On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 05:46:02 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:25:27 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:37:20 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

with 300M guns in this country, the distinction between legal and
illegal ownership is a fiction.

Now we all *know* you're stupid.

ah. so you think there's some way to track and control 300M guns

Good God, no! Why would we even WANT to track guns. There should be another
300M, at least. I'm thinking about buying a Walther PPK/S for my wife, in
fact.

thanks for making my point.

Your only point is sticking up between your shoulders.

the defense rests

The "defense" has some case!

obviously because 'leniency' is just another figment of the right's
imagination

Wrong. As long as loony lefty judges, and politicians, keep turning them out,
they'll keep killing.

let me type this slowly so you can understand

You'd better learn to think, first.

the US has the highest incarceration rate in the entire world

Good! More deserve to be there!

we have more prisoners than china. china has 5X our population

You have a point (other than the one mentioned above)?

where is your data that shows judges are lenient?

Recidivism. Not enough executions.

oh. rush told you.

Your dipstick is low.

i rest my case

You're illiterate, like most kids your age, too.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:38:09 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/11/2011 10:37 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:06:58 -0500, wrote:

let's see. america has the highest rate of incarceration in the world.
we have more prisoners than china.

The U.S. does have a large prison population. We use guns to contain
prisoners based on classification and propensity towards violence.

Our penal systems are admired around the world as the best run
facilities in the world.

The Federal system only has 209,494 (Last updated on January 6, 2011 )
Up from 52, 000 in 1979. You can look the daily count for each state,
though.

What is really neat is that we don't harvest body parts from prisoners
and sell them on the black market.

Next!


Aren't most of the prisoners in there because of drug charges?

No. I saw a study a little while back of the NYS penal system. There was
*ONE* person incarcerated for drug offenses alone.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 05:48:14 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:28:52 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:38:15 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:55:10 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:07:56 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


if gun ownership causes a DECREASE in violence like you say it does

It certainly does. Check out violence in areas where it is legal carry (and
easy to obtain *legal* firearms) and areas that don't.

gee then why does the US have the highest rate of homicide in the
westen world?


why are we the most viotent developed country in the world?

A lie.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

This is glaring proof that you're a liar.

oh. you cant read a chart.

I certainly can read. It's *you*, kid, who is illiterate.

yeah, you're right wing alright

I certainly am! You're a leftist loser, likely living in mommy's livingroom.
How's her insurance, BTW?

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:47:47 -0800, "DGDevin" wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
news
HAHAHAH anybody think russia's developed?

It was one of the world's two superpowers for several decades, were you away
for those years, maybe in a hospital...?

The kid hadn't been born yet.

snip

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

On Jan 12, 4:25*am, "
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:51:17 -0600, The Daring Dufas





wrote:
On 1/11/2011 7:54 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:53:22 -0600, The Daring Dufas
*wrote:

On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, * wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. *Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. *And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

Tuscaloosa, being a university town, is likely quite well off. *...pretty
similar, I would expect, to Auburn.

When I last lived there in the late 1970's, there was a lot of
manufacturing going on in the area.

* * * * * * * * Tuscaloosa * Auburn
* *Population = 95K * * * * *52K
* *School size= 28,700 * * * 24,600 *
* *Employment =$45.5K * * * *55.6K median family income- Hide quoted text -

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You missed the important one. Unemployment.

Ok, 8.1% 7.6%

Not so different and a *lot* better than, say, Kalifornica at 12.4%.

Any other subject else you'd like to demonstrate your ignorance on today?

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:59:01 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:53:22 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such
tripe as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins
(with his gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor
peopl, no slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All
complete ********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact
from fiction. The American gov. wants young boys trained up for
their foriegn wars, waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle
class" in the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with
no annual tax), a car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to
go into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The
USA has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has
subjects. Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your
perverts may be of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The
State of Texas is 2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry
my friend but our countries just don't survive a side to side
comparison. If you were referring to the West Alabama city of
Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was born there back in the middle of the
last century. If you have a link to some source of disparaging
material on my birthplace, I'd like to see it. Heck, I might recognize
the people and places. :-)

Tuscaloosa, being a university town, is likely quite well off.
...pretty similar, I would expect, to Auburn.


look at VERMONT,which has had both open and concealed carry with NO
permit,for many years,and no problem with it.

I know. I lived there for 15 years. However, they also are one of the
highest taxed states in the union, so I'll pay my $20/yr for my permit, and
save $4500 on my property taxes.

It seems it's the crowded cities where guns are mostly prohibited where
most of the crime is committed. Like Detroit,Chicago,NYC,DC,etc.

True, that's where *most* of the lefties are, too. VT would ban guns, too, if
the legislators thought they'd live long enough (it's been tried more than
once).

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:36:20 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:17:59 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


Might I suggest you visit your local state prison and request the
Warden allow you to take a couple prisoners home for a week-end
Furlough?

sorry. the wife is a defense attorney. i've seen my share of prisons

Was this a drive by viewing of the prison? Have you actually seen a
dangerous criminal up close -- ever tell one what to do?

uh yes. i was in catholic seminary. our order had a prison ministry at
the indiana state prison. met a guy who killed 2 indiana state
troopers when he was 19

does that count?



Some humans are incapable of walking around in a civilized society.
Maybe you can get a few on furlough and rehabilitate them.

and we seem to have more of these than any other country on earth. SO
either right wing philosophy about lock 'em up is wrong or god just
sent every misfit to 21st century US


We do have to have our share of misfits. We can't just send them all
to the U.K.. The evil prison guards might just hug them to death.
That would be awful.

dodging the issue isnt an answer




a very, very expensive joke that even conservatives are starting to
realize, doesnt work

Name one.

pat buchanan among others

He don't count. Try again.

ROFLMAO!! why not? too left for you??

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:





On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

He needed a driver, not guards.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:33:21 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

On Jan 12, 3:35*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Jan 12, 9:32*am, harry wrote:



I prefer growing vegetables, house improvement and foriegn
travel. *Far more satisfying.

I'm surprised they let you out of the country. *And even more
surprised they let you back in.

I read somewhere about this thing called a "spellchecker". *It will
automatically make you look smarter than you are - and they're free!
Track one down and use it. *Thanks.

R

America is the home of bad spelling.

That's why we invented the speelczecher. You might be able to import one.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:47:47 -0800, "DGDevin"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
news
HAHAHAH anybody think russia's developed?

It was one of the world's two superpowers for several decades, were you away
for those years, maybe in a hospital...?

?? since when does having nuclear weapons qualify one as a develped
country? is n. korea developed in your view?

you really ARE not too bright..


uh huh. tell you what. you go to turkey and try to compare it to
germany, OK? why do you think turks leave turkey to go to germany??

So, all developed nations have identical economies, identical levels of
infrastructure, they all have to be of a certain size? Are you under the
impression that Turkey is just now thinking about getting electricity and
telephones?

gee. what's the per capita income of germany? of turkey?

oh. you wont answer.

yeah. i already knew that


and when brazil becomes developed you let me know.

Brazil is rapidly becoming one of the world's leading economic powers, you
need to read something that doesn't involve super-heroes in capes.

now let's see...brazil has a leftist president. brazil has reduced
poverty faster than any country in recent history by taxing the rich
and giving incentives to the middle class and poor to develop

but to the american right that's SOCIALISM. and here you are telling
us what a wonderful country they are.

oh...by the way...which country just sent the ARMY into a major city
to take it back from drug dealers?

uh...brazil...yeah. that's a developed country alright


Within the U.S. most homicides by firearm involve young minority men

oh. other countries dont have minority men?

Of course they do, so what? The point is that the majority of shooting
homicides in the U.S. occur in a small segment of the population.

and yet other countries have minorities. but there is no wholesale
slaughter like we have here

and that bring up an intersting poing. if it were nice, white suburban
kids killing each other, wonder if gun control would be more
popular...

think racism is a factor?


fine. when you can show that this chart ISNT true

Right after you credibly dispute anything I posted, sunshine.

done.


You're a bit odd, aren't you.

no, just a logical thinker. something the american right abhors

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:44 -0800, "DGDevin"
wrote:



"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .

anyone know what 'defend ourselves' means? we have the highest murder
rate in the developed world

Brazil, with very strict gun laws, has a murder rate four times that of
the
U.S.

great. when the US becomes a 3rd world country, let me know

So whenever the facts don't fit your slogan (which is most of the time) you
just move the goalposts, now we're to believe that reaching some arbitrary
level of economic development magically makes violent crime disappear.

so you cant prove brazil is a developed country. and therefore you say
it is, so it is.

uh...what's the per capita income of brazil?

oh....

On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:





On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

He needed a driver, not guards.

I always thought he needed SCUBA gear for him and his passenger. :-)

TDD

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:36:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:





On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

He needed a driver, not guards.

I always thought he needed SCUBA gear for him and his passenger. :-)

His passenger needed SCUBA gear. He did alright without it. Coincidence? I
think not!

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:36:40 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

On Jan 12, 4:32*am, "
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:10:20 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 1:04*am, "
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:41:37 -0500, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:04:52 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

harry wrote:
I see that six people have been killed by some loon in Arizona.
I feel really sorry for that poor little girl and her family. Some
judge killed too but who likes lawyers anyway?

As for Gabrielle Giffords I hear she was a gun advocate. Big friend of
the Palin nut?

Well there's, a good outcome at least. If still capable of cognisant
thought when/if she recovers, I wonder if she'll have a change of
heart.

I notice that no -one was able to "defend themselves" with guns and
the gunman was disarmed by a little old lady and a couple of passing
youths who sat on his head.

Sick half wits you gun loving lot are.

What happened to the poor folks in Tuscon was regrettable indeed. Our hearts
go out to them.

Still, it's the price we must pay so that our ability to defend ourselves
remains available.

anyone know what 'defend ourselves' means? we have the highest murder
rate in the developed world

You know, when you use a gun to "convince" the no-good-nick to not rob you and
rape your daughter?

how's that defense thingie working out?

Yes, that's how defense works. *You daughter might thank you, even if your
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So how many times have they been raped? *Paranoia.

Don't know. *Ask him. *It does happen all too often, though. *I suppose you
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Your most intelligent post yet.

On Jan 12, 9:37*pm, "
wrote:

No. *I saw a study a little while back of the NYS penal system. *There was
*ONE* person incarcerated for drug offenses alone.

Why do you make up this stuff?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarce..._United_States
"Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the
incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003.
Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over
those decades. The prison population was increased primarily by public
policy changes causing more prison sentences and lengthening time
served, e.g. through mandatory minimum sentencing, "three strikes"
laws, and reductions in the availability of parole or early release.
These policies were championed as protecting the public from serious
and violent offenders, but instead yielded high rates of confinement
for nonviolent offenders. Nearly three quarters of new admissions to
state prison were convicted of nonviolent crimes. Only 49 percent of
sentenced state inmates were held for violent offenses. Perhaps the
single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has
been the national "war on drugs." The number of incarcerated drug
offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. In 2000, 22 percent of
those in federal and state prisons were convicted on drug charges."

Are you quite sure that the NYS they were referring to in that
imaginary study you mentioned wasn't the Namibian Youth Soccer penal
system? That's about the only way that your BS comment could be
possible.

Take off the blinders, please - for your own good.

R

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:44:17 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:

On Jan 12, 5:50*am, The Ghost in The Machine
wrote:
On Jan 11, 11:40*pm, "

wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:56:06 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article om,
frag wrote:

Palin needs to take her Hit List off the web. And she needs to stop putting
up that sort of thing.

ABout the time the Dems apologize for their website where they had
bullseyes on certain districts.

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - BeeHO

..YOU ARE JUST FULL OF IT, ARENT YOU..
IT GOES ON.. IF YOU BRING A GUN TO THE FIGHT, WE'LL BRING A SHOTGUN,
IF YOU BRING A SHOTGUN, WE'LL BRING A MACHINE GUN, IF YOU BRING A
MACHINE GUN, WE'LL BRING A BAZOOKA, IF YOU BRING A BAZOOKA, WE'LL
BRING A TANK.
SO NOW THEYRE BRINGING CHEMICAL WARFARE, SUICIDE BOMBERS AND AIR
PLANES, AND WE ARE USING ALL THE ABOVE, BOMBS AND AN ARMY.. WHAT'S
NEXT? THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL? WE WISH.

NICE GOING LOBBYTARD!

Good point.

You and Roy do have a lot in common.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:28:36 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
wrote:

On Jan 12, 9:37*pm, "
wrote:

No. *I saw a study a little while back of the NYS penal system. *There was
*ONE* person incarcerated for drug offenses alone.

Why do you make up this stuff?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarce..._United_States
"Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the
incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003.
Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over
those decades. The prison population was increased primarily by public
policy changes causing more prison sentences and lengthening time
served, e.g. through mandatory minimum sentencing, "three strikes"
laws, and reductions in the availability of parole or early release.
These policies were championed as protecting the public from serious
and violent offenders, but instead yielded high rates of confinement
for nonviolent offenders. Nearly three quarters of new admissions to
state prison were convicted of nonviolent crimes. Only 49 percent of
sentenced state inmates were held for violent offenses. Perhaps the
single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has
been the national "war on drugs." The number of incarcerated drug
offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. In 2000, 22 percent of
those in federal and state prisons were convicted on drug charges."

Are you quite sure that the NYS they were referring to in that
imaginary study you mentioned wasn't the Namibian Youth Soccer penal
system? That's about the only way that your BS comment could be
possible.

Take off the blinders, please - for your own good.

R

I did not read your link and did disagree with the comment about the
so called study.

In 1981, Bush 41 was appointed to oversee the South Florida Task
Force (War on Drugs) by President Reagan. What you mention is true.
Things got tough for sentences, the prison population went up, etc.
Along the line Parole was abolished under the newer guidelines and
such.

There was one instance when a U.S. Customs Official - GS 14 grade was
locked up ( turning his head for mother ships off the coast of
Florida). The federal jail(s) in Miami (MCC) were constantly filled
with smugglers - the entire crew of the ships. Bail Bonds, for the
first time reached over 10 Million dollars. Those were challenged in
court, but upheld to be not excessive. One Columbian posted 1 Million
in cash and disappeared back to Columbia.

When the new sentence guidelines came out the prisons filled up.

(Not to bore anyone) Miami was largely run by the Columbian "Cocaine
Cowboys". Death was everywhere.

Even the lawyers were slimy....

Nap time :-/

On 1/12/2011 11:25 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:36:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:





On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

He needed a driver, not guards.

I always thought he needed SCUBA gear for him and his passenger. :-)

His passenger needed SCUBA gear. He did alright without it. Coincidence? I
think not!


Oh yea, he was tanked most of the time. :-)

TDD

On Jan 13, 1:42*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 11:25 PM, wrote:





On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:36:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
*wrote:

On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
* wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, * * *wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. *Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. *And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...

Very good point. Rights come with responsibilities, and IMO if someone
wants to pack they should have to take a training course in safe
handling,
local firearms laws and shooting proficiency, and demonstrate every five
years that they can still pass the test.

Which should also be required for driving a car. Every 7 years until
you're 50, every 5 years until you're 65 and then every 3 years until
the car is sold at the estate sale.

If it were up to me the test for a driver's license would be a lot more
difficult than it is. The last time I had to actually take the test (rather
than renew by mail) I aced it, the examiner said he hadn't seen that for a
couple of months--I was astonished. It almost seems to me like the test has
been dumbed-down to the point where you'd almost have to work at it to fail.

On 1/13/2011 12:47 AM, The Ghost in The Machine wrote:
On Jan 13, 1:42 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 11:25 PM, wrote:





On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:36:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

He needed a driver, not guards.

I always thought he needed SCUBA gear for him and his passenger. :-)

His passenger needed SCUBA gear. He did alright without it. Coincidence? I
think not!

Oh yea, he was tanked most of the time. :-)

TDD

THIS DISCUSSION IS TOTALLY OUT OF LINE HERE.
IT IS DISRUPTING THE REGULAR FUNCTIONS OF THIS GROUP.

PLEASE DO NOT BRING IT UP POST AGAIN.


Protozoa! Is that you buddy? Where you been? :-)

TDD

"harry" wrote in message
...

What load of cobblers. Proper training would involve someone trying
to kill you. As this clearly isn't possible, niether is training.

Harry, Harry, Harry. You've already established beyond any reasonable doubt
that you are a bigot, an idiot, and a troll. There is no need to keep
working at it so hard, your reputation here couldn't be much lower, take a
rest.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ...

Based on your definition of proper training, the vast majority of police
officers have never and will never receive proper training. Thanks for
clearing that up.

Actually I'd tend to agree with that. I know two guys who test SWAT-style
teams, they routinely make the teams look like imbeciles. One of their
favorite stunts is tricking the rescue teams into shooting hostages. The
big-city teams are usually good, but the local teams set up with federal War
On Drugs money in the past couple of decades are usually a joke. As for
street cops, their department training is usually not that impressive, which
is why cops so often shoot too much, miss too often, and sometimes shoot the
wrong people.

"Oren" wrote in message ...

This one tried to escape, so it would appear that while he might have been
prepared to die, he was willing to avoid that if he could.

The guy took a Taxi to the killing field. What would be his plan of
escape, if he wasn't willing to die?

Given that he is carpet-chewing crazy, maybe he didn't finish that part of
the plan.

On Jan 13, 1:51*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 1/13/2011 12:47 AM, The Ghost in The Machine wrote:





On Jan 13, 1:42 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 11:25 PM, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:36:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
* *wrote:

On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
* * wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, * * * *wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. *Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. *And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap.. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

He needed a driver, not guards.

I always thought he needed SCUBA gear for him and his passenger. :-)

His passenger needed SCUBA gear. *He did alright without it. *Coincidence? *I
think not!

Oh yea, he was tanked most of the time. :-)

TDD

THIS DISCUSSION IS TOTALLY OUT OF LINE HERE.
IT IS DISRUPTING THE REGULAR FUNCTIONS OF THIS GROUP.

PLEASE DO NOT BRING IT UP POST AGAIN.

Protozoa! Is that you buddy? Where you been? :-)

TDD
**** OFF! I AM NOT YOUR BUDDY....THIS IS NO :-) MATTER.
STOP PANDERING TO THIS FOOLISH TOPIC..FOR ONCE DARE TO BE RIGHT.

PAT ECUM

On Jan 13, 12:29*am, "
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:44:17 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:
On Jan 12, 5:50*am, The Ghost in The Machine
wrote:
On Jan 11, 11:40*pm, "

wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:56:06 -0500, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article om,
frag wrote:

Palin needs to take her Hit List off the web. And she needs to stop putting
up that sort of thing.

ABout the time the Dems apologize for their website where they had
bullseyes on certain districts.

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - BeeHO

..YOU ARE JUST FULL OF IT, ARENT YOU..
IT GOES ON.. IF YOU BRING A GUN TO THE FIGHT, WE'LL BRING A SHOTGUN,
IF YOU BRING A SHOTGUN, WE'LL BRING A MACHINE GUN, IF YOU BRING A
MACHINE GUN, WE'LL BRING A BAZOOKA, IF YOU BRING A BAZOOKA, WE'LL
BRING A TANK.
SO NOW THEYRE BRINGING CHEMICAL WARFARE, SUICIDE BOMBERS AND AIR
PLANES, AND WE ARE USING ALL THE ABOVE, BOMBS AND AN ARMY.. WHAT'S
NEXT? THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL? WE WISH.

NICE GOING LOBBYTARD!

Good point.

You and Roy do have a lot in common.
I SEE, WE HAVE A BELIGERANT NUMBSKULL LIKE YOU IN COMMON.
THINGS CHANGE....FREAKAZOID..I AM NOT HE..MIND YOUR MANNERS ANYWAY.

PAT ECUM

On Jan 13, 1:58*am, "DGDevin" wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" *wrote in ....
Based on your definition of proper training, the vast majority of police
officers have never and will never receive proper training. Thanks for
clearing that up.

Actually I'd tend to agree with that. *I know two guys who test SWAT-style
teams, they routinely make the teams look like imbeciles. *One of their
favorite stunts is tricking the rescue teams into shooting hostages. *The
big-city teams are usually good, but the local teams set up with federal War
On Drugs money in the past couple of decades are usually a joke. *As for
street cops, their department training is usually not that impressive, which
is why cops so often shoot too much, miss too often, and sometimes shoot the
wrong people.

IF YOU CONTINUE...DO NOT COMPLAIN OR TRY TO SHOOT FROM THE HIP WHEN
YOUR PARTICULAR SET OF PREFERED RULES ARE VIOLATED. LIKE THIS TOPIC
VIOLATES THIS GROUPS CHARTER AND INTENT.
YOUR CALL...I HAVE TIME...
PATECUM

"Larry W" wrote in message ...

It's sad that some people would use a tragedy like this to further their
political agenda of gun control.

Even the NRA agrees that sometimes there are ways the law can be improved to
reduce gun violence. After the Virginia Tech massacre the NRA agreed that
the federal govt. should pressure the states to improve how they add names
to the instant-check list, so someone ordered by a judge to undergo
psychiatric treatment due to his threatening behavior isn't able to legally
buy a gun.

The Obama administration isn't going to push new gun laws because they know
they don't have the votes, they felt that way even before the mid-term
elections, even hardcore anti-gun legislators like Feinstein said there was
no point. There are too many Democrats from hunting & fishing states that
wouldn't support any sweeping legislation, and now they're in the minority
in the House anyway.

There is no question that Arizona, with
its "liberal" right to carry laws, is safer than areas that have very
restrictive gun ownership and carry rights. To compare a city to a city,
take a look at the per capita murder, shooting, or violent crime rates of
Phoenix and Washington DC. Our nations capital has a murder rate about 3
times
higher than Phoenix.

Look at Vermont, their approach to gun laws is almost not to have any, yet
they are usually 49th or 50th on the violent crime stats.

So many people just don't get it, it isn't just the guns, it's economics and
poverty and gangs and the failed War On Drugs and crummy schools and a host
of factors. Like the man said, guns cause crime like flies cause garbage.

REPECT IS A ONE WAY STREET.....YOU ARE DRIVING AGAINST TRAFFIC.

THIS IS A HOME REPAIRS GROUP.....RESPECT ITS CHARTER AND INTENT.

PAT ECUM

On Jan 12, 7:57*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

...
On Jan 12, 7:49 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:





"harry" wrote in message

...
On Jan 12, 6:54 pm, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:40:46 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

On Jan 12, 4:37 am, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:06:58 -0500, bpuharic
wrote:
let's see. america has the highest rate of incarceration in the
world.
we have more prisoners than china.

The U.S. does have a large prison population. We use guns to contain
prisoners based on classification and propensity towards violence.

Our penal systems are admired around the world as the best run
facilities in the world.

The Federal system only has 209,494 (Last updated on January 6,
2011 )
Up from 52, 000 in 1979. You can look the daily count for each state,
though.

What is really neat is that we don't harvest body parts from
prisoners
and sell them on the black market.

Next!

I thought in Arizona they kept offenders in tents in the desert? The
unemployed also live in tents.

Living in tents is good enough for our Fighting Warriors. I see no
reason not to have prisoners living in tents, as long as we have
barbed wire fence around them to keep the wild animals out.

Your prison system is indeed admired over here. (But only in certain
quarters) All you need to do now is disarm the loons/populace.

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- Show quoted text -

Fine. We have much less crime than you do. As previously established
in this thread. In spite of you locking up more people. Must be
something in the drinking water.
I had never saw a gun until I was twelve. And that was in France.
I never saw a gun in the UK until I was in my twenties. I never saw a
gun fired until I was in my fifties. I never fired a gun until I was
almost sixty. (In Australia)
It was interesting for about twenty minutes. But us intellectuals are
soon bored.
Peace and quiet you see.

==========

"us intellectuals"

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- Show quoted text -

It's called irony. Americans don't understand it. It's OK. Don't
worry. I'll get you trained up.

======

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- Show quoted text -

Exactly what I mean. You don't understand.

On Jan 12, 11:51*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 1:35 PM, harry wrote:





On Jan 12, 3:41 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 9:10 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 12, 9:47 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, * * * *wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. *Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. *And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

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Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.

On 1/13/2011 1:01 AM, The Ghost in The Machine wrote:
On Jan 13, 1:51 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/13/2011 12:47 AM, The Ghost in The Machine wrote:





On Jan 13, 1:42 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 11:25 PM, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:36:08 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:47:56 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

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Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

He needed a driver, not guards.

I always thought he needed SCUBA gear for him and his passenger. :-)

His passenger needed SCUBA gear. He did alright without it. Coincidence? I
think not!

Oh yea, he was tanked most of the time. :-)

TDD

THIS DISCUSSION IS TOTALLY OUT OF LINE HERE.
IT IS DISRUPTING THE REGULAR FUNCTIONS OF THIS GROUP.

PLEASE DO NOT BRING IT UP POST AGAIN.

Protozoa! Is that you buddy? Where you been? :-)

TDD
**** OFF! I AM NOT YOUR BUDDY....THIS IS NO :-) MATTER.
STOP PANDERING TO THIS FOOLISH TOPIC..FOR ONCE DARE TO BE RIGHT.

PAT ECUM

What is "**** OFF!"? Is that when you stop having sex with your blow
up rubber doll? I suppose when you get through inflating your he/she/it
rubber doll you shout "**** ON!"? :-)

TDD

On Jan 13, 1:17*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:45:23 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 05:47:06 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:37:45 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:06:58 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

let's see. america has the highest rate of incarceration in the world..
we have more prisoners than china.

The U.S. does have a large prison population. *We use guns to contain
prisoners based on classification and propensity towards violence.

Our penal systems are admired around the world as the best run
facilities in the world.

HAHAHAH really? our judicial system, dominated by the 'lock 'em up'
philosophy, is seen as a joke

Might I suggest you visit your local state prison and request the
Warden allow you to take a couple prisoners home for a week-end
Furlough?

sorry. the wife is a defense attorney. i've seen *my share of prisons



Some humans are incapable of walking around in a civilized society.
Maybe you can get a few on furlough and rehabilitate them.

and we seem to have more of these than any other country on earth. SO
either right wing philosophy about lock 'em up is wrong

"or god just sent every misfit to 21st century US"


I thought at one time some well known American requested that they be
sent? So they were. Proves that it's all genetic and you have no
hope. :-)

On Jan 13, 1:18*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:41:29 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

On Jan 12, 4:38 am, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:55:10 -0600, "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rm-related_dea....

really?

where's your evidence?

oh. you gone none

Iraq was developed until you lot got there.

they also had no gun control

They certainly did. You don't suppose Saddam allowed guns?
And it was a very nice place. I went on holiday there once.

On Jan 13, 1:26*am, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:06:59 -0500, bpuharic wrote:
Or they simply execute them,and bill the relatives for the bullet.

well we execute ours too.

Yeah, we are special. *We swab the area with an alcohol swab before we
stick the needle in. *It would be a *shame if the condemned got an
infection.

LOL

On 1/13/2011 2:41 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 12, 11:51 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 1:35 PM, harry wrote:





On Jan 12, 3:41 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 9:10 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 12, 9:47 am, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/12/2011 1:06 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 6:53 pm, The Daring
wrote:
On 1/11/2011 10:39 AM, harry wrote:

On Jan 11, 2:47 pm, wrote:
harry wrote:

All part of the American dream. A lala land personified by such tripe
as NCSI aand so forth. Aplace were the good guy always wins (with his
gun), there are no fat or ugly people, there are no poor peopl, no
slums, no unemployent and every thing is beautiful. All complete
********. Dopey credulous people who don't know fact from fiction.
The American gov. wants young boys trained up for their foriegn wars,
waged to enrich the already rich.

Heh! The "poor" in the USA are mostly better off than the "middle class" in
the UK. Virtually all the underclass own a color TV (with no annual tax), a
car, a microwave, a cell phone, and so forth.

Hey you need to get on Google Earth. There's poverty in America to
rival anything in the third word. Try Tuskaloosa for a start. Plenty
of places in the rust belt too. And I suspect they were afraid to go
into the really tough areas.

There are no tent cities in the UK. The gov, gives a house anyone
without .
If you have google earth I can send you some links.

Harry, The UK has a population of a bit less than 52 million and The USA
has a population of a bit less than 311 million. We have more poor
citizens as defined by some government agency than the UK has subjects.
Statistically we have more lunatics than you have. Your perverts may be
of superior quality but we have greater numbers. The State of Texas is
2.9 times the size of your whole country. I'm sorry my friend but our
countries just don't survive a side to side comparison. If you were
referring to the West Alabama city of Tuscaloosa, I know it well, I was
born there back in the middle of the last century. If you have a link to
some source of disparaging material on my birthplace, I'd like to see
it. Heck, I might recognize the people and places. :-)

TDD- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duf, the only thing we have in common with Americans is language.
Don't you think it remarkable that a country so small has had such
influence?

Perverts BTW don't just appear. They are created. Mostly by Hollywood
**** these days.You and I might be able to sit down, watch it and be
able to distinguish factual material from fiction. However there is a
small minority out there that can't and seek to emulate this crap. It
erodes the brain of the simple minded.

Most people are followers, not leaders. You have some very bad leaders
in America and I don't just mean political.

Of course we have some bad leaders and we have a mechanism to rid
ourselves of them with the one weapon they fear the most, an election.
It's unfortunate that the good leaders are often cut down like the
Representative Gabrielle Giffords who is a wonderful lady and the bad
leaders seem to endure because they know darn well someone may be
coming for them so they keep security around. Hell, Ted Kennedy had a
squad of security people surrounding him who carried machine guns. It
strikes me as funny that the anti-gun lawmakers have armed guards
protecting them. We should ask them to give up their armed guards to
show us how bad guns are. Set an example, give up armed guards. :-)

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Hah. You would be hard put to have anybody worse the B-liar or Brown-
the-clown.
We have had a couple of assassination of politicians, Airey Neave and
Earl Mountbatten. Bombs not guns by the IRA, Financed from America.

Well, isn't it true that there are more Irish outside of Ireland than
living in Ireland? :-)

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Exactly so. Most of them in America. America is full of people who are
more interested in the place the came from rather than America.

Well Harry, you and I are cousins. I found a paternal ancestor from
England and of course there are the Ulster Scots who immigrated so
long ago. Then the maternal ancestors from Naples, Italy which makes
me a cousin to every warm blooded creature on the planet. I have these
ancient ancestors The Cave Billies and The Cave Wops, I think there may
be a Cave Limey in there too. :-)

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Well my mother is from Scotland, also there are Irish names in my
background so we might be related.
I read somewhere that all humans alive are descended from about
three(black) woman. So we might be related to heybub.
But no, I think he's descended from Neanderthals. (Caveman Krauts)
Accounts for the fascist streak.

Harry, we're all family, I just can't stand most of my relatives and
the genetic record shows that all modern humans are descended from a
small population of approximately 600 breeding individuals from what
is now central Africa. Funny thing, us White folk are the mutants. :-)

TDD

On Jan 13, 1:48*am, "DGDevin" wrote:
"harry" *wrote in message

...

Pyschiatric treatment is hogwash anyway.
Snake oil vendors.

Aha. *Had some bad experiences along those lines, huh "Harry"?

Heh Heh.
I was a hospital engineer and I covered a nuthouse over here. We had
3000 nuts gathered from most of the North of England. So I have some
experience yes. It's closed now.
When they invented lithium pills the gov. thought they didn't need it.
We keep the nutters in jail now at vast expense. After they done
something instead of before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storthes_Hall

On Jan 13, 2:32*am, LSMFT wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:03:02 -0600, "
*wrote:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:40:30 -0500, *wrote:

Crimes committed by legal gun owners are rare that they're statistically
insignificant

11,000 deaths are insiginificant?

2,000,000 defensive uses of guns are insignificant?

yeah. because they're unnecessary. we're the most heavily armed nation
on earth

and it seems to stop nothing. if guns stop crime, why do we have 2M
uses of them a year, along with 11K deaths?

Suicide bombers have more arms than we do. Those countries are more
armed than we ar.

--
LSMFT

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Oh where do you get this information? You been there?

On Jan 13, 2:58*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:53:44 -0800, "DGDevin"





wrote:

"bpuharic" *wrote in message
.. .

anyone know what 'defend ourselves' means? we have the highest murder
rate in the developed world

Brazil, with very strict gun laws, has a murder rate four times that of
the
U.S.

great. when the US becomes a 3rd world country, let me know

So whenever the facts don't fit your slogan (which is most of the time) you
just move the goalposts, now we're to believe that reaching some arbitrary
level of economic development magically makes violent crime disappear.

so you cant prove brazil is a developed country. and therefore you say
it is, so it is.

uh...what's the per capita income of brazil?

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Have you been there? If not why not keep quiet?

On Jan 13, 6:52*am, "DGDevin" wrote:
"harry" *wrote in message

...

What *load of cobblers. *Proper training would involve someone trying
to kill you. As this clearly isn't possible, niether is training.

Harry, Harry, Harry. *You've already established beyond any reasonable doubt
that you are a bigot, an idiot, and a troll. *There is no need to keep
working at it so hard, your reputation here couldn't be much lower, take a
rest.

If you have never had experience of being shot at, then any training
is worthless because you have never experienced the situation you
might find yourself in. Ergo the training is worthless.
Are you stupid?