A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting them,
unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook Express,
which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them useless for
clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the pieces back
together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

Bob F wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders
(the software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like
this one:
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting
them, unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook
Express, which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them
useless for clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the
pieces back together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links
get split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

OE 6

Seemed to work fine.

On 2/5/2009 1:57 PM Bob F spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this
one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

OE 6

Aha, so that version preserves long URLs. Interesting. Thanks.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

On 2/5/2009 2:18 PM HeyBub spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this
one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting
them, unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook
Express, which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them
useless for clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the
pieces back together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

Outlook Express is not "brain damaged," nor does it mangle links. Give your
Magic 8-Ball (tm) another shake.

I use Outlook Express (6) and your posted link looks and acts as it should.

Well, as evidenced by another poster's test, I stand corrected, at least
for that version. Now we know.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

David Nebenzahl wrote in
s.com:

A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this
one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...ection/Home/Pr
oducts/Catalog/SteelPipeCoatings/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECFTDQSPK6_nid=P
QS9CR5Z5Fbe13QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting
them, unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook
Express, which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them
useless for clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the
pieces back together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.



Works fine with Xnews, but remember there's several servers between you
and I that might mangle things. For the ultimate conveince, you could
use one of those URL redirection tools, and post the original URL as
well. If you only use the URL redirection tool, you might as well turn
on X-No-Archive, too; the result's the same.

Puckdropper
--
On Usenet, no one can hear you laugh. That's a good thing, though, as
some writers are incorrigible.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

On 2/5/2009 3:14 PM Puckdropper spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote in
s.com:

A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this
one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...ection/Home/Pr
oducts/Catalog/SteelPipeCoatings/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECFTDQSPK6_nid=P
QS9CR5Z5Fbe13QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting
them, unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook
Express, which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them
useless for clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the
pieces back together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.

Works fine with Xnews, but remember there's several servers between you
and I that might mangle things.

Since when does a *server* alter the text in a NNTP post? If there's one
that does, then it's severely non-compliant; servers ain't supposed to
do that.

They may do other screwy things, but they don't alter the substantial
content of a message (body and headers). The one exception is Google
Groups, but as we all know, that's not a proper news server anyhow.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:50:04 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl



[snip]

I'm using Forte Agent. The link appears here on one long line (the
other text is wrapped properly).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been
adding spaces.

Where?

And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.

Huh? There are extraneous spaces, but replies below the sig, I can't
confirm.

His post - in its entirety - showed up on my machine as:

*** begin copy ***

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been
adding spaces.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
s.com...
A meta-post: qu estion came up recently here about how ne
wsreaders (the
softwar e you're usi ng to read this po st) h andle l ong
URL s, like this one:

http://sol utions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_
W/CorrosionProtection/Home
/Products/Catalog/SteelPipeCoatings/? C_7_RJH9U5230GE
3E02LECFTDQSPK6_nid =PQS9CR 5Z5Fbe13QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without
splitting them,
unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook
Express,
which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them
useless for
clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the
pieces back
together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such
links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and
say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG
preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I
like it
because it generates considerable business for me in
consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out
there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company
motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

*** end copy ***

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:50:04 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote:

A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting them,
unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook Express,
which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them useless for
clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the pieces back
together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.

Pan, slrn, knode, No problems with links unless you leave off the http://
part "WWW.sample.com" is copy and paste to browser.

On 2/5/2009 8:55 PM RLM spake thus:

Pan, slrn, knode, No problems with links unless you leave off the http://
part "WWW.sample.com" is copy and paste to browser.

That latter link is also clickable in my message text. Tbird implicitly
adds the "http://" part for you.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

David Nebenzahl wrote:
A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this
one:
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting
them, unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook
Express, which splits and otherwise mangles them.

My OE 6.00.2900.5512 handles long URLs just fine.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

David Nebenzahl wrote:
A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this one:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl


I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting them,
unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook Express,
which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them useless for
clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the pieces back
together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.


The problem with links may just be a setting in the news/mail reader. I
was a holdout for Netscape to the bitter end. Just got a new computer,
tried and discarded Mozilla and Opera. Thunderbird works great for me.
There is a setting in T'bird for wrapping text at x number of
characters, using plain text.... that would break up a normal link, it
seems.

Netscape had an "insert" function for links that preserved long links.
I haven't paid attention to the current set-up for T'bird, whether it
sends to newsgroups in plain or html. Looks like plain )

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding spaces.

Where?

And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so that
your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft Outlook
Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts *everything*
in the post below your reply into the sig, which means that only your
reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of your postings.


Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think) who
posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability the
posts are formatted as you describe.

George wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding
spaces.

Where?

And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.
Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think)
who posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability
the posts are formatted as you describe.

You are ALSO posting via Thunderbird.

Are we seeing a trend here?

How about firing up OE on your machine to see if the same phenomenon
presents itself.

On Feb 6, 9:49*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
George wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding
spaces.

Where?

And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.
Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think)
who posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability
the posts are formatted as you describe.

You are ALSO posting via Thunderbird.

Are we seeing a trend here?

How about firing up OE on your machine to see if the same phenomenon
presents itself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Google Groups here. The long link is OK and I don't see any problem
with Stormin's post. Maybe time for someone to rethink which client
is brain damaged.

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:59:21 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

[snip]


Since when does a *server* alter the text in a NNTP post?

A lot of free ones add their spam.

If there's one
that does, then it's severely non-compliant; servers ain't supposed to
do that.

They may do other screwy things, but they don't alter the substantial
content of a message (body and headers). The one exception is Google
Groups, but as we all know, that's not a proper news server anyhow.

I'd never post anything with Google.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

On Feb 5, 3:50*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:

snip

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.

Using Google Groups with Safari on iMac running Leopard OS. FWIW, the
URL popped up almost instantly.

Joe

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:14:37 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:07:48 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

I'm using Forte Agent. The link appears here on one long line (the
other text is wrapped properly).

The link did not wrap in my Agent:


Are you saying it did in mine? I said it did not wrap.

The OTHER text wrapped (words are significant).

I put the link in a text editor and it showed 167 columns, Did a word
wrap in it was 45 columns Broke into three lines.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

David Nebenzahl wrote:
A meta-post: question came up recently here about how newsreaders (the
software you're using to read this post) handle long URLs, like this
one:
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3...1 3QRJVC6DLgl

I'm using Thunderbird which preserves long URLs without splitting
them, unlike what I call "brain-damaged" news clients like Outlook
Express, which splits and otherwise mangles them. This makes them
useless for clicking on, requiring the reader to copy and paste the
pieces back together; pain in the ass.

But this is on the sending end. The question is whether such links get
split up when they're read.

If your newsreader splits this URL, could you post here and say what
your newsreader is?

And what about Google Groups readers? I assume that GG preserves such
links, but don't know for sure.

Not split; works fine here.
OE6.

It's not OE that "splits" the links; it's a case of improperly set
defaults. I use a combo of FF and TB along with IE7/OE6 but each have
their plusses & minusses. Actually I've quit using TB & should
uninstall it; I just tried it because I had downloaded FF again to
fiddle with.

HTH

Twayne

wrote:
On Feb 6, 9:49 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
George wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:
I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding
spaces.
Where?
And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.
Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think)
who posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability
the posts are formatted as you describe.
You are ALSO posting via Thunderbird.

Are we seeing a trend here?

How about firing up OE on your machine to see if the same phenomenon
presents itself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Google Groups here. The long link is OK and I don't see any problem
with Stormin's post. Maybe time for someone to rethink which client
is brain damaged.

I just checked using Google groups and "Stormin Mormans" post is broken
there too just as David described.

I might suggest that OE is brain damaged because it defaults to top
posting for everything. Top posting makes sense for one to one
correspondence in email but it breaks the idea of threading which works
nicely in newsgroups. This is especially true in this group where 99.5%
of the posts are bottom posted. Its like one person on the interstate
deciding they would really like to drive north in the south bound lane.

On 2/6/2009 6:55 AM spake thus:

On Feb 6, 9:49 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

George wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding
spaces.

Where?

And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.
Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think)
who posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability
the posts are formatted as you describe.

You are ALSO posting via Thunderbird.

Are we seeing a trend here?

How about firing up OE on your machine to see if the same phenomenon
presents itself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Google Groups here. The long link is OK and I don't see any problem
with Stormin's post. Maybe time for someone to rethink which client
is brain damaged.

It's OE. Outlook plays by Microsoft's made-up "rules" for formatting
emails and Usenet posts, which are different from the long-standing and
agreed-upon ones used by *every other mail/news client*, which is why
Stormin's malformatted posts look OK when viewed by the same software
which generated them.

More proof of brain damage is the oft-seen text above, "- Show quoted
text -", probably a result of concurrent brain damage between Google
Groups and Outhouse Express.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

On 2/6/2009 11:07 AM spake thus:

On Feb 6, 1:45 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/6/2009 6:55 AM spake thus:

On Feb 6, 9:49 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

George wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding
spaces.

Where?

And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.
Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think)
who posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability
the posts are formatted as you describe.

You are ALSO posting via Thunderbird.

Are we seeing a trend here?

How about firing up OE on your machine to see if the same phenomenon
presents itself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Google Groups here. The long link is OK and I don't see any problem
with Stormin's post. Maybe time for someone to rethink which client
is brain damaged.

It's OE. Outlook plays by Microsoft's made-up "rules" for formatting
emails and Usenet posts, which are different from the long-standing and
agreed-upon ones used by *every other mail/news client*, which is why
Stormin's malformatted posts look OK when viewed by the same software
which generated them.

I thought I just saw a couple replies from people using OE that said
the link was fine.

Yes, the link came out fine (not truncated or chopped) in OE 6. That's
not the issue; what was being discussed here was how Stormin' Mormon's
posts contained the quoted text below his sig, which made them disappear
when replied to with any standards-compliant client (not OE).

Do try to keep up.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

On 2/6/2009 9:57 AM George spake thus:

wrote:

On Feb 6, 9:49 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

George wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding
spaces.

Where?
And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.

Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think)
who posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability
the posts are formatted as you describe.

You are ALSO posting via Thunderbird.

Are we seeing a trend here?

How about firing up OE on your machine to see if the same phenomenon
presents itself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Google Groups here. The long link is OK and I don't see any problem
with Stormin's post. Maybe time for someone to rethink which client
is brain damaged.

I just checked using Google groups and "Stormin Mormans" post is broken
there too just as David described.

I might suggest that OE is brain damaged because it defaults to top
posting for everything. Top posting makes sense for one to one
correspondence in email but it breaks the idea of threading which works
nicely in newsgroups. This is especially true in this group where 99.5%
of the posts are bottom posted. Its like one person on the interstate
deciding they would really like to drive north in the south bound lane.

Thank you, and I agree. However, in fairness, OE isn't necessarily
brain-damaged *in this instance*, because one can change its top-posting
behavior, as evidenced by many posters here who use it and who bottom
post. (It shouldn't default to top-posting, I agree, but that's a
different rant for a different day.)


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

David Nebenzahl wrote:

It's OE. Outlook plays by Microsoft's made-up "rules" for formatting
emails and Usenet posts, which are different from the long-standing
and agreed-upon ones used by *every other mail/news client*, which is
why Stormin's malformatted posts look OK when viewed by the same
software which generated them.

More proof of brain damage is the oft-seen text above, "- Show quoted
text -", probably a result of concurrent brain damage between Google
Groups and Outhouse Express.

Microsoft runs on 90%+ of the world's computers and most of those folks use
OE or Outlook or Vista's Windows Mail program. Microsoft is, therefore, the
"keeper of the standard." It is incumbent upon the wannabes to conform to
the way Microsoft does things, not the other way 'round. "*Every other
mail/news client*" don't make up 10% of the world's effort.

As to the "Show quoted text" you never see that on my posts. Again, I think
you may be blaming Microsoft for something that is really the fault of those
who refuse to conform to Microsoft's standards.

I don't want you to think that just because I own a ****-load of Microsoft
stock (quarterly divident checks are running $2,400), I will defend them no
matter what. I'll be the first to jump down their throat when they do
something inexcusable.

Fortunately, that has never happened...

On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:00:12 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:14:37 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:07:48 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

I'm using Forte Agent. The link appears here on one long line (the
other text is wrapped properly).

The link did not wrap in my Agent:


Are you saying it did in mine? I said it did not wrap.

No, I was saying my Agent did not wrap the link. Same as yours.

The OTHER text wrapped (words are significant).

I put the link in a text editor and it showed 167 columns, Did a word
wrap in it was 45 columns Broke into three lines.

wrote in message
...
On Feb 6, 1:45 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/6/2009 6:55 AM spake thus:







On Feb 6, 9:49 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

George wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 2/5/2009 4:59 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

I think your news reading program needs help. It's been adding
spaces.

Where?

And speaking of needing help, could you *please* fix your setup so
that your posts come out properly? Your mail/news client (Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512) is really screwing them up; it puts
*everything* in the post below your reply into the sig, which means
that only your reply (above) gets quoted when you reply to one of
your postings.
Yes, same thing here. Aside from being the only top poster (I think)
who posts to this group which really breaks threads and readability
the posts are formatted as you describe.

You are ALSO posting via Thunderbird.

Are we seeing a trend here?

How about firing up OE on your machine to see if the same phenomenon
presents itself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Google Groups here. The long link is OK and I don't see any problem
with Stormin's post. Maybe time for someone to rethink which client
is brain damaged.

It's OE. Outlook plays by Microsoft's made-up "rules" for formatting
emails and Usenet posts, which are different from the long-standing and
agreed-upon ones used by *every other mail/news client*, which is why
Stormin's malformatted posts look OK when viewed by the same software
which generated them.


I thought I just saw a couple replies from people using OE that said
the link was fine.

You did...I use Microsoft Mail and it's fine...Some just suffer from
MDS...(Microsoft Derangement Syndrome)...LOL...






More proof of brain damage is the oft-seen text above, "- Show quoted
text -", probably a result of concurrent brain damage between Google
Groups and Outhouse Express.

--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

HeyBub wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:
It's OE. Outlook plays by Microsoft's made-up "rules" for formatting
emails and Usenet posts, which are different from the long-standing
and agreed-upon ones used by *every other mail/news client*, which is
why Stormin's malformatted posts look OK when viewed by the same
software which generated them.

More proof of brain damage is the oft-seen text above, "- Show quoted
text -", probably a result of concurrent brain damage between Google
Groups and Outhouse Express.

Microsoft runs on 90%+ of the world's computers and most of those folks use
OE or Outlook or Vista's Windows Mail program. Microsoft is, therefore, the
"keeper of the standard." It is incumbent upon the wannabes to conform to
the way Microsoft does things, not the other way 'round. "*Every other
mail/news client*" don't make up 10% of the world's effort.


But thats hardly accurate. Microsoft has frequently been a "wannabe" and
found itself chasing the taillights of others. They completely missed
the idea of the Internet and scrambled to cobble IE together. They had
to use the common and standards based TCP/IP and DNS for connectivity
because their methods were extremely desktop centric and woefully
lacking. Currently they have been chasing Googles taillights for years
because they completely missed the idea that powerful search tools would
be a key and lucrative thing.


As to the "Show quoted text" you never see that on my posts. Again, I think
you may be blaming Microsoft for something that is really the fault of those
who refuse to conform to Microsoft's standards.

I don't want you to think that just because I own a ****-load of Microsoft
stock (quarterly divident checks are running $2,400), I will defend them no
matter what. I'll be the first to jump down their throat when they do
something inexcusable.

Fortunately, that has never happened...

George wrote:

Microsoft runs on 90%+ of the world's computers and most of those
folks use OE or Outlook or Vista's Windows Mail program. Microsoft
is, therefore, the "keeper of the standard." It is incumbent upon
the wannabes to conform to the way Microsoft does things, not the
other way 'round. "*Every other mail/news client*" don't make up 10%
of the world's effort.


But thats hardly accurate. Microsoft has frequently been a "wannabe"
and found itself chasing the taillights of others. They completely
missed the idea of the Internet and scrambled to cobble IE together.
They had to use the common and standards based TCP/IP and DNS for
connectivity because their methods were extremely desktop centric and
woefully lacking. Currently they have been chasing Googles taillights
for years because they completely missed the idea that powerful
search tools would be a key and lucrative thing.


You are correct that in some areas Microsoft has had to play catch-up. In
some of those cases (Internet Explorer vs. Netscape), Microsoft won the game
and gets to keep the ball. In other areas, such as search engines, the
'game' is more like a Rugby scrum, with Microsoft refusing to concede
defeat. In the case of newsreaders, Google may be advancing the ball; but
not entirely because of its expertiese. Recall that Google got into this
area by the simple expedient of purchasing Deja News in 2001.

Still, Microsoft probably has more experts - designers, technicians,
psychologists, artists, PhD mathematicians, programmers, system designers,
herbalists, etc. - working on computer compatability and usage issues than
there are employees in the National Bureau of Standards.