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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm



This came from hallerb a regular in the group. It works wonderfully, cheap
and easy. I think you will be amazed with the results, I was.

Cheri

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From hallerb


"muriatic acid placed carefully will clean out the interior passages of
the toilet 20 minutes and 10 bucks if you need saftety glasses.

safe effective fast and cheap. works amazingly well as another poster
reported here, I am the one who told him about it

when you flush the toilet actually creates a wave that moves the waste
solids into the large bottom drain & trap.

but you must have enough flow to start the wave, over time sediment
builds up in the interior water passages bowl rim ald slows the flow of
fresh water. at some point stuff just swirls around....

watch under the bowl rim, often gunk built up clogging the exit holes.

you can use a coathanger end to open the holes some but the sediment
still fills the bowl rim and cant be reached.

Directions:

put on safety glasses, plunge drain bowl water, sponge is good idea
so bowl is completely empty tank water can remain as is.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel. and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.

then return and flush about 15 times to dilute all remaing acid. you
will see brown goo, thats the melted sediment.

this really works, and can be repeated if need be."
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. *I am
hoping that a Drano *like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Your wife has a dedicated toilet? Maybe bran muffins are the answer.


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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Does it every flush properly? Mine was always sluggish; I pulled it and
found a pill vial stuck in the trap.

I wouldn't pour hydochloric acid in my toilet without something more
authoritative than a post here. I can't picture sediment building up, and I
don't know what HCl will do to your plumbing.


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On Sep 29, 11:10*am, NSN wrote:
My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. *I am
hoping that a Drano *like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


My parents had that problem, it was to much toilet paper. One square
is all she should get. Try raising the water level.


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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Does it every flush properly? Mine was always sluggish; I pulled it and
found a pill vial stuck in the trap.

I wouldn't pour hydochloric acid in my toilet without something more
authoritative than a post here. I can't picture sediment building up, and I
don't know what HCl will do to your plumbing.


You're applying the acid to a porcelain item, where it certainly won't
do any harm in 15 minutes, and then you're flushing it in very dilute
form down the lines. If you're particularly paranoid, after the
treatment flush once normally and immediately follow with a 5gal bucket
full of baking soda solution to neutralize. Wait a few min and then do
the rest of the flushing to clear everything well down the line.
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:10:49 -0700, NSN wrote:

My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Drano or another like product will poison your wife. Look for other
options.

(c;|

Sugar free chocolate, maybe, more fiber.

Some of the newer toilets that use less water will suck a small child down
the drain.

Check out a replacement at the Big Box Stores in your area. That's for a
replacement toilet, not a replacement wife.

I sure hope this helps. It has done wonders for me.

See you back at the ward! I only have day privilege for now.
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Does it every flush properly? Mine was always sluggish; I pulled it and
found a pill vial stuck in the trap.

I wouldn't pour hydochloric acid in my toilet without something more
authoritative than a post here. I can't picture sediment building up,
and I
don't know what HCl will do to your plumbing.


You're applying the acid to a porcelain item, where it certainly won't
do any harm in 15 minutes, and then you're flushing it in very dilute
form down the lines. If you're particularly paranoid, after the
treatment flush once normally and immediately follow with a 5gal bucket
full of baking soda solution to neutralize. Wait a few min and then do
the rest of the flushing to clear everything well down the line.


I did a search on "muriatic acid" and toilet, and came up with the
following. I still wouldn't use acid.


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NSN wrote:
My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Does it have that little hole in front of the big hole?


giggle

Sometimes that
gets clogged with deposits.


heehee

You need that clear to start the siphon action


hahahah

after you flush on that type toilet.


oh...


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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm



This came from hallerb a regular in the group. It works wonderfully, cheap
and easy. I think you will be amazed with the results, I was.

Cheri

==================
From hallerb


"muriatic acid placed carefully will clean out the interior passages of
the toilet 20 minutes and 10 bucks if you need saftety glasses.

safe effective fast and cheap. works amazingly well as another poster
reported here, I am the one who told him about it

when you flush the toilet actually creates a wave that moves the waste
solids into the large bottom drain & trap.

but you must have enough flow to start the wave, over time sediment
builds up in the interior water passages bowl rim ald slows the flow of
fresh water. at some point stuff just swirls around....

watch under the bowl rim, often gunk built up clogging the exit holes.

you can use a coathanger end to open the holes some but the sediment
still fills the bowl rim and cant be reached.

Directions:

put on safety glasses, plunge drain bowl water, sponge is good idea
so bowl is completely empty tank water can remain as is.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel. and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.

then return and flush about 15 times to dilute all remaing acid. you
will see brown goo, thats the melted sediment.

this really works, and can be repeated if need be."
.



Ouch! Muriatic acid on porecelein?!!! The acid will etch the toilet,
causing more friction and more cleaning, who needs that? Other than
that, muriatic acid is a safety issue.


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jack wrote:

"NSN" wrote in message
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Does it every flush properly? Mine was always sluggish; I pulled it and
found a pill vial stuck in the trap.

I wouldn't pour hydochloric acid in my toilet without something more
authoritative than a post here. I can't picture sediment building up, and I
don't know what HCl will do to your plumbing.


You're applying the acid to a porcelain item, where it certainly won't
do any harm in 15 minutes, and then you're flushing it in very dilute
form down the lines. If you're particularly paranoid, after the
treatment flush once normally and immediately follow with a 5gal bucket
full of baking soda solution to neutralize. Wait a few min and then do
the rest of the flushing to clear everything well down the line.



The acid will immediately attack the porcelain. HCl is a very strong
acid, even when diluted. "Strong acid" means it is very reactive.
Better to use a plunger and if that doesn't work a snake.
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jack wrote:

"NSN" wrote in message
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Does it every flush properly? Mine was always sluggish; I pulled it and
found a pill vial stuck in the trap.

I wouldn't pour hydochloric acid in my toilet without something more
authoritative than a post here. I can't picture sediment building up, and I
don't know what HCl will do to your plumbing.


You're applying the acid to a porcelain item, where it certainly won't
do any harm in 15 minutes, and then you're flushing it in very dilute
form down the lines. If you're particularly paranoid, after the
treatment flush once normally and immediately follow with a 5gal bucket
full of baking soda solution to neutralize. Wait a few min and then do
the rest of the flushing to clear everything well down the line.


The acid will immediately attack the porcelain.


So will **** or vomit.

HCl is a very strong
acid, even when diluted. "Strong acid" means it is very reactive.


The exposure time is what matters and 15min is not an issue, even for a
"strong acid".

Better to use a plunger and if that doesn't work a snake.


Better to re-read where the acid is to be used, and why a plunger or
snake have zero applicability there.
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"NSN" wrote in message
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm



This came from hallerb a regular in the group. It works wonderfully, cheap
and easy. I think you will be amazed with the results, I was.

Cheri

==================
From hallerb


"muriatic acid placed carefully will clean out the interior passages of
the toilet 20 minutes and 10 bucks if you need saftety glasses.

safe effective fast and cheap. works amazingly well as another poster
reported here, I am the one who told him about it

when you flush the toilet actually creates a wave that moves the waste
solids into the large bottom drain & trap.

but you must have enough flow to start the wave, over time sediment
builds up in the interior water passages bowl rim ald slows the flow of
fresh water. at some point stuff just swirls around....

watch under the bowl rim, often gunk built up clogging the exit holes.

you can use a coathanger end to open the holes some but the sediment
still fills the bowl rim and cant be reached.

Directions:

put on safety glasses, plunge drain bowl water, sponge is good idea
so bowl is completely empty tank water can remain as is.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel.
and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.

then return and flush about 15 times to dilute all remaing acid. you
will see brown goo, thats the melted sediment.

this really works, and can be repeated if need be."
.



Ouch! Muriatic acid on porecelein?!!! The acid will etch the toilet,
causing more friction and more cleaning, who needs that? Other than
that, muriatic acid is a safety issue.


No, it does not etch the porcelain, and it's not a safety issue either. I
have done it twice in the past three years, and the only thing that happens
is that your toilet flushes like it's supposed to, and you have a sparkling
clean toilet.


Cheri


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On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:43:26 -0700, "Cheri" gserviceatlodinetdotcom
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"NSN" wrote in message
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


This came from hallerb a regular in the group. It works wonderfully, cheap
and easy. I think you will be amazed with the results, I was.

Cheri

==================
From hallerb


"muriatic acid placed carefully will clean out the interior passages of
the toilet 20 minutes and 10 bucks if you need saftety glasses.

safe effective fast and cheap. works amazingly well as another poster
reported here, I am the one who told him about it

when you flush the toilet actually creates a wave that moves the waste
solids into the large bottom drain & trap.

but you must have enough flow to start the wave, over time sediment
builds up in the interior water passages bowl rim ald slows the flow of
fresh water. at some point stuff just swirls around....

watch under the bowl rim, often gunk built up clogging the exit holes.

you can use a coathanger end to open the holes some but the sediment
still fills the bowl rim and cant be reached.

Directions:

put on safety glasses, plunge drain bowl water, sponge is good idea
so bowl is completely empty tank water can remain as is.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel.
and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.

then return and flush about 15 times to dilute all remaing acid. you
will see brown goo, thats the melted sediment.

this really works, and can be repeated if need be."
.



Ouch! Muriatic acid on porecelein?!!! The acid will etch the toilet,
causing more friction and more cleaning, who needs that? Other than
that, muriatic acid is a safety issue.


No, it does not etch the porcelain, and it's not a safety issue either. I
have done it twice in the past three years, and the only thing that happens
is that your toilet flushes like it's supposed to, and you have a sparkling
clean toilet.


Cheri


I've followed this advice, and it works without adverse effect on the
bowl. I shorten the time as the acid works fast.
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The acid will immediately attack the porcelain.


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Absolutely false. Chemistry labs for eons have used porcelain items
for working with string acids. Strong alkali, like sodium hydroxide,
is a different matter entirely, and will easily etch a glazed surface
and slowly attack some porcelain artifacts. HTH

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Your wife has a dedicated toilet? *Maybe bran muffins are the answer.

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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
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me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Muriatic Acid is a strong, corrosive, inorganic acid (HCl), manufactured by
absorbing hydrogen chloride in water. It is one of the most corrosive of
acids, and is particularly destructive to cellulose, breaking the cellulose
chain into even smaller units, resulting ultimately in its complete
hydrolysis. It is the same chemical as Hydrochloric Acid.

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet for more info

Google muriatic acid toilet and get 36,000 hits.

Note the above about cellulose, If some paper is sticking, it will take
care of it.


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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Her own toilet, you can't use it, but she wants you to pull her **** out of
it,...hmmmm. How bout "Yer toilet, yer ass, yer ****, yer problem."

Pump 'er ass full of hydraulic cement.

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Does the bowl fill slowly? Or does it fill, and then the water stays in the
bowl?

If the water fills up high and drains slowly, please consider trying a
closet auger.

http://www.google.com/products?q=closet+auger+&hl=en

You get about what you pay for, the eight dollar ones are weak, and tend to
twist and get ruined. The Ridgid one for $25 works nicely. High water and
slow draining, sometimes the drain gets partly closed.

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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


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Window open, to get lots of fresh air. As you'll be creating a big cloud of
carbon dioxide. A couple Tums or Rolaids will help neutralize acid.

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If you're particularly paranoid, after the
treatment flush once normally and immediately follow with a 5gal bucket
full of baking soda solution to neutralize. Wait a few min and then do
the rest of the flushing to clear everything well down the line.




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Would you quote to me from the original poster's question? What did he write
that implies snake or plunger are zero applicability? He did say he uses the
plunger occasionally. Must be working somewhat.

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Better to use a plunger and if that doesn't work a snake.


Better to re-read where the acid is to be used, and why a plunger or
snake have zero applicability there.


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On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:10:28 -0700 (PDT), Joe wrote:

On Sep 29, 3:43*pm, Phisherman wrote:

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The acid will immediately attack the porcelain.


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Absolutely false. Chemistry labs for eons have used porcelain items
for working with string acids. Strong alkali, like sodium hydroxide,
is a different matter entirely, and will easily etch a glazed surface
and slowly attack some porcelain artifacts. HTH

Joe


Acids can attack non white porcelain.
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
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me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Just to point out that just about 20 years ago when you said the toilet was
installed, many jurisdictions started requiring the use of Water Saver
toilets. These toilets used about 3.5 gallons of water instead of the
approximately 5.5 gallons of the older toilets. And just like the current
low-flow (1.6 gallon) toilets, the first of the 3.5 ones were not ready for
prime time, so they didn't work very well. You may have one of them. If
so, there is not much you can do other than 1) raise the level of the water
in the tank to close to the top of the fill tube and 2) hold the handle down
until you get a complete flush (or replace the flapper with one that is
designed to close slower).
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

Would you quote to me from the original poster's question? What did he write
that implies snake or plunger are zero applicability?


Read the post below of the how to use the acid and then tell me how
exactly you would utilize a plunger or snake to clear the internal flush
water passages in the toilet.


From hallerb


"muriatic acid placed carefully will clean out the interior passages of
the toilet 20 minutes and 10 bucks if you need saftety glasses.

safe effective fast and cheap. works amazingly well as another poster
reported here, I am the one who told him about it

when you flush the toilet actually creates a wave that moves the waste
solids into the large bottom drain & trap.

but you must have enough flow to start the wave, over time sediment
builds up in the interior water passages bowl rim ald slows the flow of
fresh water. at some point stuff just swirls around....

watch under the bowl rim, often gunk built up clogging the exit holes.

you can use a coathanger end to open the holes some but the sediment
still fills the bowl rim and cant be reached.

Directions:

put on safety glasses, plunge drain bowl water, sponge is good idea
so bowl is completely empty tank water can remain as is.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel. and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.

then return and flush about 15 times to dilute all remaing acid. you
will see brown goo, thats the melted sediment.

this really works, and can be repeated if need be."

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Window open, to get lots of fresh air. As you'll be creating a big cloud of
carbon dioxide. A couple Tums or Rolaids will help neutralize acid.


The first flush will move most of the acid downstream, so the subsequent
bucket flush with baking soda solution will be doing it's neutralizing
in the pipes where the CO2 produces will exit the vent stack.


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If you're particularly paranoid, after the
treatment flush once normally and immediately follow with a 5gal bucket
full of baking soda solution to neutralize. Wait a few min and then do
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me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Muriatic Acid is a strong, corrosive, inorganic acid (HCl), manufactured by
absorbing hydrogen chloride in water. It is one of the most corrosive of
acids, and is particularly destructive to cellulose, breaking the cellulose
chain into even smaller units, resulting ultimately in its complete
hydrolysis. It is the same chemical as Hydrochloric Acid.

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet for more info


This link states NOT to use muriatic acid IF on a septic system. Said
to kill the necessary bacteria. Instead use a septic safe product.

Something not mentioned prior to your link.

Google muriatic acid toilet and get 36,000 hits.

Note the above about cellulose, If some paper is sticking, it will take
care of it.

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On Sep 30, 2:49�pm, Oren wrote:
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. �I am
hoping that a Drano �like product can be used.


Thanks in advance.


Norm


Muriatic Acid is a strong, corrosive, inorganic acid (HCl), manufactured by
absorbing hydrogen chloride in water. It is one of the most corrosive of
acids, and is particularly destructive to cellulose, breaking the cellulose
chain into even smaller units, resulting ultimately in its complete
hydrolysis. It is the same chemical as Hydrochloric Acid.


http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet�for more info


This link states NOT to use muriatic acid IF on a septic system. Said
to kill the necessary bacteria. Instead use a septic safe product.

Something not mentioned prior to your link.



Google � � �muriatic acid toilet � � �and get 36,000 hits.


Note the above about cellulose, �If some paper is sticking, it will take
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Hi I am hallerb and have used muriatic acid on several slow toilets
with no bad effects. other than they flush fine when your done

as long as the toilet flushes solids properly with a bucket of water,
then the acid should work.

you can use CLR or even vinegar, but thats slow expensive and not
nearly as effective.

hard water clogs the interior bowl rim passages, slowing the wave
action that actually creates the flush.

people with this problem have several choices.

use a bucket to flush solids

replace the toilet with a new one.

or use acid.

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On Sep 30, 2:49?pm, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:12:23 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:







"NSN" wrote in message
.. .
My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. ?I am
hoping that a Drano ?like product can be used.


Thanks in advance.


Norm


Muriatic Acid is a strong, corrosive, inorganic acid (HCl), manufactured by
absorbing hydrogen chloride in water. It is one of the most corrosive of
acids, and is particularly destructive to cellulose, breaking the cellulose
chain into even smaller units, resulting ultimately in its complete
hydrolysis. It is the same chemical as Hydrochloric Acid.


http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet?for more info


This link states NOT to use muriatic acid IF on a septic system. Said
to kill the necessary bacteria. Instead use a septic safe product.

Something not mentioned prior to your link.



Google ? ? ?muriatic acid toilet ? ? ?and get 36,000 hits.


Note the above about cellulose, ?If some paper is sticking, it will take
care of it.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Hi I am hallerb and have used muriatic acid on several slow toilets
with no bad effects. other than they flush fine when your done

as long as the toilet flushes solids properly with a bucket of water,
then the acid should work.

you can use CLR or even vinegar, but thats slow expensive and not
nearly as effective.

hard water clogs the interior bowl rim passages, slowing the wave
action that actually creates the flush.

people with this problem have several choices.

use a bucket to flush solids

replace the toilet with a new one.

or use acid.


I've used this (your) acid trick and about to do it again.

What about septic tanks, acid, etc.?
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:36:50 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
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NSN wrote:
My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Children's toys have been known to lodge out of sight in the toilet trap.


So do female products. Prison Visiting Rooms are the worse.
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On Sep 30, 5:44�pm, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:07:30 -0700 (PDT), "





wrote:
On Sep 30, 2:49?pm, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:12:23 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"NSN" wrote in message
.. .
My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. ?I am
hoping that a Drano ?like product can be used.


Thanks in advance.


Norm


Muriatic Acid is a strong, corrosive, inorganic acid (HCl), manufactured by
absorbing hydrogen chloride in water. It is one of the most corrosive of
acids, and is particularly destructive to cellulose, breaking the cellulose
chain into even smaller units, resulting ultimately in its complete
hydrolysis. It is the same chemical as Hydrochloric Acid.


http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet?formore info


This link states NOT to use muriatic acid IF on a septic system. Said
to kill the necessary bacteria. Instead use a septic safe product.


Something not mentioned prior to your link.


Google ? ? ?muriatic acid toilet ? ? ?and get 36,000 hits.


Note the above about cellulose, ?If some paper is sticking, it will take
care of it.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Hi I am hallerb and have used muriatic acid on several slow toilets
with no bad effects. other than they flush fine when your done


as long as the toilet flushes solids properly with a bucket of water,
then the acid should work.


you can use CLR or even vinegar, but thats slow expensive and not
nearly as effective.


hard water clogs the interior bowl rim passages, slowing the wave
action that actually creates the flush.


people with this problem have several choices.


use a bucket to flush solids


replace the toilet with a new one.


or use acid.


I've used this (your) �acid trick and about to do it again.

What about septic tanks, acid, etc.?- Hide quoted text -

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i dont think acid and septics are a good idea.

better to pull the toilet, do the acid treatmenty outdoors, flush well
with hose, and replace toilet.

when doing toliet, I always flush repeatedly at least 10 times
afterward.

you could also tape all the drain holes shut and use vinegar
oivernite.

frankly ithe acid is quick easy cheap and effective


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Oren wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:07:30 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sep 30, 2:49?pm, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:12:23 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:







"NSN" wrote in message
.. .
My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. ?I am
hoping that a Drano ?like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm

Muriatic Acid is a strong, corrosive, inorganic acid (HCl), manufactured by
absorbing hydrogen chloride in water. It is one of the most corrosive of
acids, and is particularly destructive to cellulose, breaking the cellulose
chain into even smaller units, resulting ultimately in its complete
hydrolysis. It is the same chemical as Hydrochloric Acid.

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Slow-Toilet?for more info

This link states NOT to use muriatic acid IF on a septic system. Said
to kill the necessary bacteria. Instead use a septic safe product.

Something not mentioned prior to your link.



Google ? ? ?muriatic acid toilet ? ? ?and get 36,000 hits.

Note the above about cellulose, ?If some paper is sticking, it will take
care of it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Hi I am hallerb and have used muriatic acid on several slow toilets
with no bad effects. other than they flush fine when your done

as long as the toilet flushes solids properly with a bucket of water,
then the acid should work.

you can use CLR or even vinegar, but thats slow expensive and not
nearly as effective.

hard water clogs the interior bowl rim passages, slowing the wave
action that actually creates the flush.

people with this problem have several choices.

use a bucket to flush solids

replace the toilet with a new one.

or use acid.


I've used this (your) acid trick and about to do it again.

What about septic tanks, acid, etc.?


I'd be cautious on the quantity, but the small amount of acid relative
to 1,000gal or more volume in the septic tank shouldn't be a problem.
Doing the baking soda flush would add another level of safety.

If you're really paranoid, remove the toilet and do the whole acid flush
thing in the back yard using a garden hose to fill the tank. Do the
baking soda thing to neutralize the acid on the ground and flush well
with the hose.
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better to pull the toilet, do the acid treatmenty outdoors, flush well
with hose, and replace toilet.

when doing toliet, I always flush repeatedly at least 10 times
afterward.

you could also tape all the drain holes shut and use vinegar
oivernite.

frankly ithe acid is quick easy cheap and effective

==========

Yes, it works very well, and is easy and cheap. As I said before, I had all
the lines snaked by Roto-somebody, at a cost of close to $300.00 and still
the toilet wasn't running freely. After your treatment, it was like a
"miracle in a bowl" LOL
and the toilet really is sparkling clean afterward with all that gunk out of
those little holes. The only thing that you have to be careful about is not
splashing on yourself, and as you say open the window. I put a portable fan
in the bathroom before I started, opened the window, and turned the fan on
on my way out. Really, not much smell left at all afterwards.

Cheri


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better to pull the toilet, do the acid treatmenty outdoors, flush well
with hose, and replace toilet.

when doing toliet, I always flush repeatedly at least 10 times
afterward.

you could also tape all the drain holes shut and use vinegar
oivernite.

frankly ithe acid is quick easy cheap and effective

==========

Yes, it works very well, and is easy and cheap. As I said before, I had all
the lines snaked by Roto-somebody, at a cost of close to $300.00 and still
the toilet wasn't running freely. After your treatment, it was like a
"miracle in a bowl" LOL
and the toilet really is sparkling clean afterward with all that gunk out of
those little holes. The only thing that you have to be careful about is not
splashing on yourself, and as you say open the window. I put a portable fan
in the bathroom before I started, opened the window, and turned the fan on
on my way out. Really, not much smell left at all afterwards.

Cheri


So what do you do with the left over acid?
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This came from hallerb a regular in the group. It works wonderfully, cheap
and easy. I think you will be amazed with the results, I was.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel. and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.



"Put funnel in dip tube"? What's the dip tube?



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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:43:50 -0400, "Marilyn & Bob"
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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger. It is an American Standard, 20 years old. Could someone point
me to a "how to" article on this subject or offer suggestions. I am
hoping that a Drano like product can be used.

Thanks in advance.

Norm


Just to point out that just about 20 years ago when you said the toilet was
installed, many jurisdictions started requiring the use of Water Saver
toilets. These toilets used about 3.5 gallons of water instead of the
approximately 5.5 gallons of the older toilets. And just like the current
low-flow (1.6 gallon) toilets, the first of the 3.5 ones were not ready for
prime time, so they didn't work very well. You may have one of them. If
so, there is not much you can do other than 1) raise the level of the water
in the tank to close to the top of the fill tube and 2) hold the handle down
until you get a complete flush (or replace the flapper with one that is
designed to close slower).


Yes, it is a water-saver model. Color is ivory. Most of the time it
is OK but with a "heavy load" it blocks up partially. Thanks for the
closet auger suggestion. Are any of the Drano like products worth
trying?


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save for future use? flush it down the drain? give to a friend for his
or her toilet? besides you can buy small containers and its cheap.

its not a violent reaction, muriatic acid is also used to clean brick

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Cheri wrote:
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This came from hallerb a regular in the group. It works wonderfully,
cheap
and easy. I think you will be amazed with the results, I was.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel.
and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.



"Put funnel in dip tube"? What's the dip tube?


In the tank, where the little tube that returns the water is connected. It
would be the only place that a funnel would fit, so it's easily identified.
:-)

Cheri

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Stormin Mormon wrote:

Would you quote to me from the original poster's question? What did he
write
that implies snake or plunger are zero applicability?


Read the post below of the how to use the acid and then tell me how
exactly you would utilize a plunger or snake to clear the internal flush
water passages in the toilet.


From hallerb


"muriatic acid placed carefully will clean out the interior passages of
the toilet 20 minutes and 10 bucks if you need saftety glasses.

safe effective fast and cheap. works amazingly well as another poster
reported here, I am the one who told him about it

when you flush the toilet actually creates a wave that moves the waste
solids into the large bottom drain & trap.

but you must have enough flow to start the wave, over time sediment
builds up in the interior water passages bowl rim ald slows the flow of
fresh water. at some point stuff just swirls around....

watch under the bowl rim, often gunk built up clogging the exit holes.

you can use a coathanger end to open the holes some but the sediment
still fills the bowl rim and cant be reached.

Directions:

put on safety glasses, plunge drain bowl water, sponge is good idea
so bowl is completely empty tank water can remain as is.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel. and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.

then return and flush about 15 times to dilute all remaing acid. you
will see brown goo, thats the melted sediment.

this really works, and can be repeated if need be."



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Nice try at changing the subject.


That is the subject, it is the quoted post that referred to using the
acid. Nowhere else in this thread was there a reference to using acid to
clean the toilet.


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Stormin Mormon wrote:

Would you quote to me from the original poster's question? What did he
write
that implies snake or plunger are zero applicability?


Read the post below of the how to use the acid and then tell me how
exactly you would utilize a plunger or snake to clear the internal flush
water passages in the toilet.

From hallerb


"muriatic acid placed carefully will clean out the interior passages of
the toilet 20 minutes and 10 bucks if you need saftety glasses.

safe effective fast and cheap. works amazingly well as another poster
reported here, I am the one who told him about it

when you flush the toilet actually creates a wave that moves the waste
solids into the large bottom drain & trap.

but you must have enough flow to start the wave, over time sediment
builds up in the interior water passages bowl rim ald slows the flow of
fresh water. at some point stuff just swirls around....

watch under the bowl rim, often gunk built up clogging the exit holes.

you can use a coathanger end to open the holes some but the sediment
still fills the bowl rim and cant be reached.

Directions:

put on safety glasses, plunge drain bowl water, sponge is good idea
so bowl is completely empty tank water can remain as is.

put funnel in dip tube top pour a cup or two of muratic acid in funnel. and
some in bowl no splashing, and have window open and take deep breath
first, then leave room shut door wait at least 15 minutes.

then return and flush about 15 times to dilute all remaing acid. you
will see brown goo, thats the melted sediment.

this really works, and can be repeated if need be."

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My wife's toilet is a bit sluggish requiring the occasional use of a
plunger.


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Yes, it is a water-saver model. Color is ivory. Most of the time it
is OK but with a "heavy load" it blocks up partially. Thanks for the
closet auger suggestion. Are any of the Drano like products worth
trying?


A repost that may be your problem :

I had a toilet a few years ago that had similar problems.

In the end it turned out that my teen age daughter dropped a stick
of deodorant into the toilet. Instead of doing the awful thing of
reaching into the toilet bowl she decided to just flush the problem
away. The stick made the turn around the first part of the S curve but
couldn't go any further. It was stuck in the middle of the S curve. It
was not visible and a toilet auger would just bypass it. I tied a
three prong fish hook to a sturdy string and flushed it. It would
catch something but couldn't pull it out.

I finally took the toilet outside and maneuvered a 1/4 inch rope
through the S curve and tied the rope to an old fashioned mop head. I
attempted to pull the mop head backwards through the S curve and
with it the obstruction but this didn't work either.

I still had no idea what the obstruction was. My daughter never
admitted to having any knowledge of the missing stick of deodorant.

After a few months of putting up with a toilet that would clog easily
I took matters into my own hand. HAMMER! DEODORANT! ANGRY!

After I calmed down I went to Home Depot to get a new toilet. It
was only then that I discovered that the size (3.5 gallon) and the
color (Harvest Gold) was not available. I settled for a 1.6 gallon
white Kohler.

A few years went by with my mis-matched toilet and then my neighbor
had a garage sale. In the sale he had his old 3.5 gallon Harvest Gold
toilet left over from his updated bathroom with a "free" sign on it.
Bingo. I'm back to being matched again with my 70's style bathroom.

P.S. I do not have a avocado refrigerator
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