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OT Who changes their motor oil at 3000 miles?
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker.
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On Aug 24, 9:02*pm, Metspitzer wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. My truck has a built in feature that puts a message up on the dash readout when it's time to change oil. The owners manual says that the message is based on a lot of things, including length of trips, temperature, and driving habits, and to change oil when I get the message, or at 7000 miles, whichever is sooner. The message typically pops up at around 6000-7500 miles. The factory dealer's service department still puts on the 3000 mile sticker, though. |
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On 08/24/11 10:02 pm, Metspitzer wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. The manual for our '02 Chrysler 300M has two maintenance schedules: 7500-mile oil changes for "normal" driving, 3000 miles when trips are mostly short. We've always aimed at 3000-mile oil changes, but we don't get too concerned if the intervals are somewhat longer. I don't think we've ever reached 4000 miles between changes. Perce |
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"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote:
The manual for our '02 Chrysler 300M has two maintenance schedules: Haven't seen you in rec.autos.makers.chrysler in ages. What gives? |
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Metspitzer wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? |
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"Metspitzer" wrote in message ... All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Recently, the guy I use started putting the stickers for 500 miles. I change at 7000 to 7500 though, just like the book says. Maybe in mid winter I'll go earlier, but at least half my driving is highway and 25+ miles trips. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
: "Metspitzer" wrote in message ... All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Recently, the guy I use started putting the stickers for 500 miles. I change at 7000 to 7500 though, just like the book says. Maybe in mid winter I'll go earlier, but at least half my driving is highway and 25+ miles trips. Stickers for 500 miles? Typo omitting a zero I hope? |
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: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. I change mine every 3K-4K. And that's with Mobil 1. -- Tegger |
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On Aug 24, 10:45*pm, LouB wrote:
Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? Because if you don't change the oil more frequently if you do city/in-town driving only consisting of short trips where the engine oil doesn't get up to operating temperature for a good length of time, it breaks down much faster and does not do its job properly... Not only does engine oil lubricate the engine's moving parts, it also acts as a medium to transmit heat from parts of the engine which are not near the coolant tubes... It has nothing to do with the engine oil change military industrial complex wanting to stiff consumers out of money for more frequent oil changes at all... It is whether you want to have to pay for costly engine repairs or even replacement because you had broken down oil in your engine for about 1/2 it's operating life because you went twice as long between changes given your type of driving and any environmental conditions... You would want to change the oil at the 3,000 mile frequency if your driving environment is primarily desert or beach landscapes as you would want to rid the engine of any grit that gets past the air intake filter and not allow it to remain inside the engine to wet sand the parts and destroy things like oil seals and piston rings... ~~ Evan |
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On 8/24/2011 11:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Metspitzer" wrote in message ... All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Recently, the guy I use started putting the stickers for 500 miles. I change at 7000 to 7500 though, just like the book says. Maybe in mid winter I'll go earlier, but at least half my driving is highway and 25+ miles trips. I drive so little any more, I do it as much by time as miles- about every 8-10 months works out to every 4-5 k miles. Of course, the current two cars are the first ones where I am not adding a quart every month or so (knock on wood)- if you have a car that leaks or burns and keep adding fresh oil, you can stretch it a bit. 3k miles is 'because that is the way we have always done it' and a profit center, IMHO. Even Click and Clack say 3k is too often, with modern oil and engine systems, and unleaded gas. I do make sure to drive long enough and fast enough to get the engines fully heated up, at least once a week. -- aem sends... |
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On Aug 25, 3:02*am, Metspitzer wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. People who own American cars? Most over here are 10,000 miles. |
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"Red Green" wrote in message ... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in : "Metspitzer" wrote in message ... All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Recently, the guy I use started putting the stickers for 500 miles. I change at 7000 to 7500 though, just like the book says. Maybe in mid winter I'll go earlier, but at least half my driving is highway and 25+ miles trips. Stickers for 500 miles? Typo omitting a zero I hope? The new Federal deficit is causing a shortage of zeros for the rest of us. I' m trying to conserve them. |
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"Evan" wrote It has nothing to do with the engine oil change military industrial complex wanting to stiff consumers out of money for more frequent oil changes at all... B S While you are correct for severe service, the oil change places just put that 3000 mile sticker on the car as they have been for 50 years. Under normal conditions, you can easily go 5000 to 7500 miles and not do any damage. Oils and engines have changed since 1960. I remember it was common to do rings and bearings on an engine at 50,000 miles. Those days are long gone. |
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On 08/24/11 10:44 pm, Home Guy wrote:
The manual for our '02 Chrysler 300M has two maintenance schedules: Haven't seen you in rec.autos.makers.chrysler in ages. What gives? Just a week or two back I posted there to advise somebody against buying a used Sebring if it had the same or similar Mitsu****ty motor that was in our old Stratus ES. Other than that, there hasn't been much to write about there. Perce |
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Evan wrote:
On Aug 24, 10:45 pm, LouB wrote: Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? Because if you don't change the oil more frequently if you do city/in-town driving only consisting of short trips where the engine oil doesn't get up to operating temperature for a good length of time, it breaks down much faster and does not do its job properly... Not only does engine oil lubricate the engine's moving parts, it also acts as a medium to transmit heat from parts of the engine which are not near the coolant tubes... It has nothing to do with the engine oil change military industrial complex wanting to stiff consumers out of money for more frequent oil changes at all... It is whether you want to have to pay for costly engine repairs or even replacement because you had broken down oil in your engine for about 1/2 it's operating life because you went twice as long between changes given your type of driving and any environmental conditions... You would want to change the oil at the 3,000 mile frequency if your driving environment is primarily desert or beach landscapes as you would want to rid the engine of any grit that gets past the air intake filter and not allow it to remain inside the engine to wet sand the parts and destroy things like oil seals and piston rings... ~~ Evan Always changed oil on recommended schedule, not 3000 miles. Result NEVER had an engine problem, let alone failure, due to wear, or heat. Used car for commuting and around town. Oh yeah my experience is limited since I am only 71. Yes I would have changed oil more in tough environments, but most folks do not have that issue so most folks can ignore 3,000 mile BS. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Red Green" wrote in message ... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in : "Metspitzer" wrote in message ... All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Recently, the guy I use started putting the stickers for 500 miles. I change at 7000 to 7500 though, just like the book says. Maybe in mid winter I'll go earlier, but at least half my driving is highway and 25+ miles trips. Stickers for 500 miles? Typo omitting a zero I hope? The new Federal deficit is causing a shortage of zeros for the rest of us. I' m trying to conserve them. LOL |
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On Aug 24, 10:02*pm, Metspitzer wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Manual will probably say change in so many miles/months. As a retiree who drives less than half the suggested miles in the time alloted, I usually change mine every 3,000 miles or 6 months. I recently had a situation where I asked for reimbursement of a known problem after the warranty period and all service records outside the dealer were requested. I don't save receipts but I do keep a service log book and my claim was allowed. |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:02:32 -0400, Metspitzer
wrote Re OT Who changes their motor oil at 3000 miles?: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. I've been changing oil + filter every 5000 miles for the past 40 years on all cars in the family. Never had a problem. I've always used store-brand oil. -- Work is the curse of the drinking class. |
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I try to get to the garage for oil change about 3500 to
4,000 miles. Conventional oil, in older vehicles. Due to the Obama economy, my vehicles each have almost 200,000 miles on them. Can't afford newer. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Stickers for 500 miles? Typo omitting a zero I hope? The new Federal deficit is causing a shortage of zeros for the rest of us. I' m trying to conserve them. |
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Metspitzer wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. I usually wait for my SUV (Saturn a.k.a. GM) to tell me its time (about 15,000 km) but the dealer puts a 5000 km sticker in the window (WTF)? I was given 3 years bumper to bumper when I bought it, so the oil changes have been free. I plan on waiting until around 7000 km (about 1000 km before my B2B expires) to have it change before relieving on the oil life sensor again. |
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ed_h wrote:
My truck has a built in feature that puts a message up on the dash readout when it's time to change oil. The owners manual says that the message is based on a lot of things, including length of trips, temperature, and driving habits, and to change oil when I get the message, or at 7000 miles, whichever is sooner. The message typically pops up at around 6000-7500 miles. Same with my Durango. Oil change light has been coming on around 7000 miles for the past three years. This last time, it came on at 3000. Driving patterns haven't changed - mostly highway. Wonder if one of the factors is total mileage on the vehicle? Doing it at 3000 gets expensive and unnecessary when you use a full synthetic. |
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On 08/25/11 08:26 am, Ned Flanders wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. I usually wait for my SUV (Saturn a.k.a. GM) to tell me its time (about 15,000 km) but the dealer puts a 5000 km sticker in the window (WTF)? Our '02 Chrysler 300M tells me when an oil change is due, but the interval can be set by the user for either 3000 miles or 7,500 miles. We always have it set for 3000. Perce |
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On 8/24/2011 9:02 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Ok, now I have a different result. The last time I got my oil changed at Walmart they put a 3750 mile sticker on. That is the factory recommended interval for regular driving. If the driving is mostly highway it can go to 7500 miles. The car is a 2007 Nissan. Bill |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
: "Red Green" wrote in message ... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in : "Metspitzer" wrote in message ... All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Recently, the guy I use started putting the stickers for 500 miles. I change at 7000 to 7500 though, just like the book says. Maybe in mid winter I'll go earlier, but at least half my driving is highway and 25+ miles trips. Stickers for 500 miles? Typo omitting a zero I hope? The new Federal deficit is causing a shortage of zeros for the rest of us. I' m trying to conserve them. Makes sense... |
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Evan wrote:
On Aug 24, 10:45 pm, LouB wrote: Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? Because if you don't change the oil more frequently if you do city/in-town driving only consisting of short trips where the engine oil doesn't get up to operating temperature for a good length of time, it breaks down much faster and does not do its job properly... Uh, I think the oil gets to operating temperature in about twenty seconds. I may exaggerate, but if I move the car - after being parked overnight - to the area where I'd like to change the oil, the oil draining from the pan is hotter than a biscuit. |
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On Aug 24, 7:22*pm, ed_h wrote:
On Aug 24, 9:02*pm, Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. My truck has a built in feature that puts a message up on the dash readout when it's time to change oil. *The owners manual says that the message is based on a lot of things, including length of trips, temperature, and driving habits, and to change oil when I get the message, or at 7000 miles, whichever is sooner. *The message typically pops up at around 6000-7500 miles. The factory dealer's service department still puts on the 3000 mile sticker, though. I do at 3,000. Been around 6 years since I read the manual but IIRC it give 3,000 for 'severe service'. Since most of my driving is only 4 miles to town and 4 back that certainly is sever service as it never gets properly warmed up. Harry K |
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On Aug 24, 7:45*pm, LouB wrote:
Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? I'll bet most, if not all, manuals give two service intervals. One for normal, the other for 'severe' service. Harry K |
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In article ,
"Stormin Mormon" wrote: I try to get to the garage for oil change about 3500 to 4,000 miles. Conventional oil, in older vehicles. Due to the Obama economy, my vehicles each have almost 200,000 miles on them. Can't afford newer. This is what I'm talking about, here. The economy isn't an "Obama" economy. Can't you guys just knock that off? Bush was the worst president in the history of the universe, and handed off the plane with 3 engines flamed out, the ailerons inoperable, and the tail on fire. Not to mention he was retarded, and a ****ing traitor who should have been hanged. But you don't see me bitching about him on every ****ing thread, so why not just shut the **** up about Obama and stick to the ****ing topic? I'm pretty sure you lived in a trailer during the previous administration, and treated your customers with contempt then as you do now, so maybe you should look within to learn about the causes of your own personal financial troubles, Chris. Either that or just assume that your god wants you to be poor for some reason. Doesn't he have the plan for you? |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote: "Evan" wrote It has nothing to do with the engine oil change military industrial complex wanting to stiff consumers out of money for more frequent oil changes at all... B S While you are correct for severe service, the oil change places just put that 3000 mile sticker on the car as they have been for 50 years. Under normal conditions, you can easily go 5000 to 7500 miles and not do any damage. Oils and engines have changed since 1960. I remember it was common to do rings and bearings on an engine at 50,000 miles. Those days are long gone. Hi, Todya's engine and oil is more advanced compared to olden days. Like my neighbors just delivered new BMW does not even have a dip stick. After 10K km oil change I never saw old oil coming out has color change or any funny smell. If some one wants to change oil at 3K mile interval in most cases that's waste of money and time. |
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"Metspitzer" wrote in message ... All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. This instills a visible reminder of guilt and impending doom for the anal. And those who can't change their own oil. You notice they put it on the windshield right where someone can see it every time they drive, and not the door. Probably illegal in California. Steve |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:27:15 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote: On Aug 24, 7:45Â*pm, LouB wrote: Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? I'll bet most, if not all, manuals give two service intervals. One for normal, the other for 'severe' service. Harry K I just looked at mine (97 Lumina sedan) and it has "Short trip/city" and "Long trip/highway" maintenance schedules. It's a pretty lame format, showing pages for odometer increments. The short trip/city has 3000 miles or 3 months, whichever first. The long trip/highway has 7500 mile or 12 months, whichever first. Darn, this manual has pages stuck together because my basement flooded, and I'm throwing it away. But Chevy has a downloadable pdf file and I just downloaded that. That's a new one to me. I pasted what they say below. Since most of the miles we put on it are my wife's 6 miles to work and 6 back, it comes under the short schedule. And that's what I do, except it's sometimes closer to 4000 miles and that 3 month stuff is crazy. Forget about that. Maybe 6 months given out usage pattern. Once a year we do a trip about 3000 miles and I usually change it just before we go, along with doing any other maintenance I deem necessary. That's when I check hoses, antifreeze, etc. Not too long after we get back oil gets changed again. I don't worry about going 500 over. --Vic ################################################## ### Short Trip Every 3,000 Miles (5 000 km): Engine Oil and Filter Change (or 3 months, whichever occurs first) Follow the Short TripKity Maintenance Schedule if any one of these conditions is true for your vehicle: Most trips are less than 5 to 10 miles (8 to 16 km). This is particularly important when outside temperatures are below freezing. Most trips include extensive idling (such as frequent driving in stop-and-go traffic). Most trips are through dusty areas. You frequently tow a trailero r use a carrier on topo f your vehicle. If the vehicle is used for delivery service, police, taxi or other commercia1 application. One of the reasons you should follow this schedule if you operate your vehicle under any of these conditions is that these conditions cause engine oil to break down sooner. Long Trip Every 7,500 Miles (12 500 km): Engine Oil and Filter Change (or every 12 months, whichever occurs first). Follow this maintenance schedule only if none of the conditions from theS hort TripKity Maintenance Schedule is true. Do not use this schedule if the vehicle is used for trailer towing, driveni n a dusty area or used off paved roads. Use the ShoTrtr ipKity schedule for these conditions. Driving a vehicle with a fully warmed engine under highway conditions causes engine oil to break down slower. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:30:05 GMT, Red Green
wrote: Harry K wrote in news:9f59ffdf-0a25-469d-a2d9- : On Aug 24, 7:22Â*pm, ed_h wrote: On Aug 24, 9:02Â*pm, Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. My truck has a built in feature that puts a message up on the dash readout when it's time to change oil. Â*The owners manual says that the message is based on a lot of things, including length of trips, temperature, and driving habits, and to change oil when I get the message, or at 7000 miles, whichever is sooner. Â*The message typically pops up at around 6000-7500 miles. The factory dealer's service department still puts on the 3000 mile sticker, though. I do at 3,000. Been around 6 years since I read the manual but IIRC it give 3,000 for 'severe service'. Since most of my driving is only 4 miles to town and 4 back that certainly is sever service as it never gets properly warmed up. Harry K You probably go through a lot of exhaust fixes. 4 miles should be enough to heat up the exhaust well. Probably. Can't say I ever checked it. --Vic |
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For the past 4 years or so, my driving has been mostly moving the car
for street cleaning, and to the market up the street every week or so. I sometimes won't go through more than a couple of complete warm up cycle between changes... As a result, I'm now changing oil by calendar month... do it every 90 days, ...even set up a Google calendar reminder. Got 22 years out of my old 87 Accord... changed it's oil (Valvoline 10-40) every 3000... whenever I had the valve cover off for adjustments, it looked like the day it was built. It was the rest of the car that became an issue... Erik |
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In article , Harry K wrote:
I do at 3,000. I too...for me that's half a year of driving. I had to join the "Lifetime Oil Change" program at my mechanic, which I think was $189, because the Honda Element is the first car I've ever had where I can't change my own oil. (The filter is inaccessible without ramps or being 6'8".) They're happy to do it every four months but I think that's absurd. They'll lose a bundle on me as I keep cars 15-17 years. Art |
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:02:32 -0400, Metspitzer
wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. And I STILL change my oil roughly every 5000km (3000 miles) which is twice a year, more or less. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:44:21 -0600, Robert Neville
wrote: ed_h wrote: My truck has a built in feature that puts a message up on the dash readout when it's time to change oil. The owners manual says that the message is based on a lot of things, including length of trips, temperature, and driving habits, and to change oil when I get the message, or at 7000 miles, whichever is sooner. The message typically pops up at around 6000-7500 miles. Same with my Durango. Oil change light has been coming on around 7000 miles for the past three years. This last time, it came on at 3000. Driving patterns haven't changed - mostly highway. Wonder if one of the factors is total mileage on the vehicle? Doing it at 3000 gets expensive and unnecessary when you use a full synthetic. Daughter's new Civic comes on at about 8000km (5000 miles) |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:31:19 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: Evan wrote: On Aug 24, 10:45 pm, LouB wrote: Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? Because if you don't change the oil more frequently if you do city/in-town driving only consisting of short trips where the engine oil doesn't get up to operating temperature for a good length of time, it breaks down much faster and does not do its job properly... Uh, I think the oil gets to operating temperature in about twenty seconds. I may exaggerate, but if I move the car - after being parked overnight - to the area where I'd like to change the oil, the oil draining from the pan is hotter than a biscuit. You like your biscuits at room temp??? To get the oil to "operating temperature" generally takes 10 or more miles - and to get the moisture boiled out, about 20 more minutes of driving, if it has done a lot of short trips over a period of weeks before. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:43:42 GMT, Red Green
wrote: Evan wrote in news:256b8677-5a97-42a4- : On Aug 24, 10:45Â*pm, LouB wrote: Metspitzer wrote: All the oil change places still put 3000 in the window sticker. Follow the $$. If the manual says 7500 why do anything else? Because if you don't change the oil more frequently if you do city/in-town driving only consisting of short trips where the engine oil doesn't get up to operating temperature for a good length of time, it breaks down much faster and does not do its job properly... Not only does engine oil lubricate the engine's moving parts, it also acts as a medium to transmit heat from parts of the engine which are not near the coolant tubes... It has nothing to do with the engine oil change military industrial complex wanting to stiff consumers out of money for more frequent oil changes at all... Although Ed already said it, I want to say bull****! too. And just like Ed said, I don't at all disagree with your other comments. The people that work at Jerky Lube, at all levels, work there because they have no skills. You really can't believe their advice is better than the manufacturing design engineers. If you do then you must be buying into this **** purging stuff being hawked on TV - change yor ****/oil before it needs it. It is whether you want to have to pay for costly engine repairs or even replacement because you had broken down oil in your engine for about 1/2 it's operating life because you went twice as long between changes given your type of driving and any environmental conditions... You would want to change the oil at the 3,000 mile frequency if your driving environment is primarily desert or beach landscapes as you would want to rid the engine of any grit that gets past the air intake filter and not allow it to remain inside the engine to wet sand the parts and destroy things like oil seals and piston rings... ~~ Evan Hey, it's YOUR car - do as you like. |
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