I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.

The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll
but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good
results.

Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.

Is there much of a difference?

On Jul 31, 9:15*am, "Tube Audio" wrote:
I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.

The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. *He says he can roll
but it will take alot longer. *He says that the spray / backroll yields good
results.

Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.

Is there much of a difference?

Spray is quicker and easier just be sure of no wind and he has
liability ins, with a 2 mph wind I once got paint on a car 50 ft away.
He who sprays makes alot of money that day! Both ways are fine, things
have to be covered

In article ,
"Tube Audio" wrote:

I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.

The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll
but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good
results.

Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.

Is there much of a difference?

What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query
after what we just went through? You're a brave man, or maybe foolish.

Smitty Two wrote:
....
What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query ...

Yeah, I been wonder wots up w/ the recent spate of stucco, too...

Don't dare ask what he's intending to put on this stucco abode or do we?



--

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...

"Tube Audio" wrote in message
...
I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.

The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can
roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll
yields good results.

Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.

Is there much of a difference?

Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty
years.

Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into
all the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. Some say you don't
have to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to
backroll obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra
time. Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible
on the dried painted surface. There is no comparison between spraying and
rolling, except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong
with that? No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the
crevices with a roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of
paint each time, and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal
spin of the roller. Do the spray. If you really want to go better from
there, check out the elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier
sprayer. These will flex and not show the small cracks associated with
stucco aging.

Just MHO, what do I know?

Steve

Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.

Very simple.

"Tube Audio" wrote in message
...
I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.

The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can
roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll
yields good results.

Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.

Is there much of a difference?

Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty years.

Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into all
the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. Some say you don't have
to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to backroll
obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra time.
Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible on the
dried painted surface. There is no comparison between spraying and rolling,
except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong with that?
No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the crevices with a
roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of paint each time,
and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal spin of the roller.
Do the spray. If you really want to go better from there, check out the
elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier sprayer. These will flex
and not show the small cracks associated with stucco aging.

Just MHO, what do I know?

Steve

"dpb" wrote in message ...
Smitty Two wrote:
...
What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query ...

Yeah, I been wonder wots up w/ the recent spate of stucco, too...

Don't dare ask what he's intending to put on this stucco abode or do we?



--


What you mean "WE", white man?

On Jul 31, 2:33*pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message

...







"Tube Audio" wrote in message
. ..
I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's..

The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. *He says he can
roll but it will take alot longer. *He says that the spray / backroll
yields good results.

Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.

Is there much of a difference?

Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty
years.

Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into
all the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. *Some say you don't
have to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to
backroll obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra
time. Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible
on the dried painted surface. *There is no comparison between spraying and
rolling, except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong
with that? No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the
crevices with a roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of
paint each time, and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal
spin of the roller. Do the spray. *If you really want to go better from
there, check out the elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier
sprayer. *These will flex and not show the small cracks associated with
stucco aging.

Just MHO, what do I know?

Steve

Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.

Very simple.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

do not paint stucco. PERIOD. if you ever do ( with eg. latex exterior
paint) breathing ability of stucco will be impaired /suppressed and
you will het mold/fungus/dry rot in between stucco and the wall

On Jul 31, 2:33*pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:

Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.

Very simple.

What is your definition of "long"?

I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the
original paint still looks fine.

wrote in message
...
On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message

...







"Tube Audio" wrote in message
. ..
I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.

The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it
painted.
One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a
good
tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can
roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll
yields good results.

Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better.

Is there much of a difference?

Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty
years.

Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into
all the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. Some say you don't
have to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to
backroll obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the
extra
time. Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are
visible
on the dried painted surface. There is no comparison between spraying
and
rolling, except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong
with that? No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the
crevices with a roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon
of
paint each time, and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal
spin of the roller. Do the spray. If you really want to go better from
there, check out the elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier
sprayer. These will flex and not show the small cracks associated with
stucco aging.

Just MHO, what do I know?

Steve

Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.

Very simple.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

do not paint stucco. PERIOD. if you ever do ( with eg. latex exterior
paint) breathing ability of stucco will be impaired /suppressed and
you will het mold/fungus/dry rot in between stucco and the wall

================================================== ==

Preaching to the choir. To be honest. I never really knew why. All I
remember is the stucco houses that had been paint usually didn't hold up
well. After some Usenet kooks started to flame me, I looked into it and now
it makes perfect sense. It's like painting a sponge. Any water that gets in,
and it will, soaks the sponge causing the paint to peel. Also, potentially
causing damage to the sub-wall because the paint won't allow the stucco to
dry out like it's supposed to after a rain. Anybody that was seen a dark
stucco house after a rain would know what I'm talking about. The walls are
soaking wet and have to dry out.

"Ron" wrote in message
...
On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:

Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.

Very simple.

What is your definition of "long"?

I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the
original paint still looks fine.
================================================== =
Hey Ron.

Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I
just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in
Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years.

Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get
riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself.

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html

http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

Be cool!

On Jul 31, 5:32*pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message

...
On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:

Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.

Very simple.

What is your definition of "long"?

I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the
original paint still looks fine.
================================================== =
Hey Ron.

Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I
just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in
Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years.

Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get
riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself.

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...-Stucco_Walls-...

http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

Be cool!

Well, I don't know what to say. All I know is, I have a room that was
added on 12 yrs ago, stuccoed and painted and it still looks fine.

And, the front of my home is also painted stucco and the original
paint (over 20 yrs old) was fine when I repainted my home 2 yrs ago.
(paint on block was peeling)

I'm in Florida so maybe that's why I'm not having any problems.

"Ron" wrote in message
...
On Jul 31, 5:32 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message

...
On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:

Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds
moisture and the paint doesn't last.

Very simple.

What is your definition of "long"?

I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the
original paint still looks fine.
================================================== =
Hey Ron.

Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I
just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in
Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years.

Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get
riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself.

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...-Stucco_Walls-...

http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

Be cool!

Well, I don't know what to say. All I know is, I have a room that was
added on 12 yrs ago, stuccoed and painted and it still looks fine.

And, the front of my home is also painted stucco and the original
paint (over 20 yrs old) was fine when I repainted my home 2 yrs ago.
(paint on block was peeling)

I'm in Florida so maybe that's why I'm not having any problems.

============================================
My biggest concern would be water. The house I'm in now has eaves all he way
around it so the walls stay pretty dry.

Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls
get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea.

Once you've painted stucco you're pretty much stuck with painting. So a
stucco recoat would be out of the question.

If your walls are getting wet, I'd suspect you're going to have problems
eventually with mold and paint peeling. If you have eaves, and the walls
stay *dryer*, probably not as much.

Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.

Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of
bickering.

Don't give up now, Billy Boy...you are on the verge of becoming a HERO!
Continue your crusade...convince the millions of US homeowners that live in
CB houses covered with painted stucco that they screwed up big
time...educate the builders that are churning out this stupidity even as we
speak. (Maybe talk to a lawyer about a class action suit against the
builders. Toss in the building departments that permit this perfidy too).

And when you finish the US, learn Spanish and carry your crusade to Mexico,
Central America and South of America where there are 10s of millions more -
virtually ALL houses - of those painted abominations . By the time you
finish there, China will be rich enough to have started stuccoing and will
have painted THEIR houses and buildings so study Mandarin at night while you
are saving the Hispanic world.

No, don't stop, continue - you have found your life's work. Once you become
an adult.


--

dadiOH
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what
the weather is going to be like tomorrow.

Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it?

I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy.

I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short
enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry
out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in
SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a
day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until
the next year when the yearly rain came.

So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate
the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in
Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.

Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow?

Steve

The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT STUCCO.
If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat.
The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire
someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much
too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer.
It's a no brainier.

As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do."

Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what
the weather is going to be like tomorrow.

Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it?

I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy.

I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short
enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry
out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in
SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a
day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the
next year when the yearly rain came.

So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the
local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las
Vegas, New Mexico.

Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.

Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow?

Steve

In article
,
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote:



Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.

Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity
and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and
talking about civility?

I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes
don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption
takes longer than fifteen minutes.

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what
the weather is going to be like tomorrow.

Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it?

I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy.

I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short
enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER
dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did
see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least
within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the
sun until the next year when the yearly rain came.

So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate
the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in
Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.

Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow?

Steve

The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT
STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't
recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you
can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint
you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and
lasts longer. It's a no brainier.

As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do."

Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences
houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me.

Steve

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article
,
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote:



Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.

Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity
and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and
talking about civility?

I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes
don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption
takes longer than fifteen minutes.

Go back and READ asshole.

He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame
suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get it
asshole?

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking
what the weather is going to be like tomorrow.

Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it?

I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy.

I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short
enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER
dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did
see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least
within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the
sun until the next year when the yearly rain came.

So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate
the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in
Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.

Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow?

Steve

The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT
STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you
can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting
AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If
you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks
better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier.

As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do."

Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences
houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me.

Steve

Take it up with these guys:

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html

http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

Maybe they will listen to your tale of woe.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Paint ur stucco loser.

In article ,
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote:

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article
,
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote:



Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.

Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity
and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and
talking about civility?

I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes
don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption
takes longer than fifteen minutes.

Go back and READ asshole.

He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame
suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get it
asshole?

Oh, I don't have to "go back and read," Billy Bob. I did read. And I do
remember. Everyone who disagrees, doubts, or questions you is a ****ing
asshole idiot. If there's been a flamer in these stucco threads, it's
you, in spades. "Get it?"

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote:

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article
,
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote:



Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil.

Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity
and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and
talking about civility?

I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes
don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption
takes longer than fifteen minutes.

Go back and READ asshole.

He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame
suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get
it
asshole?

Oh, I don't have to "go back and read," Billy Bob. I did read. And I do
remember. Everyone who disagrees, doubts, or questions you is a ****ing
asshole idiot. If there's been a flamer in these stucco threads, it's
you, in spades. "Get it?"

if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-)

Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea.

Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with
adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are
*not* the same thing.

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____________________________

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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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"dadiOH" wrote in message
.. .
Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea.

Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered
with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland
base) are *not* the same thing.

--

you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco house with
a flat roof.

here is a typical one:

http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html

this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq.

Beautiful...

You can bet this house will never be painted.

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote

if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-)


And if you continue to write like an 8th grader, that is the way you will
be perceived.

Steve

peace be with u. I'm tired of bickering and ur just looking for a fight.

try alt.hvac or that kook one. they love em'

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking
what the weather is going to be like tomorrow.

Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it?

I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy.

I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short
enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER
dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did
see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at
least within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED
in the sun until the next year when the yearly rain came.

So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is
investigate the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada
might not work in Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.

Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow?

Steve

The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT
STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you
can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than
repainting AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and
watch. If you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the
recoat looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier.

As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do."

Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and
fences houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out
for me.

Steve

Take it up with these guys:

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html

http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

Maybe they will listen to your tale of woe.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Paint ur stucco loser.

I'm done with you, loser. Into the killfile with you.

Steve

killfiles are for pussies like you.

Billy Pilgrim wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
.. .
Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I
idea.

Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses
plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and
stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing.

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you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco
house with a flat roof.

here is a typical one:

http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html

this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq.

Beautiful...

You can bet this house will never be painted.

I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no.

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Billy Pilgrim wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
.. .
Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I
idea.

Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses
plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and
stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing.

--

you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco
house with a flat roof.

here is a typical one:

http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html

this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq.

Beautiful...

You can bet this house will never be painted.

I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no.

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"dadiOH" wrote in message
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Billy Pilgrim wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
.. .
Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I
idea.

Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses
plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and
stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing.

--

you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco
house with a flat roof.

here is a typical one:

http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html

this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq.

Beautiful...

You can bet this house will never be painted.

I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no.

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Then take it up with these guys.

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.htmlmaybe someone here will argue with you. you certainly have plenty of dittoheads that will agree.i'll go with common sense and past experience.

"dadiOH" wrote in message
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Billy Pilgrim wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
.. .
Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and
the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I
idea.

Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses
plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and
stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing.

--

you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco
house with a flat roof.

here is a typical one:

http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html

this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq.

Beautiful...

You can bet this house will never be painted.

I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no.

--

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I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly.

Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs

anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your
rebuttal to them.

I have nothing more to say.

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote

if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-)


And if you continue to write like an 8th grader, that is the way you will be
perceived.

Steve

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
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"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
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Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking
what the weather is going to be like tomorrow.

Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it?

I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy.

I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short
enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER
dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did
see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least
within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the
sun until the next year when the yearly rain came.

So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate
the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in
Las Vegas, New Mexico.

Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.

Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow?

Steve

The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT
STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you
can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting
AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If
you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat
looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier.

As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do."

Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences
houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me.

Steve

Take it up with these guys:

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html

http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

Maybe they will listen to your tale of woe.

Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Paint ur stucco loser.

I'm done with you, loser. Into the killfile with you.

Steve

Billy Pilgrim wrote:

I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly.

Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs

anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your
rebuttal to them.

OK. I moved them here...

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html

He is citing someone that says it encourages dry rot. There is nothing to
rot on a masonry house.

http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

What about it? The author is explaining lime wash. If someone wants to use
it that is fine with me.

http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

He is a contractor peddling something; namely..."We use an acrylic, water
repellant coating product that is made specifically for cement." IOW,
acrylic "varnish".

If he put color in his "acrylic, water repellant coating product" he would
have a transparent, colored coating. If he put in something opaque too he
would have paint.
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"dadiOH" wrote in message news:EqMkk.8$Pe2.0@fe95...
Billy Pilgrim wrote:

I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly.

Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs

anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your
rebuttal to them.

OK. I moved them here...

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html

He is citing someone that says it encourages dry rot. There is nothing to
rot on a masonry house.


when you reccomend painting, do you ask if the house is a masonary house?


http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf

What about it? The author is explaining lime wash. If someone wants to
use it that is fine with me.


It also expalins the difficulties of working with stucco that has been
painted. Common problem when people want to get the job done right.


http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html

He is a contractor peddling something; namely..."We use an acrylic, water
repellant coating product that is made specifically for cement." IOW,
acrylic "varnish".

If he put color in his "acrylic, water repellant coating product" he would
have a transparent, colored coating. If he put in something opaque too he
would have paint.

You missed this page

http://www.chicagostucco.com/recoat.html

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I have nothing more to say.

Promise?


Only in regards to your rebuttals

BTW: I found these websites in a matter of minutes. There is an
overwhelming amount of information with regards to stucco.

Just think of it this way. Stucco soaks up water. When the stucco gets wet
it becomes very hard for the paint to adhere.

Of course there are all the other reasons but I grow tired of going over and
over them. I'm not being rude it's just the truth.

You really don't seem like that bad of a guy. There were a couple of flamers
that got involved in this and you stepped in it.

Really, if you feel you are right fine. But be aware, there is another side
to the story when you give advice. I lived in NM for 40+ years. I've seen
1000 upon 1000 of stucco houses. I've seen them painted and recoated.
Recoated ALWAYS looks better and is more professional looking.

Sorry. That's just the way it is. Nothing you say is going to change that.

:-)

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
...

The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT
STUCCO.
If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat.
The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can
hire
someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're
much
too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts
longer.
It's a no brainier.


I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem with
paint adhesion and zero problems with mold.

The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling so it
requires a lot of prep work.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem with
paint adhesion and zero problems with mold.

The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling so
it
requires a lot of prep work.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube,
then
they come up with this striped stuff.



I had to sleep on this one. :-)

I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also thinking it
will stick pretty good provided it stays dry.

I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to cement
it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to stretch the truth
a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to rough stucco texture
provided it stays dry.

Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it okay to
stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate.

Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't*

1st) How do I know it will not get wet?

2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of the
question.

3rd) Why would you need to recoat?

Sub 1. Recoating is more attractive if done right,

Sub 2. Much better at repairing cracks and missing stucco

Sub 3. Better at restricting mold. (Which may/may-not not be seen)

Sub 4. All the other reasons recoating is better.

Thanks for not flaming me. I have BP issues I'm constantly monitoring. :-),
A flamer's dream!

"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message
...

I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem
with
paint adhesion and zero problems with mold.

The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling
so
it
requires a lot of prep work.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube,
then
they come up with this striped stuff.



I had to sleep on this one. :-)

I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also thinking
it
will stick pretty good provided it stays dry.

I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to
cement
it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to stretch the
truth
a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to rough stucco texture
provided it stays dry.

Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it okay to
stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate.

Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't*

1st) How do I know it will not get wet?

2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of the
question.

3rd) Why would you need to recoat?

Sub 1. Recoating is more attractive if done right,

Sub 2. Much better at repairing cracks and missing stucco

Sub 3. Better at restricting mold. (Which may/may-not not be seen)

Sub 4. All the other reasons recoating is better.

Thanks for not flaming me. I have BP issues I'm constantly monitoring.
:-),
A flamer's dream!


My walls get wet both when it rains and when the sprinklers hit. I suspect
the problems you are worried about stem from the imitation stucco that was
the results of the lawsuits a while back. Stucco has been used as an
exterior coating for a long time with great results.

The real stucco I am referring to is put on in three coats and ends up about
7/8" thick. The fake stucco is sprayed on and is about 1/8" thick.

Crack repair in real stucco can be done if needed, but if the house is built
on a good foundation, there is not much reason for it to crack in the first
place.


--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

Billy Pilgrim wrote:

I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also
thinking it will stick pretty good provided it stays dry.

It sticks even if it doesn't stay dry.
______________

I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to
cement it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to
stretch the truth a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to
rough stucco texture provided it stays dry.

1. Get in a car

2. Drive until you find a concrete highway

3. Look at the road

See those lines along the sides and/or middle? That's paint. I have no
idea if it is water or oil base paint but either would work. And roads get
wet.
____________________

Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it
okay to stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate.

Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't*

1st) How do I know it will not get wet?

With all your concern about "wet" and you living in NM, I'm still wondering
if you are actually talking about adobe rather than stucco. Adobe is mud.
Mud with sand and an organic material like straw. Mud does not do well with
lots of rain. Stucco has a Portland cement base. Stucco laughs at rain.
_________________

2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of
the question.

Good thing because I, for one, would not want to do so. Either the existing
stucco would have to be removed - a horrendous job - or cleaned *really*
well. In the latter case, you'd wind up with walls another 3/4" or so
thicker. Might be OK, might not. Not if it covers up stuff like hose bibs.

I keep thinking you may be talking about cementacious paint when you talk
about recoating. It dries hard like stucco but is not stucco - its paint
with a cement binder.

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"dadiOH" wrote in message
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Billy Pilgrim wrote:

I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also
thinking it will stick pretty good provided it stays dry.

It sticks even if it doesn't stay dry.
______________

I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to
cement it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to
stretch the truth a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to
rough stucco texture provided it stays dry.

1. Get in a car

2. Drive until you find a concrete highway

3. Look at the road

See those lines along the sides and/or middle? That's paint. I have no
idea if it is water or oil base paint but either would work. And roads
get wet.
____________________

Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it
okay to stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate.

Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't*

1st) How do I know it will not get wet?

With all your concern about "wet" and you living in NM, I'm still
wondering if you are actually talking about adobe rather than stucco.
Adobe is mud. Mud with sand and an organic material like straw. Mud does
not do well with lots of rain. Stucco has a Portland cement base. Stucco
laughs at rain.
_________________

2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of
the question.

Good thing because I, for one, would not want to do so. Either the
existing stucco would have to be removed - a horrendous job - or cleaned
*really* well. In the latter case, you'd wind up with walls another 3/4"
or so thicker. Might be OK, might not. Not if it covers up stuff like
hose bibs.

I keep thinking you may be talking about cementacious paint when you talk
about recoating. It dries hard like stucco but is not stucco - its paint
with a cement binder.

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yeah, i *don't* buy into the paint not adhering to stucco. I think that's
pushing it. but in houses with no eaves you really don't want to paint
because the parapet is completely exposed to the elements.

i don't think the city uses latex on the roads

make sure your wall stays dry.

replying to Billy Pilgrim, mighty whitey wrote:
Your full of crap stucco houses are painted all the time In las vegas and Ive
never heard of the ill effects your spouting.

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