"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

On 3/26/2012 6:35 AM, HeyBub wrote:
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/

But if it saves one child's life...

We could virtually eliminate child deaths due to car accidents
by restricting cars to areas outside the city limits.

If you needed to have your car in the city, you'd have to disconnect
the battery to eliminate distraction and push it to your destination.
A small price to pay to eliminate child deaths.


On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

While you're in there, bring me a beer...please?
I gotta hit the road.

On Mar 26, 6:35*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...iver-distracti...

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

I'd think there should be solutions not so draconian.

Circuit that disables it if vehicle in motion? After all, if you
want to find a place, you
don't need to do it while driving.

Audio only while vehicle in motion? That would still let you follow
direction.\\

Harry K

HeyBub wrote:
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.


Hi,
Up here we have anti-distraction law while driving. You don't mess with
GPS, Cell phone, reading map, doing make up, drinking coffee,etc. will
cause a ticket and 175.00 fine first time. Also you can't smoke in a car
when kids are on board. For that it is 1000.00 ticket.

On Mar 26, 9:35*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...iver-distracti...

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

Hmm. I was thinking about purchasing a new GPS to replace my ~ 5 year
old unit, simply because it's cool. Now I'm going to be watching this
issue more closely so that if this looks like it's really going to
happen I can purchase a useful GPS unit before they are no longer
available.

I'd like to think that this is an April Fool's joke a few days early,
but then again, we are talking about the Agency of Joan Claybrook...

nate

On 3/26/2012 10:36 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:


HeyBub wrote:
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency
published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/


But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.


Hi,
Up here we have anti-distraction law while driving. You don't mess with
GPS, Cell phone, reading map, doing make up, drinking coffee,etc. will
cause a ticket and 175.00 fine first time. Also you can't smoke in a car
when kids are on board. For that it is 1000.00 ticket.

i would go for all that. totally unenforceable, but i'd go for it.
where is "up here" ?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

I just bought a high end TomTom yesterday at a yard sale for $15, almost
like new.

I understand the argument the way some of these screens are set up. Mine is
just to the left of my rear view mirror on the windshield of my truck. It
helps me get into the correct lane. It tells me the name of the street
coming up so I don't have to look through a maze of light poles, people,
cars, and overgrown shrubbery, and I just love it.

For me, it actually helps make this old fart of a driver a better old fart
of a driver. Now, if the screen was down on the console, or dash, I would
think that is a bad idea. But for me, it takes a second or two to get a lot
of information from the rear view mirror and Tom Tom. Now Wifey will have
one on her side of the mirror, as she is always trying to horn in on mine,
and she panics when it says "TURN RIGHT AHEAD", but it is two miles before
I'm supposed to turn. Anyway, we will put 50-100 miles on the truck in a
weekend going from property to property, and these help US immensely.

As with anything, I can see how it would be a problem for others.

BTW, Clark County, NV's new anti hand held phone law is in effect now, with
a $250 fine. I still see people yakking on them, a motorcycle police
officer being one of them. And I understand in California, you cannot have
any GPS device on your windshield. I guess I have to use the weighted
sandbag thing that goes on the dash, but really, that's more dangerous to
look down at then the other one that's up there where I'm looking anyway.

Guess Congress was having a slow day.

Steve

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...


HeyBub wrote:
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published
a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.


Hi,
Up here we have anti-distraction law while driving. You don't mess with
GPS, Cell phone, reading map, doing make up, drinking coffee,etc. will
cause a ticket and 175.00 fine first time. Also you can't smoke in a car
when kids are on board. For that it is 1000.00 ticket.

It's called failure to pay full time and attention to driving, and it's
already on the books. They just need to enforce it, and don't know why they
didn't when the cells first came out.

Steve

Steve B wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency
published a dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to
minimize the distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried
among equations for determining optimal display viewing angles and
testing procedures is the recommendation that navigation devices
should only show static or near-static images, which would
essentially eliminate their usefulness. "
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

I just bought a high end TomTom yesterday at a yard sale for $15,
almost like new.

I understand the argument the way some of these screens are set up. Mine
is just to the left of my rear view mirror on the windshield of
my truck. It helps me get into the correct lane. It tells me the
name of the street coming up so I don't have to look through a maze
of light poles, people, cars, and overgrown shrubbery, and I just
love it.
For me, it actually helps make this old fart of a driver a better old
fart of a driver. Now, if the screen was down on the console, or
dash, I would think that is a bad idea. But for me, it takes a
second or two to get a lot of information from the rear view mirror
and Tom Tom. Now Wifey will have one on her side of the mirror, as
she is always trying to horn in on mine, and she panics when it says
"TURN RIGHT AHEAD", but it is two miles before I'm supposed to turn.
Anyway, we will put 50-100 miles on the truck in a weekend going from
property to property, and these help US immensely.
As with anything, I can see how it would be a problem for others.

BTW, Clark County, NV's new anti hand held phone law is in effect
now, with a $250 fine. I still see people yakking on them, a
motorcycle police officer being one of them. And I understand in
California, you cannot have any GPS device on your windshield. I
guess I have to use the weighted sandbag thing that goes on the dash,
but really, that's more dangerous to look down at then the other one
that's up there where I'm looking anyway.

Wouldn't a "Heads Up" display be handy?

On 3/26/2012 10:46 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Steve B wrote:
wrote in message
m...
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency
published a dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to
minimize the distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried
among equations for determining optimal display viewing angles and
testing procedures is the recommendation that navigation devices
should only show static or near-static images, which would
essentially eliminate their usefulness. "
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

I just bought a high end TomTom yesterday at a yard sale for $15,
almost like new.

I understand the argument the way some of these screens are set up. Mine
is just to the left of my rear view mirror on the windshield of
my truck. It helps me get into the correct lane. It tells me the
name of the street coming up so I don't have to look through a maze
of light poles, people, cars, and overgrown shrubbery, and I just
love it.
For me, it actually helps make this old fart of a driver a better old
fart of a driver. Now, if the screen was down on the console, or
dash, I would think that is a bad idea. But for me, it takes a
second or two to get a lot of information from the rear view mirror
and Tom Tom. Now Wifey will have one on her side of the mirror, as
she is always trying to horn in on mine, and she panics when it says
"TURN RIGHT AHEAD", but it is two miles before I'm supposed to turn.
Anyway, we will put 50-100 miles on the truck in a weekend going from
property to property, and these help US immensely.
As with anything, I can see how it would be a problem for others.

BTW, Clark County, NV's new anti hand held phone law is in effect
now, with a $250 fine. I still see people yakking on them, a
motorcycle police officer being one of them. And I understand in
California, you cannot have any GPS device on your windshield. I
guess I have to use the weighted sandbag thing that goes on the dash,
but really, that's more dangerous to look down at then the other one
that's up there where I'm looking anyway.

Wouldn't a "Heads Up" display be handy?



your car doesn't have one already? they're pretty common in vettes in
the last 4-5 years. i imagine that other cars have them too.

On Mar 26, 9:35*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
"...should only show static or near-static images..."

Come on people. the author of this article even provided a link to the
proposal he has so badly misinterpreted...

https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...ic-devices#p-3

Principle 4.1: Visual information ***NOT RELATED TO DRIVING***
{emphasis added) that is likely to distract the driver significantly
(e.g., video and continuously moving images and automatically
scrolling text) should be disabled while the vehicle is in motion or
should be only presented in such a way that the driver cannot see it
while the vehicle is in motion.

It mentions the concept in several other places, each time making it
clear that this DOES NOT apply to navigational aids. It's about things
like TV's and DVD players and ads or news feeds on your GPS for
instance, but not a moving map (I'm sure someone will try to make that
argument, but that's clearly not the intent.)

..

Hi,
Up here we have anti-distraction law while driving. You don't mess with
GPS, Cell phone, reading map, doing make up, drinking coffee,etc. will
cause a ticket and 175.00 fine first time. Also you can't smoke in a car
when kids are on board. For that it is 1000.00 ticket.

so where are you from?

the news today said they are looking at a law to prohibit women from
wearing heels while driving.

i heard a accident years ago the driver blamed their heels

there should be a law against smoking anywhere around a kid including
your own home.

its pure child abuse and should be treated that way

On Mar 26, 12:04*pm, N8N wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:35*am, "HeyBub" wrote:

"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...iver-distracti...

But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

Hmm. *I was thinking about purchasing a new GPS to replace my ~ 5 year
old unit, simply because it's cool. *Now I'm going to be watching this
issue more closely so that if this looks like it's really going to
happen I can purchase a useful GPS unit before they are no longer
available.

I'd like to think that this is an April Fool's joke a few days early,
but then again, we are talking about the Agency of Joan Claybrook...

nate

Buying a "useful GPS" might work for a while, but who knows what will
happen when you try to update the maps.

It may be that the map update will not install/work unless the
firmware is also updated, bringing the "usefulness" of the GPS down to
the current legal level.

"Steve B" wrote:

snip
I just bought a high end TomTom yesterday at a yard sale for $15, almost
like new.

I understand the argument the way some of these screens are set up. Mine is
just to the left of my rear view mirror on the windshield of my truck. It
helps me get into the correct lane. It tells me the name of the street
coming up so I don't have to look through a maze of light poles, people,
cars, and overgrown shrubbery, and I just love it.

For me, it actually helps make this old fart of a driver a better old fart
of a driver. Now, if the screen was down on the console, or dash, I would
think that is a bad idea. But for me, it takes a second or two to get a lot
of information from the rear view mirror and Tom Tom. Now Wifey will have
one on her side of the mirror, as she is always trying to horn in on mine,
and she panics when it says "TURN RIGHT AHEAD", but it is two miles before
I'm supposed to turn. Anyway, we will put 50-100 miles on the truck in a
weekend going from property to property, and these help US immensely.

As with anything, I can see how it would be a problem for others.

BTW, Clark County, NV's new anti hand held phone law is in effect now, with
a $250 fine. I still see people yakking on them, a motorcycle police
officer being one of them. And I understand in California, you cannot have
any GPS device on your windshield. I guess I have to use the weighted
sandbag thing that goes on the dash, but really, that's more dangerous to
look down at then the other one that's up there where I'm looking anyway.

Guess Congress was having a slow day.

Steve

I use one of those weighted bags for my GPS and I really like it. It
also makes it easy to place out of sight when the car is parked.
--
Jim Rusling
More or Less Retired
Mustang, OK
www.rusling.org

On 3/26/2012 1:27 PM, chaniarts wrote:
On 3/26/2012 10:46 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Steve B wrote:
wrote in message
m...
"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency
published a dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to
minimize the distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried
among equations for determining optimal display viewing angles and
testing procedures is the recommendation that navigation devices
should only show static or near-static images, which would
essentially eliminate their usefulness. "
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...tion-unusable/


But if it saves one child's life...

On the other hand, I can still use my GPS to get to the fridge.

I just bought a high end TomTom yesterday at a yard sale for $15,
almost like new.

I understand the argument the way some of these screens are set up. Mine
is just to the left of my rear view mirror on the windshield of
my truck. It helps me get into the correct lane. It tells me the
name of the street coming up so I don't have to look through a maze
of light poles, people, cars, and overgrown shrubbery, and I just
love it.
For me, it actually helps make this old fart of a driver a better old
fart of a driver. Now, if the screen was down on the console, or
dash, I would think that is a bad idea. But for me, it takes a
second or two to get a lot of information from the rear view mirror
and Tom Tom. Now Wifey will have one on her side of the mirror, as
she is always trying to horn in on mine, and she panics when it says
"TURN RIGHT AHEAD", but it is two miles before I'm supposed to turn.
Anyway, we will put 50-100 miles on the truck in a weekend going from
property to property, and these help US immensely.
As with anything, I can see how it would be a problem for others.

BTW, Clark County, NV's new anti hand held phone law is in effect
now, with a $250 fine. I still see people yakking on them, a
motorcycle police officer being one of them. And I understand in
California, you cannot have any GPS device on your windshield. I
guess I have to use the weighted sandbag thing that goes on the dash,
but really, that's more dangerous to look down at then the other one
that's up there where I'm looking anyway.

Wouldn't a "Heads Up" display be handy?



your car doesn't have one already? they're pretty common in vettes in
the last 4-5 years. i imagine that other cars have them too.

For some unknown reason (and I would really like to know why) the only
vehicles that I have ever seen that in is Corvettes and Pontiacs which
of course are no longer made. I had that feature (not GPS, just speed,
etc.) in a Corvette and a Pontiac Grand Prix and they work great!

Don

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:35:52 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "


I owned a GPS for a while. I paid some pretty big bucks to buy the
piece of ****. I think I got $5 when I sold it at our rummage sale, but
I was glad to be rid of the annoying thing. I've been driving since the
late 60's and always used a map with few problems, other than in
constructions zones. Sure I'd get confused and lost sometimes, but who
hasn't. I thought that GPS would save me those 3 or 4 hours per year
that I get lost when traveling, and save me $35 a year on wasted gas,
thus it would pay itself off after about 4 or 5 years. Boy was I wrong.
That f#%^i&* piece of crap was so far off that it was virtually useless.
Yea, in a larger city it was helpful, but try to use it in a rural area,
and it became worse than useless.

The POS lead me 70 miles the wrong way one of the first times I used it.
I was going to a friends wedding in a small rural town. I missed the
whole wedding, wasted over 3 hours and $25 worth of gas due to that GPS.
That POS took me down the most back roads, where some of them didn't
even have gravel on them, and insisted that I take those horrible routes
regardless what settings I used. On the way to that wedding, it
actually directed me down a cattle path and into someone's cattle
pasture, yet still claiming it was an actual road. I finally got out my
map, and found I had gone 70 miles the wrong way, and I had to turn
around and backtrack the whole way, plus another 30 or so miles to get
to my destination.

Add to that the annoying vocal demands of that GPS, which irritated me
to no end. The day I got in the car and pulled out of my driveway, and
it said "wrong way, turn around when possible", was the day I tossed it
in the rummage sale box. I will never own another of those annoying
things. I got my road atlas and state maps. That's all I need. If I
buy a car with a built in GPS, I'll cut the power wire to the damn
thing.

By the way, to eliminate all car accidents, it's not a matter of
removing car electronics, just remove the engine. That will guarantee
no more crashes, not to mention saving a fortune in gas costs.

wrote in message
...

The POS lead me 70 miles the wrong way one of the first times I used it.

Mine just guided my low-clearance wheelchair van through a huge truck park
(to save about a 100' in normal road travel) with huge, truck-sized speed
bumps arrayed along along the roadway as far as the eye could see.
Fortunately, I stopped and since I generally knew where I was, backed up and
listened to it whine about deviating from the bottom-out alleyway route
until I got to the next junction point.

I would have liked the option to answer the unit's "You're speeding" with a
"STFU for X minutes." What a nag. My first unit took me to the middle of a
cornfield instead of the medical park I was looking for. Their best use
seems to be getting you home when you're lost. They "know" where home is
(and so do you) so even if the maps aren't very detailed for your area, it
will at least keep you pointed towards home. I'd sell mine, too, if it
weren't for that feature.

I've read that all the gains made in taking drunk drivers off the road in
the last 50 years has been quickly undone by the new "driving drunk" -
texting while driving. I see it so often it spooks me. In S. Korea, I
think, out of work people are paid a bounty to catch miscreants like texting
drivers on film.

--
Bobby G.

On 3/27/2012 6:20 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:35:52 -0500,
wrote:

"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency published a
dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to minimize the
distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried among equations for
determining optimal display viewing angles and testing procedures is the
recommendation that navigation devices should only show static or
near-static images, which would essentially eliminate their usefulness. "


I owned a GPS for a while. I paid some pretty big bucks to buy the
piece of ****. I think I got $5 when I sold it at our rummage sale, but
I was glad to be rid of the annoying thing. I've been driving since the
late 60's and always used a map with few problems, other than in
constructions zones. Sure I'd get confused and lost sometimes, but who
hasn't. I thought that GPS would save me those 3 or 4 hours per year
that I get lost when traveling, and save me $35 a year on wasted gas,
thus it would pay itself off after about 4 or 5 years. Boy was I wrong.
That f#%^i&* piece of crap was so far off that it was virtually useless.
Yea, in a larger city it was helpful, but try to use it in a rural area,
and it became worse than useless.

The POS lead me 70 miles the wrong way one of the first times I used it.
I was going to a friends wedding in a small rural town. I missed the
whole wedding, wasted over 3 hours and $25 worth of gas due to that GPS.
That POS took me down the most back roads, where some of them didn't
even have gravel on them, and insisted that I take those horrible routes
regardless what settings I used. On the way to that wedding, it
actually directed me down a cattle path and into someone's cattle
pasture, yet still claiming it was an actual road. I finally got out my
map, and found I had gone 70 miles the wrong way, and I had to turn
around and backtrack the whole way, plus another 30 or so miles to get
to my destination.

Add to that the annoying vocal demands of that GPS, which irritated me
to no end. The day I got in the car and pulled out of my driveway, and
it said "wrong way, turn around when possible", was the day I tossed it
in the rummage sale box. I will never own another of those annoying
things. I got my road atlas and state maps. That's all I need. If I
buy a car with a built in GPS, I'll cut the power wire to the damn
thing.

By the way, to eliminate all car accidents, it's not a matter of
removing car electronics, just remove the engine. That will guarantee
no more crashes, not to mention saving a fortune in gas costs.



Fred Flintstone! Is that you?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PPf3aaZmUw

TDD

Steve B wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote

Wouldn't a "Heads Up" display be handy?

Not familiar with that one.


Originally designed for fighter pilots, a "Heads Up" display projects
necessary information on the cockpit's forward screen.

With essential data within the pilot's line of sight, he need not take his
eyes off the immediate mission. The system displays speed, pitch, roll,
target acquisition, fuel, armament supply, and approximately how much longer
the pilot has to wait for permission from Combined Forces Staff - Brussels
(CFS-B) before he can blow this ****er to kingdom come.

wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:35:52 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Last month, the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency
published a dense document with guidelines for automakers on how to
minimize the distractions caused by in-vehicle electronics. Buried
among equations for determining optimal display viewing angles and
testing procedures is the recommendation that navigation devices
should only show static or near-static images, which would
essentially eliminate their usefulness. "


I owned a GPS for a while. I paid some pretty big bucks to buy the
piece of ****. I think I got $5 when I sold it at our rummage sale,
but I was glad to be rid of the annoying thing. I've been driving
since the late 60's and always used a map with few problems, other
than in constructions zones. Sure I'd get confused and lost
sometimes, but who hasn't. I thought that GPS would save me those 3
or 4 hours per year that I get lost when traveling, and save me $35 a
year on wasted gas, thus it would pay itself off after about 4 or 5
years. Boy was I wrong. That f#%^i&* piece of crap was so far off
that it was virtually useless. Yea, in a larger city it was helpful,
but try to use it in a rural area, and it became worse than useless.

Luddite.

You're doomed. In but a few years, GPS devices will be so ubiquitous that
paper maps will no longer be printed. You'll be left with hideously
out-of-date artifacts that encourage you to travel on roads that no longer
exist (think Apian Way).

When that happens, I guess you COULD rely on Google Earth to plot your
path...

For years, I've harvested the maps out of my phone book. Staple them in a
folder, and carry with me. This year, the phone books arrived. I looked for
the maps. They had "mall store maps" but none for streets. I'm going to have
to make last years maps last a long time.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"HeyBub" wrote in message


You're doomed. In but a few years, GPS devices will be so ubiquitous that
paper maps will no longer be printed. You'll be left with hideously
out-of-date artifacts that encourage you to travel on roads that no longer
exist (think Apian Way).

On Mar 27, 10:45*am, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:55:41 -0400, "Robert Green"





wrote:
wrote in message
.. .

The POS lead me 70 miles the wrong way one of the first times I used it.

On 2012-03-26, Tony Hwang wrote:

Up here we have anti-distraction law while driving. You don't mess with
GPS, Cell phone, reading map, doing make up, drinking coffee,etc. will
cause a ticket and 175.00 fine first time. Also you can't smoke in a car
when kids are on board. For that it is 1000.00 ticket.

Usta be like that, here. NO TVs within the driver's view. Slowly,
but surely, the creep began. Digital compasses, GPS, cellphones,
digital audio dashboards, etc. The fact police cars have what amounts
to netbooks and govt services (fire, police, etc) can talk on radio,
only muddied the water. These laws are useless. I once witnessed a
commuter reading a dead-tree book while driving. The book was on the
seat next to the driver!! Bottom line, every time you drive, you risk
dying.

nb

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Just purchased a new GPS unit for about $29,000.

It did come with a Nissan wrapped around it though.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:55:41 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

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The POS lead me 70 miles the wrong way one of the first times I used it.

Mine just guided my low-clearance wheelchair van through a huge truck park
(to save about a 100' in normal road travel) with huge, truck-sized speed
bumps arrayed along along the roadway as far as the eye could see.
Fortunately, I stopped and since I generally knew where I was, backed up and
listened to it whine about deviating from the bottom-out alleyway route
until I got to the next junction point.

I would have liked the option to answer the unit's "You're speeding" with a
"STFU for X minutes." What a nag. My first unit took me to the middle of a
cornfield instead of the medical park I was looking for. Their best use
seems to be getting you home when you're lost. They "know" where home is
(and so do you) so even if the maps aren't very detailed for your area, it
will at least keep you pointed towards home. I'd sell mine, too, if it
weren't for that feature.

I've read that all the gains made in taking drunk drivers off the road in
the last 50 years has been quickly undone by the new "driving drunk" -
texting while driving. I see it so often it spooks me. In S. Korea, I
think, out of work people are paid a bounty to catch miscreants like texting
drivers on film.

Sounds like you have the same type that I had. A Tom-Tom.
Oddly enough, I set mine to my home location. Several months later I
hit the "go home" button and it said something like "no such location".
I tried several times to put my home location back and it could not be
changed. At one point I wanted to change the whole thing back to the
default factory settings and never figured out how. Even letting it
turned on till the battery was totally dead did not work.

Yea, mine took me down a long windy road in a medium sized city. I knew
where I was going, and knew that the highway I wanted to take was right
before entering that city. I did not need the GPS, but it was turned on
just to see how accurate it was (if it was). A half mile before the
city and the road I should turn on, it tells me to turn on this gravel
road. What a ****in nightmare that was. A windy curvy bumpy gravel
road that was so curvy I could not exceed 25mph. When I got home, I
google mapped that road and come to find I saved less than one mile, but
probably wasted 20 minutes at that slow speed v/s just taking the
highway. I'm sure I wasted gas too, since I had to brake every 10
seconds because of the sharp curves.

As far as texting on the highway, I cant imagine doing that. I cant
even bring up my contact list to make a call on my cell. Actually I
dont even make calls on the highway, but one day I was on a gravel
country road where there is never traffic, and just wanted to call
someone to ask if they were home. I slow down to about 20mph, and am
trying to bring up the contact list. I find myself nearly going into
the ditch. I pulled over, made my call, and went back to driving.
Talking on the phone while driving is not that difficult, but the minute
I need to start pushing buttons, it's time to pull over. I got the
basic phone with 12 buttons, not the full keyboard, so it's harder to
text, but I just cant see anyone in their right mind even trying to text
while driving.

They'd be better off staying home and getting drunk while texting

Stormin Mormon wrote:
For years, I've harvested the maps out of my phone book. Staple them
in a folder, and carry with me. This year, the phone books arrived. I
looked for the maps. They had "mall store maps" but none for streets.
I'm going to have to make last years maps last a long time.


Phone book?

How quaint.

On Monday, March 26, 2012 12:04:02 PM UTC-4, N8N wrote:
I'd like to think that this is an April Fool's joke a few days early,
but then again, we are talking about the Agency of Joan Claybrook...

I dunno about that. I was programming my GPS the other day to find out how much longer it would take to get to my destination.

Thought to myself, "How is this different from texting or dialing a cell phone?"

For the life of me I cannot see why two are "distracted driving" and one, isn't.

On Monday, March 26, 2012 1:46:11 PM UTC-4, HeyBub wrote:
Wouldn't a "Heads Up" display be handy?

For the average 'tard driver on the road today, a heads-up display would be too confusing. "Drrrr, I was lookin' at the pretty numbers and didn't see the kid run out in the street half a mile up."

On 3/27/2012 10:00 AM, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 27, 10:45 am, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:55:41 -0400, "Robert Green"





wrote:
wrote in message
...

The POS lead me 70 miles the wrong way one of the first times I used it.

Mine just guided my low-clearance wheelchair van through a huge truck park
(to save about a 100' in normal road travel) with huge, truck-sized speed
bumps arrayed along along the roadway as far as the eye could see.
Fortunately, I stopped and since I generally knew where I was, backed up and
listened to it whine about deviating from the bottom-out alleyway route
until I got to the next junction point.

I would have liked the option to answer the unit's "You're speeding" with a
"STFU for X minutes." What a nag. My first unit took me to the middle of a
cornfield instead of the medical park I was looking for. Their best use
seems to be getting you home when you're lost. They "know" where home is
(and so do you) so even if the maps aren't very detailed for your area, it
will at least keep you pointed towards home. I'd sell mine, too, if it
weren't for that feature.

I've read that all the gains made in taking drunk drivers off the road in
the last 50 years has been quickly undone by the new "driving drunk" -
texting while driving. I see it so often it spooks me. In S. Korea, I
think, out of work people are paid a bounty to catch miscreants like texting
drivers on film.

Sounds like you have the same type that I had. A Tom-Tom.
Oddly enough, I set mine to my home location. Several months later I
hit the "go home" button and it said something like "no such location".
I tried several times to put my home location back and it could not be
changed. At one point I wanted to change the whole thing back to the
default factory settings and never figured out how. Even letting it
turned on till the battery was totally dead did not work.

Yea, mine took me down a long windy road in a medium sized city. I knew
where I was going, and knew that the highway I wanted to take was right
before entering that city. I did not need the GPS, but it was turned on
just to see how accurate it was (if it was). A half mile before the
city and the road I should turn on, it tells me to turn on this gravel
road. What a ****in nightmare that was. A windy curvy bumpy gravel
road that was so curvy I could not exceed 25mph. When I got home, I
google mapped that road and come to find I saved less than one mile, but
probably wasted 20 minutes at that slow speed v/s just taking the
highway. I'm sure I wasted gas too, since I had to brake every 10
seconds because of the sharp curves.

As far as texting on the highway, I cant imagine doing that. I cant
even bring up my contact list to make a call on my cell. Actually I
dont even make calls on the highway, but one day I was on a gravel
country road where there is never traffic, and just wanted to call
someone to ask if they were home. I slow down to about 20mph, and am
trying to bring up the contact list. I find myself nearly going into
the ditch. I pulled over, made my call, and went back to driving.
Talking on the phone while driving is not that difficult, but the minute
I need to start pushing buttons, it's time to pull over. I got the
basic phone with 12 buttons, not the full keyboard, so it's harder to
text, but I just cant see anyone in their right mind even trying to text
while driving.

They'd be better off staying home and getting drunk while texting

well I LOVE MY GARMIN. My job as a repair person for machines
primarily in schools has me on the road constantly.

they arent perfect, my garmin has one building in the fast lane of I
70, they are only as good as the paper maps.

I tried a TOM TOM for awhile but garmin much better. the newer units
are much more accurate.....

the best most useful device ever created.

my first garmin cost over 650 bucks, it paid for itself in a matter of
months......

I got a new Garmin with lifetime maps and traffic. Hardly used it yet
but it works great.

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On Monday, March 26, 2012 12:04:02 PM UTC-4, N8N wrote:
I'd like to think that this is an April Fool's joke a few days early,
but then again, we are talking about the Agency of Joan Claybrook...

I dunno about that. I was programming my GPS the other day to find out how
much longer it would take to get to my destination.

Thought to myself, "How is this different from texting or dialing a cell
phone?"

For the life of me I cannot see why two are "distracted driving" and one,
isn't.

You can use a GPS pretty safely if mount it where you can see it, use the
audio mode (which I wish was able to mute the stereo, give the report and
unmute the stereo) and don't touch it when you're actually driving.
Anything can be dangerous - a Big Mac, a PC, a radio, a DVD player, the
morning crossword puzzle, makeup, beard trimming, etc. The truckers of
America recently lost a round, IIRC, concerning using trip management
"systems" (GPSs on steroids) while driving. There's all sorts of
well-vetted test data that shows when people concentrate on a task inside
the vehicle their awareness of the environment outside the vehicle plummets.

I was fussing with my pocket tape recorder while driving my nearly new car
when I saw that a metal plate in the roadway had shifted and there was a 3'
by 16' hole in the roadway. While I may have been going fast enough to just
"ride over it" a recent Mythbusters I saw about the bus in "Speed" leads me
to believe I would have destroyed the front end of the car if the lane next
to me had been blocked. That incident led me to an overcautious state of
mind where I don't even turn my cell phone on while in the car to avoid
temptation. It's plain to see when driving down the Beltway that a lot of
people are barely paying attention to the road ahead of them. They don't
realize that the fractions of a second it takes them to "task switch" are
the fractions of a second where an accident *might* be avoided.

I'd like to set up a camera in the rear window so I could I drove ahead of a
"look down" driver and let a few big garbage bags out the window. It would
probably give them a heart-attack. I can remember the feeling I had when
large objects from other lanes were suddenly got knocked hard into my lane.
Beds, ladders, a hand truck, tires, tables, an easy chair and something else
I'm forgetting - yes, a large chunk of thick ice off a car roof - have all
come at me while doing 65 mph on the highway.

I've played a lot of video games but none matched the thrill of trying to
evade the huge metal handtruck that blew off a Coca Cola truck. For a while
it's still traveling along pretty quickly from the momentum. For a while.
Thick rubber tires can really bounce around, too. I was driving on the
Verazzano Bridge plaza when a truck full of truck tires lost the rear gate
and squadron of tires began flying through the gaps in the traffic.

--
Bobby G.

I've played a lot of video games but none matched the thrill of trying to
evade the huge metal handtruck that blew off a Coca Cola truck. *For a while
it's still traveling along pretty quickly from the momentum. *For a while.
Thick rubber tires can really bounce around, too. *I was driving on the
Verazzano Bridge plaza when a truck full of truck tires lost the rear gate
and squadron of tires began flying through the gaps in the traffic.

--
Bobby G.

I drove over a extension ladder recently. boy was I surprised....

saw a sprite truck open up and dump many many cubes of sprite all over
the road. geez did those bottles spray big time.

On 3/27/2012 4:14 PM, bob haller wrote:

I've played a lot of video games but none matched the thrill of trying to
evade the huge metal handtruck that blew off a Coca Cola truck. For a while
it's still traveling along pretty quickly from the momentum. For a while.
Thick rubber tires can really bounce around, too. I was driving on the
Verazzano Bridge plaza when a truck full of truck tires lost the rear gate
and squadron of tires began flying through the gaps in the traffic.

--
Bobby G.

I drove over a extension ladder recently. boy was I surprised....

saw a sprite truck open up and dump many many cubes of sprite all over
the road. geez did those bottles spray big time.


I was driving through Malfunction Junction in downtown Birmingham some
years ago when I caught a movement in the lane next to me and it was a
big towed Ingersoll Rand air compressor that was loose and the tongue
dug into the pavement so the compressor was flipping end over end at
60MPH. The next day, state highway department crews were out repairing
divots that had been ripped out of the freeway. o_O

TDD

Sunday, I went to visit a friend, and help with some church paper work. He
has a working rotary dial phone. Now, THAT is quaint.

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"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
For years, I've harvested the maps out of my phone book. Staple them
in a folder, and carry with me. This year, the phone books arrived. I
looked for the maps. They had "mall store maps" but none for streets.
I'm going to have to make last years maps last a long time.


Phone book?

How quaint.

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By the way, to eliminate all car accidents, it's not a matter of
removing car electronics, just remove the engine. That will guarantee
no more crashes, not to mention saving a fortune in gas costs.




no,remove the nut behind the wheel.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On 3/27/2012 5:28 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Sunday, I went to visit a friend, and help with some church paper work. He
has a working rotary dial phone. Now, THAT is quaint.


Bet he's still paying the telephone company a couple of bucks a month to
maintain it

"bob haller" wrote in message
...

I've played a lot of video games but none matched the thrill of trying to
evade the huge metal handtruck that blew off a Coca Cola truck. For a
while
it's still traveling along pretty quickly from the momentum. For a while.
Thick rubber tires can really bounce around, too. I was driving on the
Verazzano Bridge plaza when a truck full of truck tires lost the rear gate
and squadron of tires began flying through the gaps in the traffic.

--
Bobby G.

I drove over a extension ladder recently. boy was I surprised....

I'll bet. If I count all the things that have tried to kill friends and
family on the highways we would be described most of WalMart and anything
that can be tied to the roof of car with cakebox string.

saw a sprite truck open up and dump many many cubes of sprite all over
the road. geez did those bottles spray big time.

We had an armored car overturn here carrying mostly bags of coins. As soon
as people saw the truck turned over and the stuff all scattered, they all
stopped to help pick it up. And then drove off with it!

Raise your hand if you've ever driven behind a chicken truck on a hot two
lane highway in the summer.

--
Bobby G.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 3/27/2012 4:14 PM, bob haller wrote:

I've played a lot of video games but none matched the thrill of trying
to
evade the huge metal handtruck that blew off a Coca Cola truck. For a
while
it's still traveling along pretty quickly from the momentum. For a
while.
Thick rubber tires can really bounce around, too. I was driving on the
Verazzano Bridge plaza when a truck full of truck tires lost the rear
gate
and squadron of tires began flying through the gaps in the traffic.

--
Bobby G.

I drove over a extension ladder recently. boy was I surprised....

saw a sprite truck open up and dump many many cubes of sprite all over
the road. geez did those bottles spray big time.


I was driving through Malfunction Junction in downtown Birmingham some
years ago when I caught a movement in the lane next to me and it was a
big towed Ingersoll Rand air compressor that was loose and the tongue
dug into the pavement so the compressor was flipping end over end at
60MPH. The next day, state highway department crews were out repairing
divots that had been ripped out of the freeway. o_O

Ouch! My Italian NYC cousin got hit head on by a towed car that had broken
free and slammed into her as they went through an underpass together on
opposites sides of the road. Another friend has a picture I should post of
some huge truck axle segment that came up through the passenger floor of his
Acura and probably would have gelded any guy sitting there.

Some of my closest encounters with the Great Beyond have concerned trailers
of one kind or another. There's the "Tale of the Singing Tow Cable" and
"Rock and Roll Until You Roll Over." The problem is that U-Haul rents
trailers to young adults. (-: I watched "Harvest" on the HistChan
yesterday and some kid operating a $500K combine ignites the dry wheat
(about an acre's worth) and then hops out of the combine (now hovering over
the dry wheat) with a little, bitty fire extinguisher looking to use it to
put out huge crop fire. The owner's screaming "Don't cut the fire!!!"
worrying that the kid will drive the fuel-laden combine into the burning
wheat. We old cusses take for granted how much stuff we've learned just by
getting old.

--
Bobby G.

"bob haller" wrote in message
news:455ce899-3b17-4e74-bf72-

well I LOVE MY GARMIN. My job as a repair person for machines
primarily in schools has me on the road constantly.

I assume that a) if you use them often enough to really learn their quirks
and b) have a good, frequently updated unit that doesn't drag you down
logging roads and blind alleys (-: that you can get by.,

they arent perfect, my garmin has one building in the fast lane of I
70, they are only as good as the paper maps.

I still get freaked when I am sitting in a huge shopping center and the GPS
shows nothing - no roads, no buildings, no message "Here Be Dragons!"

I tried a TOM TOM for awhile but garmin much better. the newer units
are much more accurate.....

Sanyo and Maylong. That could explain it. I really don't use them at all,
so I didn't want to spend a fortune.

the best most useful device ever created.

It is pretty useful for finding my way home when I get lost.

--
Bobby G.


my first garmin cost over 650 bucks, it paid for itself in a matter of
months......

"Frank" wrote in message
...

my first garmin cost over 650 bucks, it paid for itself in a matter of
months......

I got a new Garmin with lifetime maps and traffic. Hardly used it yet
but it works great.

I can see how the additional traffic feature could be very useful in
metropolitan areas and holiday driving. What did yours cost?

--
Bobby G.

Phone book?

How quaint.

13x the tonnage of the fully loaded Titanic is annually deposited in
landfills in the form of phone books.

They have reached their lifespan, though. They will survive the best in the
smaller markets, as that will be the best thing going in small towns. But
for large cities, the stranglehold monopolies of the phone books is done.
It was done a few years ago when the courts ruled that the "yellow pages"
did not have a monopoly on that market, and zillions sprang up in
competition.

Steve