I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:
I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

On Jun 13, 3:21 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

that makes sense, but I wish they did - we had a car stolen after
leaving the door up

homi wrote:

On Jun 13, 3:21 pm, wrote:

On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:


I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.


that makes sense, but I wish they did - we had a car stolen after
leaving the door up



So have a decent security alarm company install a photoelectric or IR
detector across the door opening which activates after that "preset
time" you mentioned and will trigger a "burglar alarm" if a person (or
car) passes through it.

Not eggsacklt rocket surgery for a decent alarm guy to figure out how to
make that up.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:
I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I'd buy one.

Every morning on the way out, I

1. Watch the door close all the way.
2. Say to myself three times out loud "I closed the garage door".
3. Turn around and look as I drive off.
4. Still wonder if I forgot to close it.

This is all on top of the normal checklist (wallet - phone - keys -
sunglasses - parking pass - badge - train ticket - zipper up - front
door locked - back door locked - basement door locked - windows closed
- space heater unplugged - furnace off/set - lights off). No wonder
I'm late for work all the time.

There's nothing in the house worth stealing but the garage is full of
tools and motorcycles. Too much temptation. It would be great if,
after 30 minutes of no motion in the garage, the door would close on
it's own.


-rev

"The Reverend Natural Light" wrote in message
oups.com...

It would be great if,
after 30 minutes of no motion in the garage, the door would close on
it's own.

As already pointed out, that's a law suit waiting to happen.

On Jun 13, 6:36 pm, "Charles" wrote:
It would be great if,
after 30 minutes of no motion in the garage, the door would close on
it's own.

As already pointed out, that's a law suit waiting to happen.

Thanks for the advice.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:45:11 -0700, homi wrote:

On Jun 13, 3:21 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

that makes sense, but I wish they did - we had a car stolen after
leaving the door up

They do have sensors that light up when the doors up. Only works if you
go into the house and leave it up while at home, not if you leave it up
after going to work.

Personally I've never had an issue because I never leave my door up ever.
But thats mainly due to how my house is situated.

The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I'd buy one.

Every morning on the way out, I

1. Watch the door close all the way.


My opener has been known to almost completely close, then reverse itself. One
day I worked an entire 12 hour shift only to find the door wide open when I got
home. My garage is attached to the house and is my normal method of entrance so
essentially the front door to the house was wide open all day long. Luckily,
nobody decided to take advantage of it or I'd be in a world of hurt.

Now I back out, hit the remote, and wait until the door has closed completely...
and about 15 seconds more just to be sure. I don't move until I know it's
closed all the way... ever.

I don't know why a manufacturer would have to worry particularly about injuring
somebody with an unattended closing, particularly if the IR beams remain active.
It seems like the worst that could happen would be that the door wouldn't close
if something was in its way. It already does that.

I have read about devices that alert you within the house if the door stays open
more than X number of minutes. Maybe that'd be an option.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

homi wrote:
I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I can't imagine anyone making such a thing. Just think of what would
happen the first time a small child got killed, and even with all the
current safety devices, it would happen.

I suggest that you work on another idea. You could have a light that
would show inside whenever the door was up, or an audio alarm that would go
off after a pre-determined time. It could be in the garage or in the house.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:
I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly. Most
openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if contacting
an obstruction.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

In article . com, homi wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:21 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

that makes sense, but I wish they did - we had a car stolen after
leaving the door up

Most folks would learn from that to close the door.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article .com, The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:
I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I'd buy one.

Every morning on the way out, I

1. Watch the door close all the way.
2. Say to myself three times out loud "I closed the garage door".
3. Turn around and look as I drive off.
4. Still wonder if I forgot to close it.

This is all on top of the normal checklist (wallet - phone - keys -
sunglasses - parking pass - badge - train ticket - zipper up - front
door locked - back door locked - basement door locked - windows closed
- space heater unplugged - furnace off/set - lights off). No wonder
I'm late for work all the time.

That's probably treatable.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly. Most
openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if contacting
an obstruction.

And it is malfunctions? Squashes the neighbor's cat? All you have to do is
watch the TV ads the lawyers put on and the idea will never fly by a
manufacturer.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly. Most
openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if contacting
an obstruction.

And it is malfunctions? Squashes the neighbor's cat? All you have to do is
watch the TV ads the lawyers put on and the idea will never fly by a
manufacturer.

Don't see it's really any different than the possibility of any opener
malfunction...

--

"dpb" wrote in message ...
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly. Most
openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if
contacting an obstruction.

And it is malfunctions? Squashes the neighbor's cat? All you have to do
is watch the TV ads the lawyers put on and the idea will never fly by a
manufacturer.

Don't see it's really any different than the possibility of any opener
malfunction...

True, but if you are there to push the button to start the close cycle, you
can kick the cat our of the way. Having it come down by itself opens new
worlds of liability.

Industrial applications lo longer have just a button to push to start the
cycle, you must hold it in until the door closes.

Legal issues aside (should it malfunction), I made mine out of X10 parts.
USe a universal module to act as a switch and then get a controller to issue
commands when you want the door closed. IF desired a powerflash module can
be used to signal the controller the door is open and than have the
controller go into a X minute timer and than send a close door command

Go to www.smarthome.com for x10 info. THere are other sites with cheaper
parts
http://www.smarthome.com/2010.html
http://www.smarthome.com/4060.html
http://www.smarthome.com/1140.html

The expensive one: http://www.smarthome.com/73101.html

There are also X10 sites that will tell you exactly how to do it also.
Now the disclaimer: IT aint cheap, and its not always reliable (there are
ways around that like sending each command twice)


"homi" wrote in message
oups.com...

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly. Most
openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if
contacting an obstruction.
And it is malfunctions? Squashes the neighbor's cat? All you have to do
is watch the TV ads the lawyers put on and the idea will never fly by a
manufacturer.
Don't see it's really any different than the possibility of any opener
malfunction...

True, but if you are there to push the button to start the close cycle, you
can kick the cat our of the way. Having it come down by itself opens new
worlds of liability.

What if it just spuriously opens/close? Or someone just down the street
changes their controller and now it's working another one as well? All
can/do happen...one can make up any scenario one wants.

--

In article .com,
homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

why do you want this, and how long of a delay to you envision?

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly.
Most openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if
contacting an obstruction.

And it is malfunctions? Squashes the neighbor's cat?

Hmmmmm..... that sounds awfully close to being a positive thing :-)
--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

"dpb" wrote in message ...


What if it just spuriously opens/close? Or someone just down the street
changes their controller and now it's working another one as well? All
can/do happen...one can make up any scenario one wants.

--

Sure, make up the scenarios. but the penalty by a jury is going to be
harsher when it is intentionally induced. Sleazy lawyers just love that
stuff.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly.
Most openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if
contacting an obstruction.

And it is malfunctions? Squashes the neighbor's cat? All you have
to do is watch the TV ads the lawyers put on and the idea will never
fly by a manufacturer.

Can't squash a cat. Cats are smart enough to get out of the way, especially
with all the racket the door makes.

Joseph Meehan wrote:

I suggest that you work on another idea. You could have a light
that would show inside whenever the door was up, or an audio alarm
that would go off after a pre-determined time. It could be in the
garage or in the house.

Which would not work in the case where you LEFT home.

On Jun 14, 6:35 am, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
"dpb" wrote in ...

What if it just spuriously opens/close? Or someone just down the street
changes their controller and now it's working another one as well? All
can/do happen...one can make up any scenario one wants.

--

Sure, make up the scenarios. but the penalty by a jury is going to be
harsher when it is intentionally induced. Sleazy lawyers just love that
stuff.


Yes, I agree. Two scenarios:

1 - A kid is killed because the controller closed spuriously. First,
someone would have to prove the controller closed spuriously, as
opposed to the kid or someone else activating it. Then, they'd
probably have to show that it was caused by a specific design flaw
that the manufacturer knew or should have known about as opposed to
some random component failure that couldn't be anticipated.

2 - Same thing, but activated by someone's controller down the
street. Extremely unlikely with today's controllers that use pseudo-
random codes. And if it happened to occur, what's the chance you
could establish that's how it happened, exactly who's controller did
it, etc?

3 - Door closes after 2 hr delay as provided for by the maunfacturer
and kills kid. Or kid just sticks his finger in between door sections
and gets it crushed, for which there is no effective safety emergency
stop. In this case, you have a case where the manufacturer designed
it to allow it to close unattended.

Which case do you think is easier to prove/win?

wrote:

On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?


I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

Hi,
Safety aside, I'd rather have an indicator inside house to monitor the
door whether it's open or closed. Then I can close or open as I wish.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:49:23 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 14, 6:35 am, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
"dpb" wrote in ...

What if it just spuriously opens/close? Or someone just down the street
changes their controller and now it's working another one as well? All
can/do happen...one can make up any scenario one wants.

--

Sure, make up the scenarios. but the penalty by a jury is going to be
harsher when it is intentionally induced. Sleazy lawyers just love that
stuff.


Yes, I agree. Two scenarios:

1 - A kid is killed because the controller closed spuriously. First,
someone would have to prove the controller closed spuriously, as
opposed to the kid or someone else activating it. Then, they'd
probably have to show that it was caused by a specific design flaw
that the manufacturer knew or should have known about as opposed to
some random component failure that couldn't be anticipated.

2 - Same thing, but activated by someone's controller down the
street. Extremely unlikely with today's controllers that use pseudo-
random codes. And if it happened to occur, what's the chance you
could establish that's how it happened, exactly who's controller did
it, etc?

3 - Door closes after 2 hr delay as provided for by the maunfacturer
and kills kid. Or kid just sticks his finger in between door sections
and gets it crushed, for which there is no effective safety emergency
stop. In this case, you have a case where the manufacturer designed
it to allow it to close unattended.

Which case do you think is easier to prove/win?

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:11:13 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote:

The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I'd buy one.

Every morning on the way out, I

1. Watch the door close all the way.


My opener has been known to almost completely close, then reverse itself. One
day I worked an entire 12 hour shift only to find the door wide open when I got
home. My garage is attached to the house and is my normal method of entrance so
essentially the front door to the house was wide open all day long. Luckily,
nobody decided to take advantage of it or I'd be in a world of hurt.

Now I back out, hit the remote, and wait until the door has closed completely...
and about 15 seconds more just to be sure. I don't move until I know it's
closed all the way... ever.

I don't know why a manufacturer would have to worry particularly about injuring
somebody with an unattended closing, particularly if the IR beams remain active.
It seems like the worst that could happen would be that the door wouldn't close
if something was in its way. It already does that.

YEah, and if the door doesn't close when the label says it will,
that's ANOTHER liability problem. All of which the manufacturers
would be prepared to deal with or just tolerate, if they thought
enough people would pay enough more to make it worthwhile.

Which they don't, or there's be a system.

(If you want your door to close in order to keep
people for stealing your stuff, why are are you
willing to leave before it does so? and how is the
door going to know the difference between when you WANT
the thing up, and when you just forgot to shut it?)

In article .com,
The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
I'd buy one.

Every morning on the way out, I

1. Watch the door close all the way.
2. Say to myself three times out loud "I closed the garage door".
3. Turn around and look as I drive off.
4. Still wonder if I forgot to close it.

Your money would probably be better spent on treatment for
obsessive-compulsive disorder! :-)

--
--Tim Smith

The timers are readily available for electric openers and are typically used
on apartment house door openers. They consist of a timer box with two
lights, one green which when lit indicates it's safe to drive through the
door opening and one red light when lit indicates not to drive through
because the door is about to close. The timer can be set to start the
close cycle after a predetermined amout of time ususually about two - five
minutes.

Rich
http://www.garagedoorsupply.com

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:17:04 -0700, homi wrote:


I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?


Bad idea. The last thing I want is the garage door coming down on me.
Gosh--how difficult is it to press a button?

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:45:11 -0700, homi wrote:

On Jun 13, 3:21 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

that makes sense, but I wish they did - we had a car stolen after
leaving the door up


A neighbor was robbed last year. They conveniently left the back door
open where the thief walked off with a laptop computer, prescription
pain killers, and some cash--all while the occupants slept.

HeyBub wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:

I suggest that you work on another idea. You could have a light
that would show inside whenever the door was up, or an audio alarm
that would go off after a pre-determined time. It could be in the
garage or in the house.

Which would not work in the case where you LEFT home.

Gee, I would think you could see it open as you left the house. :-)

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

On 13 Jun, 18:07, The Reverend Natural Light
wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

-- I'd buy one.
--
-- Every morning on the way out, I
--
-- 1. Watch the door close all the way.
-- 2. Say to myself three times out loud "I closed the garage door".
-- 3. Turn around and look as I drive off.
-- 4. Still wonder if I forgot to close it.

If you go through steps 1 - 3 and *still* wonder if you forgot to
close it, how would a time-controlled closing device relieve your
anxiety?

Wouldn't you just spend your day wondering if the device worked? If
you don't trust your own eyes, why do you think you would trust an
electro-mechanical device that operates outside of your field of
vision?

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:26:47 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Dave Bugg" wrote in message
I don't see that as an issue if the opener is adjusted correctly.
Most openers are designed to immediately halt closing and reverse if
contacting an obstruction.

And it is malfunctions? Squashes the neighbor's cat? All you have
to do is watch the TV ads the lawyers put on and the idea will never
fly by a manufacturer.

Can't squash a cat. Cats are smart enough to get out of the way, especially
with all the racket the door makes.

They should make the doors quieter. Might get a few more cats.

On Jun 13, 2:45 pm, homi wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:21 pm, wrote:

On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

that makes sense, but I wish they did - we had a car stolen after
leaving the door up

So you can't remember to close the door and want some company to build
a product to help your failing memory? How bout a machine that wipes
your ass? Or an automated refrigerator door closer..... WTF?

homi wrote:

On Jun 13, 3:21 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:

I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

that makes sense, but I wish they did - we had a car stolen after
leaving the door up

Time to move.

I've been using this for a year now with no problems....
http://www.smarthome.com/73106.html

It simply replaces the main controlling unit inside the garage and has a
receiver which mounts on the door to determine if it's open or close. It
does not take away from any safety features of the opener. It still allows
safety functions such as objects in the door area when closing.

The unit can be set to close in 2, 5, 10 and 20 minutes. With a simple touch
of the main unit, you can deactivate it if you want to keep the door open
while working inside the garage. AND...even if you forget to close the
garage after that, it will still close in about 2 hours. You can also
permanently deactivate with a touch of the button. But I've never used that
feature yet.

With the wife forgetting to close the garage door when she leaves or comes
home, I had to find something to auto close and this has been a blessing
since I have many of my tools and motorcycles inside.

For $40, it was the best investment I made for my piece of mind.

wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:17 pm, homi wrote:
I'm trying to find a garage door opener that automatically closes
after a preset time.

the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I've never seen one and seriously doubt that any opener manufacturer
would offer such a thing because of the obvious liability issues with
unattended closing.

I do some volunteering in a commercial
building which has such a door
system. It actually turns on an exhaust
fan for a few seconds when the
door moves. I really don't know what a
few seconds would do for
removing CO. But, if the door is left
open, after about a minute, it
closes. It does have an infrared
detector about 2 feet from the floor
which will stop the door from closing
and actually reverse it. BTW,
the funny thing about the whole design
is that if you don't want it to
close, you simply stop it before it
reaches top. It will then stay open
forever. We use it that way all the
time while loading and unloading.
Pretty stupid design if you ask me.

"SBH" wrote in message
news:d7GdnSTI_PRstOjbnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@wideopenwest .com...
I've been using this for a year now with no problems....
http://www.smarthome.com/73106.html

It simply replaces the main controlling unit inside the garage and has a
receiver which mounts on the door to determine if it's open or close. It
does not take away from any safety features of the opener. It still allows
safety functions such as objects in the door area when closing.

The unit can be set to close in 2, 5, 10 and 20 minutes. With a simple
touch of the main unit, you can deactivate it if you want to keep the door
open while working inside the garage. AND...even if you forget to close
the garage after that, it will still close in about 2 hours. You can also
permanently deactivate with a touch of the button. But I've never used
that feature yet.

With the wife forgetting to close the garage door when she leaves or comes
home, I had to find something to auto close and this has been a blessing
since I have many of my tools and motorcycles inside.

For $40, it was the best investment I made for my piece of mind.

Taking away her opener and making her park outside woulda been cheaper....
:^)


aem sends....

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
...
The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
the only thing I'm finding is an aftermarket 'butler' that works
wirelessly, which is fine, but do any openers have this built in?

I'd buy one.

Every morning on the way out, I

1. Watch the door close all the way.


My opener has been known to almost completely close, then reverse itself.
One day I worked an entire 12 hour shift only to find the door wide open
when I got home. My garage is attached to the house and is my normal
method of entrance so essentially the front door to the house was wide
open all day long. Luckily, nobody decided to take advantage of it or I'd
be in a world of hurt.

Now I back out, hit the remote, and wait until the door has closed
completely... and about 15 seconds more just to be sure. I don't move
until I know it's closed all the way... ever.

Yeah, mine has been known to do that too. Find it open in the morning, or
when returning home from work. Now I wait ten seconds whenever I close it,
to make sure it stays closed.

aem sends...