temperature and soil moisture level? Herbicides work

much better if the target is growing actively, not stressed.



In the 90s. Soil very dry.



Also, of course, depends on the concentration -- was this pre-mixed or

did you mix a concentrate?



Pre-mixed.



Pre-mixed weed killer is worse than buying pre-mixed antifreeze. At
least with pre-mixed antifreeze, you're only paying 2X. With weedkillers,
it could be 10X+. Generally, the more concentrated, it is the less
expensive it is per gallon applied. If you need anymore than a very
minimal amount, buying a tank sprayer and the concentrated form is the
way to go.

On 25 Apr 2014 17:31:21 GMT, KenK wrote:

micky wrote in
:

Be careful when reading the warnings. Reading in dim light may be
harmful to your eyes.


You're not kidding. In very small black print on a dark green background.

Yeah, I wonder who chooses the colors. I bought a digital meter from
Amazon with, for a couple settings, dark green writing on a black
background, and even though I turned on a bright light and saw what they
are, under normal conditions, I can't see enough to remind me.

Do you think the light is different in China?

"trader_4" wrote in message


Pre-mixed weed killer is worse than buying pre-mixed
antifreeze. At least with pre-mixed antifreeze, you're
only paying 2X. With weedkillers, it could be 10X+.
Generally, the more concentrated, it is the less
expensive it is per gallon applied. If you need anymore
than a very minimal amount, buying a tank sprayer and the
concentrated form is the way to go.

Agreed. And if you buy concentrate, don't buy it at HD, Lowes, et al...buy
it at an agricultural chemical supply place. For example, the last
RoundUp/Rodeo I bought was a 2.5 gallon jug of concentrate, enough to make
200-300 gallons. Cost was $45. If that is more than you need, sell it to
your neighbors (at a profit, of course).

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 20:58:06 -0400, micky
wrote:


There is little info on the bottle and that is mostly warnings.

Be careful when reading the warnings. Reading in dim light may be
harmful to your eyes.

BTW, the joke was that he complained about all the warnings, so I warned
him about the warnings.


I was late this year because it's been cold, and I used the second half
of the Ortho weed-b-gon bottle yesterday, hoping it would kill dandelions that had
already bloomed. They didn't look different 24 hours later. I'll
look tomorrow.

Tomorrow became today and I looked.

Almost half of the dandelions are drooping, and the others may be
drooping by tomorrow. At first I thought new ones had opened since
yesterday, and maybe they have, but I also saw those about to open that
were drooping badly. So even the new ones are likely to die, I think.

I guess I've never used weed poison whilie the dandelions were
flowering, because I thought they were invincible. But they're not.

Some rain today and tomorrow. I will spray on Sunday.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:56:05 -0400, Norminn
wrote:

Boston Ivy is another nasty when it gets loose; my mom put some in her
yard and it killed a good sized oak tree.

Vines really kill trees? How do they do that? They can't squeeze
them to death, can they? Like a boa constrictor?